Yahoo Ups Mail to Match Google's Gig 366
Bruce Young writes "Yahoo said late Tuesday that it will provide 1 gigabyte of storage for each free e-mail account. The current limit is 250 megabytes. The expanded storage which will be available in mid-April will enable Yahoo to catch up with online search engine leader Google. "
It was bound to happen (Score:4, Funny)
Re:It was bound to happen (Score:3, Funny)
Yahoo vs Google? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Yahoo vs Google? (Score:5, Insightful)
And FYI Yahoo had email before Google was even a blip on the horizon for Altavista so it more like Google are trying to beat yahoo ay their own game. Either way I dont care, I win.
Too many coincidences. (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, it's funny that they had that same quota from 1997 from then until last year when gmail's beta started growing, at which point they made it 250MB. Then they upped it to a gig - exactly what google offers - within a week of gmail's expansion to the general populace.
If you believe in that many coincidences, you must have been on the OJ jury, would explain a lot.
Re:Too many coincidences. (Score:2)
Re:Too many coincidences. (Score:2)
You're right, I forgot that - as a longtime Yahoo!!!!! user, I wasn't affected. But it definitely shows that Y's business model was a reduction in free benefits to force people over to their for-pay services - at least until google came along.
I think gmail currently allows free pop access - if th
Hotmail prevents searching at 10mb of mail (Score:5, Informative)
So I wrote and asked, and they said after 10 meg you can no longer search in the message body, just subject and to/from.
They then point to a little known clause in section 11 of their TOS- Hotmail can do anything to their service they want to without informing said end users.
Full conversational email available (in broken indian-ese) if you'd like it.
Re:Yahoo vs Google? (Score:5, Insightful)
Pop Access? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Pop Access? (Score:5, Informative)
The gmail web interface just blows aways anything yahoo provides. The 1Gig is not the real selling point. Now I just wish ebay would hire the google engineers to redesign their interface.
Re:you think so? (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm so accustomed to arranging things into folders, and I can't for the life of me create any sort of organization in my Gmail box, and must resort to using the search tool to find anything.
Any tips on optimizing my Gmail experience? (I'm serious, any interface tips/tricks would be greatly appreciated)
Re:you think so? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:you think so? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:you think so? (Score:2, Informative)
A good way to do things is not change for your old system - use a label in place of where you would use a folder before. You could have a "Work", "Family" and "Friends" label and either apply them to mails manually or set up a filter, just like with the folders where you manually dropped them in or se
Re:Pop Access? (Score:2)
Re:Pop Access? (Score:4, Funny)
If you sign up for a yahoo.co.uk account, you get free POP3 and SMTP access.
Unfortunately they scan every e-mail you send for fucking ridiculous made-up words like "burglarized", so if you're actually American you'll get busted pretty quick.
Re:Pop Access? (Score:5, Funny)
How to keep your yahoo uk account: "Heard the bloke on the lorry say his flat got burgled."
Re:Pop Access? (Score:3)
I've never tried it with a PC email client, but having tried to get it to work on several mobile devices, including a Sony Ericsson S710a, Motorola Razr V3, and and Palm Treo 650, I can say that it doesn't work at all for them.
Apparently, this is a well-known and widespread problem with Gmail as well. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be a need for sites like gmailwireless [gmailwireless.com] or Sourceforge projects like gmail-mobile [sourceforge.net].
Don't get me wrong, I love Gmail
Re:Pop Access? (Score:4, Informative)
If you want control over your email (and no evil search engine companies leveraging their giant database of email for nefarious purposes, natch) you're better off with something like FastMail [fastmail.fm]. The free offering isn't quite so fancy, but the paid options rock.
In particular, our highest fee paying accounts now get to send and receive up to 50MB of attachments with an email, and that's a full 50MiB (including room for encoding in the Postfix limits)
Our interface is more designed around the IMAP protocol than Gmail, since that's what we use internally - and we offer (optionally) encrypted IMAP for everyone and encrypted POP & Auth SMTP for all paying users.
You also get a web site and file storage space which you can access directly from emails to attach or detach files, etc... but I'm not going to detail all the features here - just point out that the big names don't always offer the best features.
