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MP3 Market Approaching Critical Mass 339

An anonymous reader writes "Led by the Apple iPod, Jupiter Research says that sales of DAPs are reaching a point where it will ignite an industry of support products and services. According to Jupiter analyst David Card 'Historically, any new device or medium that reaches a U.S. household penetration of 15 percent to 20 percent creates a critical mass of customers for other products and services.' The iPod already has a slew of peripherals out there and this is particularly good news for the paid download services like iTunes, especially with Apple announcing Wednesday they sold another 5.3 million iPods last quarter."
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  • by daveschroeder ( 516195 ) * on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:37AM (#12245507)
    ...another News.com article [com.com] on this topic:

    Music moguls trumped by Steve Jobs?

    When Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs walked into the suites of top record label executives in 2002, iTunes software in hand, he was welcomed as a trailblazer to a digital music future.

    Now, nearly two years after Apple's iTunes launch, record executives have become worried that they have inadvertently ceded too much power over their industry to this charismatic computer executive.

    Frustrated at what they see as Jobs' intransigence on song pricing and other issues, some record executives are now turning their hopes toward other partners, particularly mobile phone carriers eager to get into the business of selling music. They see this new focus as a way to broaden the digital music business, and lessen Apple's dominance over their market in the process.

    [...]

    For example, Apple wants to sell all its songs for 99 cents each, a single price point that's easy for consumers to understand. But the record labels have pressed for the ability to vary prices to maximize their own sales. They want to sell older titles at a discount--like the $9.99 CDs available in most record stores--and charge more for popular songs to take advantage of market demand.


    Full story [com.com]
    • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) * on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:45AM (#12245609) Homepage Journal
      When Apple Computer CEO Steve Jobs walked into the suites of top record label executives in 2002, iTunes software in hand, he was welcomed as a trailblazer to a digital music future.

      Now, nearly two years after Apple's iTunes launch, record executives have become worried that they have inadvertently ceded too much power over their industry to this charismatic computer executive.

      Frustrated at what they see as Jobs' intransigence on song pricing and other issues, some record executives are now turning their hopes toward other partners...

      Cripes, this is so damn typical of the entertainment industry. They're so interested in screwing everyone they can for a buck that the minute someone is successful using their property, they feel they need to bite back. It's rather like watching a bunch of cavemen around the first fire. One gets burned so they all put the fire out with their clubs, then thump their chests and hoot in victory before sitting around in the dark and cold again.

      I think RIAA deserves the Duh! Prize (if there was one.) Next year or so it'll be the MPAA doing the same thing.

      • by Infonaut ( 96956 ) <infonaut@gmail.com> on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:42PM (#12246345) Homepage Journal
        Cripes, this is so damn typical of the entertainment industry.

        Yep, these are the guys who proclaimed that "home taping is killing music" back in the 1980, and killed off DAT in the 1990s. The MPAA cried bloody murder when VHS hit the market, but amazingly the global film industry is still quite robust [factbook.net].

        What really cracks me up is that the RIAA had their heads so far up their asses that they had *no strategy* whatsoever for online music sales until Jobs came along and offered them a way out. Now that they have a path away from stupidity, they're trying to jack prices up again, the same way they did with CDs [cdfreaks.com].

        It's like they're fundamentally unprepared to realize that the landscape is changing and that they can't make the same margins they used to make per song. They have to shift their entire way of doing business, but they're so fat and happy that it's like Jabba the Hut doing the long jump.

      • by abb3w ( 696381 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @01:56PM (#12247293) Journal
        Cripes, this is so damn typical of the entertainment industry.

        Errr.... no. In many industries, having a range of prices, especially that vary with time, allows not only for greater profits, but for larger numbers of satisfied customers. The math is a bit more involuted than a simple supply/demand scissors curve, because you also have to factor in substitutibility, price elasticity, and information costs, and time value of money, but in many situations this allows for a good thing all around.

        This is one reason why grocery stores have sales; people who would not ordinarily buy a product at price X will consider buying it at price 0.9X. Furthermore, it's one reason why grocery stores accept manufacturers coupons; the customer gets a lower price, the grocery store gets slightly more money (for slightly more hassle), and the increased sales (and potentially increased regular customers) result in net higher profits for the manufacturer.

