Dvorak on Microsoft Confusing the Market 456
DigitalDame2 writes "With news of there being 7 Vista editions, PC Magazine Columnist John C. Dvorak takes a hilarious spin on the different Vistas with some recommendations of his own. How about the Vista Porn Edition? All the great porn sites would be pre-bookmarked. Gamer Case-Mod Edition? It can be ultraoptimized for games with a blinking hard-drive light. You can even go as far as the Microsoft Vista for Costco Customers: the Cheaper Edition."
Good informative link (Score:5, Informative)
An excellent description of all the various flavors of Vista and their respective features and intended niches can be found here [winsupersite.com].
I'm bookmarking this page...it's only a matter of time before I'll be required to know this information.
No such thing (Score:5, Insightful)
Do you mean all of the beta versions that 3rd parties are guessing will exist, or did they actually go into the future to get this information?
As of this point, "Vista" is still very much in early Beta. It hasn't been released to the public as a finished product, and hasn't come anywhere near being finalized, I'm sure. What's the point of punditizing something that doesn't even exist, and will probably still change substantially between it's current beta and final release? That's like critiquing next year's pop bands today.
Re:No such thing (Score:5, Funny)
Well, that's not very hard, now, is it?
For instance, the boy band is going to be somewhat effeminate and very popular with young girls. It'll be a shame that none of them can play instruments, but their androgynous crooning will win them the hearts of many.
The edgy female punk/pop singer, OTOH, will be a big hit with the high school goth crowd despite her questionable singing voice and constant fights with her band members, most of whom are more talented than her.
The country music phenom of the year's hit song, "American to the bone" will be a gritty, patriotic anthem of the NASCAR dads in the country, but later albums will reveal that they only bought this one because of the picture of the singer and his supermodel wife on the cover.
See? I've got all my snarky pop culture commentary out of the way for the whole year. Sweet!
Re:So what we have so far? (Score:4, Funny)
How about: Windows Vista Home Automation Edition
It would come with the X-10 controller software and two X10 modules, so you can build "The Home of the Future" in true Microsoft fashion, using 25 year old technology.
Or you could use what I use, and run Heyu [tanj.com] and Bluelava [f9.co.uk] on Apache and Linux (or BSD), I suppose.
Also, NEVER try upgrading your Windows Vista Kiddie Edition with Windows Vista Porn Edition. To say there are conflicts is an understatement.
Re:So what we have so far? (Score:4, Funny)
Also, NEVER try upgrading your Windows Vista Kiddie Edition with Windows Vista Porn Edition. To say there are conflicts is an understatement.
My understanding was that the Vista Porn Edition has as its direct consequence the Vista Kiddie Edition.
Re:No such thing (Score:3, Insightful)
I get to mod you down next thursday again!
Pug
Re:Good informative link (Score:2)
Anywaym, If that winsupersite link is reasonably accurate...jeez. If it wasn't crippleware in terms of # of apps and what not, I think tons of people would be happy with the "start edition".
It seems like most of the further variations aren't really "OS" things, but bundled apps. Actually, more annoyingly, they sneak in one or two things that belong at the OS level (like Wi-Fi config) with a bunch of other app crap.
'the goal of the product edition differentiations in Windows Vista is to prov
Re:Good informative link (Score:5, Funny)
Vista Enterprise: "Optimized for the Enterprise"
So.... is that NCC-1701, NCC-1701A, NCC-1701B, NCC-1701C, NCC-1701D, or NCC-1701E?
Re:Good informative link (Score:2, Funny)
That's just overkill. (Score:3, Funny)
Look, I hate microsoft as much as the next slashdotter, but nobody deserves that. I work in a mixed env, that means at some point I will have to use it. This is just what I don't want. A Data (the Android) version of Clippy? XP is already bloated and nearly useless, can you imagine what Rick Berman will do to it?
I feel a post-work alcohol-induced coma coming on.
Re:Good informative link (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Good informative link + Karma Whore (Score:3, Informative)
Such is the life of a Karma Whore
Re:Good informative link (Score:5, Insightful)
It's strange, they'll ask themselves "Why do I need that?" for an add-on, but will think "What won't I get if I buy the lower level edition?" of the main product.
