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Apple to Release first Tiger Update 132

Posted by Zonk from the patch-early-patch-often dept.
Ninj4Bytes writes "AppleInsider is reporting on the first update to Mac OS X Tiger. The update is reported to address 'over three dozen componets, with an emphasis on improving general stability and reliability'. The patch is listed for a mid to late May release."
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  • Good (Score:5, Informative)

    by Winterblink ( 575267 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:04AM (#12450654) Homepage
    Tiger overall is a great upgrade from Panther. It's got some really neat new features and there's bound to be several of them that anyone will use. That being said, important new core features like Spotlight are not working as advertised for many users. Other things, like Quartz 2D Extreme which is desigend to offload almost all the UI work to the GPU, was buggy enough to be disabled in the Tiger release. There's a lot of work there that's relatively unfinished, and I think it's great that Apple's making motions to get things in order mere weeks after its release.

    • Re: (Score:1, Flamebait)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
      Comment removed based on user account deletion

      • Re:Good (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Golias ( 176380 )
        I've got it running on my iBook, and I think it's pretty slick.

        I had it running on the Mac mini which I'm using for a home theater media console, but my Sonica USB soundcard from M-Audio doesn't work with Tiger at all yet, so I had to downgrade back to 10.3.9.

        (Apparantly M-Audio decided the perfect time to roll up their sleeves and start making 10.4 drivers for their Mac hardware was a week after the retail release.)

        From what I've seen so far, Tiger's a pretty sweet OS, and as soon as M-Audio gets their

        • (Apparantly M-Audio decided the perfect time to roll up their sleeves and start making 10.4 drivers for their Mac hardware was a week after the retail release.)

          M-Audio has a history of doing that. When Panther was released, it took awhile for them to get drivers out for my Revolution 7.1.

          If the Ars Technica review is right, this shouldn't be as big of a problem for future Mac OS X releases. See this [arstechnica.com] for more details.
      • nope been running tiger a little less than a week now.

        My problems were that when I orginially upgraded it failed to install the new dictionary toys, and isync.

        I couldn't find those as seperate packages so i had to upgrade everything again.

        Tiger broke 3 applescripts I was using, and had loaded into my dock, causeing the dock to lock up. When i finally got those removed, Tiger behaved. Firefox though doesn't behave very well, it locks up if I leave it running for a day or so. I can force it closed, then
      • Spotlight is decidedly not the instant search it claims to be. I still use it frequently, and it's still faster than any other search I've ever used on Mac or Windows, but it's not instant. It could be a RAM issue (I've only got 512MB) or a slow HDD (My mini has only a 4200 RPM HDD) but that doesn't change the fact it's slow. That, however, is the only problem I've noticed.

        • Re:Good (Score:4, Informative)

          by Shanep ( 68243 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @12:01PM (#12451872) Homepage
          I have the 1.42GHz mini with the 80Gb drive and 1GB RAM.

          I type in "theo de raadt", just for some obscure example which I figured would get some results, since I'm subscribed to misc@openbsd...

          Somewhere between a quarter of a second and perhaps a half a second of finishing typing his name, the results are up (386 total).

          If I type in "network", same deal. A split second I've got results (1134) and then another split second later they're broken up into 9 categories.

          I am impressed. I've used programs like iSys before, however this is integrated from the desktop all the way to the command line.

          At first I was put off by seeing results come up as a type and this caused me to type slower and make mistakes because I was distracted by that and would look at them before they were as meaningful as they could be. I've since learned to just force myself to concentrate on completing the phrase and then looking.

        • Re:Good (Score:1, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          Spotlight is decidedly not the instant search it claims to be.

          The 4200RPM drive is definitely a limiting factor, as is the bus speed. It's closer to instant on a G5 of any kind, with the much higher bus speed. I reccommend using Smart Folders when possible, as updating searches is much faster than performing a fresh query every time.

          Also, as applications begin using Spotlight internally, you'll find it much more useful. App designers can limit the search to certain data, rather than the truly massive
        • > Spotlight is decidedly not the instant search it claims to be.

          There might be a problem there for you. I hit command+space, and typed in slashdot, and less than 1 second later, I had 27 entries, including some emails that people wrote me 18 months ago about HP calculators. I've found Spotlight to be very fast, and incredibly useful.

          I've got a 1.5 GHz PowerBook G4 with 1 GB RAM.
      • I did an "upgrade" (a general "no-no" from most people, although it doesn't really affect much) and everything has been fine for me. Spotlight takes a moment longer than Quicksilver or Launchbar when it comes to searching, but it also indexes everything. It's also NOT based just on file names.