        In this case, the RIAA is wishing that they could run the backcatalog at a discount, while charging a premium for newest releases. And if they were willing to, say, knock $0.24 off their current $0.65 share of the price for releases over 10 years old, while adding $0.01 to the recent releases and $0.25 to items released within the last year, I'd consider it likely to be a net benefit for consumers overall.

        Someone with more background in economics and without a head cold might explain it better, but it comes down to: the ability for suppliers to have prices that vary is a good thing for the consumer. Unnaturally fixed prices (such as, say, when fixed by a cartel [riaa.com]) are bad.

        • In this case, the RIAA is wishing that they could run the backcatalog at a discount, while charging a premium for newest releases.

          When has the music industry *EVER* done this? When have they ever discussed doing it for online music? These guys have shown over and over again that they are interested in standardized pricing for music, punctuated only by *more expensive* pricing on certain high-demand albums.

          If their track record wasn't so horrendous, I'd believe that they are truly interested in coming u

        • by JohnsonWax ( 195390 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @06:06PM (#12250669)
          Errr.... no. In many industries, having a range of prices, especially that vary with time, allows not only for greater profits, but for larger numbers of satisfied customers. The math is a bit more involuted than a simple supply/demand scissors curve, because you also have to factor in substitutibility, price elasticity, and information costs, and time value of money, but in many situations this allows for a good thing all around.

          Sure, but Apple and Steve also realize when it's time to change strategy, and it's not clear that they're being unneccessarily stubborn on this.

          In it's infancy, you don't want a service to be overly complicated to scare off potential users. Once that critical mass takes hold and the service begins to displace others, it can then afford to offer more choices.

          Apple in its rebuilding phases under Steve has always been about simplification - 4 product lines, Mac-only, what have you. Once those reach a given point, you expand and differentiate.

          I can't imagine that the $.99 only policy is a forever deal with Apple, but consider when this started, the up-front costs of buliding the iTMS, aiming for 1M songs in the library, with NO customers, nor a sense of what could realistically be expected looked like a huge money sink for Apple. So it was kept as simple as possible - one format, one bitrate, one pricing model, no pay-for-play, take it or leave it. It minimizes Apple's expense exposure and keeps the system from being overwhelming to customers.

          Roll ahead a few years to when iTMS is pushing 100M songs every other month (right about now) and you have a situation where enough revenue is coming through to support variable pricing, volume discount, frequent buyer programs, or whatever.

          Of course, the labels aren't going to report if Apple is planning these things, they want to jack prices up to $1.49 per song for the hot singles and recover Apple's $.09 in the process. After all, Apple's already spent the money to create the market which they don't need to reinvest.

          So I don't buy for a minute that Apple isn't planning for that day that songs are variably priced, but I think the labels are downplaying the challenges of offering $0.49 singles and still having enough money left over to cover the transaction costs. Of course, for old songs, they're not paying the artists any more, so they *could* lower their price to Apple, but I doubt they'll volunteer that.

    • This is because they are simple fucktards who are dead set on destroying their industry no matter how long it takes them to do it. They should be dead now but legal alternatives, led by Apple iTMS have given them a chance to make bank online despite their complete inability to grasp the opportunity on their own.

      Now they want to start making more than just fat money. They want to make stupid money so in classic record label fashion they squeeze harder. They just don't get it and they never will. We need
  • Well (Score:5, Interesting)

    by elid ( 672471 ) <eli.ipod@g m a il.com> on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:39AM (#12245526)
    I understand that the iPod craze has been great for Apple, but I wonder how many people actually buy those accessories that are available (such as the voice recorder and FM transmitter). It's one thing to pay a premium for a high-quality Apple iPod; it's another thing to pay $30 for a an add-on - for features that come standard with other MP3 devices!
    • Re:Well (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Kimos ( 859729 ) <kimos...slashdot@@@gmail...com> on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:43AM (#12245586) Homepage
      Trust me, people buy them. If they just spent $400 on an iPod they're going to want to protect it, sell them a case. They want to listen to their iPod in their CD players at home/in the car, sell them a transmitter. It's an expensive toy, so $50 more to make it work better and stay in better shape is not much...
      • Re:Well (Score:5, Interesting)

