GNOME Foundation Elections Results Are In 158
PaaChhaa writes "The GNOME Foundation membership and elections committee has announced the preliminary results of this year's elections for the board of directors. There are a few new faces this year, and Miguel de Icaza, whose candidacy was rejected last year due to late submission, is back. The run up to this year's election saw a threat of boycott, which ultimately resulted in the online publication of the foundation's financial records. Also, a heated discussion followed the posting of the list of ten questions, and the opinions of the candidates and other foundation members on these issues can be found in the foundation-list archives for the months of November and December. A notable exclusion from this year's board is GNOME's release manager Jeff Waugh. who didn't run at all."
Sun employees (Score:2)
Re:Sun employees (Score:1)
Bill Haneman (85 votes) - Sun Microsystems
And he was a few places removed from the winners.
Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:2, Interesting)
Does this maybe mean that
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:1)
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:2)
Thats a shame, because someone definitely should. I use Gnome because I prefer it to KDE, but they aren't making it easy to justify that decision these days. GTK+ is a great toolkit, but Gnome has way too much politics.
Fork! Fork! Fork!
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:1)
your wish is my command...
[/genie voice]
http://www.goneme.org/ [goneme.org]
which seems to be down at the moment?
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:1)
Why?
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:2)
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:2)
http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/overview.
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:3, Informative)
NO, the board does NOT set the technical direction for GNOME.
Troll...?
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:2, Funny)
Troll...?
Oh heck yes. trolls definitely avoid the Sun. In Tolkien's stories, the sun would turn trolls (except Olog-hai) into stone.
Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (Score:2, Interesting)
- Has Sun been included or excluded from the board of directors? Sun is not there, there were not enough votes for any Sun member to win.
- http://foundation.gnome.org/about/charter/ used to say "GNOME Foundation will oversee the technical direction of GNOME." now http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/overview.ht m l says:
Partial List of Tasks of the Board of Directors
The Board of Directors must perform a broad set of both technical and
Mena (Score:4, Interesting)
Unexpected results (Score:4, Funny)
We told them not to use those Diebold Machines. You'd think Gnome would read Slashdot or something.
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No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2, Interesting)
Please, please take away spatial browsing. Noone I know wants it. Every time someone talks to me about their first foray into Linux(avec GNOME) they complain about it. They all hated it in Win95 and they don't want it now. They all leave with the impression that Naultilus( and by extendtion Linux) is, well, unusable. (They're only lusers, bless them.)
Seriously leave spatial
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:5, Insightful)
I really believe its time for HIG v2, so we can see if things are improving from the user perspective, or getting worse. Nautilus on the whole is VERY confusing to the users that I have introduced to it. Just try explaining why removing the toolbar is a good thing to any reasonably minded person. All you'll get is a blank stare.
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Are you being serious? I don't even think I've met anyone who has never used a computer before, let alone try to explain why buttons are good things.
Re:No More [Preconceptions] Please (Score:2)
Did you ever ask them if they'd rather not have buttons on their VCR at all?
Re:No More [Preconceptions] Please (Score:2, Insightful)
It does apply to everyone, because everyone sees it whenever they use a computer and try to access the filesystem.
Spatial Browsing, if implemented everywhere (including MS Windows and OSX), could become the new "preconception baggage", but it wouldn't be any better, because it's not really 'spatial'.
As currently implemented, Spatial Browsing replaces representing your filesystem as a hierarchical tree with representing your filesystem as a flood of windows which appear to be disconnected, but which actu
Re:No More [Preconceptions] Please (Score:2)
http://freshmeat.net/projects/xcruiser
Great fun but not very useful for browsing.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
The vast majority of people know of and have used a computer before. They have baggage from a previous use experience.
If the sole justification of a UI construct is "if you never used anything else before, it's easy," then it has failed. It has to be easy to new, intermediate, and advanced users. More so when it's something as central as the "thing that pops up when I click the icons on the desktop."
(full disclaimer, I actually like and think Spartial Nautilus is a
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
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Windows is very, very broken. There is no consistancy between apps. They're designed in large part by people who are, and I have no way to prove this other than the apps, completely insane or sadistic. I'm personally holding to the belief it is a mix of the two.
