Batch-o-Moz: Firefox, Thunderbird, Suite Released 766
bluephone writes "Today Mozilla.org has unleashed a triple threat; Firefox 1.0PR, Thunderbird 0.8, and Mozilla Suite 1.7.3. Wow. Lots of news in all three fronts. so, for your release notes, sys-requirements, what's new, and download links, here you go. Firefox, Thunderbird, and Mozilla Suite. Enjoy."
your mission, should you choose to accept it ... (Score:5, Insightful)
go on, you know it makes sense - if anything it'll make the internet faster without all the outlook generated spam flying around.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Informative)
The guy (in his 50's) had dramatic pop-up and scumware problems. I pointed him to mozilla + adaware, thinking that, he would not care, because it is not IE.
Boy I was wrong. He was over-enthusiast. He downloaded it as fast as possible, and now is not using ie anymore.
I am really impressed, as it is the first time I convert someone over 30.
Pop-up blocking, annoyance killing is *the* selling point of firefox. I didn't knew how fucked was ie browsing until I talked with this guy. The web was becoming useless for him, and he was driven crazy by frustration.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Informative)
Have a look at http://www.beggarchooser.com/firefox/ (*ahem* http://www.beggarchooser.com/firefox/ [beggarchooser.com]) - converts text links to genuine, bona fide hyperlinks.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Interesting)
I used to think PDF Creator was fantastic, but when I tried deploying in the office it had problems I hadn't encoutered in my limited use of it.
The worst of these was in the save dialog where if you clicked on a directory shortcut - to jump to a directory - it would save over the shortcut instead of opening the directory. The sad thing is I reported this bug [sourceforge.net] over two months ago, and it still hasn't got fixed.
In the end I went with the free but non-open source alternative of CutePDF
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Informative)
Personally, I prefer shortcuts that actually make sense and match every other GUI app in existence.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Informative)
I use all three of these programs. No one program finds everything. Oh, and also use a virus scanner, of course.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Interesting)
Doing my part!
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Interesting)
I haven't had any calls yet this year of people having problems with Firefox.
Did I mention that Adaware is our savior here too?
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Insightful)
Be sure to show newbies how to use tabs and find-as-you-type! IE will soon be blocking popups.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:3, Insightful)
It already does. SP2 added that capability. Of course, the Google toolbar had been blocking them too. I was running Norton Internet Security which also had a popup blocker. Now I run Admuncher which blows Adblock away. The point is, popup/ad blocking isn't the selling point you may think it is. It's all about the tabs. But you can install the Avant browser which adds tabs to IE so tabs aren't that big a deal either really. I guess the smaller size might be a selling
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:3)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Informative)
So far they've all raved about tabbed browsing once they've used FF for a bit.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Informative)
Just FYI, you don't need to disable auto-scroll. The middle click is context sensitive, and will open tabs on links.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've had no problem with my parents (both almost 70). Here's what I did;
A bonus was pointing out that popup blocking is included.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Funny)
I remember when we used to send messages with a slide rule. Of course I'd have an onion on my belt while doing it, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Interesting)
I have IE 6 on my computer too but I never use it. I've already converted three of my friends to Firefox, they aren't power users or anything, they don't know jack about computers...
On the other when I tried to convince my Dad (he's a web-developer, 44 yrs)to switch to Firefox, he's like no way (!) - Firefox is still in beta and unreliable, unstable blah blah blah... (BTW, this was before he had used it)
I showed him all the cool features like find as you type, google search built-in to the toolbar, tabbed browsing, popup blocker, adblock...the works.
I really can't see why my dad doesn't use firefox. I showed one of my relatives Firefox too, but he wasn't too interested - even though he had reformatted his HDD twice or thrice cuz of spyware and scum coming in thru IE. So yes converting someone over 30 is damn hard even if they despise spyware.
I'd like to hear from fellow slashdotters if they've faced similar problems in converting people to firefox.