        by elid ( 672471 ) <eli.ipod@g m a il.com> on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:45AM (#12245610)
        But it's not even Apple that's making those accessories. So you're paying $30 for that non-Apple add-on. Why isn't Apple making these things?
        • Re:Well (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          Because Apple has always had the attitude that there's room for a peripheral market to coexist with their own market. They let the other companies fill the random niches that are created.
        • Re:Well (Score:4, Insightful)

          by anonicon ( 215837 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:07PM (#12245884)
          "So you're paying $30 for that non-Apple add-on. Why isn't Apple making these things?"

          Because they've probably determined that it's not their core competency, and is in fact an example of di-worse-ification.

          Chuck
        • Because they want to keep their third-party device providers happy. Apple can make a cut of every single device, or they can create a bunch of their own, at great risk, and piss off the Griffin and Belkin's of the world. Which would you do?

        • Well, the do make the iPod sock anyway ;) [apple.com]

          In all seriousness, they do make other stuff too: armbands, cables and adapters, other cases besides the sock, iPod camera connector, headphones w/remote, and battery packs for the shuffle.
        • Re:Well (Score:4, Insightful)

          by globalar ( 669767 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @06:59PM (#12251108) Homepage
          It's a kind of balance.

          Support costs for accessories can be substantial, and a consistent level of quality in product and customer service are key to the Apple brand. Extending the business is inevitable, but must be made in step with the brand's "promise."

          Also, a strong third-party market only helps Apple (lots of choice, innovation, good pricing, etc.). Why enter and compete in a market when the existing competition is helping you? Any effective step by Apple into the accessory market would either cause furious competition (cutting into the profitability) or discourage new competitors (level it out).

          As of now, Apple is getting the best of both worlds - iPod accesories make the iPod more attractive, "cool", and reinforce the brand. Meanwhile Apple can operate independent of this market. The company is reaping the market rewards from a successful product. Soon, however, the brand will mature and there will need to be an injection of marketing, innovation, and features. The third-party market will only accelerate the effectiveness of Apple's brand.
    • I bought an FM transmitter to use in the car on my last trip to relatives out of state. It saved my sanity from the sewer that is radio. I also bought an extra charger and power cable so I can listen to my iPod at work all day and not run the battery down.
      • I did the same thing. My wife and I travel a lot and the iPod with a transmitter is an excellent way to go. We do books on CD on these long drives which is fine and all but you've got to keep track of 20-25 CD's sometimes, changing discs gets old.

        I take the audio books, rip them to mp3, and then get their file names all squared away and stuff them in the iPod. Works like a charm.
    • I just wish there were low cost plug-n-play car audio options available. The tape deck and cigarrette lighter solution sucks.
    • ...and FM transmitter). It's one thing to pay a premium for a high-quality Apple iPod; it's another thing to pay $30 for a an add-on - for features that come standard with other MP3 devices!

      ..and exactly how many MP3 players come with FM transmitters as standard?
    • Got mine as a gift. (Now I know that my wife Loves me :)

      So I bought a 3rd party tape adapter (tape up front, changer in the back, best of both worlds) for my car and am considering the "line in" accessory for the unit instead.

      I didn't mind spending another $15 to make it work. I did buy an iTrip and it's a piece of crap, doesn't matter what station I put it on, there's always interference. I don't want to crack it open to get a signal boost either. I'd rather use the tape converter or a direct line in ins
  • by Capt'n Hector ( 650760 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:39AM (#12245534)
    Cripes. These iPods are like Rabbits in Australia!
  • by Pinefresh ( 866806 ) <william,simpson&gmail,com> on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:39AM (#12245539)
    I love that term, it makes it sound like there'll be an explosion. Everyone stop buying i-pods! it's our only hope!
  • by tquinlan ( 868483 ) <tomNO@SPAMthomasquinlan.com> on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:40AM (#12245550) Homepage
    ...in this story [com.com] that suggests that Apple's music dominance is not viewed as favourable by record labels. In fact, it mentions the labels' efforts to start working with wireless phone carriers to charge more for music via ring tones, which is "more in line with their economics".