But, we have to understand and accept that the user will have some learned traits from using it. For example, if we put them in front of Enlightenment, the users will... Well.. Have you ever seen the movie "Scanners?"
But, if Enligh
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
I dont think the Spatial view "works" properly; Viewing the filesystem folders as seperate entities is fundamentally flawed, since a filesystem itself isnt really modelled on anything tangible. Then again the Explorer-style is just a bit more hassle than should be. Its a fine line really, I guess...
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:5, Interesting)
Still, I agree that the "new window for each folder" thing is a bad idea. Why not follow FireFox's success and go with a rocker/radial approach? Middle-click = open in new window, rclick + scrollup = up one level, stuff like that? Just have the context-menu list the rocker gestures and hotkeys alongside the command names.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
I can see where you're coming from, but in general I think that even the most complex apps benefit from simplicity and well groomed context functionality (context menus being one example).
The problem is that there are very few examples of well-groomed context menus. For examples of how far astray this can go, l
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
Seriously, I think radial-context-menus, if done properly (read: not like the awful ones in FireFox), could be the future.
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And while the majority of people seem to not want this as an option, I quite like it, especially after learning a few tricks.
Tricks, in case anyone wants:
Double middle-click on a folder to open that one and close the current folder
Control+Shift+W to close all parent folders
Control+Q to exit out of all nautilus windo
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:1)
So why the heck they put 2 toolbars on the screen one on top and one on buttom. Why developers assume that anybody has a 19 inch monitor?
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
The throuble really is that spatial only works on very flat directory trees, there however it works great. I for one loved the spatial nature of Workbench back then on the Amiga, it made perfect sense there since directories where always pretty flat, after all I didn't had a HD, just a single floppy drive and directories where basically never deeper then two levels.
Today on a PC however its much more throublesome, the wh
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
This was forced on us as if it were some fantastic innovation. Its not, at the very least put those items in the View menu of the spacial Nautilus so we can turn that stuff back on, there's nothing wrong with it and without them it makes it harder to navigate. Simpler isn't always better.
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It should just _work_. Not offering multiple ways of doing things and adding hundreds of options. Mozilla Suite vs Firefox should be reason enough to show that people DON'T like LOTS of loads of options.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
If it showed that people didn't like having options, Firefox wouldn't have very many extensions.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
This especially bites when using automounted directories, as the directory I want to go to WON'T EXIST until I try to go to it - thus there IS no entry to click on in the new Gnome File Selector.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:1)
This especially bites when using automounted directories, as the directory I want to go to WON'T EXIST until I try to go to it - thus there IS no entry to click on in the new Gnome File Selector.
Just press Ctrl-L and type the location. Quite easy, isn't it?
As a matter of fact, GTK+ offers the two file browser widgets. It's up to the developer to choose which one she'll use in her app. I've moved all my software to the new one, and everyone I've asked thinks it's an improvement over the older code.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
As for Ctrl-L, it seems needless to add an extra step to what I could already do before. If they recognize that some people will want to type in the path, why in Goddess' name should they impose an extra keyboard press? Surely they could include the rest of the improved interface as it is, but not req
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:4, Insightful)
For all the Gnome guys seem to love these human interface guidelines, they seem to forget the single biggest item when making a GUI:
Any item the user is to be able to manipulate should be represented on the UI
Every time they fail to follow that, and every time they get called on it, they come up with some "Well, just press CTRL-ALT-META-LSHIFT-Q to enable that".
So a user is to pour over the documentation, reading every bit of it to find all these key combinations that are NOT indicated on the UI itself.
And this, somehow, is going to make it easier for the non-31337 user to use...
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:1)
Hey, I do agree with you on that. Actually I also agree with the documentation point. I was recently implementing drag and drop on one of my programs and found the lack of documentation a bit frustrating, ended up looking at how other programs did it (gedit, some GTK+ examples, etc). The good news is that you can contribute to the project and make a difference :)
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:1)
Spatial Nautilus isn't perfect, but it's improved in 2.8. It's not easy to adjust to it after years of hierarchical file browsing, but after using it for a few months, trying the old way feels just as uncomfortable as the original transition. If you don't want to try it, go ahead and turn it off. Just don't get mad about what they choose for the defaults if you refuse to even look at the merits of the decision.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:1)
Right-O, that's obvious.
