KDE 3.3: A Milestone For Linux On The Desktop 36
comforteagle writes "O'Reilly's OSDir has published the first of a new bi-weekly column called "KDE: From the Source" from which KDE developer and unofficial North American spokesperson George Staikos will be regularly writing on issues and happenings from the KDE camp. Naturally, his first piece focuses on KDE 3.3 and its implications for Linux on the desktop."
Welcome integration of IM and Mail... (Score:2)
And it's in Debian experimental
Re:Welcome integration of IM and Mail... (Score:2)
Re:Welcome integration of IM and Mail... (Score:4, Informative)
It works by IM programs (like kopete) implement a dcop interface (sorta like how you implement java interfaces).
This interface does stuff like emit a signal when presence status changes, lets you send a message or file to the contact, get an icon for the contact, and so on.
Then you modify the IM's
Then kaddressbook and kmail etc just look for processes that have done this, query them for details, and hook into the changedPresence signal.
At the last moment of the kde3.3 release, supported was for applications that aren't unique-instances. Like kopete can only run once per user, but now other applications, like konversation, will be able to show presence.
Konversation support should be there in the next release, whenever that is. (it doesn't follow the kde release schedule.) It's mostly there in cvs, but I keep running into delays
Debian.... sigh... (Score:2)
KDE 3.3 has been in Debian unstable for over a week now. Unfortunately, it's been broken and uninstallable from the beginning [debian.org], without even acknowledgement from the maintainer.
Just because I love Debian doesn't mean they don't also disgust me. :-)
Are there any other KDE-related debs in experimental?
Re:Debian.... sigh... (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Debian.... sigh... (Score:2)
Re:Debian.... sigh... (Score:1, Troll)
Re:Debian.... sigh... (Score:2)
kdebase [debian.org] (including konqueror etc.),
kdelibs [debian.org] (kdelibs! etc.),
kdenetwork [debian.org] (kopete, kppp etc.),
kdepim [debian.org] (knode, kmail etc.).
Probably even more (I'm not counting kdevelop and other applications.
Each with several binary packages...
This leads to bizarre discontinuities. There is also the problem that kde 3.2 has outstanding security bugs which don't look like being fixed in sarge [debian.org]. kdepim 3.3 was in experimental last week. I
Fedora users? (Score:2)
Re:Fedora users? (Score:5, Informative)
It works with yum and also covers a range of redhat/fedora versions. You'll find KDE 3.3 in testing. You will also likely have to remove a number of packages to get it all working though.
Re:Fedora users? (Score:2)
Nope. Can't find it. I'd look more, but the site is now slasdoted.
Re:Fedora users? (Score:2)
Yes, I was downloading the update at the same time as I posted the link and got to enjoy first hand the speed of a slashdotting. Wow! Two mins after I posted and the site was a smouldering ruin.
Anyway, the KDE3.3 rpms are in testing but to be honest I wouldn't try and install them. I did a pretty good job of mangling my test system.
BUGGY! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:BUGGY! (Score:2)
Re:BUGGY! (Score:1)
Re:BUGGY! (Score:1)
I hope you are reporting them!
Not too shabby... (Score:4, Interesting)
I must admit, I'm pretty excited about KDE at this point. I've been a longtime Gnome user, and, after trying out Qingy [sourceforge.net] (a GUI replacement for getty that let's you run different sessions on different virtual teminals, like Gnome on VT1, KDE on VT2, text console on VT3, all chosen at login time.), I decided to give some of the other desktop environments a shot, since it was so easy. I've always had KDE installed, just because I wanted the flexibility (slightly longer compile times, but I just left it running overnight on my Gentoo system.), so it made it simple to try.
I must say, I'm pretty impressed. The straight out of the box configuration sucks balls. (I had to add a bunch of keyboard shortcuts to Konsole before it was usable, but it was all centrally located and easy to do. In addition, I can't stand the default menu configuration.) The only thing I'm missing at this point is the lovely font unification that Gnome has. (At least under 2.6.0-2 and XOrg, I didn't have to do any configuration to get pretty, aliased, unified fonts.) At this point, I'm not sure if that's a deal breaker, so I'm giving it a shot.
