Mac OS X Tiger Accidentally Shipped Early 540
boarder8925 writes "Engadget reports: 'In many places around the world, Mac fans and Apple distributors received a shipment they weren't quite expecting: Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger arrived at the door a full eight days ahead of schedule for some lucky folks who pre-ordered. Vendors PCMall/MacMall and ClubMac gave pre-order customers a treat by unleashing the OS ahead of schedule, quickly followed up by a 'recall' of the copies from PCMall.'"
Oh come on... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Oh come on... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Oh come on... (Score:5, Interesting)
it's not just aesthetics (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Oh come on... (Score:5, Insightful)
If I were a customer, I'd insist that they ship me the supposedly legitimate one and pay for my return postage before they get the other one back, seeing as how it was their mistake, not mine, and that I should not be liable for their cockup. If they want it right, they have to do the work to make it right, not me. If they won't support the product then the credit card company gets called and the charge is revoked, as I as a consumer haven't been given what I've paid for.
Re:Oh come on... (Score:3, Interesting)
I'd have to imagine Apple's arrang
Re:Oh come on... (Score:5, Informative)
If they want to be jerks about it, then do as you mentioned and dispute the charge. If Apple does in fact figure out some way to identify and exclude the early users from the support they're owed, they'd best make sure those people get a totally legitimate copy. Otherwise, they just grabbed the biggest shovel in the shed to dig a very public hole around themselves.
Legal status of unordered merchandise (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Legal status of unordered merchandise (Score:5, Insightful)
Moral status of unordered merchandise (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Legal status of unordered merchandise (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Legal status of unordered merchandise (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Legal status of unordered merchandise (Score:3, Insightful)
It's the cost of doing business for them. God knows, they make more than enough errors that they make you pay for. Do they reimburse you for your time when they make a mistake in their software and you lose hours of work? Do they reimburse you for your time when they ship a faulty power supply or battery and you need to send it back? They don't. So, where is the moral obligation on your
Re:Legal status of unordered merchandise (Score:5, Informative)
From the US Code section you linked to, "(d) For the purposes of this section, "unordered merchandise" means merchandise mailed without the prior expressed request or consent of the recipient."
Re:Legal status of unordered merchandise (Score:5, Informative)
Realize that this law was to prevent people from scamming consumers by sending them items unordered and then billing them for it, hoping they'd pay, not to allow you to get free stuff because of a shipping mistake. (Scammers used to send out family bibles to people who had just died and then send a bill. The next of kin wouldn't realize it was a scam and pay the bill).
Re:Oh come on... (Score:5, Interesting)
My understanding is that there was a major problem with people shipping unordered merchandise through the mail and then billing for it. So a law was passed that made any such treatments something like a gift.
About 15 years ago, someone started sending me issues for some lame business newsletter that I did not order. There was also a calculator and some other cheap things that glitter in the first package from them. That was about January or February that year.
The issues looked like they went through a few of the more popular business magazines and summarized the first paragraph or two of some of the articles until they had three or four pages worth of summaries. If you read Business Week the week before, you would have already seen just about everything in the newsletter. And in pretty much the same order.
After about a month they sent me a bill for something more than $100 for a year's subscription. Since there is no requirement that I pay for unordered merchandise, I threw them away.
After a couple of months, they started sending me letters demanding that I pay them the subscription price. I threw them away.
About November, they turned my delinquent account over to a collection agency who started sending me letters demanding that I pay up. I threw them away.
At some point the collection agency even doubled the amount they claimed I owed. I threw them away.
After that, I didn't hear from them again.
About two years later, they started my "subscription" again.
This time I went over to the local post office and talked to the postmistress. She suggest that I just write "Forward to the Office of the Postal Inspector" on the envelopes along with a brief explanation and put them in the mail. No postage required.
So every time I received anything from the scammers, I sent them on to the postal inspector.
After about two months, they sent me a very indignat letter telling me that they are not crooks. Other than that, I never heard from them again.
Later, I was working at a software development company and I was using a cow-orker's computer for testing one day while they were on vacation. Right in the middle of their desk was something from the very same company.
I had already figured out that what that company seemed to be doing was sending subscriptions to business addresses figuring that most of the time it would be turned over to accounts payable without a glance.
