Microsoft To Sell Win XP Starter Edition In Russia 453
Garabito writes "Cnet reports that Microsoft plans to distribute in Russia the low-cost, stripped-down version of Windows XP, called 'Starter Edition.' This release of Windows is aimed at markets in developing nations, and is known for not allowing more than three applications to run at the same time and not being networking capable. This product will not be available on retail, but will be distributed by OEM vendors in new PCs, at an approximate price of US$36. On a side note, the article also states that the MS tax paid by vendors to Microsoft for Windows XP licenses is $70 or more."
In Soviet Russia, (Score:4, Funny)
In Sowjet Russia (Score:3, Funny)
What did you expect here?
Re:In Sowjet Russia (Score:2)
Re:In Sowjet Russia (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:In Sowjet Russia (Score:2)
At $36.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:At $36.... (Score:2)
Re:At $36.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Then don't use it. If you do use it without properly licensing it, then don't complain if someone else does the same to something you produce, or to some piece of GPLed software.
If you don't respect other people's copyrights, you have no reason to expect others to respect yours, or anyone else's.
Re:At $36.... (Score:2)
In Soviet Russia (Score:4, Funny)
good against piracy! (Score:5, Funny)
Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why impose sh*t on people just because they don't have enough cash to pay for a retail Windows XP?
Please... someone give them a proper OS for free.
Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you have any idea how many bajillions of people there are who don't have an Internet connection and never run more than one or two apps at a time?
Re:Why? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Why? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why would anyone want to pay 36 USD for an operating system which isn't capable of networking and multitasking past 3 programs?
Because many people simply run only one app at a time. The system may be capable of multitasking, but the user may not be. I know people who will not open more than one window at a time and will nearly freak when an application opens a new window that shows up in the task bar.
One of the additional benefits that I see is that it will make it more difficult for worms/viruses to
Re:Why? (Score:3, Funny)
> operating system which isn't capable of networking
> and multitasking past 3 programs?
Well, windows are very well known to crash when you have more than 2-3 programs running, so I expect this edition to be the most stable windows ever sold. The cheapest too...
Re:Why? (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, in Russia pirated software is sold on the streets by disc, i.e. you pay $2 for WinXP professional on one disc while some 6-disc Linux distro costs you $12. So ironically if they want to save money they gotta go with Win. On the other hand, I think the pricing is quite fair like this.
Here's Why... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Why? (Score:3, Insightful)
Now there's a market for simple bootloaders. Want to make a killing? Spend about an hour writing a program that loads other programs as its own threads. Sell it for $5. Viola, the biggest crippling disabled.
Then write a program that ports samba as a disk driver. Sell it for $5.
For $10, a person can get the equivalent of full Windows. You're not technically "unlocking" features, so you're DMCA home free. And the money goes to you, not Microsoft.
That looks like surplus to me... (Score:5, Funny)
Piracy (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Piracy (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Piracy (Score:5, Informative)
Being from a "third world country", i can attest this isn't true only in Russia. But I think the biggest problem isn't bad people selling pirated CDs that people WANT to buy.
When you use indian workers to code something three times cheaper, then try to sell it in a country three times more expensive than it would cost if it was built there, something must be wrong.
US$30 is 5-10% of a programer's salary here. Piracy is a economical problem, not technical one.
The point? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why the Fuck are they doing this? (Score:5, Insightful)
Ok #1:
Software piracy of full versions runs rampant.
#2:
only aviable to OEMS
#3:
only 3 programs can run at once.
#4:
resolution restricted to 800x600
Why the hell is MS doing this? Obviously this OS is a complete peice of shit, why would anybody even think about desiring this crippled thing?
You have free linux that can do 10000x as much, and is cheaper. And you have wholesale pirating of software so that you can get a full version of WinXP for probably only a little bit more then the cost of the media itself.
The only conclusion I can get is that Win XP SE is designed to keep OEM's buying MS products so that then the market matures and people can afford to pay MS's prices that the infrastructure, thru legal pressure, will be their for MS to shove the software down the throats of the "host" countries.
It doesn't make sense any other way, places like HP and Gateway only already pay 48 bucks for a full home edition, why else would the extra 12 bucks savings for a crippled version of XP make any difference, or even be intellegent market-wise.
Maybe it's just a PR crapfest?
Re:Why the Fuck are they doing this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, that just made me think of Codeweavers CrossOver Office. It is available for about the same amount as this entire operating system and runs on a free OS.
