Sprint Close to Buying Nextel 256
NateDawg writes "After the recent merger of AT&T and Cingular, it looks like Sprint is close to buying out Nextel. According to CNet, the different networks could bring expensive problems, but that could be overcome by the diversity of the company's clients. Nextel has many corporate clients, while Sprint appeals to families and teens."
I don't know how it is in the rest of the world... (Score:5, Interesting)
Things always tend to change after a company is bought; i hope they stay doing good.
Re:I don't know how it is in the rest of the world (Score:2)
Nextel offers the best service for me as well (Michigan). I can get service in the middle of lakes near Coldwater where my other various uncles/grandparents/etc cannot get a signal at all. The walkie-talkie feature is by far the best with Nextel. The only bad thing about Nextel really is the ticking noise you near in nearby unshielded speakers even when you aren't using the phone. If anything remotely changes for the worst, I will absolutely be cancelling my service, because I really do not want to be pay
Re:I don't know how it is in the rest of the world (Score:2)
Re:I don't know how it is in the rest of the world (Score:2)
The phones aren't *huge* but they aren't as unusably tiny as some others you can get from other providers, no. What do you want? Phones you can accidently swallow (queue futurama reference)?
I don't think I've ever gotten a dropped call or reception bad enough that I couldn't hear the other person. Its really good for the rural areas too, I think Nextel has the furthest reaching signals and from what I understand, their real big with the farmers. Sprint and Nextel is still a match made in hell though, but
We'll see ... (Score:5, Insightful)
If you think Cingular/ATT is a bloodbath, wait till you see this one.
Divergent technologies, different networks, and completely different corporate philosophies.
Nextel caters to the business user (not typically the white-collar CEO types, but more of the blue-collar type) and it's great for that.
Sprint basically picks up the leftovers that VZW & Cingular don't want (those with iffy credit ratings
Yeah, good luck. Match made in heaven, really.
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
Re:We'll see ... (Score:4, Interesting)
If they want to act as one, they'll have to pick a technology and run with it.
This merger is just a me-too because of Cingular/ATT
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
Cingular's phones are definitely cool, but only on the high end. The low end cool phones are completely cornered by Sprint. Also Sprint and Verizon's handsets are FAR more reliable, as they wil
T-Mobile (Score:2)
I don't know where you're from, but I'm guessing you're not in Southern California. Right now, T-Mobile has one of the best networks out here. It was like night and day when I moved from AT&T TDMA to T-Mobile GSM.
I don't know how things are going to be once Cingular and T-Mobile comb apart their networks, bu
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
Technologies be damned they are buying into a completely seperate market and thats a smart thing to do right now. I have had sprint for 5 years and have never had a problem with the service. I have had one problem with a phone that they let me return.
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
Sprint will take anybody. Of course, their "pay up front for the phone" approach generally keeps the worst non-payers away.
I've used both services, and they're definitely for different people and different circumstances. If Sprint pulls off this merger, they're going to be able to offer something to everyone. Whether they completely scre
Re:We'll see ... (Score:4, Interesting)
Nextel caters to self absorbed individuals who think 'getting their work done' is so importatnt that they can walkie talkie their converstation anywhere and everywhere. Blasting their two-way conversation to everyone in the area. Even when they are driving alone, you'll pass them as they drive 10 miles under the speed limit in the fast lane hunchbacked over the steering wheel conversing with their Nextel walkie-talkie. I put Nextel users who behave this wasy one step above SPAMMERS and smokers.
Re:We'll see ... (Score:3, Informative)
In addition, Nextel's PTT (dunno about Verizon's) can be used for group communication, where one person sends a message to multiple people, which can be used to get a response from first available, or just to get a message out to many scattered workers. This is e
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
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And I hate Nextel for the push to talk feature. The connect / disconnect beeps for EVERY little statement drives me nuts from across the room. I also don't need to hear one side of the conversation, never mind both. This seems to cater to people that can't have a normal conversation, and to those that crank up the
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
It's fashionable to beep. Nextel wants exactly the attention you describe. Would their phones get noticed if they weren't annoying as hell? It's the same as instant messaging with the boop-beep and beep-boop with every damn message. When I was in college, I could have thrown a chair at the instant messengers. And they didn't have a care in the world.
Re:We'll see ... (Score:2)
"pay up front for the phone"?? Where are you buying your equipment? Oh, wait, you're in Iowa aren't you.. yeah.. Iowa isn't actually Sprint, it's some partner that supplies Sprint with the service, and they don't provide instant rebates. Virtually everywhere else in the country you get anywhere from $150 to $290 off each phone with activation...