Really, the state of computer literacy, at least in India (my friends in the US say its equally bad there) is really appalling, and I'm talking about well-educated,smart people not the poor people. I mean look at my Dad he's really smart, he graduated from the top colleges in India and still never bothered to install a firewall on our computer even though we have ADSL, doesn't want to use stuff like Firefox...
Basically converting people to firefox or linux is hard for two reasons - people are averse to change and mainly because most people are stupid.
P.S - I know somebody in my family who put a folder named 'sex' on the fucking Desktop, it had loads of porn, about a gig, and he has two kids (10 & 13).
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Insightful)
That's the key. "I warned you that your system turned to crap because you were using IE. I suggested you use Firefox. You declined. Now your system has turned to crap again. I can't justify coming over every six months to rescue you from IE. I understand that LocalBusinessName has technicians available at reasonable rates. Call me when you're willing to switch."
Either way you spend less time repairing computers for free; you win either way.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Funny)
Great quote (Score:5, Funny)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Funny)
As someone who will be 36 in 16 days I have to remind you of something. We are now old enough to legally date women half our age.
Oh, and in six more years we can buy them drinks. ^_~
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Interesting)
Even though FireFox @ 0.9 is better than IE @ 6.0, Service Pack 2, I've decided to wait until it has a stable, 1.0 release to "convert" users. Doesn't seem like I will have to wait that much longer. The only reason I do this is because there are a few bugs, imo, that are confusing, to say the least. I can work around them, but at least with my friends using IE, it's not my fault if something goes wrong.
As for Mozilla Thunderbird... even though it isn't 1.0, I haven't had ANY problems with it. Converting my mom to that was simple enough. I just told her it didn't boot you offline like AOL.
Seriously, AOL sux. My mom is really happy with Thunderbird. It downloads her email, she reads the email, the end. No calendars, headline news, advertisements, etc. It gets the job done, and quite efficiently.
So: I accept the mission. But I won't carry it out... yet.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Funny)
Friends don't let friends use IE.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Funny)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Insightful)
After swapping back, I had realised that Thunderbird had improved greatly and I'm very glad that Outlook b0rked up, otherwise I'd probably still be using it now.
Thunderbird probably does have a lot of features that Outlook doesn't have (or at least didn't appear to have), but I'm perfectly happy with the features Thunderbird does have and I don't require anything extra from it. It's interface looks much better than Outlooks boring GUI and it's junk mail filter is also extremely accurate, IMO - having marked around 98% of my junk emails as junk emails, with only 1 or 2 false positives in the whole time I've used it.
Anyway, you mustn't forget that features shouldn't be the only reason to swap over.. Outlook does have severe security issues that need to be addressed (anyone have a link to that bug where people aren't supposed to start emails with a certain word, because it makes Outlook think the rest of the email is actually a file? HAH!). Yeah, Thunderbird might have security issues too, but I seel much safer with TB than OL.
My 2c.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Informative)
And in true MS style, the solution is... not to use that word at the start of email messages.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Interesting)
Unfortunately they can't read those stupid "winmail.dat" files that Outlook loves to send out.
If anyone has a suggestion to allow Thunderbird to automatically read/open these stupid winmail.dat files, I guarantee two new converts, AT LEAST!!!
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:4, Informative)
More about it here: http://www.gpc.edu/~jbenson/resource/winmail.htm
I used WMDecode from http://www.biblet.com/ to decode some attachments my coworker received from someone outside the firm in a winmail.dat file.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Interesting)
I've already converted a bunch of them at work. Microsoft made it really easy for me what with all the ActiveX exploits, lack of features updates, etc. The process is always the same:
COWORKER: My computer is really slow all of the sudden.
... 30 minutes later ...
...
ME: Have you checked for spyware lately? Run Ad-aware and Spybot lately?
COWORKER: OK...
COWORKER: Wow, there sure were a lot of nasties on there. I've removed them all and things are running much faster. Thanks for the tip!
... The next day
COWORKER: My PC was slow again this morning, so I ran Ad-aware and Spybot again. They found all sorts of new stuff. Is there any way to keep this from happening?
ME: There's three ways:
COWORKER: Oh, option 3 sounds good. I'll install it right now.