    • Ringtones - now there is a scam. Most of the European operators charge something like 4 so you can download a lousy .mid file onto your phone. Same for wallpaper too. It is no surprise that they bury the actual cost in smallprint or try to bullshit about one-off subscriptions to ringtone clubs.


      How do they keep their prices so low and still make a profit?

      • Everybody I know seems to completely hate the add-ons to their phones.

        Cameras are no biggie to most people one way or the other, but otherwise it's a parade of dissatisfaction:

        - Ringtones and wallpapers are way too expensive.
        - Phone internet access is a pain in the ass, and also overpriced.
        - Text messaging should be damn near free, often costs a bundle.
        - Voice mail services are often a hassle to navigate.
        - Speakerphones can sometimes only be turned on after the call has begun, making it slightly less usef
        • Ditto. I'd have to be either way overpaid or an idiot to use most of the features on my camera phone. I don't even use the camera. It's crap. The only reason I have a camera phone is because that's the only way I could get bluetooth from AT&TWS at the time.

          How many times to consumers have to say it? We don't want a *@$*&^#$^ Dick Tracy-style PDA/laptop/camcorder/voice-recorder/tricorder/ crack-me-remotely-via-wireless-internet-access cell phone. We just want a telphone that doesn't drop call

    • I think it's funny that the respective industries think that $3-$4 is fair for a low quality rendition of a music clip played through a high-pitch piezo speaker. I'll stick with the stock tones, thanks. Same for "wallpapers", a postage stamp sized image of 1k pixels is not worth $3-$4. I remember downloading my own using the phone's internet service, even making my own, put it on my web site and downloading to the phone. If either were half a dollar, then it might be a worthwhile package as a whole.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    Takes a real Nostradamus to make such a bold prediction.

    Insert tenuous ipod reference [here] to make slashdot front page.
  • Not quite yet. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by FreeLinux ( 555387 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:41AM (#12245564)
    When I can get one of these [dansdata.com] in the US for less than $100, then I will agree. Until then, there is more mass to be had before criticality.
    • why?

      the el-cheapo vr3 mp3 player+fm transmitter is the best mp3 player I have EVER owned, and yes i have an ipod.

      It's dirt cheap, uses a usb memory stic for holding tunes and if you put a cdrom screw intot the headphone jack and attach a 3 foot wire it will overcome even a strong station on that FM frequency. I listen to all my podcasts on it now and the ipod sits at home unused. and at $25.00 at costco I dont care if it get's stolen.

      BTW, the manual with it is wrong, it plays most any mp3 from a 34K pod
    • So, to show that the mp3 player market has not hit critical mass, you link to an inexpensive mp3 player which allows people to play mp3s through their tape deck? I don't get it...
  • I'm sure this was a report sponsored in part by Apple in an attempt to boos the stock price back up soon after Apple's stock got hammered by the Street because there are widespread concerns about what Apple does "next". i.e., is the Ipod a one-hit wonder?

    I'm sure the Apple zealots will mod this into oblivion.
    • Your reading of the stockmarket is pretty shortsighted, I think. The correction which plagues apple stock right this moment is a crisis of faith; the looking for miracles rather than a logical progression of business. it's hard to imagine the ipod being more of success right now, or apple's star to look any brighter in the future.

      The idea of a critical mass has a beautiful ring to it, but it is the fundamentals and the continued approach to success which will continue Apple's ascension. It doesn't reall
    • I'm sure this was a report sponsored in part by Apple in an attempt to boos the stock price back up soon after Apple's stock got hammered by the Street ...

      Uh... but this article clearly states that the Music Industry is scared of Apple's potential stranglehold with online music sales (iTunes). I *seriously* doubt that a paid-for puff piece (even a one that was engineered to look neutral) would put the Apple-Music Industry relationship in doubt. That, as an investor, would get me worried about Apple's stoc

    • The trick will be whether the iPod gets people to rethink their home computer purchases.
    • I'm sure the Apple zealots will mod this into oblivion.

      If you don't want to be modded into oblivion, try posting something factual and interesting, insightful or funny. Perhaps this [slashdot.org] would help.