Re:Pop Access? (Score:2)
No, Google, POP access doesn't count. I don't want my mail stored on my box at home, I want it stored on a server that I can access from anywhere - a server that is managed by people who know and care about security.
FM truly rocks. I can use Thunderbird at home, at work, and on my notebook. On the road, I can use the web-interface. Everything stays in sync, so I always have a
What I don't understand ... (Score:2)
Too many potential users, perhaps?
Also, hotmail have just introduced the hotmail.co.uk domain for British users. Unlike Yahoo, once you select your geographic location, you are not allowed any choice in the matter.
Re:Pop Access? (Score:2)
Are you guys so unwilling to pay _any_ amount for _any_ thing?
TW
Re:Pop Access? (Score:2, Insightful)
Yahoo catch-up TODO list (Score:5, Insightful)
* remove those nasty ads
* filter spam better
* add POP3 access back (you were one of the first free online mailers with POP3, then you removed it so that people would use your crappy ad-full interface)
* (and speaking of which) improve your web interface to (at least) Google standards
When you're done, let me know and I just might give up my nice gmail account.
Google catch-up TODO list (Score:4, Interesting)
And that's just a start.
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:3, Informative)
Import, schmimport (Score:2)
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
Come on -- I've been a Gmail user for all of 7 days as of today, and I think it's the best thing since sliced bread. Synchronization of sent mail between Outlook and the web interface? No banner advertising? Simple to use interface? No tagged ads at the bottom of every e-mail.
And who gives a rat's ass if I see contextual text ads based on e-mail content? Fine with me until someone definitively proves that Gmail administrators are beating off to my missiv
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
P.S. Google is not "data mining your email." Their ads are personalized based on keywords in your email, as determined by a fucking computer. They are not read by any people, so get over yourself.
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
But to each their own...
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:3, Informative)
I find the notion a tad creepy, yes, but I've used gmail over a year and I've actually noticed the ads maybe once. This is far better than yahoo's garbage. Yes, I could adblock
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
Summary: "I need more cruft."
I definitely don't want integrated IM, forums, weather, news, etc. A calendar might be nice, and making the "drafts" area more like Yahoo's Briefcase would be kinda nice, too, but most of this stuff reeks of featuritis. I (and 99% of webmail users) don't want this junk, so I hope that Google doesn't pile it all on.
Re:Google catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
Well said (Score:2)
I wonder how favourably the loss of face - and advertising exposure - will compare to the loss of users. Yahoo always used to spam their POP3 users anyway (if you hit the unsubscribe link it cncelled your pop ac
Re:Yahoo catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
Re:Yahoo catch-up TODO list (Score:2)
So "FU" Mail Plus users? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:So "FU" Mail Plus users? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:So "FU" Mail Plus users? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:So "FU" Mail Plus users? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:So "FU" Mail Plus users? (Score:2)
Napster-mail!
In related news, the heads for members of the boards of directors for the MPAA and RIAA all simultaneously exploded.
In well less than a decade 100mb attachments will be the minimum standard, at which point P2P and bittorrent will become afterhtoughts for trading of all but the largest files. With utilities like
Re:So "FU" Mail Plus users? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:So "FU" Mail Plus users? (Score:2, Offtopic)
I'm still on dialup (and will be until I finish school and have a salary again) and all those attachments get erased at the server. Life is too short to spend downloading stuff that big and no one seems to be interested in learning how to use tools like ema
No more sticks? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:No more sticks? (Score:2)
Yahoo File System? (Score:4, Interesting)
Attachment limit (Score:2, Interesting)
Get both, and stay out of the fray. (Score:5, Insightful)
Before you guys get in a huff about Yahoo! vs. Google mail services, it stands to reason that many of us have both, plus a hotmail account.
Yahoo upping online storage is a good thing for all of us.
Yahoogle? May be better... with Firefox & Adbl (Score:2, Interesting)
here [theregister.co.uk] is The Register story, they add that paying customers will get 2 GB! (and also they extra family accounts), and it will now disinfect your attachments if they have viruses (it previously only scanned and warned you).