The good thing is, my upgrade today to Firefox PR1.0 seems to work on a lot of sites that weren't working with Mozilla, so it's only going to get better. However, the realist in me says that once Firefox really takes off, we can look forward to people finding security exploits in it too.
Re:your mission, should you choose to accept it .. (Score:5, Informative)
/. no match for moznews (Score:4, Informative)
take part in the initiative to spread the news (Score:5, Informative)
and
http://www.getfirefox.com/ [getfirefox.com]
Installed easily enough (Score:3, Insightful)
WebDeveloper toolbar seems fine.
not upgrading firefox yet... (Score:5, Interesting)
biggest pain in the ass -- firefox won't let the user override an extension's compatibility setting.
I can only hope they all change their settings soon...
Re:not upgrading firefox yet... (Score:5, Informative)
HTH.
Re:not upgrading firefox yet... (Score:4, Informative)
still the same name ?? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:still the same name ?? (Score:4, Funny)
Some themes are still uncompatible? (Score:3, Interesting)
I wonder if it's really a compatibility problem, or a bug.
Focus problems with Firefox (Score:5, Informative)
I am still stuck at Firefox 0.8 under Linux with Enlightenment due to serious focus problems with the recent releases.. And I do not want to be left behind!
I open everything in new windows and usually close them using the keyboard. That does not work if the focus is wrong, etc. Mouse-centric folk won't notice this much but it is a killer for me.
I think this is the bug and it looks like it is being ignored:
252178 [mozilla.org]
Yes, PLEASE FIX THIS (Score:5, Insightful)
Agreed, I run across it all the time myself. I use tabs, and other tabs are always stealing the focus as I'm typing. This can be a serious security issue because this will often happen as I'm typing in username/passwords and I'll realize that I've typed my password into some other tab and submitted it when I pressed [return].
Re:Focus problems with Firefox (Score:5, Informative)
The focus problems are partly mandated by the javascript standards :-(
Basically, javascript assumes you always use windows-style focus and completely ignores the existence of focus-under-mouse (what I use in Windows too, by the way. tweakui can do this).
Remember (Score:5, Informative)
There's also a new community marketing effort at SpreadFirefox.com [spreadfirefox.com], and one of their first goals is 1 million downloads in 10 days. Come on Slashdot, spread the word, we can do it!
Spread Firefox (Score:5, Informative)
In addition to the release of new versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, and Mozilla suite, the Mozilla Foundation have launched a new marketing campign titled Spread Firefox [spreadfirefox.com].
The goal is to see 1,000,000 downloads achieved in the first 10 days!
Get downloading Slashdot.
Re:Spread Firefox (Score:5, Funny)
Ok, so you didn't. But if you did
Re:Spread Firefox (Score:5, Informative)
I wouldn't have it any other way.
Cheers,
Roger
Thank you Mozilla (Score:5, Interesting)
Might this spell an end... (Score:5, Interesting)
My poor F5 key is getting worn...
Sadly, I think it's an Old Skool Slashdot issue. Will anyone ever drag my favorite site out of 1996 and introduce it to some lovely CSS-P?
Yours, in hope...
Re:Might this spell an end... (Score:5, Informative)
To fix the screen without redownloading, just increase, then decrease the font size (hold down [ctrl] + mouse wheel up then down).
Its a PITA that there is a problem in the first place, but thats the way it is.
btw, has anyone else noticed popups coming from slash (work machine is IE6 on xp sp1) Not even noticed it at home (firefox
Re:Might this spell an end... (Score:5, Insightful)
There's nothing like being unable to read the latest IE bashing thread because Firefox can't render the /. page.
Re:Might this spell an end... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Might this spell an end... (Score:3, Interesting)
However, using some of the newer Trunk builds (starting afew months ago) I began to see these rendering problems just as this thread of convos describes. Aviary builds don't seem to manifest this, or if they do, not nearly as often
This is fixed in the gecko trunk plus a workaround (Score:4, Informative)
Until then, just resize the font on the page when it renders badly... and boom! fixed!
