FCC Wants to Track Wireless 328
pin_gween writes "According to an article on ZDNet, the FCC wants the ability to track Wi-fi accessible phones like the ZyXel phone. The FCC's June report talked about several ways of realizing a caller's location: 'creating an "inventory" of every Wi-Fi access point in the United States, engaging in "mapping and triangulation" of those access points, compiling an "access jack inventory" for wired VoIP users, or even mandating that Net phones include GPS.'"
Ye gods (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ye gods (Score:2)
It makes me wonder why we as the most advanced and technologically superior country, have failed to capture Osama bin Laden yet yet continues to direct operations against us 4 years la
Re:Ye gods (Score:4, Insightful)
You can blame part of that on the idiots who leaked to the press that we were tracking Osama and listening to his satphone calls. Osama's no idiot - as soon as that hit the press, guess what? No more satphone calls.
Re:Ye gods (Score:2)
"Publish and be damned!"
"Information wants to be free!"
For the record, I think it's completely irresponsible for the press to publish such things, but hey! they're allowed and to hell with the federal budget and if the military has to occupy foreign nations for indeterminate amounts of time, that just sells more copy. It's all about ratings and sales...
Re:Ye gods (Score:3, Insightful)
They have other priorities. (Score:2)
Since he apparently hasn't broken any law, he's not worth catching.
What? I'm sure that if there's a case for several thousand cases of 1st degree murder, there would be something about it on TV every now and then.
Re:Ye gods (Score:2)
Huh... according to high ranking scuttlebutt at the pentagon we've known precisely where OBL has been hiding for the past few years. Independantly related to me by two separate individuals... Top Men [imdb.com], both.
I think the real suprise is that you totally buy the whole "we're so inept we can't find a dialysis patient in the middle of a country the size of Texas" argument. Would you
Re:Presumption (Score:2)
Re:Ye gods (Score:5, Interesting)
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison
The Bush administration makes me feel like I'm stumbling through a bad dream.
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Re:Ye gods (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ye gods (Score:2)
Is this about 911 or 9/11
Re:Ye gods (Score:2, Informative)
When words and actions conflict... (Score:5, Insightful)
If they were just trying to locate 911 callers, this could easily be done with a caller-enabled location system. When someone dialed 911, and only when someone dialed 911, it could report the location.
But what they're looking to do is much more. They want a system to enable law enforcers to quickly locate any individual person in the country. In other words, locating 911 callers is just a rather transparent excuse.
Re:When words and actions conflict... (Score:4, Interesting)
Folks, if you didn't see this coming, you haven't been paying attention.
Re:When words and actions conflict... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:When words and actions conflict... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:When words and actions conflict... (Score:4, Interesting)
So if you walk from A to B, "they" will know your path from leaving the door on A until entering the door on B. Not hard to figure out where you are if "they" don't get a signal while you're indoors somewhere.
Noticed how the conspirationalist "they" becomes more and more fitting to the matter at hand? Imagine I'd left off the apostrophes and just wrote they and everyone reading would know what I mean. How long until that time? As a citizen of the former communist East Germany, I tell you: "they" was commonplace there. "They" is just what people from inside the country call what outsiders would name "the regime". And as the actions of various US branches of authority converge, it certainly will be called "the regime" from the outside not too far from now.
Re:When words and actions conflict... (Score:4, Interesting)
From what I understand from friends in Eastern Europe (former Soviet controlled states), this is already happening. Even on their local television stations, "they" are referred to as the "Bush regime." Also, the people in these former communist countries swear up and down that Bush and his crew are communist (they explained to me that they mean this in the Stalinist fashion, not Marxism).
Re:When words and actions conflict... (Score:3, Interesting)
Could it be possible that the Dubya regime is finally planning to "bring the war home, all the way home"?
Dubya's goals changed from "...no place to hide, we'll smoke Osama bin Laden out..." to "...Osama's just one person, and not significant anymore...".
It also changed from "...we'll liberate Iraqi's and their WMD, while imprisoning Saddam bin Laden..." to (what
Re:When words and actions conflict... (Score:3, Insightful)
It's just like an entitlement, but instead of votes, the politician gets money. This money funds advertising, which gets votes. (Those that think money/advertising does not lead to votes has never been involved with politics.)