        For instance, if you type in "word" it'll find documents that contain the word "word" but also .doc files created in word, help files for word, etc. So it's not just based on file names, like the above programs, a

        • Re:Good (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          FYI, Core Image is not Quartz Extreme. Core Image is a toolkit that developers can use to create various visual effects like motion blur and such. Quartz Extreme is a new way for the OS to handle the GUI.

          Core Image will not be used at all until there are new applications that actually make use of it.

          • Re:Good (Score:2, Informative)

            by kronin ( 413035 )
            Also, there's a distinct difference between Quartz Extreme (which is enabled, assuming your graphics card supports it) and Quartz 2D Extreme (which is currently disabled).

            • Re:Good (Score:3, Informative)

              by doggkruse ( 621549 )
              There is an easy way to enable it. Open /Library/Preferences/com.apple.windowserver.plist and change Quartz2DExtremeEnabled to yes.

      • Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Winterblink ( 575267 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:38AM (#12450924) Homepage
        Here's another example.

        In the "Welcome to Tiger" booklet that comes with OSX, there's a shot of Tiger's spotlight search bringing back results showing documents, images, settings, etc. Under the photos, they focus on a section where you can blow out the details of individual photos and see the metadata used by the search to find it. Clearly shown in the sample (and indeed demoed by Steve Jobs himself at various keynotes) are the keywords assigned to the photos in the iPhoto software. This has never been searchable on my system, even after a rebuild and repair of permissions by the install disc. Some people are reporting this is fine, while others are having the exact same problem.
        • This is obviously a bug that needs to be fixed, as I've heard other people reporting it, but it's definitely does work for many. Spotlight searches comments on my iPhoto pictures just fine, and is actually probably my favorite thing to do with Spotlight. Typing a friends name or the name of a place and having pictures of them come up is really nice.

          • Re:Works for me. (Score:3, Informative)

            by Winterblink ( 575267 )
            I've tried commenting mine through iPhoto, adding keywords in iPhoto, and using the new "spotlight comments" feature in Finder. For me, the spotlight comments ended up being the only way I could get spotlight to find it, but that particular item is pure metadata on the file itself, not through the iPhoto application where I've been annotating my photos so far. Hopefully the patch fixes, this. :)

        • Re:Good (Score:3, Informative)

          by Kplusplus ( 617856 )
          Most likely you never let Spotlight finish indexing your entire HD at first install of Tiger. It's a very low priority background task, so the fact it hasn't hit all your files yet isn't surprising. As to those elements not being searchable, they most certainly are, I added spotlight support to the Colloquy IRC client and know this to be a fact.

          Here is a screencap from when I was testing:
          http://matrixpointer.com/screens/xenon_spotlight.p ng [matrixpointer.com]

        • Re:Good (Score:5, Informative)

          by dr.badass ( 25287 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @03:22PM (#12455329) Homepage
          Clearly shown in the sample (and indeed demoed by Steve Jobs himself at various keynotes) are the keywords assigned to the photos in the iPhoto software. This has never been searchable on my system, even after a rebuild and repair of permissions by the install disc.

          I haven't experienced this problem myself, but here are some things you might try, in Terminal:

          mdimport -L will list all of your Spotlight importers -- there should be one for iPhoto, but if there's not, then that's your problem. I don't know why you wouldn't have it, though.

          mdimport -r /System/Library/Spotlight/iPhoto.mdimporter will force Spotlight to reindex everything that that importer can index.
      • So lets see... they control the hardware, and release a product that doesn't quite work right?

        It's more like they released a bunch of products, and only a few of them don't work right in certain circumstances. For the majority, Tiger is fine, but if something does break, it's usually just one thing in a package full of things that work right.

        Also, 10.x.1 releases are to be expected soon after release, as 1) the final version was frozen a month or so prior to the actual release date (so it's been more li
    • Other things, like Quartz 2D Extreme which is desigend to offload almost all the UI work to the GPU, was buggy enough to be disabled in the Tiger release.

      According to Apple Tiger's Quartz Extreme [apple.com] page, this is not the case. Perhaps you need to take a look at the Quartz Extreme Requirements [apple.com].

      For a balanced evaluation of Quartz 2D Extreme, check out this [arstechnica.com] April 28th review by Ars Technica.