Firefox (Score:3, Interesting)
The mozilla suite have literaly changed the face of the internet for me. Not just pop up stoppers, or tabbed browsing, or it being free. It just cooler, something that IE won't have. How can MS compete with a name like Firefox? Or Thunderbird
Finally... (Score:5, Interesting)
I couldn't believe they didn't have this feature earlier and when I switched over from Outlook Express I was severely disappointed that I had to look through two different folders for new mail.
Hopefully they'll upgrade the spam filter as well... because as far as I can tell it doesn't work too great, or maybe I'm just stupid.
Re:Finally... (Score:3, Interesting)
Triple threat? (Score:5, Insightful)
Getting There (Score:5, Interesting)
However, two things that have kept me from making a greater push into converting folks have been Thunderbird's buggy LDAP support (our company email directory is LDAP) and the lack of a central calendar. Yes, I use the calendar add-on, and am aware of the stand-alone product, but until it can talk with our Exchange server, the conversion process will be painful. I was willing to do it because I prefer having the same system at work as at home (where I run Linux). Most folks here aren't going to be quite as motivated...
Obligatory Plug - Please read my online novel [blogspot.com]
Firefox: Location filed - Enter does not work (Score:5, Interesting)
Situation: If you type in an address in Firefox -- about:plugins, yahoo.com (with or without http:// and www.) -- and hit enter, nothing happens.
That's right the *enter key* is ignored.
Also happens for the search field.
Details: Windows 98 system. RC1 and other recient 9.x releases. Firefox was removed and reinstalled multiple times to avoid this. Works fine on all other systems I've encountered (Win XP, 2000, and Fedora Linux). I found one person who also experienced this, though they were planing the uninstall/reinistall tactic and did not report the results.
Odd Firefox behavior (Score:4, Insightful)
"TypeError: arrViewNodes[j].contentWindow has no properties"
I can consistently reproduce it by opening a new tab that's blank & then closing after a few seconds or a few minutes without loading anything into it. This is on a WinXP Pro machine (no SP2, thank you very much) with an RC1 install that's less than an hour old.
Speed (Score:4, Interesting)
Previously, startup times were less than that of IE, now I can honestly say that there is no noticeable difference. It also found
If I can show this to people and say, "hey, look, it even starts faster than IE!"--then they will be impressed!
Kudos to the moz team!
Still no MSI package (Score:5, Insightful)
There are some hacks about but I haven't managed to get it working in a satisfactory manner. I'd deploy it across the entire organisation (100 or so PCs) at the drop of a hat if I had a working MSI package. It's a school, too, so many accounts and users per machine.
Re:Still no MSI package (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Still no MSI package - other Enterprise issues (Score:5, Interesting)
Currently no mozilla based browser will work "automatically" with roaming profiles. What happens is that a user will create his profile on one computer, move to another, then Firefox (Mozilla, Netscape, etc) will continually ask for a profile since it does not find the one that was created previously.
This is a major stumbling block for Enterprise acceptance of FireFox. Currently you can get around this by specifying a profile in the command line that launches firefox (make a batch file), but unfortunately every user that uses a computer will use the same profile. (Unless you have an extremely fast network and server which can sufficiently serve 100+ profiles at the same time).
Another complaint I hear from fellow Adminstrators is the fact that you can easily "lock down" Internet Explorer by using Group Policies through Active Directory. Example, you can easily change the home page of every user by simply creating a policy object and applying it to an Active Directory User Container that includes all of your users. To do this with Firefox would take hours (if not days) depending on the number of installations.
MacOS X Keyboard Navigation? (Score:5, Interesting)
Sure, it may render pages on all platforms exactly the same, and give the same Javascript behavior. That's great, and I appreciate it.
But what is really getting me down is that I cannot, to my knowledge, browse using keyboard navigation on MacOS X like I can on both Windows and Linux. I use Find-as-You-Type and navigation among links with the Tab key all the time on Linux and Windows, but when I start using my Powerbook I have to give most of that up and use the touchpad.
