Nursing Homes Go High-Tech 152
mattlary writes "Here's an interesting article about a tracking system being installed in a retirement community. The system can track where residents are anywhere in the campus, and also uses cameras to keep an eye on residents. The community also contains numerous sensors so staff can track residents' activity."
We're all USA PATRIOTS here. (Score:4, Insightful)
Conspiracy theories r us (Score:1)
Re:Conspiracy theories r us (Score:3, Funny)
Re:We're all USA PATRIOTS here. (Score:2)
Re:We're all USA PATRIOTS here. (Score:2)
What do you think cellphones are for?
Yesterday! (Score:2)
Can't wait until I get old... (Score:5, Funny)
I hope when I'm that old I'll still keep bizarre hours. It'll keep the staff on their toes.
Don't worry you will (Score:2)
And of course there is the always present thought that each morning you could be one of the ones who doesn't wake up at all. Remember retirement homes are places you check into. Kinda like a life sentence in prison with no chance of parol.
Re:Can't wait until I get old... (Score:2)
In addition this could help monitor everyones bowel movements (!)
In related news... (Score:1)
Re:friendly advice (Score:2)
Grandma loves the tag (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Grandma loves the tag (Score:3, Funny)
Mommy! Grandma is at the strip joint again!
Re:Grandma loves the tag (Score:2)
Re:Grandma loves the tag (Score:2)
Absolutely.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Just gives more reasons for our grandparents to fight against being shoved into nursing homes.
Re:Absolutely.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Other than those people, nobody indeed.
You're exactly right.
Re:Absolutely.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Absolutely.... (Score:1)
Re:Absolutely.... (Score:2)
If I should suffer one of the scenarios you list, my wife would probably notice, friends are likely to stop by, the appointment I missed will arouse suspicion, or work will send someone to find out where I am.
It's optional, anyway. And a lot of eld
Re:Absolutely.... (Score:1)
Re:Absolutely.... (Score:2)
Alzheimers really sucks. (Score:3, Informative)
About 20 years ago... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyway, getting back to the beacon, it was a very simple radio transmitter, a button to turn it on, and a simple accelerometer similar to those used
Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:5, Informative)
However there are those like the Alzheimer's patients who are given some element of freedom, and when they wander off don't remember where they came from or don't know they are lost and keep wandering. Ever try to find someone who doesn't know where they are going or that they are lost? It is more difficult than you might think.
Re:Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:2)
We have a family member with Alzheimers - it's not a funny topic. But I thought it was interesting to dwell on that sentence above; is someone lost if they don't know they are lost? Just because you can't find me, does that make me lost?
There's a local man that's been missing for 45 days who wandered off. He can't take care of himself, and so he's probably doomed, or gone already.
I am a privacy nut, but it's ironic
Re:Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:1)
It's kind of an ongoing thing. That's why people get sent to nursing homes. Some elderly people don't have all of their mental faculties anymore. Some of the elderly need to be cared for, so they don't hurt themselves and so they are not hurt by others.
It was about 5 or 6 years ago, but I remember a case in my area (Western PA) where some guy picked up an elderly woman who had Alzheimer's disease and convinced her that he was her deceased husband
Re:Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:1)
Sadly it comes down to money (Score:2)
Of course if people didn't elect their leaders based on whom promises to give the biggest tax cut we
Re:Sadly it comes down to money (Score:2)
(Another) Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:2)
Grandpa: "You already put me in a home!"
Homer: "Then we'll put you in the crooked home we saw on 60 Minutes."
Grandpa: "I'll be good."
Re:Outbreak of elderly (Score:2)
I just hope... (Score:5, Funny)
what TFA didnt mention (Score:5, Insightful)
It did, however, mention that it records the exact time employees enter and leave the facility, so that they only get paid for the time they actually work. The infrastructure and underlying components seem to be there, but it seems to me like they are more interested in protecting their money than their residents.
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:3, Funny)
We already have useful systems for handling this [radiofence.com].
Personally, I want behavioural adjustment collars for my clients to wear...
I'm sure my tongue is somewhere near my cheek.