      And for the record, your comment is incomplete:
      Apple's stock got hammered by the Street because there are widespread concerns about what Apple does "next". i.e., is the Ipod a one-hit wonder?

      Analysts reported they are concerned that the average price per sale has gone down, noting the introduction of Apple's low
      • Further, there was concern over the pressure of cell phone carriers who will be introducting competetive combo phone/DAP devices this year.

        As far as I can see, the only competitive phone/DAP device out there is the one the carriers are trying to kill. The rest are "competitive" if paying $4.00 a song to rent it from your cellular carrier is "competitive". Hell, maybe it is, given what people are willing to pay for "ringtones".

        Oh, and that one "competitive" phone pays royalties to Apple.
        • please re-read with emphasis added:

          Further, there was concern over the pressure of cell phone carriers who will be introducting competetive combo phone/DAP devices this year.

          "will be" should be a good clue that they aren't here yet, so your comment that there aren't any out yet is pointless.

          Further, the word "competitive" [wikipedia.org]
          is proper for describing the companies who sell products that are an alternative or substitute for another.

          Lastly, do you really, and take your time on this, really think that phone
    • Apple has had many hits, and will continue to have hits. The iPod was more like a platinum-hit. Will they create something else as revolutionary as the iPod? Who knows, but they don't need to in order to stay a highly successful company.
    • Uh... A lot of stock analysts have been boosting their projection of Apple stock prices because of recent product additions. Some of them are pretty respected names in the industry.
  • Yay (Score:2, Funny)

    by frikazoyd ( 845667 )
    I, for one, welcome our new digital music overlords. Wait, shit. Where am I?
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  • Now all we need is a report of how many of those iPods are sent back for faulty manafacturing and instability...

    I cringe everytime I see a person jogging down the street with their iPod on the side, listening to music. (If you didn't know the hard drive in the iPod if shaken/moved at an exact point when the HD spin, it can/will break the iPod and render it totally useless)
    • I know someone who is currently on her 4th iPod because of this. Although, she has had each previous one replaced for free by Apple.
    • can/will (Score:3, Insightful)

      can/will = can but you used the 'will' to somehow make your statement seem stronger than it is. In other words I'm accusing you of trying to mislead. I've run many miles with an iPod and it's spun up the drive many times during those runs. I won't argue with the 'can' but the 'will' is pure BS.
  • by vurg ( 639307 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:51AM (#12245673)
    When will the quality of music reach tolerable mass?
    • by fishbowl ( 7759 )

      >When will the quality of music reach tolerable mass?

      Lots of good music has been recorded since the invention of the phonograph. I take it you do not enjoy the current mainstream popular material, but I assure you, THAT has been the steady state of popular music for a long, long time.

      Every generation leaves behind two kinds of music collections:

      1. The music that the record companies wanted you to buy, which you did.
      and
      2. The music that was not force-marketed.

      Guess which box of records is worth $5.00
  • Foresight? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zbuffered ( 125292 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:56AM (#12245748)
    If MP3 players are rapidly approaching critical mass, how long will it take before car stereos will feature minijack inputs as standard?

    Considering the cost of including one versus the cost of replacing the deck so that you can plug your MP3 player in, why wouldn't more manufacturers be doing this? I know a few are, but I'm in the market for a new car and the deck that comes with it figures into the real cost. Replacing the stock stereo with one that will take input from my MP3 player should be unneccessary if these things are really at critical mass.
    • I agree. I recently bought a "new" (used) car, and I was quite disappointed to find that none of the stereos in Best Buy except _one_ had a minijack in. It can't cost all that much to add either, I would think.

      I'm also looking for a stereo head that can accomodate Bluetooth so that I can make hands-free phone calls in my car and just talk to the integrated mic, but no luck there, either.

      -Erwos
    • If MP3 players are rapidly approaching critical mass, how long will it take before car stereos will feature minijack inputs as standard?

      Some time after cars start shipping with CD players as standard, and probably after they start shipping with data CD players, and by that time you'll be asking why cars aren't shipping with USB host for your iPod dock to plug into.