Credit Raitings and Cingular? Yeah Right! (Score:2)
In 2003, AT&T Wireless One upp'ed and brought out the GoPhone service -- Prepaid w/automatic debit. I got the one w/Wireless Internet.
Now, in 2004, AT&T Cingular are one, and my GoPhone service is little more than a renamed Take Charge service.
My credit? Shot.
Re:Credit Raitings and Cingular? Yeah Right! (Score:2)
Re:Credit Raitings and Cingular? Yeah Right! (Score:2)
No, he's saying he was dumb enough to do anything automatic-debit. Giving any company access to a checking account for anything but deposits is just insanely stupid. It is not convenient--it is downright stupid. Why? Because they make mistakes. Where is your money? They have it. How to get it back? Sue us. Suddenly $0.37 for a stamp doesn't look so bad.
Re:Credit Raitings and Cingular? Yeah Right! (Score:2)
To their credit, with a couple of days, State Farm had put the money back, plus my bounced check charges and late rent penalty. They even faxed a letter to my landlord saying it was all their fault. But still, it shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Re:Credit Raitings and Cingular? Yeah Right! (Score:2)
Yes, this is to their credit, but I can imagine plenty of companies who will just hold on to the money. For example, my old cell phone company kept billing me for months after cancellation--I dread what would have happened if they got the money directly (I think this is actually part of their business model). I'm sure getting the money back from a hospital or nursing home would be like squeezing blood out of a rock. Add lawyer
Re:We'll see ... (Score:3, Informative)
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The initial deployment, however, was very problematic. The system worked off of Citrix clients, and they did not spec the right hardware to handle the approx. 4000+ users they needed to handle. It has improv
Misprint (Score:5, Funny)
This sentence should read: "According to CNet, the different networks could bring expensive problems, but that could be overcome by making the customers pay through the nose"
wall st (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.phonescoop.com/ [phonescoop.com]
Re:wall st (Score:5, Funny)
Nextel and the art of communication (Score:2, Interesting)
More on this here [adl.org]
Re:Nextel and the art of communication (Score:2)
Re:Nextel and the art of communication (Score:4, Informative)
An independent dealer issued the advertising materials and Nextel acted quickly to cut relations with them and stop the advertisements.
telco dreams (Score:2)
"It's a bad deal, that won't work, but we'll be passing those savings on to our customers!"
Sure! Diversity will solve the structural problems (Score:2)
I swear I hear one more thing about diversity overcoming problems, I'll wring someone's neck.
Diversity solves monopoly problems. (Score:2)
What about the technology? (Score:2)
Consolidate is expected, plus Nextel Phones rock (Score:4, Insightful)
The thing I love about Nextel are their phones. From a developers [J2ME] perspective, the are very easy to work with (except for webjal). Specifically, their iDen network and their programming APIs allow access to the GPS functionality of the phone. The i730 has a complete programmers' guide available for download from the Motorla site. Can't wait to get my hands on their latest camera phone to see if you can programatically control the camera. Then you could snap a pic and tag the info with the GPS coordinates.
Additionally, they [Nextel] have a nice developers site. Downside is that I find Nextel converage to be much worse than Verizon, so I ended up needing a Verizon phone for actual talking and a Nextel one for fun development.
Re:Consolidate is expected, plus Nextel Phones roc (Score:2)
It's a pretty nice phone to. You're supposed to be able to activate download apps via an iFUN transaction (buying a J2ME app via the wap deck, as from cellma
Re:Consolidate is expected, plus Nextel Phones roc (Score:2)
Re:Consolidate is expected, plus Nextel Phones roc (Score:2)
It will also work in various parts of Latin America and a few other places.
Re:Which is a durable cell phone to get? (Score:2)
As a sprint user... (Score:2)
I kind of like the idea of merging with nextel. Maybe this will eventually make it so I can have one of the memory chips that allows me to transfer my account/number/phone memory right to another phone just like Nextel. Right now, I cannot do that with Sprint, which makes it a hassle and a $35 cost to activate a new phone.
But thing that irritates me the most about Nextel phones is that people feel it is a good idea to carry out entire conversations with the radio feature...STOP IT!!! And if more people
Re:As a sprint user... (Score:2)
Re:As a sprint user... (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, minutes for 2 way come from a pool shared by all phones on the plan, usually. People tend to use 2 way because their boss (who likely pays for their phone) doesn't see who's using 2 way on the bill, but if you call someone using the cell phone it shows up itemized on the bill and he'll say "who the hell were you talking to for 65 minutes during work that day?"
Re:As a sprint user... (Score:2)
Actually, that was precisely the point I was making. 2-way minutes generally come out of a common pool, while regular calls come out of minutes assigned to each phone. People have a tendency to use the 2-way because 2-way time use isn't itemized on the bill, while cell calls are.