For example, in the administration portion of a website that I work on, if I'd like to be able to make a new entry into the database, I can do it all without a mouse on Windows or Linux. I tab among the text entry boxes, dropdown boxes, and buttons and do my work. I can get to another tab and grab some text or a link, and then back to the tab where I'm doing data entry and paste the retreived information. All without the mouse.
Unless there is something big I'm missing, you absolutely cannot do this on MacOS X with the same efficiency.
I now work from time to time on all three major platforms: Windows, MacOS X, and Linux. While I like various parts of all three, I have to say that I find the keyboard accessibility of GNOME and Mozilla on Linux preferable to anything on the other two. Then again, Linux is also where I've spent the most time, but it sure was easier to find the keystrokes and customization options I wanted there than it is on Windows (and, so far, MacOS X).
Incidentally, I have also tried Safari (has the Option-Tab keystroke for navigating a page like I want, but even with Saft it doesn't have good Find-as-You-Type) and Camino (same problems as Firefox) and Mozilla (same as Camino and Firefox) all without any luck. Oh well.
Mirror (Score:3)
Firefox [wifi-bourgogne.com]
Thunderbird [wifi-bourgogne.com]
However, I don't suggest updating right away if you like how your current firefox is customized. None of my cool extensions or themes made the switch. I especially miss tabbrowser extensions.
RSS feature doesn't work on Slashdot.org (Score:5, Informative)
Re:RSS feature doesn't work on Slashdot.org (Score:5, Informative)
Save tabs? (Score:4, Interesting)
Another thing is the speed under linux... Is there a way to make that thing load quicker? I don't like to wait a dozen seconds just for the browser to appear.
Re:Save tabs? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Save tabs? (Score:4, Informative)
link handling in Linux / KDE? (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, I googled and yes there is a solution involving a shell script(s) and installing arcane extention in 'Fox, but:
This solution does not work for me; and overall, the shell script thing will be an immeditate turn off for someone converting from Windows (where by the way, Fox and Bird integrate perfectly including even XP login screen).
So does anyone know if there was any progress on this front with the new releases?
New features (Score:5, Informative)
You can now subscribe to and read RSS feeds in your Bookmarks. When you visit a page that advertises a RSS feed by using a <link> tag, an (RSS) icon will appear in the status bar. Click it to view a list of feeds the page is offering. Click one to subscribe - this adds a Bookmark Folder that contains all the recent posts from the feed.
Find is easier and more powerful now with our new Find toolbar. The Find toolbar (which shows at the bottom of the browser window) automatically highlights text in the page as you type and has a useful highlight feature.
You can now open blocked popups, and the Extension install system now blocks all attempts to install software from sites other than update.mozilla.org. Users can add other sites to a list that allows them to offer software, but software is never automatically installed. In addition to these steps, several other measures have been taken to prevent phishing attacks and to highlight when a page is being viewed over a secure connection.
Numerous improvements to bookmarks including more reliable presentation of Site icons, and a split pane view in the Bookmarks window.
Passwords saved with the Password Manager can now be more easily encrypted with strong encryption by creating a "Master Password". If you create a Master Password, you are prompted once per session to enter the Master Password so that Password Manager can automatically fill in site logins. A useful feature for people who share computers with others and want improved security.
Undetectable document.all support for site compatibility and improved compatibility for keyboard accelerators further smooth the transition for IE users
You can now configure Firefox as your Default Browser on GNOME, and Firefox will adhere to your GNOME settings for edit field key bindings, etc.
one feature I would have liked (Score:3, Insightful)
Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird only display messages on an IMAP server that have not been marked as deleted?
I use Thunderbird on my laptop and Outlook on my desktop (have to use it there), and frequently I end up with quite a few messages in my inbox (most of which are deleted) by the time I check my mail again using Thunderbird. There has to be a better solution besides purging all my deleted messages before using Thunderbird every time-- since sometimes I screw up and need to recover deleted messages...