So I told the president and the owner of the company about the scam. They immediately canceled the subscription. When the cow-orker came back from vacation, he was a bit irked because he had intentionally signed up for the subscription!
For another example, my mother is in her 80s and is more easily confused. One time she answered an ad for a free gift of some books. She received the books and then about a month later she received an invoice for the books. I had her send the invoice along with a note explaining the situation to the Postal Inspector's Office. The Postal Inspector's Office appears to have had a quick talk with the company involved because she received a letter cancelling the invoice within a month. And the company who sent her the ad for the "free books" hasn't sent her any more such ads.
Re:Oh come on... (Score:3, Interesting)
Aren't credit reports indexed by social security number? Since I never filled out anything for them, they didn't have a social security number to use to report anything.
They could try to match the address and I suspect it would be easier these days with even more computerization. I don't know if they had that capability then.
I figured that if it ever did make a difference, I could protest the bogus report.
Re:Oh come on... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Oh come on... (Score:3, Informative)
Humbug (Score:3, Insightful)
201 new features (Score:5, Funny)
Finally... (Score:5, Funny)
who would return it? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:who would return it? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:who would return it? (Score:3, Insightful)
Think of it as a limited pre-release. By the time I get my copy these issues are usually already sorted out by those who got it early and couldn't wait.
Re:who would return it? (Score:3, Informative)
Amazing true fact (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Amazing true fact (Score:3, Funny)
I call shenanigans (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Amazing true fact (Score:5, Funny)
Does it make the screaming noise for you or something?
Re:Amazing true fact (Score:3, Funny)
Only after you upgrade it with Tiger
But Longhorn will average it out (Score:5, Funny)
Re:But Longhorn will average it out (Score:5, Funny)
Old News? (Score:2)
Either way, I'm sure they're going to get one of Steve's Armani boots lodged up their ass.
Re:Old News? (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, and Steve wears New Balance shoes.
Re:Old News? (Score:4, Funny)
Sorry. Sometimes you have to reach for the low hanging fruit...
Torrent (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger (Score:3, Informative)
it cuts down on people who don't feel comfortable poking around in the installer packages, but simply putting it on a DVD isn't going to stop anyone who's determined.
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger (Score:3, Informative)
this is the case with Tiger, Panther, and probably jaguar (can't remember that far back, but i'd be surprised if it's different), but the actual installer is buried within the installer packages elsewhere on the DVD/dmg. Just by looking at the
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:5, Funny)
If Apple really wanted to cut piracy on Tiger, they would include a sticker on the disc that says "Don't steal Tiger."
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's the one and only thing you need to know to understand Apple: Our goal is to make using your Mac a pleasant experience. Anything that takes away from that is our enemy. That's why we've historically even had an iffy relationship with some of our biggest software vendors. When Word 6 came out, I'm told that the level of anger around campus almost reached the point of violence. (That was before my time here.)
Bottom line: When you're installing your new OS, having to swap CDs sucks. So we're shipping DVDs. Anybody who doesn't have a DVD drive -- which is something like three out of four Mac owners, believe it or not -- can get CDs from their local Apple store or from the Web site.
(And don't think we didn't have long and heated conversations about whether it sucks more to have to swap CDs or to have to mail-order CDs. That one went back and forth a lot.)
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:3, Insightful)
Packaging.
If they produce one box with DVDs and one box with CDs, that's two different products to produce, pack, ship, track sales and take up shelf space. Combine this with the Family Pack, and you're up to four.
Under this current system, you walk into an Apple store with your DVD, pay the $10 and they hand you the CDs instead. Probably from behind the counter, rather than sitting on the shelf, where it als
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:5, Informative)
Now, something like three out of four OF THOSE can't even run Tiger anyway. It's not like somebody's going to go running Tiger on a Power Mac 9600. So it's not like we're saying that three out of four Tiger buyers will have to do the media exchange thing. Corporate tells us that they estimate it'll be closer to one in twenty. Which is fine.
But it all boils down to this: We put Tiger on a DVD instead of four CDs because we wanted to. That's all there is to it.
Re: Tiger on Ancient Macs? You Bet! (Score:4, Informative)
Oh yes they are! If you upgrade the processor to a G3 or better, you can use XPostFacto [macsales.com] you can run OS X on ancient powermacs. You can even run Jaguar on a fast PPC 604 with this terrific patch!