So...
or...
I know which one I would choose. Or, In Soviet Russia, which one would choose me.
No networking.. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:No networking.. (Score:2)
Re:No networking.. (Score:2)
Re:No networking.. (Score:2)
This is Slashdot. Would people want anything else here, what with insulting references to GUIs such as "point and drool"?
Wow! What a scam! (Score:2, Flamebait)
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Re:Wow! What a scam! (Score:3, Insightful)
Since it is basically impossible to purchase a complete system without paying for Windows, I'd say it IS a tax. Even if you find a dealer that will sell you a blank machine, you'll still be paying for a copy of Window
Seems reasonable to me. (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, hopefully it does...
Pro?? Um, right. (Score:3, Informative)
Hell, I can't afford a copy of WinXP Pro. I have the XP Home that came OEM with my new machine. But I could afford to set up a network if I wanted. Cost of one: $400 CDN, cost of the other: $60 for a router and $40 for cables.
Re:Seems reasonable to me. (Score:2, Interesting)
The problem is that the editions stil are not customer oriented. There is not way to get the consumser level crap out of the Prof edition. Any commercial computer is exposed to numerous security risks caused by the consumer crap b
Re:Seems reasonable to me. (Score:3, Informative)
I am willing to bet... (Score:5, Funny)
Marketing Exec One: Let's try selling our stripped-down, crippled version of Windows to stop piracy and stop this "Linux-thingy" in Russia. Nobody there will know the difference
Marketing Exec Two: Brilliant!
One week later in Redmond at a special award ceremony:
Bill Gates: We hereby award this plaque for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Marketing Excellence (apologies to the Simpsons). Marketing Exec One has devised a brilliant plan to stop piracy and the Linux cancer in Russia. Brilliant!
And so life goes on in Redmond.
Re:I am willing to bet... (Score:2)
Did anyone else instantly think of the current crop of Guiness commercials here in the states?
Re:I am willing to bet... (Score:2)
And so Redmond continues generating more money than all Linux companies put together.
Re:I am willing to bet... (Score:2)
Their marketing and product development groups must be doing something right.
Piracy is legal in Russia? (Score:3, Insightful)
That is, of course, presuming that they even WANT to use windows.....*insert picture of a penguin here*
W00t! Stripped down software in Russia? (Score:2)
Gosh, I can't wait for AllOfXP.com to start up so I can get me some cheap copies of XP, the way I want, without DRM and at a good price... ;-) </Ducks>
What is the point of this thing? (Score:3, Interesting)
When you can get a pirate copy of XP pro for next to nothing, your smply going to bring your new PC home, format it and install your full version.
I don't see this cutting piracy at all. In fact, it will probably encourage piracy.
Re:What is the point of this thing? (Score:2)
Microsoft Tax? (Score:4, Interesting)
Just do me a favour and stop referring to it as a tax, it just makes you look stupid. Income tax is a tax - you earn money, you pay it; you earn money but don't pay it, you're breaking the law. Windows licence fees a tax? Who's going to arrest yo for not paying for something you've not ordered or received?
Re:Microsoft Tax? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft Tax? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Microsoft Tax? (Score:2)
For an OEM to get good discounts for the Windows licenses they have to agree not to install any operating system besides Microsoft Windows.
Therefore you can go to a small supplier which charges higher prices but it's usually cheaper to get a machine with windows pre-installed from say "Dell" and then format over windows and install Linux.
So if you want to buy a cheap PC atleast in the UK you probably pay like 80%
It is a tax. (Score:2, Insightful)
It's a tax in that it's a fee that microsoft wants every computer buyer to pay regardless of whether or not they use their software.
Government taxes can be avoided too, but the government uses strong armed tactics to stop you from doing so.
In the same way, microsoft "tax" can be avoided but they use strong arm tactics to try and make you pay.
A tax does not have to be tied to a government body. Look it up in a dictionary sometime. I think you'll find so
Linux "Starter Edition" ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Nick
Re:Linux "Starter Edition" ? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Linux "Starter Edition" ? (Score:2)
Re: Linux "Starter Edition" ? (Score:2, Funny)
> I know this might sound rather crazy but the beauty of linux is that it would be trivial to create a linux "Starter Edition" equally crippled ?