I've looked in the View-Messages-Customize menu option, but there doesn't seem to be a field for the message's IMAP deletion status- any ideas?
webmail (Score:5, Funny)
Hell, I'm just waiting for someone to come up with a web-based browser. I'd switch in a heartbeat!
Firefox is getting big. (Score:5, Interesting)
Firefox is getting big. I'm in Australia, so I know our Law & Order episodes are behind you in the Americas, but a few nights ago watching an episode of SVU I saw one of the detectives pull open her laptop, and run a google search. As soon as she did it, I noticed she was using Firefox for win32!
If it's getting used in show props as a realistic tool, it means people in non-nerd industries are looking at it. That means its getting really big!
Slashdot rendering warrants "MAJOR BUG" status(?) (Score:5, Interesting)
as noted under "Major Bug Fixes" #217527 [mozilla.org]
I don't know how I feel about that
or what that says about the prominence of
or what that says about the priorities of the moz devs
Favicons? (Score:3, Insightful)
written from 1.0pr (Score:3, Interesting)
Thunderbird... (Score:3, Informative)
The main problem I have in converting people to Tbird is that it has no support for outlook, Yahoo or MSN. And yes, I am aware there are programs to do it, but having to say "Well, NO it doesnt check yahoo, but you can download and configure this other little program to make it work" really doesn't present it in a flattering light.
mickey mouse. (Score:5, Insightful)
but i still have to uninstall before upgrading on many of the machines here, and it's ridiculous now to call this a 1.0PR with that problem still around.
also, from the release notes:
It should not be necessary to create a new profile when you upgrade from a previous version of Firefox providing you do disable all extensions from the prior version before upgrading. To do this, open the old version and open Tools > Options and click the Extensions panel. Click on each of the extensions listed and choose Disable Extension. Click OK to close the Options window. Now it is safe to install Firefox.
if you know this is the case, mister firefox, why the hell does your installer not do it for me?
you want mass adoption, but you continue with this mickey mouse crap of not being able to handle upgrades in any sort of efficient manor. i'm sorry, but you won't see mass adoption like that, and i'm afraid you've already gained the reputation.
Re:mickey mouse. (Score:4, Informative)
My installer on Windows *did* do this for me. I completely forgot to disable my extensions, but it told me X, Y, and Z extensions were not going to work and would be disabled automatically. Maybe that snippit from the release notes was just blindly pasted in from a previous release?
Sunbird has a new Build (Score:5, Insightful)
Nope, its version 0.10! (Score:5, Informative)
"The 1.0 final release won't be out for another month or so"
"The version number for this release is 0.10PR. For those who still count in decimal, 0.10 is larger than 0.9, despite what you were taught in school."
RTFA
Re:Nope, its version 0.10! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Firefox 1.1 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Killed already? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Killed already? (Score:3, Informative)
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/rel
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird
Re:Slashdot Bug Fixed? (Score:3, Informative)
It seems that Firefox doesn't render these iframes properly.
Re:Huh?? (Score:3, Informative)
Much the same numbering system as used by ATI's Catalyst Drivers.
Re:Huh?? (Score:3, Interesting)
You should know that Mozilla doesn't consider them to be decimal when you have Mozilla 1.7.3 out also. If you saw 1.7.3 and 1.10.2 which would you think was newer?
This is common practice for MANY projects.
Re:Thunderbird RSS reader, where? (Score:4, Interesting)
I think that's just stupid, there's no excuse for not including this "account" by default. There's not even anything you can configure in the Add Account step, you've just got to confirm it.
On the other hand they still include crap like "Local Folders", even though there's a million dupes in Bugzilla with pleas to get rid of it. I mean what the heck are you even supposed to do with those? The only reason they can't be removed, as explained to me by a developer, is because Thunderbird depends on them for many background tasks even if you never store a single message in them. Nice job of separating the backend from the interface there...
Though I bitch, I still love Thunderbird. The UI is getting a bit bloated though (I mean do you really need a Javascript console in a mail application, what a waste of a menu entry position)
Re:Intial Thoughts... (Score:4, Informative)
They do care, it's been fixed in the trunk. Not sure if this will make it to 1.0 release though.