MP3 Market Approaching Critical Mass 339
An anonymous reader writes "Led by the Apple iPod, Jupiter Research says that sales of DAPs are reaching a point where it will ignite an industry of support products and services. According to Jupiter analyst David Card
'Historically, any new device or medium that reaches a U.S. household penetration of 15 percent to 20 percent creates a critical mass of customers for other products and services.' The iPod already has a slew of peripherals out there and this is particularly good news for the paid download services like iTunes, especially with Apple announcing Wednesday they sold another 5.3 million iPods last quarter."
And, more interestingly... (Score:5, Interesting)
Music moguls trumped by Steve Jobs?
When Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs walked into the suites of top record label executives in 2002, iTunes software in hand, he was welcomed as a trailblazer to a digital music future.
Now, nearly two years after Apple's iTunes launch, record executives have become worried that they have inadvertently ceded too much power over their industry to this charismatic computer executive.
Frustrated at what they see as Jobs' intransigence on song pricing and other issues, some record executives are now turning their hopes toward other partners, particularly mobile phone carriers eager to get into the business of selling music. They see this new focus as a way to broaden the digital music business, and lessen Apple's dominance over their market in the process.
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For example, Apple wants to sell all its songs for 99 cents each, a single price point that's easy for consumers to understand. But the record labels have pressed for the ability to vary prices to maximize their own sales. They want to sell older titles at a discount--like the $9.99 CDs available in most record stores--and charge more for popular songs to take advantage of market demand.
Full story [com.com]
Those who fail to learn from history... (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, nearly two years after Apple's iTunes launch, record executives have become worried that they have inadvertently ceded too much power over their industry to this charismatic computer executive.
Frustrated at what they see as Jobs' intransigence on song pricing and other issues, some record executives are now turning their hopes toward other partners...
Cripes, this is so damn typical of the entertainment industry. They're so interested in screwing everyone they can for a buck that the minute someone is successful using their property, they feel they need to bite back. It's rather like watching a bunch of cavemen around the first fire. One gets burned so they all put the fire out with their clubs, then thump their chests and hoot in victory before sitting around in the dark and cold again.
I think RIAA deserves the Duh! Prize (if there was one.) Next year or so it'll be the MPAA doing the same thing.
... keep on failing to learn from it. (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep, these are the guys who proclaimed that "home taping is killing music" back in the 1980, and killed off DAT in the 1990s. The MPAA cried bloody murder when VHS hit the market, but amazingly the global film industry is still quite robust [factbook.net].
What really cracks me up is that the RIAA had their heads so far up their asses that they had *no strategy* whatsoever for online music sales until Jobs came along and offered them a way out. Now that they have a path away from stupidity, they're trying to jack prices up again, the same way they did with CDs [cdfreaks.com].
It's like they're fundamentally unprepared to realize that the landscape is changing and that they can't make the same margins they used to make per song. They have to shift their entire way of doing business, but they're so fat and happy that it's like Jabba the Hut doing the long jump.
How about "learn from the grocery"? (Score:4, Insightful)
Errr.... no. In many industries, having a range of prices, especially that vary with time, allows not only for greater profits, but for larger numbers of satisfied customers. The math is a bit more involuted than a simple supply/demand scissors curve, because you also have to factor in substitutibility, price elasticity, and information costs, and time value of money, but in many situations this allows for a good thing all around.
This is one reason why grocery stores have sales; people who would not ordinarily buy a product at price X will consider buying it at price 0.9X. Furthermore, it's one reason why grocery stores accept manufacturers coupons; the customer gets a lower price, the grocery store gets slightly more money (for slightly more hassle), and the increased sales (and potentially increased regular customers) result in net higher profits for the manufacturer.
In this case, the RIAA is wishing that they could run the backcatalog at a discount, while charging a premium for newest releases. And if they were willing to, say, knock $0.24 off their current $0.65 share of the price for releases over 10 years old, while adding $0.01 to the recent releases and $0.25 to items released within the last year, I'd consider it likely to be a net benefit for consumers overall.
Someone with more background in economics and without a head cold might explain it better, but it comes down to: the ability for suppliers to have prices that vary is a good thing for the consumer. Unnaturally fixed prices (such as, say, when fixed by a cartel [riaa.com]) are bad.