Ridiculous (Score:5, Insightful)
And this doesn't even take distribution of wealth into account. According to the above mentioned source 25% of Russia's population are below the poverty line. In reality, it's much more (they are notorious for not keeping track of economical data or even just plain making stuff up).
So you have a small upper class, a small middle class, a huge blue collar working class (with many people out of work) and a lot of people unaccounted for.
If you're living on $741 a month, do you really spend $36 on a license you essentially don't need (since there's no enforcement in Russia). Also, consider that those $36 are 20% of your monthly income (not of your monthly disposable income).
I don't really get who the folks at Microsoft think their target audience is. The upper class can afford XP Pro/Home licenses. They've either already purchased those (probably OEM licenses) or simply don't care. Anyone outside that demographic just won't be able to afford a Starter license, even if they wanted to.
Re:Ridiculous (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Ridiculous (Score:2)
Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.
Re:Ridiculous (Score:2)
But even 5% is a lot of money for most people in Russia. If you're living on $741 a month, you just don't have a lot of disposable income. And it's not like life in the US -- if I wanted to, I could easily save some money by turning of air conditioning in my house and by carpooling/biking/walking. In most parts of Russia, the winters are so harsh that you there's nothing you could turn off since you're barely
Re:Ridiculous (Score:3, Informative)
wow (Score:3, Funny)
Never going to work in Russia (Score:4, Insightful)
Baby's first Microsoft? (Score:3, Interesting)
Hopefully, it has as much market research behind it as Microsoft Bob.
What's the point? (Score:2)
What's stopping these people who are already pirating and keygenning from continuing to do it for free.. as opposed to putting down $40 (That could be better spent on Vodka) for a crippleware version of the same Sub-Par OS?
Re:What's the point? (Score:5, Insightful)
> get keys that are so legit they fool Microsoft's
> extra special little "Anti-Piracy" website and
> that new "No Piracy" verification you need to go
> through before downloading that codec pack.
That's what you get when you outsource code-development to 3rd-world countries.
Unless you keep your employees imprisoned (<cough>China...</cough>...), the knowledge about your software/product is just going to walk out of the facility....no matter how secure it is.
But it's long way before execs will learn that, I'm afraid.
Rainer
Re:What's the point? (Score:2, Insightful)
Bullshit. Piracy of MS Products has been going on for a long time before Offshoring even reached it's current magnitude.
This is not a problem with offshoring, no matter how much you want to make yourself believe that. This is a problem of getting governments to fight piracy. The Average Russian cannot afford WinXP. So he buys a pirated version. MS Finds out that this is all too common, and asks the Russian Government to step
Re:What's the point? (Score:2)
That's what you get when you outsource code-development to 3rd-world countries.
Wait, wait, wait... are you trying to say that piracy is somehow the result of outsourcing?
Little too far, don't you think? Pirated software in all its various forms existed long before outsourcing was en vogue.
Re:What's the point? (Score:2)
Re:What's the point? (Score:2)
Most secure XP yet ? (Score:3, Funny)
So, with XP's kernel, Microsoft's spyware and a user's app, the user might not have enough resources to launch a virus !
(BTW, with no network, one wonders where he'd get one from)
Finally!!! (Score:2, Funny)
No.
What are those Linux vendors doing in Russia (Score:2)
Wait a minute... (Score:3, Funny)
So that's
1 - Anti virus
2 - Firewall
3 - Anti spyware
Nice....
Re:Wait a minute... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Wait a minute... (Score:2)
Of course, you're joking. Your comment finally reached "Funny" by the time I'm about to post this.
No, it's... (Score:3, Funny)
2-IE
3-Solitair
Now there's no room for the virus or spyware to run.
Seems expensive (Score:2)
And I can't see any PR value in making your ass a laughing stock. But what do I know about innovative business models.
hmmmm (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:hmmmm (Score:2)
"XP High Security Edition" (Score:4, Funny)
An MS spokesperson was quoted as "Our users were not using the network anyways." and "Speculation that this is a step backwards by 15 years are completely groundless.".
Re:extra features (Score:2)
But some of XP Starter Edition requires *adding new features and functionality* to the standard XP.
I agree with you. I also consider it possible that disabling the network could be a significant effort.
What I meant to say ist that the resulting product is ridiculous and unusable. For Linux that is good news, since people that want to do networking and then find out the retail-price of XP will be shocked and looking for alternatives.
less is more ? (Score:5, Funny)
> capable.
Hey...how come Russia gets the secure version of XP?