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:3, Funny)
end-user: My Windows OS locked -- [bzzzzzt]
me: what was that?
end-user: My computer is [bzzzzzzzzt]
me: i'm sorry, what?
end-user: just called to say what a great job you are doing
Oh, yeah. I'd pay thousands for that system....
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
About 15 years ago, my family was involved in the search of my mother's 90yo grandma. Great grandma preferred to live at home despite her illness. She left home at midnight after everyone went to bed... My uncle notified the relatives to launch for a search. It was a puzzle to us. We knew she must be around doing something that she t
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
Of course, 15 years ago, GPS was still classified. Nowadays, though, hell it seems like a no-brainer to me.
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
Most Alzheimers units are lockdown units, and those that aren't have a wrist band(probably similar in size to what they would have to wear for this thing) that sets off an alarm when the resident tries to leave.
"It did, however, mention that it records the exact time employees enter and leave the facility,
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
Sweet, thanks for the info. I have never been employed in a home, nor had a loved one in a home, so I didn't know.
The employees being watched on camera is universal. My wife used to work at K-Mart, and the loss-control guys always made it clear that the cameras in the store were mostly there to
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:3, Interesting)
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Why are they doing this in a nursing home anyway? I would have thought that something like the prison system would be a better place to implement such technology...maybe even in high schools (which are basically just prisons where people are punished for being born anyway).
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
No, like notify someone if a person who no longer has full control of his or her mental faculties is in real danger of being harmed.
Ideally, they should be taken offsite regularly to explore the mysterious and forgotten outside. I know that in practice, it almost never happens. I do not, however, think that the solution is to allow people to wonder the streets
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
Or want their freedom back. Some old people really don't want to live any longer, and are sane enough to make that decision, whether the powers that be agree with them or not. My grandmother made dozens of suicide attempts while at her nursing home. She was mostly paralyzed, mute, and in constant agony for about 7 years. They gradually took steps to prevent future suicide atte
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
This http://www.geindustrial.com/cwc/products/ge-inter
is by GE, and the website of the home itself doesn't mention the new deployment.
Re:what TFA didnt mention (Score:2)
Refrigerator Door (Score:3, Interesting)
The alert system also sounds very cool. Especially its ability to work in the forested area. Not a bad facility.
Glad to see they have creative people working there, that understand human behavior. They must be very well-versed in user interfaces.
Re:Refrigerator Door (Score:1)
System (Score:1)
The way it really works (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The way it really works (Score:4, Insightful)
- get up
- reach the phone to call 911
- move
- speak
The point is, it really might be an emergency and you bring up a good point. People are human, that's just the way it is. Humans are limited resources (they can only do one thing at once). Let's also say that the emergency has happened at a time when, oh say the power has gone out, the a/c is broken, a foul odor is afoot, etc. and everyone is hitting the emergency button to get a quick response when they ask WTF is happening.
Nothing is perfect. But at the same time, this system is better than nothing. I used to be great friends with a lady who was 80-something and had a life-alert necklace. She really did fall and break her hip and arm, and would have had no hope of reaching the phone. That alert necklace saved her bacon on that occasion. This system, in theory, is making great progress on that front. Now, we just have to balance the (valid) privacy concerns with the functionality of the system.
Quite Useful. (Score:1)
Having this kind of a system allows the staff to keep tabs on the residents, thereby (theoretically)
giving them the ability to quickly respond in case of problems.
Think about your grandmother or other old person you know- if/when they go in, you want them to be monitored- its not that far off from a hosipital, after all.
my 2 decicreds here...
Re:Quite Useful. (Score:1)
Moll.
Re:Quite Useful. (Score:1)
All is good and well (Score:4, Insightful)
Until the power goes out, and the on hand staff must search the entire complex for all the seniors because they haven't prepared for the possibility. The system is great, however the staff needs to be trained to handle a power less situation and to locate the residents quickly.
One of the disadvantages with using a new system like the one described is becoming dependent on it.
Re:All is good and well (Score:1)
Beta testing. (Score:1)
Bowels Open ??? (Score:1, Funny)
One thing about nurses is that they often keep detailed record of things. For example all nursing notes tend to keep a recorded of how many times a persons bowels have opened during the nurse's shift. eg.