Re:As a sprint user... (Score:2)
Re:As a sprint user... (Score:2)
As a longtime Nextel user I have also never been able to move the chip to the new phone, even on the exact same model. Apparantly it has something to do with the way the #'s are recorded in their billing system or some junk. Thankfully they have always transferred all of my data to the new phone for free.
Re:As a sprint user... (Score:2)
Re:I Think You're Mistaken (Score:2)
Well, I have not transfered a phone for almost 2 years now, but previous to that I have done it twice. And I am 100% sure that the $35 is not for new service only. Even when the replacement phone was an "equipment replacement" phone that I got for free when my first phone died, I had to pay the $35 fee. It is in the equipment replacement contract that I had.
That said, I have not done it for a couple years so it may be different now. It sure seems silly to charge an existing customer to switch phones...
Virgin Mobile (Score:2)
NEXTEL is my cheapest option (Score:2)
Re:NEXTEL is my cheapest option (Score:2)
Re:NEXTEL is my cheapest option (Score:2)
Re:NEXTEL is my cheapest option (Score:2)
UK system (Score:2)
Re:NEXTEL is my cheapest option (Score:2)
From the post:
As it stands now, my minutes are tapped only for outgoing calls made on the weekday during the day.
Nextel's spectrum only useable by IDEN tech? (Score:2, Interesting)
The 800Mhz frequencies Nextel uses are the leftovers from the SMR group with channel spacing of 25Khz and are shared with Public Safety and Heavy Industrial (like utilities). It's not a clean contiguous block of spectrum like the PCS carriers have.
This must be a consolidation of companies for other reasons...
All these mergers and one that I wish would happen (Score:2)
Verizon's InNetwork is the best in my opinion. Free calls all the time to Verizon customers. What we need is a monopoly by Verizon so that all my calls will be free. :o)
Let's get something accurate first... (Score:3, Informative)
Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
Nokia phones are the lowest reliability phones on the market. They are literally the crappiest phones you can buy. If they "treatet you well," I would hate to see what treats you poorly.
Sprint also has had a PTT solution similar to Nextels for over a year now. Eh.
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
Sprint did not offer real SMS until the beginning of 2004. Prior to 2004, all of Sprint's messaging was implemented via a web-based product called shortmail. All Sanyo phones through the 8100 and all Samsung phones through the a620 were shortmail phones.
Shortmail is a sub-optimal messaging solution because it is slow and the implementation is unnecessarily complex. Shortmail is a pain to support: troubleshooting involves verification of access to the Vision network (a properly provisioned device, succes
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
Shortmail was used concurrently with Sprints SMS service. There was no web-based product that was required to be used, regardless of whether you were using shortmail or sms; it was transparent to the user.
Regardless of the complexity of the back end authentication, the user experience was that of being able to send and receive SMS messages, and the user has been able to do that for the past several years. So the original posters premise is totally false
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
It is absolutely not transparent to the user. If I send him SMS he has to sit there and wait for 5 minutes for the slow WAP site. Strangely if I send him an email to xxxxxxxxxx@messaging.sprintpcs.com it goes straight to his phone, but he cannot reply.
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
You don't know where to begin because you're clueless on the subject. Prior to two-way SMS, there was one-way SMS which was Mobile Terminated only, meaning that messages could not be sent from the device and could not be replied to, and there was Shortmail. Shortmail is "two way", but relies on a web interface. You may not believe this, but I know it to be a fact. Why do you suppose the Shortmail Inbox is accessible from the Vision Home Page? Why is it that a device that is unable to authenticate to AAA (e
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
It's too bad all the other networks that Nokia makes good phones for suck ass.
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
Sprint's Sanyo 8100 and 8200 have been great to me, though.
Re:Sprint will destroy Nextel (Score:2)
all sanyo needs is megapixel+ cameras, and bluetooth (especially with something besides just headset mode.. sigh) and they will absolutely rock.
This would be cool. NOT! (Score:2)
It would be cool if all software companies merge into one huge software company.
It would be cool if all automobile companies merge into one huge automobile company.
It would be cool if all toy companies merge into one huge toy company.
Apply the above four to all other types of industries.
Then, it would be cool if all the resulting huge companies merge into one really, really, really huge company that does ever
COOOL! (Score:2)
Here's how this will work. (Score:5, Insightful)
So, Sprint/Qualcomm came up with a competing alternative to Direct Connect called ReadyLink, but it's not anywhere near as useful as Direct Connect because there aren't nearly as many other people who have it.
So in the short term, what Sprint is going to do is to make changes on the network side to allow Sprint phones to walkie-talkie with Nextel phones. That will effectively instantly make more valuable both Nextel's phones and Sprint's phone.