The RIAA really wants price flexibility? (Score:3, Insightful)
When has the music industry *EVER* done this? When have they ever discussed doing it for online music? These guys have shown over and over again that they are interested in standardized pricing for music, punctuated only by *more expensive* pricing on certain high-demand albums.
If their track record wasn't so horrendous, I'd believe that they are truly interested in coming u
Re:How about "learn from the grocery"? (Score:4, Interesting)
Sure, but Apple and Steve also realize when it's time to change strategy, and it's not clear that they're being unneccessarily stubborn on this.
In it's infancy, you don't want a service to be overly complicated to scare off potential users. Once that critical mass takes hold and the service begins to displace others, it can then afford to offer more choices.
Apple in its rebuilding phases under Steve has always been about simplification - 4 product lines, Mac-only, what have you. Once those reach a given point, you expand and differentiate.
I can't imagine that the $.99 only policy is a forever deal with Apple, but consider when this started, the up-front costs of buliding the iTMS, aiming for 1M songs in the library, with NO customers, nor a sense of what could realistically be expected looked like a huge money sink for Apple. So it was kept as simple as possible - one format, one bitrate, one pricing model, no pay-for-play, take it or leave it. It minimizes Apple's expense exposure and keeps the system from being overwhelming to customers.
Roll ahead a few years to when iTMS is pushing 100M songs every other month (right about now) and you have a situation where enough revenue is coming through to support variable pricing, volume discount, frequent buyer programs, or whatever.
Of course, the labels aren't going to report if Apple is planning these things, they want to jack prices up to $1.49 per song for the hot singles and recover Apple's $.09 in the process. After all, Apple's already spent the money to create the market which they don't need to reinvest.
So I don't buy for a minute that Apple isn't planning for that day that songs are variably priced, but I think the labels are downplaying the challenges of offering $0.49 singles and still having enough money left over to cover the transaction costs. Of course, for old songs, they're not paying the artists any more, so they *could* lower their price to Apple, but I doubt they'll volunteer that.
Re:WE GET THAT, OKAY? (Score:3, Insightful)
First of all, the RIAA is an organization which includes labels, artists, engineers, and many others who are connected in one way or another to the recording industry. That little set of preamp-adjusted ports in your dad's stereo that he plugs his turntable into? That is an example of an RIAA standard.
Secondly, the labels have been using "RIAA" as the plaintiff in several unpopular lawsuits for the specific pu
Re:And, more interestingly... (Score:2)
This is because they are simple fucktards who are dead set on destroying their industry no matter how long it takes them to do it. They should be dead now but legal alternatives, led by Apple iTMS have given them a chance to make bank online despite their complete inability to grasp the opportunity on their own.
Now they want to start making more than just fat money. They want to make stupid money so in classic record label fashion they squeeze harder. They just don't get it and they never will. We need
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Because they've probably determined that it's not their core competency, and is in fact an example of di-worse-ification.
Chuck
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They do! (Score:2)
Well, the do make the iPod sock anyway
In all seriousness, they do make other stuff too: armbands, cables and adapters, other cases besides the sock, iPod camera connector, headphones w/remote, and battery packs for the shuffle.
Re:Well (Score:4, Insightful)
Support costs for accessories can be substantial, and a consistent level of quality in product and customer service are key to the Apple brand. Extending the business is inevitable, but must be made in step with the brand's "promise."
Also, a strong third-party market only helps Apple (lots of choice, innovation, good pricing, etc.). Why enter and compete in a market when the existing competition is helping you? Any effective step by Apple into the accessory market would either cause furious competition (cutting into the profitability) or discourage new competitors (level it out).
As of now, Apple is getting the best of both worlds - iPod accesories make the iPod more attractive, "cool", and reinforce the brand. Meanwhile Apple can operate independent of this market. The company is reaping the market rewards from a successful product. Soon, however, the brand will mature and there will need to be an injection of marketing, innovation, and features. The third-party market will only accelerate the effectiveness of Apple's brand.
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I take the audio books, rip them to mp3, and then get their file names all squared away and stuff them in the iPod. Works like a charm.
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Where do live that you have this bizarro-radio?
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Or is it just that all they're producing is new teenie-pop crap for stations that I would never listen to (even while staring down the barrel of a gun), while ignoring the other genres entirely?
*sigh*
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A tape deck. [thinkgeek.com]
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..and exactly how many MP3 players come with FM transmitters as standard?
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So I bought a 3rd party tape adapter (tape up front, changer in the back, best of both worlds) for my car and am considering the "line in" accessory for the unit instead.