BNO = bowels not opened
BO x 2 = bowels opened twice
As these places become more high tech and have nursing notes placed in databases amazing facts of information about people will be able to be gleamed.
Terrorists have bowels too (Score:2)
> make brilliant use of such information!!!
For instance they could be alerted whenever someone on an airplane just opened his bowel at an unscheduled time. Fear does that to a man...
A step too far? (Score:1)
Cares.. (Score:3, Informative)
I remember maybe 10 years ago a bed manufacturer who used a grid of pressure sensors, and a neural network to sense people presence, position and activity.
The idea was simple and seemed good, but I've never see-it in the real world.
Anyway, technological aids are only that, aids, never a people replacement.
Tech? (Score:1)
Re:Tech? (Score:2)
Re:Tech? (Score:2)
b) How is altitude useful if you don't know how high the ground is at that particular point?
I work with elderly patients on a daily basis.... (Score:3, Interesting)
Now the participants I deal with are all cognitively aware for the most part, but even the sharp ones will get lost walking up and down a short corridor. Over the age of 80 there is a steep decline, though you'd be amazed at how active people are late into their 70s!
Only a few of the men I've talked to would take up something like this device willingly, but most if not all would love their spouses to have it. And I'm sure the wives feel similarly (I only get to see the men).
Would I want such a device? Probably not, but then again I am intimately familiar with what a hip fracture does to someone, and how scary even mild dementia can be.
-Ian
Re:I work with elderly patients on a daily basis.. (Score:2)
The main point for me is never forget that 'the elderly' are not 'them' but 'us'.
and the watch for beating begins (Score:1)
Track the staff (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Track the staff (Score:3, Insightful)
Higher-priced independent living places usually do better at it, but they're essentially doing a hotel's job (and often run by hotel chains such as Marriott), but lower-end places and places that need more nursing care are usually a tou
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Game Over!!! (Score:1)
Don'
Maybe lead to actually more freedom? (Score:2, Insightful)
Some people must choose between a nursing home or a live-in nurse, and this could help mitigate the costs. Maybe even more privacy, nobody will need to physically go in and bother them to see if they're ok, all vitals are constantly monitored.(I don't know if they can monitor vitals like tha
So it's no longer Big Brother... (Score:2, Funny)
Nice.... (Score:2, Insightful)
home. 3 squares a day. 24 hour security. cameras or RFID tags to follow me. No worries or
responsibilities. Wait...sounds like prison.....!
Never mind
Just as grandma predicted (Score:2)
At least a few of those old people are going to relate this to the beast, though it's difficult to liken a fob to a mark on the right hand or forehead.
Sad... (Score:5, Insightful)
I recently had to deal with a legal case of an elderly gentleman. I can't give any details but it was basically Mr. American Dream: young man immigrates, starts company, finds a niche, works hard and eventually becomes wealthy.
Due to a heart condition, and I suspect old age in general, he required constant supervision. Since his kids just couldn't handle it any more (I realize this is harsh but taking care of someone 24/7 isn't exactly easy) they moved him into an assisted living community.
Now, this man was wealthy and, generally doing fine when he moved in. Almost two years and more than $9000 a month later, he was broke and doing not so well (emphasis is on not).
I got to see the place and on the outside everything was alright. Modern facilities, friendly staff, a pool, competent medical personell and a state of the art security system. That's right. Camera surveillance that would make the British government pale in envy. Even in some of the rooms. Motion detectors. Wireless heart monitors. Kinda spooky in an Orwellian way.
Of course, this was all not used for surveillance purposes - they installed all this for safety and/or medical reasons. And, of course, the patients signed off on it and were(mostly) aware that they're being monitored.
The problem is, the constant lack of human interaction (the most you could hope for is somebody coming by once a day to see if you were indeed still alive) is hard on those old people and it does seem to have a really negative effect on their health. Of course, I can't prove a direct correlation but it was pretty obvious that his man's deteriorating health at least had to do with him feeling that there was nothing left to look forward to.
I think this is one of those instances were technology is not helping but rather hurting us.