      • Re:FUD alert! FUD alert! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Winterblink ( 575267 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:31AM (#12450867) Homepage
        If you take the developer tools and install them, there is a Quartz 2D Extreme debugger utility that indicates the component is indeed there, but disabled. You can enable it, but some people have said it causes some interesting problems.

      • Inaccuracy alert! (Score:5, Informative)

        by avalys ( 221114 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:38AM (#12450922)
        You should check your facts before you accuse other people of spreading FUD. If you read the very article you link (at ArsTechnica), you will see confirmation that Quartz 2D Extreme is disabled in Tiger.

        From the second to last pair of paragraphs in your link...

        "There's one final barrier to hardware-accelerated bliss. Quartz 2D Extreme is disabled by default in Mac OS X 10.4.0. That's right, the whiz-bang new technology you just read all about is not actually used in Tiger unless it's explicitly enabled using the Quartz Debug application. Even then, it only applies to applications that are launched after it was turned on. It also appears that Q2DE is re-disabled when you quit the Quartz Debug application.

        Why develop something as impressive as Quartz 2D Extreme and then leave it turned off by default? My inquiries to Apple have gone unanswered, so I can only speculate about the reasoning behind this decision. My best guess is that all of the bugs could not be excised from Q2DE in time for Tiger's launch date, and that it will be enabled by default in a subsequent update--perhaps as early as version 10.4.1."
        • You should check your facts before you accuse other people of spreading FUD. If you read the very article you link (at ArsTechnica), you will see confirmation that Quartz 2D Extreme is disabled in Tiger.

          I was totally wrong. My appologies to Winterblink. Clearly staed on parargaph 43 of the 46 paragraph, 1 table, and 3 figure Ars coverage of Quartz Extreme in Tiger, it does state that the only way to use Q2DE (if you have the proper graphics card) is to use it in debug mode.

          I am totally perplexed by this
          • You're confused. The splash graphic is "Core Image" at work. There's also a difference between Quartz Extreme and Quartz 2D Extreme. Read the Ars Technic article a little more closely...
            • But even if it is Core Image and not Q2DE doing the "splash", what's with the system specs?

              an ATI Radeon 9600 is not the same as an ATI Radeon 9600 XT, but Apple doesn't even make the XT cards and option for PowerMacs and ships the 9600 with the iMac. Why does Apple make only their top of the line computer support Core Image that they have been promoting?

          • Re:Mea Culpa (Score:1, Informative)

            by Anonymous Coward
            I am totally perplexed by this and wonder why, when Jobs demoed Q2DE in action during a dashboard demo where Q3DE "splashed" the widgets on the desktop, Apple made the decision to disable the technology.

            "Quartz 2D Extreme" is a term used only in a debugging utility -- it isn't something they've demoed to the public. It's not even that interesting -- it just makes some 2D operations faster. Quartz Extreme (the feature introduced in Jaguar) introduced hardware-accelerated compositing, which enabled new fu

            • "Quartz 2D Extreme" is a term used only in a debugging utility -- it isn't something they've demoed to the public. It's not even that interesting -- it just makes some 2D operations faster. Quartz Extreme (the feature introduced in Jaguar) introduced hardware-accelerated compositing, which enabled new functionality, like Expose. "Q2DE" doesn't enable anything new.

              Actually, Q2DE is a lot more interesting that QE imho (although the former requires the latter for optimum efficiency). It allows for trans

      • Quartz Extreme != Quartz 2D Extreme
  • I'd be happy if they re-enabled my Motorola v60's iSyncing. It worked fine in Panther, now it's broken.
  • They did this with Puma and Jaguar. It was 1-2 weeks before they had 10.1.1 and 10.2.1. They just didn't last time...

  • Let's hope they fix Dashboard (Score:4, Interesting)

    by wembley fraggle ( 78346 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:26AM (#12450820) Homepage
    When I got Tiger, I went and downloaded a bunch of Dashboard widgets to try them out. Later, when my Dasboard launchbar grew to 5 screens of widgets I wanted to remove some from the launchbar. Couldn't figure out how to do it, so I went to apple help.



    This is what Help said: "You cannot remove widgets from the Widget Bar or change their order"



    And that's just plain stupid. I hope they fix that soon.

  • Hey, maybe they fixed my bug... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Monthenor ( 42511 ) <monthenor@NOSPam.gogeek.org> on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:31AM (#12450866) Homepage

    I submitted this bug report to Apple the day after Tiger came out. (Bug ID 4104116)

    Summary:
    In Tiger, the iCal Info Drawer becomes an invisible window in Expose's windowing modes when the main window is minimized.