I plan to buy a copy of Tiger and load it onto my hot-rodded Frankenmac 7600 just as soon as it's practical.
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:5, Insightful)
According to last quarter's financials, we're doing pretty well in the marketplace. Our year-over-year sales went up by something like 40%.
You draw your own conclusions.
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:3, Informative)
1. If you want to exchange by mail, you have to pay shipping.
2. I'm really not all that interested in whether you got the memo about in-store exchanges or not.
3. We're not putting CDs in separate packages because the cost associated with manufacturing and stocking a separate SKU is amazing.
4. We're not putting CDs in with the DVDs because something like 19 out of 20 of the people who b
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:4, Informative)
We just got criticized, unjustly, in the press by an environmental group because we don't pay to recycle our customers' computers. Imagine the field day they would have had if we'd shipped out 50 million unneeded CDs.
Re:Apple cut piracy on Tiger. NOT. (Score:3, Funny)
Other early resellers... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:3, Interesting)
Who puts a warning about not being aloud to read something at the bottom
At first it may seem rather daft, but think about it this way. If they put the message at the top, the recipient could legally stop reading the message after the blurb and later argue that they had no way of knowing 100% for sure whether or not they are the intended recipient without reading the rest of the message, which they were forbidden to do if they were not the intended recipient, and so on and so forth.
I've been seeing this
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:4, Insightful)
first off I do not support what Thepiratebay is doing , but i have a problem with apples lawyer.
First off you do not send a legal threat to a sweedish site citing US law.
Second if your going to send a legal threat for the love of god do it in the right language , as sending it in english can cause problems
Apple need to have a word with their lawyer about this as it is bad practice
Other than that , apple do have good cause to be angry at this site
However i do not yet know if bittorent sites can in all sanity be proesecuted for any breach , as First they are only holding information pertaining to the download IE: the torrent(not any copyright material) and in civil cases i don't think you can be prosecuted for such things(obviously very difrent in criminal law) in most european countrys.
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:3, Insightful)
While it isn't legal to distribute copyrighted material without a license to do so, I'm not sure that "bits and pieces" of protected work are protected.
What you're actually saying is that people who do not spread copyrighted material, do not do anything illegal - should be convicted of crime.
You're the real asshole in this story.
Arrogant to no end, you seem to think that your "moral high-ground" allows you to slander the laws of a country currently be
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:5, Insightful)
It is arrogant for some American companies trying to enfore American laws in foreign countries... .
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:5, Insightful)
What good software or media has come out of Sweden (Score:4, Informative)
Let's move on and find Ericsson software engineers creating AXE telephone switches, Bluetooth etc. Keep up, and we find Lavasofts Ad-Aware helping out most n00bs from getting the most out of skunkware. Pointsec, a swedish company producing the industry top class encryption sw (note: biggest customer is teh US military!). Yes, KaZaA and Skype are also created by swedes, ironic - isn't it!
Oh, did you know who actually made most of super-US bimbo Britney Spears smash hits? A swede called Max Martin [wikipedia.org]. Go figure!
Re:What good software or media has come out of Swe (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, sure. You swedes are great at all that stuff, but who do you need to actually provided the bimbos? America, that's who!
Hey, wait a sec...
Re:Other early resellers... (Score:5, Funny)
Hello, I'm mister quotes! When put around certain words, I imply that my use of the word is not 100% correct!
For example, you are a very "clever" person!
Bye!
It's ok (Score:5, Funny)
Apple Beat Microsoft to to the 64 bit desktop! (Score:3, Informative)
Our 64 bit Windows OS Just Works, barely
Makes me want to cry...
Re:Apple Beat Microsoft to to the 64 bit desktop! (Score:3, Informative)
Also, Windows was 64-bit before Apple ever was -- remember Itanium?
Re:Apple Beat Microsoft to to the 64 bit desktop! (Score:4, Insightful)
Microsoft R&D may be great stuff, but it doesn't make it into the products, because the suits are afraid of not making money.
Does this mean... (Score:2, Funny)
No idea how it works in that industry, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyways, my point is, doesn't Apple (or other software companies,) have a similar policy regarding the release of their product and preorders? If not, perhaps they should.
Re:No idea how it works in that industry, but... (Score:5, Funny)
I think the issue is that no OS companies are USED to shipping early. It's a contingency they're not prepared to deal with!