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competetion.. This is great (Score:5, Insightful)
Computer companies do amazing things when there is competetion..
This news means more than you think (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:This news means more than you think (Score:2, Insightful)
0 x 1gig = 0gigs
gazillion x 250mb = a quarter gazillion gigs.
So, maybe now that Gmail is out of beta and has a quarter gazillion customers, they have a quarter gazillion gigs too, but they definitely didn't start out using up as much storage capacity as Yahoo already was using. Google just looks faster in this case
Yahoo mail search still sucks (Score:2)
Whereas on google, a fast search can find any email.
Waste of time (Score:4, Insightful)
I personally will probably never fill 250mb, let alone a gig.
I love gmail for all its features that Yahoo just doesnt have. I love the searching through archived mail. I love the labels instead of folders. And I -love- the threaded conversation view.
Yahoo would have to come up with some pretty killer feature at this point for me to even look at it. Even if it matched the featureset, it's still slow and cluttered compared to Gmail. And even then, I trust google more with all my mail than I do Yahoo.
Basically, just upping to a gig from 250mb...I could see this maybe stopping some Joe Sixpacks who use Yahoo now from switching to Gmail, but anyone who has actually used Gmail will probably never switch to Yahoo. The goodness just isnt there.
Does 1GB really make that much of a difference? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Does 1GB really make that much of a difference? (Score:2, Insightful)
He told me "well, maybe because they offer 1GB of space and you can search in your mail instead ordering it". At that time I was not aware of all the other features (threaded email, clean UI , no int
Re:Does 1GB really make that much of a difference? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, when GMail started, and Yahoo was restricting everyone to 6MB of space unless you paid through the nose, I imagine a LOT of people switched just because of the space. Why else would Yahoo have finally upped it's limit? They were making things smaller and smaller for quite some time now, trying to squeeze a few more dollars out of their customers.
Like the size matters? (Score:5, Informative)
I've had a Hotmail account for almost 10 years now (way before Microsoft got it hands on it) and a Gmail account for just under a year too. In the last three years Hotmail has been going backwards, especially with regards to interoperability with browsers other than MSIE (every iteration has broken something or another) and core features. It's clear that Microsoft's strategy is to push people to pay for the premium Hotmail Plus service and to do that it's happy to let the free service atrophy to the minimum possible standards. Meanwhile, with Gmail the focus seems to be on providing as good a HTML-based email application as possible.
I haven't had as much experience of Yahoo's mail service (I've got an account, but only because one was created automatically when I wanted to use another of their services) but from what I've seen it's little different to Hotmail.
Gmail wins vs Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, etc in so many ways. The interface, the features (message threads, labels, etc) are just superior to what the competition has to offer and it's these reasons rather than the default account size that makes Gmail the best at what it does.
That's nothing (Score:3, Funny)
Size doesn't matter (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, I admit that Yahoo does offer a very nice email service, and its features are very complete, but I simply cannot stand the ads. Gmail's unobtrusive ads are far better from a user's perspective.
Now, if Google would only fix their damned Forward function. If I receive a Rich Tect formatted or HTML formatted email, Gmail WILL NOT FORWARD IT without mangling the formatting (ie: it only forwards plain text.) This single problem prevents me from recommending Gmail to less-than-tech-savvy people, and unfortunatly, complaints and suggestions have fallen on deaf ears....
-Jim
GmailTips.com [gmailtips.com]
Sigh... (Score:2)
In other news (Score:2)
w00t! (Score:2)
Man do I feel like a satisfied customer!!
personal perspective (Score:2)
It's just so much more intuitive -- never again to I have to deal with the 'size' of emails -- and the whole archive/thread thing was a litte uncomfortable at first, but is now so natural.
So although I do have a yahoo! account, I don't think I'll be switching back anytime soon.
Unless of course, they decide to offer 10 Gb!