The real test will be when I want to make sure that Firefox is the default URL handler so I don't have to deal with that damn Konqueror opening if I don't want to (Because doing the same in Gnome was a bitch.)
Anyway, sorry to rant, but I guess I just wanted to let all you Gnome diehards know that KDE can work. And it can be snappy, too... (Though I just started using it with 2.4.26 and low-latency scheduling, so Gnome might be snappier on this machine as well, a PIII 500 with 384MB RAM.)
Re:Not too shabby... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Not too shabby... (Score:4, Informative)
This will cause a "Start New Session" entry to appear in the "Screen Locked by user" dialog and also in the K-menu.
OT: roadrunner 64 (Score:1)
Have you modified the firmware on your hub ?
E-mail me, perhaps we can work on it together, update a few things.
Re:Not too shabby... (Score:2, Troll)
The only thing I'm missing at this point is the lovely font unification that Gnome has. (At least under 2.6.0-2 and XOrg, I didn't have to do any configuration to get pretty, aliased, unified fonts.
I have never ever had to do anything special to get anti-aliased fonts, but I use Gentoo and thus my QT and KDE is always built from source. This is probably a packaging problem with you distro.
The real test will be when I want to make sure that Firefox is the default URL handler so I don't have to deal with
Re:Not too shabby... (Score:2)
Ugh. How could you stand it? Gnome was quite horrible until just recently. 3 little words: "File Open Dialog".
trying out Qingy (a GUI replacement for getty that let's you run different sessions on different virtual teminals, like Gnome on VT1, KDE on VT2, text console on VT3, all chosen at login time.)
You don't need additional software to test multiple desktop environments concurrently.
For example, you can run Gnome from the normal login screen, then push Control-Alt
HTML mail? Yuck! (Score:1)
And that's supposed to be an improvement? I always loved KMail because it was simple and just had text mail. I certainly hope the default is still plain text!
Re:HTML mail? Yuck! (Score:1)
wierd... (Score:1, Troll)
Sometimes I just forget it exists
Slow still? (Score:3, Interesting)
Will KDE still clobber any keyboard repeat rate higher than 10.9 per second, like other KDEs I have used (1.x, 2.x, 3.1 on Caldera, TurboLinux, RedHat and Knoppix) do?
Even if I put a faster rate in
It makes the whole OS seem slow.
It p*sses me off so much I have de-installed KDE on all but Knoppix (!) to get my fast keyboard response back -- and Knoppix' KDE survives only because one cannot uninstall KDE in Knoppix.
Re:Slow still? (Score:2)
Mine is currently sert at 25 / s.
Though it should be inheriting from your
Re:Slow still? (Score:2)
I have been using Knoppix off the CD-ROM for a while, while I looked in vain for a popular, non-KDE-needing distribution which can play multimedia files (not RH-9 or Fedora.) I just checked the version I'm running now (3.2) and its behavior is fine. The Knoppix release previous to this, however, was as I described.
Knoppix does not include the keyboard rate slider as part of KDE in 3.2 (KDE 3.1.2.) -- or I can't find where they moved it to!
IIRC, everything was f
Offtopic, but useful (Score:2)
Install Fedora Core 2. Go to: apt.freshrpms.net [freshrpms.net] and copy the yum.conf file over your
su & type 'yum install mplayer', 'yum install xine', 'yum install [myfavouritemultimediaapp]' and it'll resolve all deps and install the whole lot. No fuss, no muss.
Yes, Red Hat have made the decision to keep some software to keep p
Re:Offtopic, but useful (Score:2)
Frankly, I find apt painful on dialup (I tried a harddisk install of Knoppix, but for various reasons knoppix will not install the apps I need from apt repositories because of library i
What's the big deal? (Score:2)
I think xfce4 is also a great alternative. It's slim, fast, and simple. It's great if you want to make a simple machine for IM, music playing, wo