    Steps to Reproduce:
    1) Open iCal.
    2) Open the main iCal window.
    3) Click the "i" button in the lower right (or press command-i) to open the Info Drawer.
    4) Minimize the window.
    5) With iCal as the active application, trigger the Expose "Application Windows" mode.
    6) Mouse over where the Info Drawer would appear if the main iCal window were not minimized.

    A) Now trigger the Expose "All Windows" mode.
    B) Mouse around the empty spots of the screen.

    Expected Results:
    After both step 6 and step B, there should be no window found.

    Actual Results:
    After both step 6 and step B, there is an invisible "window" with no name that can be clicked to activate iCal. It is the approximate size and shape of the iCal Info Drawer.

    Regression:
    OS X 10.4.0 Build 8A428
    iCal 2.0 (1024)

    The bug only occurs IF one is using 10.4.0 AND iCal's main window is open AND the Info Drawer is open AND the main window is minimized. If iCal's main window is open and visible, Expose treats it correctly. If iCal's window is closed, no phantom Expose window appears. If the Info Drawer is closed, no phantom Expose window appears.

    Notes:
    This is obviously not a show-stopping bug, just something very very weird. It does throw off the window-arrangement calculations of Expose, so I suppose it has slight usability implications.

    And once again, as with my iTunes + null separator character bug, it was quickly marked "No Workaround" and I lost privileges to view it. I cannot fathom why they don't want me to see the report again.

  • No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:4, Interesting)

    by xactuary ( 746078 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @10:31AM (#12450870)
    I was at the Apple Store yesterday talking with several employees (wearing very cool spotlight T-shirts) about the lack of AntiVirus for Tiger. They were quite sheepish about the subject and mentioned the training they'd received about how to broach the subject when customers ask about it. The bottom line was that there is no AntiVirus software compatible with Tiger at the moment and that they were to upsell .mac where Apple's servers run AntiVirus on .mac emails. Is this a non-issue? Is it odd that you don't hear much about this? I've read a lot about Tiger over the last six months and that is the first I had heard of this issue.
    • The reason it's not a big issue is that there's hasn't been a successful virus on OS X ... ever. (Well, there are some Office macro viruses, but....)

      Eventually, somebody will manage to get a Mac virus out there, and then this will become an issue.
    • Why would anybody bother trying to write an AntiVirus program for Tiger?

      1. No virus for Tiger exists yet (or, indeed, for any flavor of OS X), so there's nothing put in your code blacklist.

      2. Most Mac users (myself included) generally don't buy AntiVirus software, so you will only be able to sell it to a relatively small fraction of a relatively small market.
      • Some good-natured soul modded my original post to Funny, which is fine but that was not my original intention. My point was that for folks who get lots of attachments from Windoze users and then send them along to others on that platform, it's a good idea to stem the viral tide as a net citizen. These good works cannot be performed if no AntiVirus exists. I can attest to never seeing virii on Mac OS X, as was pointed out above.
        • Yes, but if you are not exchanging word docs or avi files or whatever with Windows users, then there's really no need for AntiVirus software at this point for the typical home Mac user right now.

          Even if you do want to scan a file for Windows virii, you can do so with any of dozens of free web-based utilities. Hell, send it to yourself in a Yahoo or Hotmail e-mail account, and there you have it.
        • If you want to stem the viral tide as net citizen *stop* forwarding the damn viruses.

          No one make a virus that affects me. Besides, the mail server is the point that viruses should be stopped at.

    • The Mac hasn't HAD a non-Word Macrovirus virus since the Autostart Worm, which turned itself off on 25 December 1998 (iirc).

      Unless you count SevenDust, but that's a Classic MacOS virus. :P

      MacOS X needs AV like a horse needs a fifth leg.
    • Clam AV works fine for me on Panther, but I haven't upgraded yet to Tiger. Then again, the only virused emails I get are from buddies on Windows (Hey Man, is this email attachment a virus?). I can safely open and scan the attachment, and let them know.
    • I have been a Mac user since the late 80s and haven't used antivirus software on my Macs since the late 90s.

      I think it is pretty pointless. There really aren't any "Mac" viruses to be concerned about just "PC" viruses that are incompatible.

      In the event that someone actually does write a virus targeting the Mac, I am fairly confident it will be widely publicized and I am certain a patch will be available quickly.
    • "I was at the Apple Store yesterday talking with several employees about the lack of AntiVirus for Tiger."