Now, I use it all the time. I didn't like the spatial thing, but I wanted to see whether they were right all along.
I'm still out on the issue, but it hasn't been a real winner for me so far
One question, and maybe everyone knows but me: in Windows at least (and maybe it originated on Mac) if I have a list of files, I can Ctrl-Click them and highlight many. Or, I can click on one and shift
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please-Shift-Click. (Score:1)
I was about to ask what exactly you were smoking, and then I decided to experiment: I didn't pick the first couple (with control) and then use control-shift to pick the remainders, I just used shift.
That worked.
It's still not perfect (or I'm missing more details, likely at this point): if I want to highlight two different lines of things, I don't have *that* option (because holding control makes the "select an additional dude" logic fire, whereas I would like *both*
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:1)
Yea, it's probably not the best way that can be accomplished. But, at least they have it! I've never used nor heard of a feature like that before, so seeing it implemented in a way that I *think* could be done better doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Thanks a lot. Thanks to you and the other commentor, my file managing just got a lot easier.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
No, because that requires me to know the WHOLE PATH AND FILENAME.
/foo/var/baz, but I do not know the name. Give me a damn file selector, then let ME type in /foo/var/baz, and then SHOW ME WHAT IS IN THAT DIRECTORY."
I cannot say "Look, I know it is in
Again, your post is a great example of what is WRONG with the current GNOME developer's mindset - "Gosh I am so smart that I know how you want to use your computer, and I don't even NEED to ask
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
I know they improve it with every version of GTK+ so maybe you haven't used the latest one?
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
While I can see how that impression could be made, it is more flexible than that, allowing you to type in a directory, open it, and THEN be presented with the file chooser window in that directory. Still not ideal, but not as bad as you made it sound.
Unfortunately I have to agree with
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:4, Interesting)
### I can't understand why they won't even offer the old one as an option, except that it would mean admitting that they might be wrong.
They follow more or less the principal of doing it right, instead of flooding the screen with options. And as basically everybody will agree the old dialog was just plain awfull (beside the tab-completion, which was really good), so I think they prefered to dump it completly to have it finally dead, instead of dragging it around for another few releases. Until they get proper typeahead implemented, it will be of course a bit painfull, since 'Ctrl-L' is really a rather ugly hack, however it gets the job done and the dialog is already much more pleasent to use with the mouse, so the damage isn't that big and time will most likly fix the rest.
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
### If users are feeling overwhelmed by options, it's generally a sign that the choices have been poorly presented, not that there are too many of them.
Depends on the options, w
Spatial browsing and the Mac Finder (Score:2, Interesting)
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Re:Spatial browsing and the Mac Finder (Score:1)
Yes, that's what happens, on an arcitectual level, but the average user isn't on that level. The thing about spatial browsing is that a single folder goes together with a single window. [The folder] and [its window with its contents and metadata] is one and the same thing. This is very logical to the user -- when he opens a physical folder, he can see the documents within the folder. He cannot open two folders and find the same d
Re:Spatial browsing and the Mac Finder (Score:2)
So, let's go back to the statement we are arguing about:
Let me get this straight: The Finder shows the user something differently from what happens at the file-system level, so it's not an abstraction of the file system? I
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:3, Informative)
In Gnome2.8.1 there is a easy to reach option to switch back to the normal non-spatial browsing behaviour, so no more gconf searching for the right option. About making it default, its of course questionable, however spatial has its benefits when your directory structures are flat, which it most likly will be for most new users, rest of the users shouldn't have much throu
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
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The whole affair with spatial Nautilus is quite interesting. And I do not mean simply the way how it affects the users, but what it tells about the developement-policy. I mean, Gnome radically changed the way the user interacts with his files. And they did that in a minor (2.x ==> 2.y) release. And it seems that many users hate the change.
OTOH, in KDE they faced so
Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (Score:2)
Who likes it? I'm a Linux user since 1996, and I like spatial
Executive Summary (Score:2, Funny)
In Netcraft, KDE is dying. (Confirmed).
In Korea, only old people elect gnomes.
