
Household Emergent Behavior? 359
Sam Pullara asks: "I got an IM from my Mom today telling me that she couldn't find her Roomba. It somehow had escaped the kitchen and she couldn't find it anywhere, all the doors that it could reach were shut and she checked under everything. She eventually found that it had gotten into a room and closed the door behind it. Once all household items are networked I wonder if a rich environment like a house will make strange behavior like this commonplace? Will the interactions between all the individual devices create something more than the sum of their parts?"
Obligatory bash.org reference (Score:5, Funny)
I just couldn't help but think of that. :) (#5273 [bash.org])
And BTW, if I may say so, your mother's quite cool if she has a Roomba and knows how to use IMs. I can't imagine mine ever doing either.
lost hardware (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:lost hardware (Score:5, Funny)
"For the love of God, Montressor!"
Re:lost hardware (Score:3, Funny)
Re:lost hardware (Score:3, Funny)
They gave it a network connection.
Nevermore! (Score:3, Funny)
Re:lost hardware (Score:5, Informative)
By the way, it was a Novell Netware server, not a unix.
pol
Re:lost hardware (Score:3, Informative)
urban myth (Score:3, Interesting)
Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:urban myth (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:urban myth (Score:3, Interesting)
Taswegia (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:urban myth (Score:3, Interesting)
This happened in a government department in Australia. One section (might have been finance) was all Macintosh with models ranging from Mac II to LCIII. They were networked with Appletalk over Localtalk. This was several years ago, before Ethernet was cheap and ubiquitous. They all connected back to a Mac fileserver for basic filesharing. They had a server room but it was designed for a VAX and it was located ov
Re:lost hardware (Score:3, Insightful)
I'll have revenge upon man pages and info()
Smile in his face I'll say "come let us go
I've a livecd of gentoo"
Sheltered inside from the buffer overflow
Follow me now to the root dir below
Playing with wine as we laugh at the 8mime
Which is causing the mail to be slow
(What are these ipchains that are blinding my server farm?)
Fragmented packets die each passing day
(Say it's mount -t vfat and I'll hdparm)
You'll feel your spam slipping away
You who are rich and
Re:lost function (Score:3, Interesting)
Then comes the exciting part when you start unplugging all the cables you think aren't in use and downing the machines that should be redu
Re:Obligatory bash.org reference (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Obligatory bash.org reference (Score:3, Interesting)
In the Finnish military (a conscription army [wikipedia.org]) there have been several cases of camouflaging military vehicles so well it has taken hours or some times days to find them. Granted, camouflage is all about hiding stuff, but you wouldn't expect not to find it yourself afterwards
(I also know from personal experience that with a little time and care you can even camouflage a vehicle so well it'll be virtually invisible from 30 feet away... the trick is to make it look l
Re:Obligatory bash.org reference (Score:3, Funny)
Of Course. (Score:2, Insightful)
It's just a machine though, whatever we build.
Re:Of Course. (Score:3, Funny)
Not just machines (Score:5, Insightful)
Humans personify almost everything they come into contact with. It doesn't have to be close contact either.
One of Humanity's biggest curiosities is about humanity. It is perhaps the biggest. The question of humanity is the basis of almost all art. We study animals, and end up teaching dolphins how to use computers, and gorillas how to use sign language. We are constantly looking for the being that can explain us to us: a god, aliens, both, neither, some dude who lost himself on a mountain, and in recent history robots. Maybe if we can consciously build a sentient being from the ground up, we can learn why we are from it. Or maybe if it becomes sentient on its own, it can tell us what it was like, passing in that moment from the mundane into the sublime.
If and when emergent behavior happens, it will be sometime possibly long after we call it emergent behavior. We want it to happen... maybe just to get a perspective that isn't human.
*honk*
haha (Score:3, Funny)
Re:haha (Score:3, Informative)
prank (Score:5, Funny)
Re:prank (Score:5, Funny)
It was timed to flash just outside what I estimate the tipping point of boredom for people whose eye caught one of its flashes.
Coupled with the obsessive engineers who noticed it, it was both hilarious and -- instructive.
Now, I suppose, I would design it with a cadmium sulfide resistor so that the flashing interval would increase if it noticed less ambient light, which might happen if a head were close to discovering it.
Re:prank (Score:4, Funny)
alive (Score:2, Funny)
Are you sure that it wasn't your dad that put in the closet?
Is this story slashtod worthy?
Re:alive (Score:2)
I fail to understand the meaning of that question. :)
wait for the first network devices virus (Score:5, Funny)
Three rules safe. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Three rules safe. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Three rules safe. (Score:3, Funny)
"Is it moving?" might be a good place to start the if statements.