I didn't mind spending another $15 to make it work. I did buy an iTrip and it's a piece of crap, doesn't matter what station I put it on, there's always interference. I don't want to crack it open to get a signal boost either. I'd rather use the tape converter or a direct line in ins
5.3 Million? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:5.3 Million? (Score:5, Funny)
Anyone tried breeding the little bastards? You could make a fortune selling the offspring on Ebay!
Re:5.3 Million? (Score:2, Insightful)
Critical Mass (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Critical Mass (Score:5, Interesting)
bread, circuses, low apr credit cards (Score:3, Funny)
Gotta have priorities.
Re:bread, circuses, low apr credit cards (Score:3, Funny)
Gotta have priorities.
That's terrible! Everyone knows that unemployment checks are for cigarettes and lottery tickets.
Re:Critical Mass (Score:3, Insightful)
CNet Reports Otherwise... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:CNet Reports Otherwise... (Score:2)
How do they keep their prices so low and still make a profit?
Re:CNet Reports Otherwise... (Score:3, Interesting)
Cameras are no biggie to most people one way or the other, but otherwise it's a parade of dissatisfaction:
- Ringtones and wallpapers are way too expensive.
- Phone internet access is a pain in the ass, and also overpriced.
- Text messaging should be damn near free, often costs a bundle.
- Voice mail services are often a hassle to navigate.
- Speakerphones can sometimes only be turned on after the call has begun, making it slightly less usef
Re:CNet Reports Otherwise... (Score:2)
How many times to consumers have to say it? We don't want a *@$*&^#$^ Dick Tracy-style PDA/laptop/camcorder/voice-recorder/tricorder/ crack-me-remotely-via-wireless-internet-access cell phone. We just want a telphone that doesn't drop call
Re:CNet Reports Otherwise... (Score:3, Interesting)
MP3 Market Approaching Critical Mass (Score:2, Funny)
Insert tenuous ipod reference [here] to make slashdot front page.
Not quite yet. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Not quite yet. (Score:2)
the el-cheapo vr3 mp3 player+fm transmitter is the best mp3 player I have EVER owned, and yes i have an ipod.
It's dirt cheap, uses a usb memory stic for holding tunes and if you put a cdrom screw intot the headphone jack and attach a 3 foot wire it will overcome even a strong station on that FM frequency. I listen to all my podcasts on it now and the ipod sits at home unused. and at $25.00 at costco I dont care if it get's stolen.
BTW, the manual with it is wrong, it plays most any mp3 from a 34K pod
Re:Not quite yet. (Score:2)
Interesting to see this report (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm sure the Apple zealots will mod this into oblivion.
Re:Interesting to see this report (Score:3, Funny)
The idea of a critical mass has a beautiful ring to it, but it is the fundamentals and the continued approach to success which will continue Apple's ascension. It doesn't reall
Re:Interesting to see this report (Score:3, Insightful)
Uh... but this article clearly states that the Music Industry is scared of Apple's potential stranglehold with online music sales (iTunes). I *seriously* doubt that a paid-for puff piece (even a one that was engineered to look neutral) would put the Apple-Music Industry relationship in doubt. That, as an investor, would get me worried about Apple's stoc
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Re:Interesting to see this report (Score:3, Interesting)
If you don't want to be modded into oblivion, try posting something factual and interesting, insightful or funny. Perhaps this [slashdot.org] would help.
And for the record, your comment is incomplete:
Apple's stock got hammered by the Street because there are widespread concerns about what Apple does "next". i.e., is the Ipod a one-hit wonder?
Analysts reported they are concerned that the average price per sale has gone down, noting the introduction of Apple's low
Re:Interesting to see this report (Score:2)
As far as I can see, the only competitive phone/DAP device out there is the one the carriers are trying to kill. The rest are "competitive" if paying $4.00 a song to rent it from your cellular carrier is "competitive". Hell, maybe it is, given what people are willing to pay for "ringtones".
Oh, and that one "competitive" phone pays royalties to Apple.
Re:Interesting to see this report (Score:2)
Further, there was concern over the pressure of cell phone carriers who will be introducting competetive combo phone/DAP devices this year.
"will be" should be a good clue that they aren't here yet, so your comment that there aren't any out yet is pointless.
Further, the word "competitive" [wikipedia.org]
is proper for describing the companies who sell products that are an alternative or substitute for another.