Re:Hang on... (Score:3, Interesting)
eric
Next up from the FCC (Score:5, Insightful)
One question! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:One question! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:One question! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:One question! (Score:2)
You don't. You look it up when you need it. If there's somebody in particular you want to track, you track HIS data.
Frankly, I'm not terribly whoop-de-doo'd about the gov't being able to track me. Let them. Afterall, it's not like they can track my credit card transactions or anything.
Re:One question! (Score:3, Insightful)
They could easily track everyone in the United States at all times given that every
Re:One question! (Score:2)
They are competent enough (Score:3, Insightful)
Damn, that was fast (Score:2, Funny)
Damn, they sure clamped down on THAT idea fast!
Be wary? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Be wary? (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree with the main point you're making. The US is fast becoming an orwellian society imo
warrant only? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:warrant only? (Score:2)
Cowardly Wankers (from article) (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, if you cant stand in front of a conference type event that you evidently called for, and have the press print you as a source, I think thats seriously pathetic.
Here, here (Score:5, Insightful)
EVERY access point? (Score:5, Interesting)
I can't even imagine the immensity of that task. There must be millions of APs in the US, and the list would change on a day-to-day basis.
Without SSID broadcast, it wouldn't even necessarily be possible to discover them all.
milieu control (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, Ultimately, it will mean that many businesses are started elsewhere, not in the US, but isn't that the case already?
The power elite car
Re:EVERY access point? (Score:2, Insightful)
The answer is simple young padawan.
Taking off my tinfoil hat for a moment, the goal isn't really to catalog all wifi devices. Its more about justifying your budget and maintaining the image of staying with the times and keeping the pressur
Re:EVERY access point? (Score:3, Informative)
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WiFiMaps.com (Score:3, Informative)
Re:EVERY access point? (Score:2)
Triangulation is impossible (Score:5, Interesting)
The article states that there will occur a "mapping and triangulation" of the access points. Triangulation may have worked to sniff out the spies in World War II, but nowadays it's ineffective for one simple reason: the number of branches to and from each node is too high.
I've worked (someone with a job on /.!) with WiFi access points for some time, and we constantly came across this hurdle. It's interesting that as technology develops, the capacity of both surveillance and anonymity increases.
Food for thought.
Re:Triangulation is impossible (Score:2)
Exactly. Good luck tracking down that nefarious "linksys-g" node when there are four of them on the same block.
Big Brother (Score:5, Insightful)
This could be used as a tool for big brother, not just 911 calls. You are as naive as a child if you don't see the dark possibilities [uncoveror.com] in this. The FCC commissioners probably only see a new toy to play with in this tracking technology, and have no concept of the monster they are creating. Those who will exploit it are counting on the FCC to not "get it".
That monster in the closet... (Score:3, Interesting)
The really bad ideas always start out in the clothing of good ideas and then just sort of creep down the slippery slope.
The problem with these tools is that the people using them imagine themselves to be unambiguously the good guys. And the sad truth is that often they are the good guys. But they don't understand that they have no way of assuring that the p
problem? (Score:3, Insightful)
if the fcc is a government agency, paid by taxpayers, shouldnt we know the identity of the officials and who said what? why are they hiding if they want to know where we are? even if it is *only* for emergency responders...
I want my GPS! (Score:3, Interesting)
this is NOT rocket science (Score:5, Insightful)
If you want to be located when you call 911, maintain a land-line. Where is the goddamn rocket science here, people?
You know what? If you don't have a land-line and you have to call 911 and can't speak...well, maybe you die. It happens. Sucks, but it happens. I hate this society...we've become obsessed with throwing huge wads of cash, effort, and legislation at the stupidest problems. 700,000 people die each year of heart disease; zero people a year die from terrorism. We spend billions on one, not on the other...and when Little Timmy dies because he choked on a marble 'cause mommy wasn't watching him, we get "Timmy's Law" which solves a Darwinism problem.