      I mean, tanjit, cheap CD players have been on the market for what, 10 years, and they're still treating them as "upscale" options in cars.
    • Re:Foresight? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by hazee ( 728152 )
      As many have said before on Slashdot, if companies like Sony (who already produce both MP3 players and car stereos) had any sense at all, they would come up with integrated systems where the MP3 player serves as the detachable faceplate for the car stereo.

      Doing this kills two birds with one stone. When you're in the car, you get your whole music collection with you, and when you leave the car, you can take it all with you, leaving nothing of value in the car.

      But as Sony has repeatedly shown, they haven't
  • I think it's a little late to say that a support industry is about to ignite for iPods and other music players. The last 20% of every issue of MacWorld has been full of iPod accessories for well over a year now. I'd say that the support industry ignited some time ago, and now has lots of nice coals for cooking.
  • by 0kComputer ( 872064 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:59AM (#12245779)
    They were talking about this on NPR yesterday, but instead of "critical mass" they called it market saturation.
    Thats why Apple's stock took a dump yesterday [msn.com]

    Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod and it will be tough to find new people to sell to.
    • 20 percent of a market purchasing a product is hardly 'market saturation'. This whole report sounds like a not so thinly veiled ploy by jupiter research to cause volatility in the market..and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bunch of coke addled suits down on Wall Street at this very moment laughing at the shares being thrown around.

      And yet, they still maintain that just because you look spiffy in a suit, your job is any more glamorous than a typical gig as a dealer in a casion.

      We're fucking doomed.
    • IMHO, you're almost correct: everyone that wants an IPod has one, and the people that don't are less than thrilled about the device, and/or are happy with CD's, don't have $200-$400 in disposable income, etc.
    • Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod and it will be tough to find new people to sell to.

      Well I think that was the point to sell iPods to everyone possible... It's like how Nintendo, MS, and Sony sell all their gaming consoles at a loss and make their money from games. That is what Apple seems to intend to do with iTunes (even though the iPods are kind of overpriced).

      If they were to loose the lock out of being the only ones able to sell music that plays on the iPods then it's like if Ni
    • Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod

      200 people at work here. 3 of them, including me, have iPods. I guess your definition of "everyone" is different from mine.
    • by White Roses ( 211207 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:31PM (#12246213)
      No, Apple's stock took a dump because, historically, if Apple posts a profit, it takes a dump. Don't ask me why. It happens almost every time.

      And while it will be tough to find new people to sell to, that's not the only factor. Everybody also has a car. And yet, man, look at all the cars that get bought every single day. Everybody also has a computer, and a TV. So how the hell are those computer and TV makers staying in business? It's not a problem. It's a fact of the market. There may be less growth in iPods in years to come, but Apple will still sell plenty.

    • Problem for apple is that everyone already has an ipod and it will be tough to find new people to sell to.

      Not when you sell a product that expires. Non replaceable batteries that expire every 18-36 months means people have to buy new ones. Also, there are constant feature upgrades -- even if they are only stylistic. I have an older iPod, and I can't wait for the battery to die so I can justify getting a new one with that awesome jog wheel... [drool]
      Similarly, the auto industry seems to be doing just fi
    • A lot of people get really caught up in the US-centric view of the world. Until very recently, iPods were not readily available in many markets in Europe. They are now. Sales went up 40% in Europe.

      There are new markets left to tap, and new generations of the product that will offer compelling reasons to upgrade. The availability of iPods in the retail channel is amazing. People know what an iPod is.

      If 10% of the people that bought an iPod buy a Mac in the future, that is a huge impact on apple! The
  • Jupiter Research?? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Wes Janson ( 606363 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @11:59AM (#12245785) Journal
    Is anyone else suddenly feeling the overwhelming urge to chamber a round into their shotgun? Is this the same Jupiter that is hell-bent on screwing over the internet with spyware and adware? If so, how on god's green earth is it that we're taking their "research" seriously?
  • It's over. (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:02PM (#12245823)
    The iPod craze is officially over, because Jupiter Research said it is about to explode. Thanks, Jupiter! Thanks a lot!

    These are guys who hyped "New Economy" companies until the dot-com bubble burst. With their razor scooters and their afros, they literally destroyed billions of dollars in market capitalization. There is no Earthly trend so massive, no business plan so potent, that Jupiter Research cannot destroy it.