      Curious. I installed Tiger yesterday, and discovered a new user account had been added: "Clam AV".
      • If you dig around Apple's site, you'll eventually discover Clam AV is included with Tiger Server as its e-mail antivirus solution. It's not actually included with the client version of Tiger, but parity beyond software tools is generally maintained between the two versions (hence your new user).
    • As others have mentioned, it's a non-issue at this point.

      However, the fault of there being no antivirus solution compatible with Tiger lies not with Apple (it's not their market), but with the antivirus vendors.

      Tiger wasn't a secret. McAfee, Symantec, and even the smaller Mac antivirus vendors have access to OS seeding. They had more than enough time to put out a patch for Tiger compatibility. Or, to be more in line with the market, they could have had an entirely "new" version ready to roll for full pric
    • Call me naive, and I've been running Apples for a while now, but do you even NEED AV software at this point? There are no viruses to date for the Mac, and frankly, I'm doubting the possibility in the future. Again, probably naive, but I've put a lot of faith in Apple's engineering team.

  • Tiger w00t? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by el_womble ( 779715 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @11:04AM (#12451144) Homepage

    I can't decide if I like Tiger or not. having splashed out for a family pack, for my iMac G5 (1GB RAM), my Al PowerBook G4 (512MB RAM), my parents Al PowerBook 17" (256MB RAM) and mother-in-law's mini (512MB RAM) I can't say that I've seen anything about it that I would recommend. If anything it feels slower than panther. Spotlight is useful and I played with it for a bit, but its way too slow to be as world changing as we had been promised. I was really looking forward to Automator, but the few times I though it would be useful it wasn't (although I haven't given up yet). Dashboard widgets are an interesting addition, but at a substantial memory cost - I don't feel it on the G5, but the G4s I've got access to you seem to have a choice - Dashboard or Fast User switching... fast user switching is more useful to me.

    My hope is that these new technologies expected Quartz 2D Extereme to be turned on and that once its stable, I'll get the "it just feels snappier" experience that we mac users have come to expect from an upgrade. At the moment this feels more like Win2k to XP.

    To keep this pro apple, its not all bad. There are two technologies that I wouldn't give back: Safari RSS and QuickTime 7, both of which feel positively super charged. But I wouldn't describe them as "worth the ticket price alone", especially as you can now get QT7 for panther.

    This update can't come soon enough. Lets hope it unlocks the true tiger within!

    • I can't say I'm dissapointed with Tiger. It doesn't feel "sluggish," but as for "snappy" I can't really comment because I'm running on a Powerbook anyway.

      Panther was my first version of OS X (only converted last year) so I haven't really "experienced" the ever-increasing speed of OSX.

      However I like the fact that it may get even faster once they work the kinks out of Quartz 2D Extreme... that would just be icing on the cake.
      • I don't know what is wrong with your computers (and grandparent), but my 12" PB is much snappier. All my clustermates who have 12" PBs have upgrade to Tiger and we all agree. For me, I can tell text scrolling in Safari is faster. Also, I don't know what the grandparent said about Spotlight being too slow to be useful. It isn't as fast as in the Keynote, but it'll still search through all the metadata of my filled hard drive in less than five seconds (usually quicker). This upgrade was great. Panther brought
        • It's not running slow, but to be frank I hadn't used my Powerbook about a month before Tiger was released. I had to do too much stuff for work which unfortunately requires I use a Windows machine. So if it did get a speed bump I wouldn't notice it (not just didn't).

          However I have no complaints. Tiger's pretty kick-ass. Thankfully I'm back to using it as my fulltime computer again so all is right with the world :)
    • I know what you mean about the no-feature-shock, but keep in mind that this release seemed to focus almost entirely on changes under the hood. The benefits should come over the next year in terms of new applications, faster OS development, and improved stability.

      Whether they actually will or not is another question, of course, but I'm holding off judgment. In the mean time, I too see no particular reason to rush to upgrade.

      (Unless you're into real-time video compositing, in which case Quartz Composer is a
    • I don't like how I upgraded to QT7 on Panther... and now I can't view a movie full-screen or present a movie... need Pro for that now I guess.

      And just to remind me... in the menus theres tons of options grayed out with the word "PRO" next to it.
    • I noticed a speed improvement on every machine I've put it on. I wonder why we have has such different experiences.
    • My hope is that these new technologies expected Quartz 2D Extereme to be turned on and that once its stable, I'll get the "it just feels snappier" experience that we mac users have come to expect from an upgrade.