In Japan, talking robot gnomes are elected.
In Soviet Russia, gnome elects YOU!
Any questions?
Re:Executive Summary (Score:1)
Re:Executive Summary (Score:1)
What Would OOG Do?
You forgot Roving Garden Gnomes. (Score:2)
chuckle (Score:4, Funny)
I think it is safe to say I am closer to legally blind than anyone on
the board, or running for it. That's unique, right?
My question for Slashdot customer service: Can I find this mildly funny, or does that make me some sort of Gnome Foundation fanboy...
Re:chuckle (Score:2)
However, you would be a fanboy if GWB ran for the Gnome Foundation Board, and won, and you were still pleased with the results.
Voting irregularities (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Voting irregularities (Score:2, Funny)
Look at the eerie similarities:
# inexplicable, irrational, vitriolic loathing of each other
# the end user can't really tell any difference between them
Yup, sounds like two dominant political parties to me. All we need now is a winner-takes-all voting system and game theory ensures they'll be entrenched forever.
Re:Voting irregularities (Score:2)
You do realize that the actual project participants mostly get along just fine, and it's mostly just the users who do the flamewar thing?
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Re:Voting irregularities (Score:2, Funny)
Are you kidding?
It's possible to distinguish Gnome and KDE quite easily by looking at the tips that appear when you first start them up.
KDE: "Did you know? Right-click on any file and select CERVISIA to frobnicate the CVS flibdijibble flooble blargh foo."
Gnome: "Did you know? Eating solid food is almost as easy as sucking Mommy's milk!"
Elections? (Score:2, Interesting)
The person who contributes the most stable code get to be CTO, the one who got the most companies to pony up $$$ is CFO, and the one who can listen to the most complaints without going crazy becomes CEO!
Just my vote!
Re:Elections? (Score:3, Funny)
And the one who doesn't contribute anything, whines the most, and is generally the most clueless can be selected as chief legal council!
Yes, I have a thing against lawyers...
Re:Elections? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Elections? (Score:1)
Besides, as long as everyone's votes are made in a thoughtful manner, then, theoretically, the talents of the individuals who are best at the above tasks will be elected to the positions on their merits.
Re:Elections? (Score:2)
Approval voting with multiple winners (Score:2, Insightful)
The best part is we still win . . . (Score:5, Insightful)
All of the traffic simply brings more review, attention and organization to the GNOME Foundation & GNOME Development.
It's not a negative, it's a positive, either way they both push us forward towards our goals
sage francis - sick of waging war - 01 - radio commercial intro
Re:The best part is we still win . . . (Score:2)
Looks like it was written by a robot.
"It's not a negative?" What's not a negative? Who said it was a negative? What are you smoking?
In related news... (Score:3, Funny)
GNOME community almost as big as Java? (Score:2)
GNOME: 324 registered voters, 183 votes cast, dominated by Red Hat and Novell. Sun almost got a seat.
JCP: 755 registered voters, 221 votes cast, Google, JBoss, and Intel edge out Novell. Sun has a permanent seat and Red Hat didn't run, despite their interest in Java.
Gnome 2.10?? (Score:1)
Doesn't he mean Gnome 3.0? Or 2.9.2 or something?
Someone help me out on how version numbers go.
Re:Gnome 2.10?? (Score:1)
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mono? (Score:1)
With Novell guys all the rage through the list, i wonder if mono [project-mono.com] will finally get into Linux desktops?
As you may well know, it's an open-source implementation of publicly available and ECMA-standardized Microsoft's .Net API + plus a few more.
Re:slashdot is... (Score:2)
Fill in the blank:
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the _________"
thank you for playing.
Re:slashdot is... (Score:4, Funny)
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Why is it that the majority of managers have no clue how to solve the problems they are supposed to be working on. Why is it that a guy with a Marketing Degree is in charge of a team of programmers.
I wonder if it is just me finding lousy companies with no futures to work at, or if this is common.
Re:slashdot is... (Score:1)
Seriously, I was drinking milk.
Precipitate (Score:2)
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My observation, on the other hand, is that outbursts such as yours are most certainly part of the noise. If you don't like it here, leave. If you decide to stay, why not demonstrate your maturity and intelligence by trying to promot