Re:No idea how it works in that industry, but... (Score:5, Interesting)
Perhaps only tangentially related, but I've found that some stores very regularly start selling products before their official release. One that immediately comes to mind, Blockbuster usually starts renting movies about a week before the actual release on DVD.
I wonder, do these "release dates" actually have any legal teeth behind them? Obviously a distributor could refuse to sell anything to those stores that don't cooperate, but such a threat against companies like Blockbuster or WallyWorld amount to cutting off their nose to spite their face - WallyWorld might just respond with "okay, bye", instantly halving the available market for that product.
Re:No idea how it works in that industry, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
(In addition to what the others have said)
If you violate the release date and they find out, you will not get product from that company anymore. (If you are a really big company they just won't ship it until the release day)
This means customers who want the hot product on the day of release won't get it at your store, because you won't even have it until the truck arrives (If you are big, latter that day, small companies sometimes next week, unless it is a big seller when you don't get it until the big g
Maybe... (Score:5, Funny)
Well, that spoiled the buildup. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well, that spoiled the buildup. (Score:5, Funny)
A classic quote from my collection... (Score:4, Funny)
<wrmachine> lame
<psaux> your mom
<wrmachine> see, i don't install beta anything unless i'm beta testing a game
<wrmachine> nor do i install software i don't intend to use
<psaux> I'm installing it in Virtual PC
<psaux> I want to see what's done right and what's done wrong, so that I can give the verbal smackdown to people who are all bitching about things they don't know what they're talking about
<wrmachine> ya i figured it'd be on a virtual pc, but still
<wrmachine> laaaame
<wrmachine> my mom made banana bread
<psaux> does your mom want to help me test my longhorn?
<psaux> it's stable and fast, and it can stay up for months without a problem
<wrmachine> i bet it'll crash as soon as i boot it
This was a mistake?! (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyway, I installed it already, and oh man, it is everything I thought it was going to be. Actually, those ten improvements (Spotlight, Dashboard, Automator, etc.) that everyone's talking about are all pretty cool, but the OS really is significantly faster and smoother than 10.3.x. And a lot cool stuff is changed under the surface. Check the man page for cp, etc., and you'll see what I mean.
I have to say, I really am impressed with this release. Every previous upgrade has been a big surprise and a big improvement, and I was skeptical that Tiger would be anything to jump up and down over, but I really have to say that I've been pleasantly surprised with this one.
And no, I'm not sending it back!
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:4, Funny)
Don't forget the levitation thing tha... oops. Nevermind. Just got my C&D letter.
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:4, Funny)
I CAN'T "check the man page for cp" for another 8 days, you insensitive clod!!
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:5, Informative)
But there is however a significant changes from panther's cp to tiger's cp.
Apple's website outlines it this way: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/unix/
HFS+ CLI file commands
Use command-line commands safely on HFS+ files. Utilities such as cp, mv, tar, rsync now use the same standard APIs as Spotlight and access control lists to handle resource forks properly.
This feature... is so huge. It made the upgrade to tiger worth it just by itself. Previously, unix CLI progs such as cp and mv didn't respect certain features of HFS+.
There are flags on HFS such as hidden, bundle, and custom icons. Also (most importantly) cp didn't respect HFS+ resource forks. This broke a lot of stuff when you tried to manage files with cp. You had to use stuff like CpMac and ditto which were piss poor lacking in features. (couldn't handle symlinks. when it got to broken symlinks, it would just die...)
New cp and mv and even rsync (yes!) uses different API now that respects everything and then some. (first class citizens again!)
Even further than just handling HFS+ correctly, this new cp will invoke Spotlight so that spotlight db is correct always no matter how you manage files. This is totally sweet.
Also this API will respect the new ACL functionality in tiger as well.
A few other notable features of Tiger for me are Xcode 2.0, GCC 4.0, new PDF support for forms and encryptions and such.
All that and ACL and the new CLI utils are less hyped but more important to unix users like me than Dashboard (which runs less than spectacularly on G3 600mhz iMac.)
difference between CpMac and cp (Score:4, Interesting)
CpMac and cp are totally different. try man CpMac... two options. -r and -p... and the behaviors when copying directories are different between cp and CpMac also. (subtlely but importantly.)