Lastly, do you really, and take your time on this, really think that phone
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Yay (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:MP3 hardware = commodity (Score:2)
Thats great and all...but where is the...? (Score:2, Informative)
I cringe everytime I see a person jogging down the street with their iPod on the side, listening to music. (If you didn't know the hard drive in the iPod if shaken/moved at an exact point when the HD spin, it can/will break the iPod and render it totally useless)
Re:Thats great and all...but where is the...? (Score:2, Informative)
can/will (Score:3, Insightful)
critical mass eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:critical mass eh? (Score:2, Insightful)
>When will the quality of music reach tolerable mass?
Lots of good music has been recorded since the invention of the phonograph. I take it you do not enjoy the current mainstream popular material, but I assure you, THAT has been the steady state of popular music for a long, long time.
Every generation leaves behind two kinds of music collections:
1. The music that the record companies wanted you to buy, which you did.
and
2. The music that was not force-marketed.
Guess which box of records is worth $5.00
Re:critical mass eh? (Score:2)
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And in the news (Score:2)
Foresight? (Score:5, Interesting)
Considering the cost of including one versus the cost of replacing the deck so that you can plug your MP3 player in, why wouldn't more manufacturers be doing this? I know a few are, but I'm in the market for a new car and the deck that comes with it figures into the real cost. Replacing the stock stereo with one that will take input from my MP3 player should be unneccessary if these things are really at critical mass.
Re:Foresight? (Score:2)
I'm also looking for a stereo head that can accomodate Bluetooth so that I can make hands-free phone calls in my car and just talk to the integrated mic, but no luck there, either.
-Erwos
Re:Foresight? (Score:2)
Some time after cars start shipping with CD players as standard, and probably after they start shipping with data CD players, and by that time you'll be asking why cars aren't shipping with USB host for your iPod dock to plug into.
I mean, tanjit, cheap CD players have been on the market for what, 10 years, and they're still treating them as "upscale" options in cars.
Re:Foresight? (Score:3, Interesting)
Doing this kills two birds with one stone. When you're in the car, you get your whole music collection with you, and when you leave the car, you can take it all with you, leaving nothing of value in the car.
But as Sony has repeatedly shown, they haven't
Better late than never... (Score:2)
"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:5, Interesting)
Thats why Apple's stock took a dump yesterday [msn.com]
Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod and it will be tough to find new people to sell to.
Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:2)
And yet, they still maintain that just because you look spiffy in a suit, your job is any more glamorous than a typical gig as a dealer in a casion.
We're fucking doomed.
Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:3, Interesting)
You're welcome, enjoy your new iPod.
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Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:3, Interesting)
Well I think that was the point to sell iPods to everyone possible... It's like how Nintendo, MS, and Sony sell all their gaming consoles at a loss and make their money from games. That is what Apple seems to intend to do with iTunes (even though the iPods are kind of overpriced).
If they were to loose the lock out of being the only ones able to sell music that plays on the iPods then it's like if Ni
Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:2)
200 people at work here. 3 of them, including me, have iPods. I guess your definition of "everyone" is different from mine.
Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:4, Insightful)
And while it will be tough to find new people to sell to, that's not the only factor. Everybody also has a car. And yet, man, look at all the cars that get bought every single day. Everybody also has a computer, and a TV. So how the hell are those computer and TV makers staying in business? It's not a problem. It's a fact of the market. There may be less growth in iPods in years to come, but Apple will still sell plenty.
Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:3, Insightful)
Not when you sell a product that expires. Non replaceable batteries that expire every 18-36 months means people have to buy new ones. Also, there are constant feature upgrades -- even if they are only stylistic. I have an older iPod, and I can't wait for the battery to die so I can justify getting a new one with that awesome jog wheel... [drool]
Similarly, the auto industry seems to be doing just fi
Re:"Critical Mass" not good for apple (Score:3, Insightful)
There are new markets left to tap, and new generations of the product that will offer compelling reasons to upgrade. The availability of iPods in the retail channel is amazing. People know what an iPod is.
If 10% of the people that bought an iPod buy a Mac in the future, that is a huge impact on apple! The
Jupiter Research?? (Score:4, Insightful)
It's over. (Score:3, Funny)
These are guys who hyped "New Economy" companies until the dot-com bubble burst. With their razor scooters and their afros, they literally destroyed billions of dollars in market capitalization. There is no Earthly trend so massive, no business plan so potent, that Jupiter Research cannot destroy it.