---eludom
crippled OS is foolishness (Score:2)
Why would anybody in their right mind (and with good concience) release an OS which runs a really limited number of apps (virtually is crippled) for less cash. The cash still adds up. They are setting computing back a decade for their Starter Edition users. That's just dumb. How many of those people, after a few months of frustration or even less time, are going to either upgrade to a non-crippled Win XP, or even pirate one that allows them to connect to other computers. I won't be surprised if this goe
Size (Score:2)
3 simultaneous apps? (Score:2)
105
Hmm...I guess I would not fit.
XP = $70 = cheap $20 a year (Score:2)
A lot of linux advocates try to make a BFD about the expense involved with using windows. Usually using such funny math as: XP at $300 + MS-Office at $350, etc. But, you can run OpenOffice on XP just as easially as Linux.
I don't know about Russia, but here in the USA, $20 is nothing. I spend that on lunch. I bet a lot of linux advocates spend more than $20 a year on linux.
There may be good reasons to use instead of w
Re:XP = $70 = cheap $20 a year (Score:2)
I'm a hardware junkie so I typically change my motherboard at least twice a year. I'm swapping videocards, soundcards, hard drives, etc, like.. like... a wife swapper at an orgy full of supermodels. (Heck, it's the best I can do this early in the morning!)
There is just NO way I'm going to let Microsoft dictate when and how I us
Re:XP = $70 = cheap $20 a year (Score:2)
A lot of linux advocates try to make a BFD about the expense involved with using windows. Usually using such funny math as: XP at $300 + MS-Office at $350, etc. But, you can run OpenOffice on XP just as easially as Linux.
Still, the math is quite simple. $0 / 4 years = $0. $350/4 years = $87.5/year. Make that a lifetime (40 years), and the cost is $3500 vs. $0.
I've never seen anyone trying to add Office into such a mathpiece, but it would be relevant to add antivirus software. Using Windows without is
OEM Market (Score:2, Interesting)
No insult intended? (Score:2, Funny)
XP "Tax" (Score:3, Informative)
That figure is just plain wrong. On Pricewatch, an XP Home COA sells for $43, and I know for a fact that Dell or HP isn't paying as much for a COA as myself buying a single license on Pricewatch.
MS targeting vendors, not users (Score:3, Insightful)
The real target here is the beige box guys. there may be enough incentive for them to pay the MS tax now, rather than take the risk of preinstalling pirated copies on the PCs they sell.
The Russians Aren't Stupid (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The Same Reason I bought an XBOX (Score:5, Insightful)
At the same time, piracy is also fairly extensive in Russia. A study released by the Business Software Alliance and IDC in July said 97 percent of the software in Russia is pirated, a figure bested only by China, Vietnam, Ukraine and Indonesia. Critics, however, often assert that BSA figures tend to be on the high side.
If you are supplying a cheap OS to a large market who are known pirates... Will programmers for that OS not expect more pirating of their software?
The sad thing about this is Microsoft's goals. If it were to make money from their support services (the red hat model), I could tolerate it. However, this is just to get people "used" to their software. Flood the market with cheap goods and run the rest of the competition out of town.
Sad.
Windows XP: Air Gap Edition (Score:4, Insightful)
This is a good opportunity for $desktoplinuxdistribution to make inroads.
Re:The Same Reason I bought an XBOX (Score:4, Insightful)
i remember being horrified a few years ago when my father (now a retired secondary teacher) told me that the county had signed a deal to use windows and office exclusively. he has always been a mac user building stuff for pupils using filmaker pro, claris etc. but had to move to m$office as a result of the deal.
apart from the rather worrying idea of database theory being taught by getting students to create access databases it shows how indoctrination is and has always been the key to market dominance.
this is the same argument put forward in the recent film 'supersize me' and has been used by chocolate manufacturers for years.
and those candy cigarettes we used to get as kids?
Re:The Same Reason I bought an XBOX (Score:4, Insightful)
No, Microsoft new what they were doing - Starter Edition should be named Demo Edition.
Microsoft WINS money on deal (Score:2)
Re:The Same Reason I bought an XBOX (Score:3, Informative)
Who are these drug dealers and how do I meet them? Thanks.
Re:The Same Reason I bought an XBOX (Score:2, Funny)
Is this a new development in karma whoring?
Re:The Same Reason I bought an XBOX (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Average Income (Score:5, Interesting)