Re:this is NOT rocket science (Score:3, Insightful)
If you want to be located when you call 911, maintain a land-line. Where is the goddamn rocket science here, people?
Because we all know that all situations that necessitate a 911 call happen in a person's home.
We're all suffering (Score:3, Insightful)
I do not know how much we spend on heart disease research, but I highly doubt that it's anywhere near the cost of the Afganistan war, the Iraq war, the creation of the Department of Home
Re:this is NOT rocket science (Score:3, Insightful)
Sometimes when things like this happen, we are too jazzed to think clearly about our location. If it is automatically sent, all the better."
Then have it automatically sent. Why does the government need to track the location? The device can know its location. Then when it phones 911 it can send its location automatically to emergency services.
Why does the government have to track it at all or any time?
Save The Children! (Score:2)
Never mind the man in the corner who is really pulling the strings and thinks he ought to be able to track any citizen at will without anything even resembling just cause. That boogeyman do
Good thing... (Score:5, Informative)
We (enterprise) have a hard enough job tracking our own and our rogue points. And it's not like users ever want to have a mobile access point for presentations at non-wifi locations.
And what about every laptop that is automagically converted into a wireless bridge/access point with a few clicks?
On top of which, what is it really necessary to track every wap? To "triangulate" a connection they'd still need to trace the origins of a voip call over the IP connection to figure out where the call was made. A wifi access point map doesn't give you much if you haven't got a way of sourcing the call.
More proof that the government just wants power (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a good example of why I vote libertarian in every election. The government doesn't need to be able to track cell phones because it already has the powers it needs to control the influx of terrorists: deportation, border security and wire-tapping regular conversations. If our government cared less about not offending people and more about really using its basic powers first to fight major crime and terrorism, we wouldn't be wasting our time reading about this stuff.
Lets just hope they go for GPS (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Lets just hope they go for GPS (Score:2)
stupid (Score:3, Insightful)
Firstly: have each ap have a programmable text location in case the handset dialer dials e911. Make it part of the setup app that you should fill this address in if you want voip to work properly, but can be disabled if the owner overrides it.
Second: This is so over-the-top paranoid gay, why not say all ip-addresses have to have full gps location tags with each packet (which is close to what this means). "Hey user_bob01, wave at the sky, you're on keyhole camera!". I understand there is a risk of criminal use, but add a little control to the server side so if a number is being used it can be tracked to it's ip and you can guess where that is from the geoip tables. This shouldn't happen often enough for this to be regulated.
Man the FCC is going psycho lately, wtf? Do I have to worry that my next cellphone will rfid tag my balls when i put it in my pocket?
Re:stupid (Score:2)
For that matter, I don't want to be tracked either.
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Question (Score:5, Insightful)
If the answer to the first question is 'no', the next question is "Is anyone getting sick of the lies being told by our governments as a matter of routine?"
Re:Question (Score:2, Funny)
Some of us happen to enjoy being lied to!
For many of us (and I know I speak for alot of my fellow devout Americans), make-believe is a significant lifestyle choice that helps us get through trying times.
Re:Question (Score:2)
If they weren't, then we would have somehow amassed the amazing nexus of concentration necessary to come to the realization that it would take an attack on the scale of 9/11 every few months for terrorists to be anywhere near as much of a threat as, say, drunk drivers or tobacco marketing executives. But we haven't, even though it's a pa
Re:Question (Score:2)
So, ignore the infrustructure implications for.... (Score:3, Insightful)
"For one thing, what if someone doesn't want 911 service on his or her VoIP phone? I already have a landline and a cell phone at home, and I might add a VoIP phone to the mix. I don't need 911 service and don't wish to pay higher prices for a GPS receiver or location-identifying hardware that would be included in it. Mandating 911 service would amount to a tax on VoIP customers."
I'll start out by saying I think the above reason is really kinda weak. There are other problems to be hashed out, but I'm just looking at this for the moment.
