Elive Beta: Enlightenment Sans Commitment 57
An anonymous reader writes "Elive, the ultra-slick Debian based Enlightenment (16.7 and 17) liveCD project has released version 0.1 for download. See the package and features list for more information. A screenshot tour is also available."
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GNOME and KDE
They both have tried to translate the unix philosophy in the gui world. Where there is translation, there is interpretation and therefore we have 2 different point of view of what should be the unix philosphy in a visual environment.
But to say they havent understood it, means you know a better way to translate it in the gui world and I'm really curious to know your ideas about that.
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I'll quote from a discussion [joelonsoftware.com] that was linked to from a recent post [slashdot.org] on
The Unix programmer will create a command-line or text-driven core and occasionally, as an afterthought, build a GUI which drives that core. This way the main operations of the application will be available to other programmers who can invoke the program on the command line and read the results as text. The Windows programmer will tend to start with a GUI, and occasionally, as an afterthoug
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If shell scripting is all that matters to you, both environment can do it. And kde even have the dcop environment to interract with the applications from the shell.
But to me, unix philosophy is more abstract than just making a reference to or the use of, scripting.
From what I understand of it, it means making the smallest piece of software possible so that you can build more complex uses by connecting them.
Gnome did that their way by developping a lot of specialized librairi
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The only thing it's missing is a lisp interpreter, and that may be because a lisp interpreter could actually be useful.
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Or you could just try compiling it from source (which is actually really hard for Enlightenment, since you have to go through each directory and compile each library, which takes forever, at least for CVS).
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Firefox/Mozilla icon (Score:2)
Re:Firefox/Mozilla icon (Score:1, Informative)
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wow (Score:1)
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bottom toolbar (Score:1, Funny)
Anyone know where I can get it for OS X?
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So many live-cds... (Score:1)
It would be cool.
Re:So many live-cds... (Score:2)
chroot to the ISO mounted as a loopback device (mount -t loop
Gujin bootloader on loopback
http://gujin.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
Smart Boot Manager might find the kernel, too.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ [sourceforge.net]
Using a loopback, you won't need a whole partition to itself, but the filesystem sees the file (ISO) as a partition.
Re:E-Pants? (Score:1)
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2. Who's "you guys?" The development team of the Linux kernel? Every Linux user? I certainly don't want to lose my choice to use the Ion window manager and the naim instant messaging client and the Mozilla browser just because of some ill-advised quest for market share.
3. OS X has what, 4, 5 percent of the market?
4. Let's not even get into the i-apps on OS X. How is that any better than G or K or X or E-everything?
5. Firefox is Firefox, not Linux. The prefs are in different menu locations because of different conventions on the different platforms. Firefox already looks and feels too much like a Windows application on Linux.
6. Many distributions have graphical interfaces for manipulating system settings. All of the prominent desktop environments have settings dialogs as well. This shouldn't and doesn't prevent me from using a distribution (Slackware) that relies on directly editing configuration files.
7. When Windows has even the slightest amount of consistency in terms of preference windows (or, hell, file choosers), you may have a point.
8. Actually, you still wouldn't. KDE and GNOME applications both have perfectly good reasons to maintain consistency within themselves. Fans of GNOME don't want the clutter of KDE, and fans of KDE don't want the stark minimalism of GNOME. I don't want either.
9. Some people work on eye candy. Some don't. People work on what they want to.
10. Again, let me reiterate: I don't give a flying fuck what the PC manufacturers take notice of. As long as Slackware works fine on my machine, I'm perfectly content. "World domination" is not a goal. There's no valid reason that Linux should be prominent over any other free (as in freedom) operating system. Choice is good.
11. Finally: Enlightenment users are currently a minority of Linux users. You can't use a specific complaint about the former to damn the latter.
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I assume you know what they say about assumptions.
"If you guys want Linux to be as widely used as Windows and OSX you have to standardize."
Standardize what? The look? The feel? The administration tools?
"a standard set of applications."
Applications? What's unstandard about the avaliable linux desktop applications?
I think you might mean A set of applications exactily like Windows OR OSX since the ones I am thinking of are not standard ac
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Yes, standardizing all three of those things would be a good start.
Linux: vi, emacs, pico, gedit, OpenOffice.org, etc. Which one should I use to type up a grocery list? The problem is that I could use any of those programs to write a gro
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For what it's worth, William, I'm almost exclusively a free software user, avoid Windows like the plague, and agree with nearly everything you've said. Generally, the trouble is that evangelism doesn't work, but is significantly easier than making a product that makes people want to use it.
This isn't a critique of Linux or F/OSS. I'm happy to use it instead of Microsoft products, but I don't expect my friends, family, or colleagues to unless I can actually show them something compelling. Saying "I don'
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vi, emacs, pico, gedit, OpenOffice.org, etc. [...] The problem is that I could use any of those programs[...] But they all use very different interfaces.
I could use Notepad [...] Wordpad if I need [...] The icons in Wordpad are the same as almost every other Windows program. I know which button is the "Save" button [...]. [...] No messy text-based installers, no headaches.
okay, sorry for the me
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"Linux: vi, emacs, pico, gedit, OpenOffice.org, etc. Which one should I use to type up a grocery list?"
Windows: edit, wordpad, notepad, Word, acrobat, wordperfect, acrobat, openoffice.org. Type your grocery list in any or all of them.
The linux approach to "keeping the icons the same" is through the various toolkits. gtk, qt, ewl to name a few. You think that they are ugly, I think that windows is ugly.
"The problem is that I could use any of those programs to write a grocery list, and most if not
Re:E-Pants? (Score:3, Funny)
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You are insaine.
Have you ever tried to find the location of the SendTo folder in widows? Guess what you have to do something totally different in win 98 and XP.
I could go on and on but why bother. You have never written code for windows or else you would never make that statement.
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But if you want try and put write the code that finds the sendto in ME and XP? they where out at the same time and the methods are very different and poorly documented!
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Boreing..... (Score:2, Informative)
Pulleeze try theeese
http://get-e.org/Screenshots/Official/_previews/e1 7-34.jpg.html [get-e.org]
http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted/_previ ews/e17_japan.png.html [get-e.org]
http://get-e.org/Screenshots/Official/_previews/e1 7-33.jpg.html [get-e.org]
http://get-e.org/Screenshots/User_Submitted/_previ ews/e17_gant_theme2.png.html [get-e.org]
http://get-e.org/Screenshots/Official/_previews/e1 7-31.jpg.html [get-e.org]
Torrent Download (Score:1, Informative)
http://mirror.hrnoc.net/pub/torrents/Elive_0.1_ni
Re:haha... blech (Score:4, Informative)
It may seem like that. But Enlightenment was first. I was using Enlightenment well before OS X first came out (and I then bought a Mac with OS X and retired my Enlightenment machine, mind you).
But Enlightenment was excellent way back when. There are some things I still miss, like the pagers (although Expose is cool as well).
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt to assume you're talking about OS X, and not talking about OS 9 or previous systems. Because they bear absolutely no resemblance at all to Enlightenment. So if that's what you're suggesting than you're not just wrong, you're insane.
ah enlightnement (Score:1)
Enlightenment is Slow (Score:1, Interesting)
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That's more powerful than the P3, isn't it?
Paradigm (Score:1)
As a user, I'd much rather click to say, "I want to go back to _this_ application."
If E17 has adopted the Mac paradigm in this respect I'm most impressed.
On a more general note, I wonder how long it will take Apple Legal to become interested.
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Also, last time I checked, both KDE and Windows XP had taskbar grouping which does roughly the same thing. (Although I don't remember the feature you're talking about.)
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Get-e.org (Score:2)