Microsoft must have a whole team of psychologists out there.
Re:I don't think I'll need to know this informatio (Score:2)
How do you know that you are using the best tool if you do not know a bit about them all.
I we are talking about a tool not a religion. Knowledge is better than blind faith, even when we are talking about religion.
Hmm (Score:5, Funny)
Go on....
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
Re:Hmm (Score:5, Funny)
The guy kept complaining since he visited a certain website a little animated woman was dancing on his task bar and offering him more pictures of her for $30.
I thought about this for a moment and asked...
"For $35 I'll help you remove her but for only $30 you can have more pictures... you're sure you want to go ahead with this?"
Other Versiona (Score:5, Funny)
Then there would be the Microsoft Vista "Infect Me" edition with a special version of Outlook that automatically opens all attachments.
Add to that the "Miriam Abacha" edition which sends all your banking info to Nigeria.
My favorite would be the Vista "Office Gamer" edition which includes 25 variations on Solitaire.
- Greg
Re:Other Versiona (Score:2, Funny)
Aw, c'mon. I know everyone hated Millenium Edition, but that's no reason to perform cruel and unsusual punishment upon it.
Re:Other Versiona (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Other Versiona (Score:5, Funny)
Dude, the "Infect Me" edition comes bundled with all other Vista editions for free!
Re:Other Versiona (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Other Versiona (Score:5, Funny)
But that's just my opinion I could be wrong.
Ain't it funny? (Score:5, Interesting)
But as soon as XP came out they invented a home edition, a professional edition, delayed the server and splitted up again. Why? And now this.
It seems it's really all about the money. Sad, in a way. Since, other than with Unix, the most exploits still work cross Windows platform.
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:2)
No. Win2k was only for business use and was not targeted at the home market. That's what WinME was for. WinXP was MS attempt at building both the Home and Business versions off the same core.
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:2)
Well, unlike the difference between workstation and server versions, there is no technical difference between home and business markets. To split them is artificial and only to confuse/fragment/exploit the market. We'll never know if the strategy is valid, because WinME sucked.
I still run Win2K (whe
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:4, Insightful)
and would that "true merged OS be windows 2000 Professional, Server, Advanced Server, or Datacenter Server?
Re: (Score:2)
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:3, Insightful)
Vista seems to be a somewhat intelligent extension of this, with an ultimate edition (does need to be activated separately) to draw the pirate's interest away from the corporate edition (one OS to rule them all).
On the other hand, I don't know if it will really matter. Either Ultimate will be cracked quickly, or pirates will resign themselves to using t
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Ain't it funny? (Score:4, Informative)
Ahhh.. you have to ask former microsoft employee [joelonsoftware.com] why..
This man needs +5 insightful tattooed on his fore-head.
Simon
More of the Same (Score:5, Insightful)
If Microsoft is doing anything confusing with Vista, they have been doing the same thing with XP and Windows Server for years.
Porn Edition Already Exists (Score:5, Funny)
You'll have a computer loaded with porn (pop-ups) in no time.
Re:Porn Edition Already Exists (Score:2)
Client: Hmmm. I think my nephew was over last weekend and was fussing around on the PC. Yea, that's it.
Of course in that case I never use the possessive term "your porn dialer", its always "the porn dialer" wants to connect to Russia with your credit card information.
Another Edition Request... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Another Edition Request... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Another Edition Request... (Score:2)
What a bad idea (Score:2)
Just imagine how fast that would be hacked. Lots of the most inexpensive version would be sold and a crack would unlock everything (assuming they don't just get a pirated version anyway).
Re:What a bad idea (Score:3, Insightful)
But you're right, that's a crazy idea.
Re:What a bad idea (Score:2)
I do all of my drafting and design work in Paint. I'm not kidding.
Re:What a bad idea (Score:2)
The hackers will always do what they feel like. As long as you make it hard enough for everyone else you've done your job.
XP (Score:5, Insightful)
Why does it matter how many versions there are?
I thought having more choice was good rather than having some sort of be all end all version that takes extra time/space to install for features that most will never use.