That's why they are called Jupiter. They are big. They have a lot of destructive gravity. And they are made ENTIRELY of gas.
What MP3 market? (Score:2, Insightful)
I'd be a very happy person if there was a legal MP3 market, but alas the title is misleading.
"Mix, Burn, Rip" (Score:3, Informative)
You make a 74 minute long playlist of DRMed AACs, WMAs, and RMs and save them to an audio CD. Then you click on "Import as MP3". Yeh, you lose a miniscule amount of audio quality that you MAY be able to hear if you listen to it, but when you're walking down the street or sitting on a train with earbuds connected to your MP3 player... you'll never notice it.
Re:"Mix, Burn, Rip" (Score:2)
You're selling DRMed AACs, WMAs, or RMs to yourself?
YKINMK, but YKIOK.
No thanks for me.... (Score:2)
If i'm going to buy a song i prefer its fidelity to be as good as it can be. Maybe down the road we'll see next generation iPods and other players advertising this "new technology" of being able to hold non-compressed, non lossy-format songs...
Till then, i'll stick with my $20 Sony Discman, rack' of CDs and accept the tradeoffs..
I know i'm a minority, but i'm not alone.
Re:No thanks for me.... (Score:3, Informative)
Apple's iPod has been able to play/hold non-compressed non lossy songs since day 1.
Take your $20 discman and throw it into the trash
Take your rack of CDs and import them as WAV, or if you want, lossless compressed ALE, into iTunes
Plug in an iPod and you have your 'rack of CDs' in the palm of your hand.
Re:No thanks for me.... (Score:2, Insightful)
I'd be more willing to buy MP3s if the cost reflected the audio quality.
Re:No thanks for me.... (Score:2)
Further indicators (Score:3, Informative)
- In car support for the media (3rd party manufacturers like Alpine are supporting iPod as well as luxury brands like BMW. GM is supporting all DAP's by making a front panel line in standard)
- In home support for the media (Apple Airport Express allows for music streaming)
- Portable support (just like the Walkman, we have the iPod)
- As seen on TV (plenty of Movies and TV shows with characters using the devices like a recent Law & Order that opened with two teens discussing how many songs can fit on an iPod)
- Major industry backing (from Microsoft to HP to Virgin Records, Digital Audio is supported by the Fortune 500 globally)
- Small business using the format in their name (don't we all miss "Tower Records" records? Or "CD Warehouse"? I am sure there are plenty of Web properties with iPod in the name. "iPodlounge.com" comes to mind.
MP3 Players at Critical Mass (Score:3, Funny)
Want audiobooks in MP3 CD format (Score:3, Insightful)
Doesn't everybody already have some kind of hardware or software these days that can play the MP3 format?
What I want to see is audiobooks sold in MP3 CD format. Currently, audiobooks take a huge number of tapes (or conventional CD's) to hold audio, and because it's spoken word, it would compress very easily while still remaining high quality.
I've converted the Harry Potter books to MP3 CD's, and they sound great. The first two books even fit together on a single CD! All this was from a large stack of grossly inefficient standard audio CD's. No need to store spoken word at 44100x16x2 uncompressed!
I'm hoping the makers of audiobooks will realize that MP3 has already hit critical mass for years now....
Re:I figured the same thing (Score:2)
Re:Industry of battery replacement? (Score:2)
rade-in is right. You get invalidate your entire iTunes Music Store library.
Re:You have no idea what you are talking about (Score:2)
"Every major religion recognizes that there was a man Jesus of Nazareth who lived about 2000 years ago in the land now known as Israel. This is not disputed by any main stream religion or government."
Religions?? Government?? Since when are either of those authorative talkers on history?
If you wanted to make the point that the guy probably existed, then you should have stated (if true) that most historians in this area agree that he existed.
Re:You have no idea what you are talking about (Score:3, Insightful)
Every major religion recognizes that there was a man Jesus of Nazareth who lived about 2000 years ago in the land now known as Israel.
I think you might have a lot of trouble backing this up. Some major religious are not hierarchical and do not have a authoritative figure or body to make such declarations on their behalf. Even in religious organizations that do have such a structure, I doubt anything other than christianity recognizes your fact in the religion itself (which was how your statement was wo
Re:You have no idea what you are talking about (Score:3, Funny)
"Steve, I am not worthy to receive y