Then, "Is it making noise?"
If so, "Is it waving a torch at my sensors?" or "...shooting me with its puny projectile weapons?" or "...wriggling and squishy when I step on it?" are logical next steps.
Re:Three rules safe. (Score:2)
Re:Three rules safe. (Score:3, Funny)
I think you're misunderstanding the point of the Three Laws. I've been really, really
The Humanoids (Score:3, Insightful)
Some of the problems with Asimov's laws of robotics were quite apparent even back in the '40s. The first law is especially difficult : "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot that attempted to strictly follow the first law would, for instance, keep taking away your cigarettes. See Jack Williamson's The Humanoids [amazon.com] -- a 1949 novel in which humanoid robots following Asimovian guidelines ("To serve and obey, and guard men from harm") keep an enti
Re:Three rules safe. (Score:3, Insightful)
We need more than just 3 laws... we need an easy to use and unstoppable kill switch.
Re:Three rules safe. (Score:3, Informative)
In the UK TV series Robot Wars (some of you may have seen), every robot had to have a kill swich which simply cut power. It had to be accessible to any crew member within 10 seconds of reaching the robot, without putting your hand in the way of any wheels or weaponry.
All robots should have one regardless of purpose.
How do you do that? (Score:4, Interesting)
"1. Robots must never harm human beings or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm."
What constitutes harm? If we have a robot that can grab things, but shouldn't grab people because it could hurt them, what happens if someone near it is going to fall if it doesn't grab him? Does it make a difference if it's the roof of a building, or the top of a sofa? People can die by falling from either. Even in the latter case, where death has a far lower probability, serious injury may occur.
The laws are actually more like the spirits of laws. Drafting the letters of those laws is somewhat more complex than programming a robot to vacuum a room.
Re:How do you do that? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Three rules safe. (Score:4, Interesting)
Just.. (Score:5, Funny)
So... (Score:4, Insightful)
Tinfoil much?
Re:So... (Score:4, Funny)
Somehow you managed to jump to the conclusion that it's going to start plotting against you or something?
It's funny you should mention that. Last night, some woman named Sarah Connor called me to come get my Roomba from her front porch.
Emergent behaviour (Score:4, Interesting)
Nevertheless, the possibilities are endless what could happen when you locked a bunch of roombas, some cardea segway-style bots, some aibos and and some humanoid robots in your house.
Emergent behaviour means the group could end up behaving in a systematic, apparently intelligent original way that had not been programmed into a single of them.
It doesn't mean they'd gang up to punish you for abusing them, though.
Segways Run Amok (Score:3, Informative)
Meh (Score:3, Interesting)
Moving on though. While all these different tech's in the house could get very very strange... I think the news article has it about right. We will get to the point in which everything is networked togethere, then there really wont be any "odd" behaviors or interactions.
Re:Meh (Score:3, Funny)
Computer! (Score:5, Funny)
Lt. Commander Data is on the Hollodeck.
Re:Computer! (Score:4, Funny)
Actually, he's in the ship's third grade classroom.
at 2:14am (Score:3, Funny)
Re:at 2:14am (Score:5, Funny)
Thus restoring balance to the Universe--one machine goes into the closet, and another comes out.
I've got some bad news for you (Score:4, Funny)
Oh, and some other bad news, it's probably hereditary.
Emergent bugs instead of features. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Free iPod? Try a free Mac Mini [freeminimacs.com]
Wired article as proof [wired.com]
Re:Emergent bugs instead of features. (Score:2, Funny)
Dialogue (Score:5, Funny)
Roomba: "No dissasemble!"
OK that sucked.
What's that saying? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What's that saying? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What's that saying? (Score:2)
Re:What's that saying? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What's that saying? (Score:2)
Re:What's that saying? (Score:3, Funny)
OK then, you're my dumbass.
[losing karma] (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What's that saying? (Score:2)
Re:What's that saying? (Score:3, Funny)
Never ascribe to intelligence what can be explained by mere randomness.
Red States:
Anything that cannot be explained must be attributed to a greater intelligence.
Maybe, just maybe?... (Score:2, Interesting)
I don't believe this (Score:5, Interesting)
You know what this means (Score:2, Insightful)
Did You Hear That? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Did You Hear That? (Score:2)
Ew.
Read Marshall Brain's Manna story... (Score:2)
Uppity Machines (Score:2)
Please, Think of the Roombas! (Score:5, Funny)
Clearly, there is more to this story that you've told us. Are you sure your Mom has told you everything? I think it was hiding from abuse. Here are some theories:
Clearly, the poor little thing is being abused, and was forced to run and hide from your mom. You need to go and help it. Only someone truely evil would stand by while a little household appliance would tortured against it's will. Won't someone please think of the Roombas?