    That's why they are called Jupiter. They are big. They have a lot of destructive gravity. And they are made ENTIRELY of gas.
  • What MP3 market? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by mrRay720 ( 874710 )
    Do tell o' wise one, where may I see this promised land of the MP3 market? All I see are DRMed AACs, WMAs, RMs, whatever...

    I'd be a very happy person if there was a legal MP3 market, but alas the title is misleading.
    • "Mix, Burn, Rip" (Score:3, Informative)

      by argent ( 18001 )
      Do tell o' wise one, where may I see this promised land of the MP3 market?

      You make a 74 minute long playlist of DRMed AACs, WMAs, and RMs and save them to an audio CD. Then you click on "Import as MP3". Yeh, you lose a miniscule amount of audio quality that you MAY be able to hear if you listen to it, but when you're walking down the street or sitting on a train with earbuds connected to your MP3 player... you'll never notice it.
  • I don't really like the sound of mp3s vs their full-flavoured counterparts.

    If i'm going to buy a song i prefer its fidelity to be as good as it can be. Maybe down the road we'll see next generation iPods and other players advertising this "new technology" of being able to hold non-compressed, non lossy-format songs...

    Till then, i'll stick with my $20 Sony Discman, rack' of CDs and accept the tradeoffs..

    I know i'm a minority, but i'm not alone.
    • What are you talking about?

      Apple's iPod has been able to play/hold non-compressed non lossy songs since day 1.

      Take your $20 discman and throw it into the trash
      Take your rack of CDs and import them as WAV, or if you want, lossless compressed ALE, into iTunes
      Plug in an iPod and you have your 'rack of CDs' in the palm of your hand.
    • by jotok ( 728554 )
      Good to see someone else concerned with this. If you buy an entire album off iTunes it will still cost you around the same as buying the album from Best Buy...except that the sound quality will be absolute shite. It's hard to tell on my crappy comp speakers, but on my home or car stereo it's painfully obvious.

      I'd be more willing to buy MP3s if the cost reflected the audio quality.
      • I love it when people convince themselves that the difference between the CD audio and the mp3 audio is greater than the sound coming from the fact that their car while driving. It's even funnier when they say the difference is painful.
  • Further indicators (Score:3, Informative)

    by amichalo ( 132545 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:29PM (#12246197)
    Using the Casette Tape and Compact Disc as previous examples, let's look at other indicators:

    - In car support for the media (3rd party manufacturers like Alpine are supporting iPod as well as luxury brands like BMW. GM is supporting all DAP's by making a front panel line in standard)

    - In home support for the media (Apple Airport Express allows for music streaming)

    - Portable support (just like the Walkman, we have the iPod)

    - As seen on TV (plenty of Movies and TV shows with characters using the devices like a recent Law & Order that opened with two teens discussing how many songs can fit on an iPod)

    - Major industry backing (from Microsoft to HP to Virgin Records, Digital Audio is supported by the Fortune 500 globally)

    - Small business using the format in their name (don't we all miss "Tower Records" records? Or "CD Warehouse"? I am sure there are plenty of Web properties with iPod in the name. "iPodlounge.com" comes to mind.
  • by aaarrrgggh ( 9205 ) on Friday April 15, 2005 @12:54PM (#12246477)
    Don't people understand that it is dangerous to ride a bicycle [critical-mass.org] while listening to music!?
  • by Krellan ( 107440 ) <(moc.nallerk) (ta) (nallerk)> on Friday April 15, 2005 @02:27PM (#12247854) Homepage Journal
    As far as MP3 hitting critical mass goes, isn't it already there?

    Doesn't everybody already have some kind of hardware or software these days that can play the MP3 format?

    What I want to see is audiobooks sold in MP3 CD format. Currently, audiobooks take a huge number of tapes (or conventional CD's) to hold audio, and because it's spoken word, it would compress very easily while still remaining high quality.

    I've converted the Harry Potter books to MP3 CD's, and they sound great. The first two books even fit together on a single CD! All this was from a large stack of grossly inefficient standard audio CD's. No need to store spoken word at 44100x16x2 uncompressed!

    I'm hoping the makers of audiobooks will realize that MP3 has already hit critical mass for years now....

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