CpMac is a very simplistic program existing just because of the HFS+ quirks. It's not very sophisticated while cp (from freeBSD source tree) is full featured and has a pedigree
Like i passingly mentioned in my previous post, CpMac fails when copying broken symlinks.
try this:
ln -s nonexistant_file link
this works:
cp -Rp link copy
this does not
CpMac -r -p link copy
this was an issue when I was trying to back up my MacOSX partition. There is a symlink to
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:4, Interesting)
To clarify, BeOS had/has what I believe is the best of all three worlds. Files on the BFS file system have "attributes", which are labeled bits of data that I suppose are a bit similar to the resource fork on Mac OS, but are also similar in many respects to the attributes where ACLs and other programmable metadata is stored on some filesystems that are appearing for various *nix systems now. There was an attribute that named the MIME-type of the file. If this existed, then when you clicked a file, BeOS would match the MIME-type to an application (and there was an interface where you could easily set up these relationships), and launch that app for you. If the attribute didn't exist, BeOS would look at several things: The extension, if one existed, was a good starting place. Also, the OS would look for magic numbers in the file to ascertain its type. There were a number of pre-programmed types that the OS knew about. I think they were planning to add an API where anybody could add other types to the system. Anyway, this recognition would happen almost instantaneously when a file was clicked. The attribute would be added at that time. And, furthermore, when the computer went idle, a daemon would go through the system, pick out files that didn't have the attribute, ascertain their type, and put the attribute there. In all, I never experienced a time when the system didn't know what to do with a file.
Attributes were also good for other purposes. When in detail view of a folder, you could set up the columns to be whatever you wanted. If it was a folder full of MP3s, for example, you didn't have to see filename, size, creation date, etc. You could set it up to show artist, genre, song name, duration, etc. In fact, you were not limited to pre-programmed types. You could add any attributes that you wanted to any file, even programmatically, and you could perform live Queries (like the Smart Folders in OSX), and you could set up the Detail view to show any columns... In all, the filesystem was very similar to a database. And the *nix-like part of the OS was integrated so well into the GUI part of the system that there was never a problem of kludginess when using both at the same time. 'course, it wasn't really *nix, but it was a beautiful OS design.
Personally, I believe that once the resource forks are treated well enough by all parts of OSX, Apple will find more uses for them once again. Perhaps when copying to a non-HFS system, you'll have the option of outputting a ZIP file that contains all of the information. Who knows. Apple is known for creativity.
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:5, Funny)
It's basically a timing error. Well, Microsoft's own website explains, on a page devoted to this bug:
- This bug will prevent Windows 2000 from starting up.
- In order to fix it, you have to install SP4.
- In order to install SP4, you must be able to get Windows started up.
In other words, you can see that Microsoft is really looking out for you. Sons of bitches.Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:5, Informative)
Before MacOS 10, the Apple file system split files into two segments: A data fork, which looked basically like a conventional DOS/Unix file, and a resource fork, which was a sort of mini-database letting you structure your file contents. This was particularly useful in executable programs; the resource fork would contain icons, menu definitions and the like. It would also contain the program that created the file (the "creator code"). When you double-clicked a file, the system would look at the creator code, find the corresponding application and start it up. This was a much slicker system than file extensions because the file could be called anything you wanted and the association with a program was automatic and unchangeable unless you were familiar with system internals.
A program called ResEdit let you change these definitions and you could do things like define different keyboard shortcuts by playing around with the menu definitions.
This was also used by programs to create data file formats. This was very nice, because if those files contained information in standard Apple formats, it could be easily read and modified by ResEdit and similar programs. So the movie files created by Final Cut Pro, for example, had a lot of the information in the resource fork which made debugging and reading these files a lot easier than the alternatives.
MacOS X attempted to get rid of this entirely, because of a significant problem: Resource forks don't exist in the Windows or Unix world, so copying Mac files to other operating systems was a bit of a non-starter. So in MacOS X, we have file extensions, just like in Windows and Unix, instead of creator codes in the resource fork. You can argue until you're blue in the face by saying resource forks are a much more elegant way to deal with the situation, and you'd be right. But at the same time it hardly matters since most people need to exchange data with Windows computers.
Naturally, MacOS X retained support for the resource fork so that applications such as Final Cut Pro could continue to use it. However, they discouraged use of resource forks in future applications.