If anyone has read "This is Burning Man" by Brian Doherty, this will fall similarlly in line (its near the end of the book):
America seems to have grown up in an environment that gives the false illusion that they are safe. Child safety locks on cars and meds, etc. While there are a batch of people (and I'll personally go out on a limb and say over half as I'm an optimist at times) who can generally figure out whats safe and what isn't. There is still a large contingency (especially at large festivals such as Burning Man or Bonnaroo) who will push that limits to the point where they could/do die from their own actions. These people exist in society as we know it, and it isnt until they are in a dangerious situation that they dont realize it or choose to ignore it, and harm themselves.
Now, with that in mind, you and I both know, that there will be someone, somewhere, who does something insanely stupid (like making meth in a hillbilly home methlab), will need to call 911, and cant cause they were too cheap to get a real phone. Now, personally, i'm kinda ok with standing back and saying "well, Darwin was right after all", but the general public, in all of their emotional-based reactions and overzealous desire for safety , probably wont bode well with that***, and a nasty mess will ensue in the media and lots of other things. So, while there are other issues to be hashed out about who has access to what databases, I can understand why, from a fundimental level of ensuring access to emergency services, it (IMHO) should be required.
*** Steven Levett made an interesting point in Freakonomics: People dont have fear/outrage for the more probable, but very distant disasters, such as heart disease that can kill them, but instead focus their energy and fear/outrage on things that are very miniscule, such as terrorism attacks.
The U.S. government spends more on surveillance... (Score:5, Insightful)
The U.S. government engages in more surveillance than any other country in the history of the world. The U.S. government spends more on surveillance than any country in the history of the world, and U.S. taxpayers are not allowed to know true total amount.
The departments of the U.S. government such as the CIA and NSA and FBI function as a world-wide secret police. Sure, they have openly acknowledged purposes, but much of what they do and how they do it is hidden from U.S. citizens. There are departments of the U.S. government that do secret police work whose names are even secret. United States taxpayers are expected to pay, and vote, and they are expected to accept that they won't have the full facts of the activities of their government. United States citizens are not allowed to know enough to base their vote on the facts.
Historically, U.S. government surveillance has had some political or economic benefit for those who wanted the surveillance.
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Question on how??? (Score:5, Interesting)
To triangulate a broadcast location, don't you need at least 3 reciever stations in the immediate area?
If so, wouldn't that mean that you would already be in a decently populated area (we are taling about calling 911 in public, right?) where someone nearby should be able to find a land line while you are bleeding in the street?
Sounds like maybe 911 shouldn't be available with these phones, or that it should be a known risk in buying one that it may contribute to your death when operators have no idea where you are.
Re:Question on how??? (Score:2)
For WiFi, acctually, only two receiver stations are needed in order to plot an X-Y location. The Gestapo during WW-II needed only one mobile receiver in order to triangulate a transmission source. The use of additional receiver stations should speed up the acquisition of the transmission coordinates as buildings or other structures could obscure/block the WiFi signals.
OTOH, GPS does require at least 3
I Don't Understand What All the Fuss is About (Score:5, Funny)
The main problem with the griping about what the FCC proposes is that people don't want to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Instead of making sure they keep their noses clean to keep the FCC from taking an interest in their activities, they expect the nanny state to go the extra mile to create the illusion of privacy. That's the problem with most people these days. They have no sense of personal responsibility and expect the nanny state to do everything for them. This line of thinking is what costs lives to terrorism. If everyone let the government keep track of everywhere they go and everything they do, then the only people who would have anything to fear would be the true bad guys. Every other citizen would be safe and they would know that [tt]heir privacy was assured since they took it upon themselves to walk the straight and narrow.
Come on people! This stuff is simple. Instead of expecting the government to do everything for you take matters into your own hands by letting the government track you! It's not that hard to follow this line of thinking. I know that the Bush administration has definitely moved in a much better direction by stepping up surveillance. We haven't had one attack since 9/11 here and it's because we've given up the illusion of privacy for true personal privacy that WE control ourselves by NOT being criminals. Why is this so hard for everyone to get?
Re:I Don't Understand What All the Fuss is About (Score:3, Funny)
After all, when you ban all wifi, then only criminals will have wifi.
So then you can just arrest everyone who uses wifi, just like in Florida.