Re:XP (Score:2, Insightful)
1.) The name "Wi
Cars (Score:5, Insightful)
"So why is the f-150 bigger than that escort? Aren't they both Fords?"
"Do they all have 4 wheels or more?"
"Whaddya mean I get get it in diesal or Gas or Hybrid"?
Re:Cars (Score:2)
A better thing to compare to cars is the computer hardware (multi HDs, extra RAM, more optical drives, etc)
Or, compare some aspect of the Ford to the choice of OS.
ie:
whadaya mean I could get an xbox, ps2 or gamecube in the back seat? I'm confoosed. What's better?
or
So, I can get a stereo with built-in radio, or get the XM/Sirius option? Or I could get the CD player/cassette combo... or the mp3 playing stereo. What's this about the ogg vorbis
Re:Cars (Score:4, Insightful)
Once again, physical items and data have completely different economics.
Hmm.... (Score:5, Funny)
I'd almost be willing to pay for that.
Multi-toolkit hell (Score:2, Insightful)
Looking at the screenshots for Office 12, perhaps they could make Vista Uniform Edition, where all the programs look the same! :O
Too much to ask? :(
Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:5, Insightful)
What am I not getting here?
* How about Vista Dvorak edition, automatically spouting bullshit every few days?
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:2)
They were planning on it, but decided to release the functionality in the `Robert X. Cringley Plus! Pack for Vista' instead.
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:2, Interesting)
I am glad to notes that most of the comments so far, though, have called Dvorak on his idiocy. Seems not even
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:2)
If it were just three versions ("limited" for bargain PCs, home, and professional) this would be a non-issue. Like it has been in the past.
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:5, Insightful)
One of Linux's biggest barriers to the consumer desktop market, IMO, is its absurd level of fragmentation. There are more than half a dozen "major" distros and an impossibly large number of "minor" distros. How the hell do you just pick one and use it?
Then you've got nutcases like Stallman and his war on semantics and ESR and his general dumbass tendencies weighing down the entire community.
Dvorak tends to be a bit off the wall, but he's right. MS really needs to take a(nother) note from Apple here and realize they only need one flavor of OS. There's nothing wrong with a "server" version, but consumers don't need seven different choices for a standard OS.
There's enough trouble these days with XP Home, XP Pro, XP 64-bit, and XP Media Center. Adding more variants to the mix just sounds like suicide to me.
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:2, Troll)
Windows = Uncle Bob = Press the Any Key
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:5, Insightful)
I have never seen a distribution that restricts you to three simultaneously running applications. Nor a special Linux that only allows two users at a time to connect remotely.
The differences between Linux distributions seem to be about empowering the user; the Windows ones seem to be trying to find a price point.
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:4, Insightful)
These Windows 'distributions' are the same ideology, but just w/ features added or removed, to force users to choose and pay for the features they think are important to them.
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:3, Insightful)
I, for one, don't care how many Linux distributions there are, nor do I care how many versions of Windows there are. Of course, I think the Windows situation is a little harrier, since each has slightly different restrictions and functionality (am
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:4, Insightful)
How many versions of RedHat Linux are available? Counting back to day one, I'm sure we can put together a list of something like 50. But today, there are only 3 versions available for commercial support and use. Workstation, Server and Advanced Server.
How many SuSE editions are available? Same thing.
How many Slackware versions are available? One. Slackware just has its single distro. It updates it every year or so, but its just one distro.
How many Debian Linux distros? Stable, unstable and developement? So like 3. Sure, they're available for every architecture they can support, but there are only 3.
The problem people seem to have with Linux isn't the choice between distros, its understanding that Linux comes from MANY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
Microsoft is one corporation. And in this case they're still behaving like a monopoly.
What people want is for them to fix their bugs, fix their security problems, which are design, not implementation problems. Fix their incompatibility issues with not supporting open document formats by default. Fix their web standards compliance.
They are the largest and most wealthy computer business on the planet but they can't afford to make their web browser compete with Firefox? Mozilla is a non-profit organization.
And then this. They offer what, 3 additional choices from their code base, instead of including all the features they touted 3 years ago and all the requested features EVERYONE has been asking for.