The problem was that they didn't tell the Unix utilities like cp about the resource fork. Instead, the utilities would copy all the data fork but not the resources. So if you had a Final Cut Pro file using the resource fork, you could cp it to another folder and the file would not work when you tried opening it.
So in Tiger they have fixed this problem, and the resource forks are now retained, so I can feel free to use cp et al to copy all Mac files, including those with resource forks.
This is, of course, a major victory for people like me who like to use the Unix utilities for file management.
D
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:3, Informative)
That's launchd at work. Getting rid of init and all those separate boot scripts really sped things up.
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:4, Informative)
As I understand it, this means the Linux guys can't use it.
If true, this is not even remotely accidental.
Re:This was a mistake?! (Score:3, Interesting)
Bear in mind that Tiger has been compiled using the Apple optimised version of the new GCC 4. GCC on PowerPC has so far not been as efficient as IBM's own PowerPC compilers, so there has been scope for improvement.
Given the amount of time that Apple's engineers have had to work on this deficit, along with the over all code improvements in GCC 4, and quite probable they've managed to find some extra performance from somewhere.
Never mind all the other profiling and tune ups they've been working on in the l
We've had Tiger for months (Score:4, Interesting)
Most of the stupid JVM bugs specific to OSX that we run into aren't reproducible on the machine running Tiger. Java seems to be really improved in this release.
Re:We've had Tiger for months (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm looking for a good editor to do some Mono work on my mini. Yes, seems a little heretical to be using a java-based editor to write C#, but SharpDevelop hasn't been ported yet.
Thanks.
Chip H.
Some vendors were in a hurry ? (Score:3, Informative)
Question (Score:4, Interesting)
or does one have to wait to the release date for new macs do have 10.4?
No worries... (Score:4, Funny)
So sick of release dates (Score:4, Insightful)
With digital distribution now finally catching on, it would be in the best interest of most companies to release when it's done.. I'd much prefer to download a (legal) burnable disc image than have to wait for a box to show up.
IMHO much piracy is due to impatient souls who simply can't wait for the release. Music is a great exmaple of this. I say when it goes gold, release it. Many of these downloaders would probably pay for it.
Re:So sick of release dates (Score:3, Informative)
The initial amount of tech support that goes into a product the first few months it launches is not the same that is required down the line. There will be a lot of "seasonal" tech support at Apple because of the deluge caused by a new OS. Sometimes these are simple questions answered by reading the "What's New?" part in help but people don't always do that. They have to get ready for this.
To be fair to all distributors Apple gives time for the shipping of the
Re:So sick of release dates (Score:3, Informative)
There are a LOT of reasons why Apple doesn't just dump their product on the website the day it's done. For one, regardless of whether you personally would download a 4gb DVD image, most sales will still be through brick-and-mortar stores. Unless Apple wants to alienate (and likel
I think a better headline would be... (Score:4, Funny)
See, that's what I like about Longhorn...He's Mr. Slow-n-Easy...Just like Barry White.
Re:build number (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I wonder... (Score:5, Interesting)
You know, it's just amazing to see you and everybody else fall for the old accidental "leak" trick.
This "leak", just like that one [betanews.com] is a classic PR trick to get press time. It works, as you can see. Did you even wonder why the "leaks" came all boxed-up (just like the final version) to select individual and companies able to make noise about it?
Re:Best mac links? (Score:3, Informative)
Such as? If you're talking about stuff like
You can get to those directories by doing "Go to Folder..." from the Finder's "Go" menu, or make them visible by editing the
As for a
Re:Best mac links? (Score:3, Informative)
Also, the open(1) command is your friend. "open filename" with open that file using whatever the registered application for it is (just like it was double-clicked in the finder). "open -a appname" will try to find an application in
Re:Best mac links? (Score:4, Insightful)
I call troll.
If you have a one year old PB G4,or a PowerBook G4 or at all, it says so on the computer. Under the screen. In center. You would be blind not to see it, deliberate troll or a retard to call it "a Powerbook G4 or something" when it clearly says "PowerBook G4" on the computer.
Re:Mistake or good marketing... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:First they rip-off BSD, then they (Score:3, Informative)
I believe you greatly misjudge the situation. Do you think FreeBSD is worse off because of Mac OS X?
In any case, do you know Jordan Hubbard is an engineering manager at Apple?
- Scott