After all, it worked with the war on drugs, didn't it?
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Re:I Don't Understand What All the Fuss is About (Score:2)
Then we can find out who's responsible for all this pollution shit I keep hearing about.
you must be joking... (Score:2)
This is the kind of thing that makes me afraid of my neighbors. I hope you never go into politics.
Of course... you're certain that people NEVER abuse their power... and governments NEVER go corrupt. After all, that's never happened before in history, right? Give me a break.
Re:you must be joking... (Score:2)
Re:I Don't Understand What All the Fuss is About (Score:5, Insightful)
You are modded as funny and this would have been a great troll. But sadly, I think you are putting forth this argument in earnest. It is certainly an argument that is out there and is why many cities around the world have started putting cameras everywhere.
Where are all these terrorists? Can you show me convictions in a US court? I'd love to hear about some. And how does this capability make the US safer?
I'm sure quite a few of the 2 million people currently being held in US prisons thought the same thing. Perhaps you cannot imagine that there might be corrupt cops or the justice system might favor the white and rich over the colored and poor. The whole premise of this comment falls apart the moment you can no longer trust the justice system - and you are a fool if you trust ours.
The issue is not the nanny state. The issue is about a police state. It is why we have the Fourth Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
To recap, a system the FCC proposes violates the right of citizens to be secure from unreasonable searches. It is not based on probable cause and it is not particular as to what is being searched and why. In other words, it is unconstitutional. It is really that simple.
Re:I Don't Understand What All the Fuss is About (Score:3, Informative)
The FCC are in the insurance business now?
The word you want is ensure, not insure. One small letter. A world of different meaning. It's a common mistake.
Yeah I feel like a spelling Nazi today. So sue me.
Re:I Don't Understand What All the Fuss is About (Score:2)
For those of us joining late, parent=not serious (Score:3, Insightful)
Those two lines alone are a dead giveaway. Anyone intelligent enough to actually form a coherent, properly spelled rant is also intelligent enough not to
What it's about (Score:3, Interesting)
Frankly (Score:2, Insightful)
My Phone (Score:2, Insightful)
Even when it is off, 911 operators can determine your position. Good; there's no reason they shouldn't be able to - it's for safety's sake.
When it is turned on, this message is shown: "Sprint PCS and those parties you have given permission to will now be able to retrieve your location from the network."
What qualifies as permission given? Was there some small text
I surrender (Score:2)
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Re:I surrender (Score:2)
Just put it right next to my alien implant....
Where's Waldo... (Score:2)
It's simply a matter of doing the math, based on how long it takes signals to reach the handset from a couple of towers, vs. the known/fixed coordinates of the towers. Nearly as accurate as consumer GPS, but with the additional benefit of being able to work indoors
This may not be so bad. But read on. (Score:5, Interesting)
Automatic routing of cellular 911 calls was introduced because manual routing worked very badly. California used to route all 911 calls from cell phones to the California Highway Patrol. As cell phones became more common, CHP dispatch was overwhelmed. By 2002, the CHP was getting over 8 million calls a year, most of which didn't involve freeway incidents, which is most of what the CHP handles. Call hold times on 911 were reaching 10 minutes during peak periods. The CHP was running a huge call center, which basically asked where callers were and forwarded their calls to some local 911 dispatch center.
That's the background for cellular 911. It's convenient that the dispatcher gets the location of the caller, but the real benefit is that the call gets sent to the right dispatcher.
If 911 routing isn't automated for VoIP, where should the calls go? Some call center in Bangalore? If the VoIP provider doesn't have some clue where the caller is, that's about all they can do.
There's worse stuff than this going on. The extension of the "Commmunications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act" rules to VoIP is much more of a Big Brother thing. If you aren't aware of how this works, the basic concept is that wiretapping has been built into the phone system, and wiretaps are now delivered to law enforcement over T1 lines. The US wiretapping system is run by Verisign. [verisign.com] That's being extended to VoIP.
And GPS can't be fooled??? (Score:2, Insightful)
The REAL bad guys won't be caught with this, only the poor slobs who make mistakes...