In the longer term, Nextel is going to have to move to new spectrum that the FCC has given them due to Nextel phones interfering with emergency vehicle communication. Because of this, they will have to move customers to new phones. So since they have to move their network and swap out their customers' phones anyway, there is no reason that they wouldn't just take the opportunity to move to the significantly more efficient, flexible, and forwards-compatible CDMA 1xRTT (and soon EV-DO high-speed data) standard (that Sprint just happens to run on.
Bingo. Now it begins to make sense, eh?
Where is the money coming from? (Score:2)
Re:Where is the money coming from? (Score:2)
Re:Where is the money coming from? (Score:2)
Re:Where is the money coming from? (Score:2)
Re:Where is the money coming from? (Score:2)
Link Nextel PTT with Sprint PTT (ReadyLink)? (Score:2)
What did I expect, it is only available to people if they purchase one of only 4 Sanyo phones.
Re:Link Nextel PTT with Sprint PTT (ReadyLink)? (Score:2)
Samsung is adding Ready Link to its line. If I remember correctly, the SPH-a760 [samsung.com] will be the first device to include the feature.
Re:Link Nextel PTT with Sprint PTT (ReadyLink)? (Score:2)
"chirp" is a feature that all the kids want now.
Nextel, NASCAR? (Score:2, Interesting)
Trevor
Re:Nextel, NASCAR? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nextel, NASCAR? (Score:2)
NYT had an interesting tidbit on this - (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:NYT had an interesting tidbit on this - (Score:2)
Damnit, The first thing to go is competition (Score:2)
greater detail (Score:2, Informative)
Sprint-Nextel deal talk sparks vendor concern
By Sinead Carew, Reuters
NEW YORK, Dec 10 (Reuters) - The prospect of a deal between Sprint and Nextel Communications sparked concerns on Friday about a shrinking U.S. market for mobile network equipment, sending shares of Nextel's key supplier Motorola Inc. down almost 8 percent.
Sprint Corp. is in advanced negotiations to buy Nextel Communications Inc. for more than $36 billion in a most
Verizon to buy Sprint, kill Nextel (Score:2)
Does this mean ... (Score:2)
Push to talk
sprint vs. nextel (Score:2)
Nextel's network sucks, Nextel's telephone service sucks, and Sprint's ReadyLink works a lot better (albeit somewhat differently) than DirectConnect.
What about T-Mobile? (Score:2)
Re:Buiing companies to grow (Score:4, Interesting)
When the Bell Atlantic/GTE/AirTouch/PrimeCo merger was announced, it made lots of sense.
For the most part, the technology was the same, and there was little coverage overlap. They basically took 4 companies -- a Northeast, South, West, and Southwest company, and made them one.
Cingular/ATT is all overlap, but at least similar technology.
Nextel/Sprint is even worse..... It's all overlap, and completely different technologies.
Re:Buiing companies to grow (Score:2)
They're overlapping, and yet completely different, huh? 8)
In all seriousness, this is really exactly what Sprint needs. Their primary problem right now is that they don't have any low-freq spectrum space, they only have stuff in the PCS range. Nextel has stuff in the 800/900 MHz range. So, yeah, it will take a year or two to migrate the cells (and Nextel customers) from iDEN to CDMA, but Sprint is already doing the 1xRTT -> 1xEV-DO/DV transition,
This just in: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:capitalism (Score:2)
Then you go on to say "Reduced profits = lower price per share", which is, of course, not true except in economics theory - due to speculation. Which you then decry yourself in your following sentences. You can't even read your own post for sensibility!
By the end of your ramble, you've drifted so far from your brief con
Re:capitalism (Score:2)
It shows on how naive and smart you think you are.
Re:Which cellular tech.in Japan? (Re:network type) (Score:2)
Check out the Samsung i790. It's a combination CDMA/GSM phone. You can pretty much use it anywhere they use CDMA (South Korea, Canada, US, parts of China, Taiwan, Thailand, Israel, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, India....there's a lot of them [cdg.org]), then you can use in GSM mode in all the other countries. Pretty cool.
Re:Does me no good (Score:2)
In southeastern Michigan Nextel's rural coverage cannot be beat. For example, when I'm out at the lake (20 miles from civilization outside the lake itself) I can still get 3-4 bars with Nextel, but my Sprint phone will lose all reception during the beginning of my drive out there, when I'm still 15 miles from the lake (ie, 5 miles from civilization). In my personal experience this also seems to be true throughout the state, but it could simply be that they are "the carrier" for this area.
Went back to outsourcing (Score:2)
Re:Well, there goes the neighborhood (Score:2)
Re:Well, there goes the neighborhood (Score:2)