And then appologists like you go off and complain how Linux has millions of distros so we shouldn't pick on Microsoft's behavior.
This has nothing to do with choice, it has to do with technical merit. If they were fixing their broken stuff or offering something of value, such as a gaming edition that costs $50 for people like me who only use their crappy software to play games, then we wouldn't bitch so loudly.
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:4, Insightful)
Another difference is that all distro maintainers try to give you everything they can, while Microsoft tries to restrict you and to make you pay more for different "features" -- that's the main difference and if you don't get it I'm sorry there's no hope for you.
Re:Let's see the spin on this one... (Score:2)
Haha (Score:2)
Has there actually been any confirmation from Microsoft about these various editions of Windows Vista? Whoever made the list seems to be including server versions, and there are several current server versions of Windows not on the list. Also, there is no Tablet or Media Center edition, and last I heard, Microsoft hadn't decided if these should be separate SKUs or rolled into the mainstream versi
Makes sense really... (Score:4, Funny)
Surely people aren't that stupid... (Score:5, Insightful)
I hereby propose some legitimate reasons to bash Microsoft:
1) They refuse to play nice with Open Source developers.
2) They actively seek to destroy any competition, regardless of whether the competition is actually helping the computer community or not.
3) They are promoting legislation that will change patent law from "first to invent" to "first to file."
Those are all (I think) legitimate complaints against Microsoft. Calling Microsoft "nutty" for releasing 7 versions of an OS is rather stupid and petty. I have no doubt that the average person can simply read a chart that has little checks next to "features" and decide which of the 7 they want. This will actually help people, I think, because it will prevent people from getting extraneous software that might increase their risk of attack.
People often complain about Microsoft bundling too many things in their OS and how there's a lack of flexibility, and now they complain because Microsoft is "too" flexible and might "confuse" the poor ignorant user who is incapable of choosing between 7 different forms of Vista.
The Dvorak Troll Edition (Score:4, Funny)
I want the 10% edition (Score:4, Interesting)
In an age of freely available OS, and the threat that Google will pose with their eventual OS, I want the Windows 10% version - which is guaranteed to cost only 10% of the cost of the system hardware (one off fee). You get, and can use, whatever functionality you want.
That would ensure that the Windows tax was affordable, and its simple to implement as well.
Trying too hard to be funny. (Score:4, Insightful)
He was so much more interesting before there was Livejournal.
Ballmer (obligatory chair throwing) (Score:5, Funny)
Ballmer: Anybody but Dvorak. Just tell me it isn't fucking Dvorak who sees through my segmentation strategy.
ZONK: Yes, it's Dvorak. He sees right through it. And he says your Kung Fu is shit.
(chair flies through air) CRASH!
Ballmer: Dvorak is a fucking PUSSY! I will kill Dvorak. I've killed all the other media bitches and will so fucking kill Dvorak!
Bad Joke Warning (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bad Joke Warning (Score:2, Funny)
Just because it is anti-MS.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Windows Vista: Slashdot Edition (Score:5, Funny)
What if it changed versions based on your usage! (Score:3, Funny)
Imagine: You order Vista Premium Home Edition. You're excited to have the newest version so your young high school lad can do essay research, send email, and do homework. However, inexplicably it morphs into Vista Premium Porn Edition within just a few months! Young Timmy is grounded and his Internet cable removed. You know he still needs the computer for typing up Word documents so you leave it on. Only to have it morph again into Vista Premium Gamer Edition!
Windows Vista Forever (Score:2)
Vista Ballmer (Score:2)
Vista Pimp - Looks fabulous, does absolutely nothing but threatens to beat the crap out of you if you don't get off your ass and go make bank.
Vista Trump - Has serious performance problems, files bankruptcy then fires you.
Pricing (Score:5, Interesting)
There will be more than 7. This doesn't factor in the versions tailored to other nations. Microsoft is just working out the details of an effective price discrimination [wikipedia.org] scheme.
Uhh (Score:5, Insightful)
eg... Thats funny, this article wasn't even mildy amusing.
On a side note, Now I have 9 different Windows OS, 10 Office Suites, not to buy.
Many Linux Distros = Good
You miss the point entirely.