Re:Please, Think of the Roombas! (Score:2)
Of course, a couple of bystanders are going to die, but only one main character -- probably his dad -- in a selfless effort to try and save his wife from the evil robot's super-suction missiles or something.
In the end, his mom will be victorious by somehow destroying the robot in a way that its feeble processor was unable to calculate.
Man vs
I Hope So (Score:5, Funny)
The only problem is that I'm pretty sure none of my current 12+ remote controls will be able to command it effectively.
"Voltron, put down the cat. Damn, wrong remote!"
I'm sorry Dave... (Score:4, Funny)
So... (Score:5, Funny)
"More than the sum..." is a bogus concept. (Score:2, Insightful)
In summat
"More than the sum..." is NOT a bogus concept. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:"More than the sum..." is a bogus concept. (Score:3, Insightful)
"Emergent behavior" is a true and valid concept. English can not logically, non-contradictorily, and concisely, convey that concept, so you get a phrase like, "more than the sum of its parts", which does convey the concept, at the cost of some absolute logical consistency.
While nothing can literally be "more than the sum of its parts", it can exhibit behavior that is not designed into it, not innate to th
The theme of the next ten years ... (Score:2)
RateMyVacuum.com?
Re:The theme of the next ten years ... (Score:2)
It's Already Been Predicted (Score:2, Interesting)
The implied question is, will automation be our legacy to future civilizations? If innovations like Roomba keep coming, and if a catastrophe befalls us in the future, I coul
Whoring.. (Score:3, Informative)
Complete text, badly formatted [earthlink.net]
Demon Seed (Score:2)
Kill It! (Score:3, Funny)
Kill It. Kill it now. It is an early spawn of Evolution, and will only seek to multiply itself at the cost of right-thinking, right-leaning, right-voting churchgoers.
If you do not kill it at once, then eventually, you will have to face down and destroy its progeny, including condom machines, male organ likenesses, and anything soft with a hirsute demeanour.
And The Dish Ran Away With The Spoon (Score:5, Interesting)
But when the narrator's iPod, Cuisinart, LifeQuilt, and vacuum get together with his girlfriend, it all goes pear-shaped...
Yo Mama (Score:5, Funny)
Hurry! (Score:2)
This might be a huge breakthrough in Artificial Life!!!
Houston, we have lost a S.W.O.R.D.S. unit (Score:3, Funny)
Now when the military looses one of those new robot SWORDS that are autonomous like the roombas then we have a news story. Time to get the popcorn and turn on the news.
"It has been three hours and there is no signs that the chase will end. Facinating sight really, small robot running down the freeway with a string of 80 police vehicles creeping along behind it. The police are having to re-think how to stop this little robot. Their last attempt ended in failure when the vehicles placed in front as a baracade where blown apart to make way for the robot. It is not clear just how many rockets are still on the robot. Of course their first idea was to let it run its systems down. However everyone was surprised when it looted several cars for their batteries. At this point the chase could go on all night....."
Think of the Jetsons (Score:2)
eh... that's nothing (Score:5, Interesting)
We use that time honored technique of securing sliding glass doors by placing a chopped off broom handle in the track to augment the flimsy door lock. (Yes, I know how fantastically secure that is...)
So while I was out tending to the food and sipping a beer, I hear a "chunk" from inside the house, and I see the Roomba skittering away from the broom handle that it had just pushed neatly into it's "locked" position.
Luckily my family was home and heard my pounding on the door... If I had been home by myself who knows how long I'd been stuck.
And I swear I heard the Roomba cackling evilly as it moved into the next room...
The Volition Bug (Score:3, Interesting)
Book on a similar subject (Score:3, Interesting)
Without Bothering To Read The Rest of the Posts (Score:3, Interesting)
The specific scenes of interest concern the home robot (the size of a vacuum cleaner without the handle) which has been reprogrammed by Luthor to wipe out the family of a techie accomplice by running around the house with a
Actually, I predict... (Score:3)
This is how . . . (Score:3, Funny)
This is how the Cylons got their start. One minute they were cleaning up the floor, the next minute they were plotting genocide.
Re:This very thing happened to one family... (Score:2)
Scientist Alex Harris, doing research on artificial intelligence, is working on a special kind of computer. This computer grows more and more powerful, and succeeds in raping the scientist's wife, Susan Harris. In the end she gives birth to a hybrid baby
Interrogation (Score:2)
Are you *sure* about that?
Re:Uh.... (Score:2)
Won't the other appliances make fun of it? B^)
This may make it go hide in the corner more often.