Re:Sad... (Score:2)
I wonder if chat rooms (or other technology interaction) would help. Sounds silly (I can't imagine teaching my 100 year old grandfather how to sign onto a computer. And his vision would be an obstacle). But I bet when you and I are 90, we'll have some other options for communication besides face-to-face.
I'll probably be in chat rooms pretending to be 59 and handsome....
Re:Sad... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Sad... (Score:2)
Lots of obstacles. Older people tend to have more trouble with their hands too, so typing could be real tough. The loss of multiple senses used w/ the computer will make it hard as well. For example, my g
Slashdotters in fifty years.... (Score:2, Funny)
What will your old age look like ? (Score:2)
Not only do you have all the pleasures of old age, and your rapidly approaching death to look forward to - you have to consider who will help you when you can't help yourself.
Now maybe you'll get lucky. Maybe your children, if you have them, will take care of your, for years maybe. However, with the selfish imperative so much to the fore in today's society, do you really think they are going to drop their lives to look after the end of yours?
So we come
Hope they remove the tags... (Score:1)
Ma, It's not a nursing home! (Score:2)
Computer... (Score:2)
Majel Roddenberry's voice, extra-nasal: Captain Kirk is not in the nursing home.
Nurse: Can you locate him?
Computer: Processing
(pause)
Computer: Captain Kirk has been located by the Personal Emergency Response System of the Hilton corporation. He is in a corridor with a camera crew from Priceline. He is approaching Captain Spock's room.
On a related story (in Japan) (Score:2)
What exactly is the justification for that (Score:2, Insightful)
There is possibly no way to show more clearly that you want to deprieve elderly people of their human rights, to show that they are second class at best.
Somebody else here wrote that old people themselves like to have some support in living once it gets tough. Those that I know judge their ability to handle daily live as being wastly better than their relatives. But their are definitely some of those self-reflecting types.
So suppose you want to have help coping
Re:What exactly is the justification for that (Score:2)
What about the Clapper??!! (Score:2)
Surely those have been in retirement homes for years - not high-tech?
Nurses in charge (Score:2)
These Would Be Nice for Home Base Care As Well (Score:5, Interesting)
alzeimers.
So far, he can still remember where he
is and how to get back home. He goes
about his daily walks with no problem.
However, I can see the day when his alzeimers
advances to the point where he may not be
able to find his way back home.
Would it be nice to have some sort of tracking
on him so that mom (who is caring for him) can
find him, or better yet, a device that is plugged
into his ear that tell him how to get back home
based on gps and street map information; like;
'Walk left at the next intersection'; and
so forth.
We as a family will be needing something like
this.
Who here thought... (Score:2)
Re:Who here thought... (Score:2)
My mother-in-law works at a nursing home and she really cares for elderly people.
My wife also worked as a nuring administrator for a little while.
Your statements(and plenty of others) show a clear lack of understanding of what it is like to run a nursing home. Trying to please the patient, the family, and the government at the same is a daunting task.
Patient: there is a reason why they are in the nursing
Rabbit Snare (Score:2)
Educated Individual:"Ummm yeah
Sen Corruptus:"You wouldn't like them to get lost would you?"
EI:"No,no... but..."
Sen Corruptus:"And what about your kids? Don't you care about them?"
EI:"Of course I do! It's just..."
Sen Corruptus:"So we'll tag them too. In case of pedophiles. Your not a pedophile are you?"
EI:"What?! No I just don't like..."
Sen Corruptus:"We'll tag everyone so no one gets lost or tries to be a pedophile."
EI:"That's wrong. You can
At last! (Score:2)
If only this technology were available two years ago, Elvis wouldn't have had to go through all that trouble.
Nursing Home Tech (Score:3, Informative)
Another new technology that is also being implimented are resident databases with touchpads that help nursing aids take care of residents. It lets nurses use their time more efficiently. (quite cool, they installed windows XP embedded LCD's every 5 yds in the halls)[Each resident has a mag card that the nurses aid takes and swipes to access the residents records]
The nursing home also implimented a biometric ID system that allows employees to clock in and out.
I really like working there and being around the neat technology.
HOPE 5 r0x0rs
Check out Roujin Z anime on nursing robots (Score:2)
Re:Ah more stuff they can ignore (Score:1)