Choice is a good thing, unless the choices are Evil, Hobbled Evil, Crippled Evil, Evil for Tykes. Corporate Evil, or Mom & Pop Evil.
Who's planning on migrating to Vista anyway? (Score:5, Interesting)
Fragmenting it doesn't seem like a great strategy.
Re:Who's planning on migrating to Vista anyway? (Score:3, Insightful)
People seem to forget: every new computer will come with Vista. That alone will put it all over the place in a very short time.
Anti-trust (Score:2)
Another idea: MS could be trying to make more money from developer tools. Will the executables for Home Premium run on the "El Cheapo" versions? Keep in mind that all games for the XBox are licensed, and MS gets a cut right off the top.
(I know, there's no mod for -1 Con
I wouldn't mind a gamer edition. (Score:4, Interesting)
Vista versions (Score:2, Funny)
Windows Vista Mental Enhancement Edition (Score:3, Insightful)
God (Score:4, Insightful)
While I am no fan of MS, I get tired of the constant default criticisms aimed at MS everytime they do something.
First, look at how many versions of XP MS was forced to implement.
While MS started off with an ideal Home and Pro versions, then the OEM Media Center and Tablet Edition, they were forced by governments and the European Union to implement a stripped down version (N) version for both Home and Pro, as well as pretty much been forced to implement a stripped down version of XP for developing countries. This means there are 8 versions of XP around.
Mostly this was FORCED on MS by governments and consumer backlash.
So, MS takes the initiative to try and please ALL the special interest groups and take a pre-emptive stike against future government hassles by offering a range of products that MS are ALREADY FORCED to impelement in XP. The difference is the MS is doing this WILLINGLY!
Also, confusing the market? Every try and pick out a Linux distro? 30+ versions, multiple GUI interfaces, which Kernel to run, 2.4 or 2.6 and which subversion is stable or powerful. Countless number of GNU shareware plauging Linux with cryptic names starting with G? If MS is confusing end users, then what hope does Linux ever have of becoming a mainstream OS.
If anyone will shine above all this will be Apple. With there limited choice in hardware and 2 flavours of OSX (Server and Not Server), if anyone is confused by MS and Linux, then they will flock to the Apple platform.
Hey, I think it is dumb that there needs to be 7 versions of an OS, but the EU and consumers pretty much brought this on themselves with all the countless numbers of lawsuits and government pressure. Microsoft is just giving you what you want!
Already done! (Score:3, Interesting)
At Frys, they sell a refrigerator with a computer built in to bring up recipes, check your email, etc. I believe you can also use it to keep track of your groceries. It runs Windows XP.
Pirate Edition (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Dvorak? (Score:2)
--Which came first - Rolling Stone Magazine, The Rolling Stones, or the song "Like a Rolling Stone". No one seems to know.
Re:Dvorak? (Score:2)
Here's some info on the Dvorak keyboard [wikipedia.org] for you.
Re:Dvorak? (Score:5, Informative)
Which came first - Rolling Stone Magazine, The Rolling Stones, or the song "Like a Rolling Stone". No one seems to know.
They were all named after the song "The Rolling Stone Blues" by Muddy Waters. The order was: The Rolling Stones (1962), Like a Rolling Stone (1965) and Rolling Stone magazine (1967). (dates from Wikipedia).
Not the same Dvorak (Score:2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Dvorak [wikipedia.org]
Re:Dvorak? (Score:2)
Well, with Vista Pr0n edition, we'll all find out.
Re:really... (Score:2)
Re:Only 1 edition needed (Score:2)
Re:Vista Dual Boot Edition? (Score:2)
Re:Religious editions. (Score:2)
Christianity is a rather broad umbrella (Score:4, Funny)
Vista Reformed Edition: once saved, always saved.
Vista Millenial Edition: never saves in preperation for the end times.
Vista Catholic Edition: you need to perform your penance before you can save.
Vista Jabez Edition: once you save, you get rich.
Vista Eastern Orthodox Edition: you never know whether you've saved.
Vista Watchtower Edition: you have to save all your neighbors' files before your files are saved.
Re:Blasherings from the no longer relevant... (Score:2)
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