Spyware Gets a Hard On (Score:2, Insightful)
It will be a massive mining operation of information. For sale, for study, for research... who the hell cares. Nothing good can come from it.
People won't stop using cell phones because the technology is put in them to track. Most people are ignorant of the dev
Is this... (Score:2)
"You can use this spectrum for whatever you like, provided you keep the emissions down to x and we can listen in to anything you say"
Say they do this, what is to stop the terrorists from using ham frequencies and using an encrypted signal? Yet again this is the problem with the FCC at the moment, they don't seem to understand the problem.
Say they block the ham frequencies, whats stopping the terrorists from sticking up UHF transmitter and broadcasting an encr
The change of power in the information age (Score:4, Interesting)
The people who develop and engineer technology that is used to direct violence (directed violence being the police, the military, and the mafia, as opposed to random criminal acts) can ensure that this violence is never directed against themselves by building safeguards into the technology that prevents it from being used against those of the technology 'guild'. Technologists need to develop a new consciousness that transcends nationalism and corporatism and focuses on the idea that we should put the needs of the global tech community above the needs of the various governments, corporations, and religions.
High tech terrorism exists because the technicians are willing to give a higher loyalty to the religious fanatics who order other technical people to be randomly killed than they do to technical people that they are killing. This is wrong. We should protect ourselves first. Since we design and build the technology, we should ensure that the technology is not used against us. We should start doing this by refusing to use high technology against other members of the global tech community regardless of their nationality, religion, or corporate affiliation.
It's time for a very quiet, very discrete shift in loyalty in the global tech community. We need to develop the deep idea that our primary allegiance is to our own people, and our secondary allegiance is to God, country, and corporation.
Generals, CEOs, mullahs, and presidents can never make world peace or progress. They simply have too much gain from constant endless wasteful war. But since the modern means of directing violence is increasing based on technology, we, the designers and builders of this technology, have more control over the systematic application of violence than the nominal rulers of society.
Why should we care if the government, the police, the fascist mullahs, or the mafia is using technology against the people? Just as long as they are not using it against our people.
This meme is one of the primal ideas of the new Information age that is developing out of the excesses and breakdowns of the Nation-State Age.
Re:The change of power in the information age (Score:4, Interesting)
Woohoo...GPS in every wi-fi phone (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure, GPS works outside, with a mostly unobstructed view of the sky.
Ever use GPS in a canyon (urban or in the boonies)?
How about with large overhanging objects overhead?
How about indoors?
GPS is everywhere, sorta.
But the reality is that Wi-Fi goes a lot of places GPS does not.
Patent minefield (Score:3, Informative)
It is a patent on using the known location of an access point. It's not specific to 911, but I think it would be covered.
Re:Yum! yes please I'm an American (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.cannabisculture.com/ [cannabisculture.com]
Emery is a CANADIAN citizen who has NOT been in the U.S. for over a decade, and operates his business from within Canada, including his web servers, etc.
Yet, despite all of that, the DEA has sought his extradiction
Point of my tirade is that moving may not help; in large part due to technology, such as being described in this Slashdot news item.
Ron
Re:Yum! yes please I'm an American (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Just like cell phones (Score:5, Insightful)
They want you to believe they need full-time, universal access to your location in order to locate you when you dial 911.
That's obviously false. They only need your location to be reported when you dial 911.
The way it should work:
1) your phone is able to determine its current location at any time
2) if you dial 911, your phone sends along its current location information
It's that simple. The idea that it's a choice between safety and freedom is a lie, and a pretty barefaced one at that.
Re:Just like cell phones (Score:2)
I'm with Franklin on this one... (Score:2, Insightful)
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Attributed to Benjamin Franklin
Re:They can have my wireless access point... (Score:2)
I get this image of a black windowless van driving around war driving (but they'll call it something else, like "freedom driving") looking for unregistered APs. I'll get a knock on my door and be met by a pale man in a black suit and hat, flanked on either side with armed helmeted shock troops demanding to know why I haven't registered my AP yet. If I answer anything other then a very plausable "I did, but the governme
Re:Obilgatory.... (Score:3, Funny)