Gmail's appeal isn't the massive storage. (Score:2)
It would be nice to see real competition to Gmail, but if yahoo wants to play with the big boys, they need a MAJOR GUI overhaul. Not only on their e-mail client, but on their
My Prescience Preceeds Me! ;P (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:My Prescience Preceeds Me! ;P (Score:2)
Considering I just got my 250MB a few weeks ago.. (Score:2)
The only? (Score:3, Interesting)
Emphasis mine. I'll have to tell my webmail provider that they apparently aren't offering what they say they are, being that Google and Yahoo are the only ones.
Can't take gmail seriously (Score:2)
I logged in on January 30 to find that all of my inbox mail for the month of January was gone. It wasn't in my trashcan, etc.
I exchanged emails at a Very slow rate with gmail staff. Mostly just responding to their form letters and taking whatever action they requested.
Not until nearly a month later, on Feb 24, did I receive the following pathetic response:
Hello,
Thank you for your reply.
We have completed a thorough investigation of your Gmail acc
Re:Can't take gmail seriously (Score:2)
Can't email myself (Score:2)
Re:Can't email myself (Score:2)
Yahoo took my advice (Score:2, Redundant)
doesn't matter... (Score:2)
As it is, the only thing my yahoo account's used for right now is a backup, in case I'm away from my personal pc.
They Don't Get It (Score:2)
As far as I'm concerned, the only w
I wish they would fix what they already have (Score:2)
- HTML graphics keep showig up, even thou
1080 free hours of . . . (Score:3, Insightful)
Once the company offers a quota larger than 99% of its users will use, then it can increase the quota arbitrarily without needing any additional resources to supply the (unused) storage space. After that, it's just a marketing exercise in using (pointlessly) inflated numbers to sell to new subscribers.
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:5, Interesting)
I disagree from a business perspective.
Lots of people will stay with yahoo mail because it is difficult to switch. If there is no benefit, then there is little reason to make the switch in the first place.
Competition is good. Now, they will start competing on other features and the consumer wins in the end.
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:2)
However, the spell checker in GMail rocks. It's so transparent, and doesn't screw with the message by bringing you to a new page with drop-downs like most others. And, of course, the search function is also excellent.
Storage space is only an "ooh ahh" thing to get people's attention. It's the little things that effect day t
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:3, Informative)
If you want to be ticked with anything abuot GMail, try cleaning up your mailbox when you get from half to all the way full of archived (unlabeled) messages. Have fun deleting 20 messages at a time from the search window.
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:2)
As for deleting a gig of backlogged mail... I have it set to show 100 messages per page. There's also a "select all" link at the bottom. I suppose it would still take awhile to nuke everything, but it's sure a lot better than manually selecting 20 messages at a time!
=Smidge=
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:2)
Re:Failure is imminent. (Score:2)
Not to mention the fact that, despite the great interface, GMail is reading my mail -- I'm just not sure I'm comfortable with that.
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:5, Insightful)
Graphic ads SUCK.
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:2)
And adblock fixes Yahoo's ads nicely.
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:4, Informative)
Google does allow this as well, I just did it for my home and work computer 1 month ago, below is the attached site that shows you how to do so.
http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ans
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:3, Insightful)
Graphic ads SUCK.
Automatically reading all of your email so that Google can target text ads at you sucks even more. I'll take Yahoo's randomly-targeted graphic ads any day.
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:3, Insightful)
If you don't trust anyone to not read your email, run your own mail server.
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:2)
Mine doesn't. Yahoo groups messages do, but not my email. Perhaps this is because I have an old account?
Re:I don't have a yahoo account... (Score:3, Informative)
I use Adblock [mozdev.org] for Firefox.
Now I don't see graphical ads in yahoo mail.
Re:Competition is a great thing isn't it? (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm afraid those operating systems were halted by their own inadequacy. Microsoft won out simply because there was nothing better available. Now we have Linux, but Microsoft already had dominated teh market by the time Linux became a viable desktop OS.
Re:Ooooh good... (Score:3, Informative)
I know you're just trying to be funny, but actually Yahoo doesn't count the stuff in its spam box towards your 250mb total, so you already didn't actually have to empty it unless you wanted to. I don't know if the new TOS with the gig will change this though.
Re:Who needs this ? (Score:2)
Re:more features (Score:2)