      Personally, I find Tiger to be noticably faster on my 1Ghz iBook - and I've been consistently complaining about OS X's dismal UI performance for years. It's still not as snappy as Windows, but it's probably on the same level as GNOME and KDE.

      Indeed, it was the Ars review that convinced the speed

  • and if anyone didnt notice, about the time tiger was released, Adium 0.8 was released, and what an upgrade it is. however, its crashed on me a few times and is laden with bugs. hopefully 0.8.1 will be released alongside Mac OS X 10.4.1. but i haven't noticed any problems with tiger, except one with dashboard. any dashboard widget which has a tooltip-like text that pops up when you hover over part of it will display that tooltip text when that mouse is on that part of the screen when dashboard isn't shown.
  • I hope we're not seeing a new philosophy here: ship an incomplete product to meet a marketing deadline with major features buggy and incomplete, then patch the problems later. There are no serious bugs that I have found yet in all of four days of playing with Tiger intermittently, but I can already tell that Apple basically rushed out an incomplete product here. Risky.

  • Right on schedule (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jht ( 5006 ) on Friday May 06, 2005 @03:40PM (#12455623) Homepage Journal
    This has been Apple's pattern ever since 10.0 - I think it's partly because their beta program is so closely controlled. Despite all the testing they do, it's still a tiny fraction of the number of users who install it in the first few days after release.

    The other thing is that once Apple freezes a release as "GM", then you've got a gap of around a month before the public release. So in the meantime, they've got a head start on fixing issues, plus the ones that come up in the first week or two of public release. That makes for a first bugfix release within a month of launch (which has always been Apple's pattern in the X world), followed by further point releases every couple of months afterwards until the next major rev.

    And that's in addition to the (now) monthly security updates and any other updates to components that come along.

    I've got a whole fleet of Macs (iMac G5, PowerBook 667, PowerBook 15" 1.5 and mini at the office, iMac G3 and a pair of iMac G4s at home), and the way I handle a major update is to try it on one system at launch, because some of my customers will jump immediately. In this case, I threw it on my newer PowerBook G4 (I put my copy of Server on the mini). After the 10.4.1 update, I'll probably start deploying it on a couple of the other Macs, but keep 10.3 around for a while so I can support my 10.3 customers.

    A handful of my customers still use 10.2, but it's not enough to bother keeping a 10.2 system around.

    The disadvantage of Apple's approach is that the new release usually has a lot more little minor bugs and compatibility issues than a new Windows rev, because the new MacOS version is in the hands of relatively few people for a shorter development cycle. On the other hand, the fixes are rapid, and within a couple of months all the straggling 3rd party developers have usually caught up. Apple releases entire new versions of the OS in the time it takes Microsoft to release a service pack.
    • I completely agree with your methodolgy with new Mac operating systems. I work with numerous experienced Mac users and am one myself, and if there is anything that we have all seen since OS 9 came out is, "don't jump in too soon." I think a lot of people new to a Mac will be suprised by this, but that's just the way it is (Apple and WIndows). I installed Tiger on one of my computers, just because I wanted to play with the new features, however, I will wait to put it on my work computers until there is a sol
  • This is good news, Apple is certainly on the right track by quickly updating any bugs and security holes that have been reported by users. I am VERY pleased with Tiger and cannot wait for the update, because every update of 10.3 improved my Mac's performance - I'm pretty sure 10.4.1 will too.

  • License Update? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I consider the brand new Consent to Use of Data in the 10.4.0 License to be broken. Did anyone besides me even notice that Apple had slipped it in there? It's not in the 10.3 License. The new snoop clause they added is wide enough to drive a Mack truck full our personal data through. I wonder if they'll be patching the terms. Maybe they'll make it a little more user protective.

    See the new 4. Consent to Use of Data clause [apple.com] here. While the link is to a sample license, clause 4 is the same as the licen

  • pro-Apple: This is great! Apple's getting their bug fixes out to their customers within only a few weeks after release! Let's see M$ try and release a service pack that fast, ha-ha!

    anti-Apple: This is ridiculous! If Apple can release a major set of bug fixes this soon after releasing the OS, why didn't they just put off the release date a few weeks so they could sell it with the fixed bugs?
  • Tiger is a really good upgrade *cough* a tad rough *cough*

    I hope they get .1 out quick

  • Apple to Release first Tiger Update (Score:4, Funny)

    by Oscar_Wilde ( 170568 ) on Saturday May 07, 2005 @12:59AM (#12460213) Homepage
    Apple to Release first Tiger Update

    Oh good! I was worried it would be released by Microsoft.
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