


ATi Radeon X1K Graphics Launched, Benchmarked 199
MojoDog writes "ATi has officially launched
their all new Radeon X1000 family of 3D Graphics cards this morning and
a full showcase with benchmarks of the entire line-up can be found at
HotHardware. What may or may not be surprising to you, is the fact
that the new high-end flagship X1800 is still a 16 pixel pipe GPU but now
running at a blistering 625MHz.
Is it fast enough to catch NVIDIA's 24 pipe GeForce 7800 GTX?"
What really matters (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:What really matters (Score:5, Informative)
In the last release ATI has a graphical installer which sorta worked, but I still had to compile the fglrx modules which would be a pain for a complete noob. It's too bad that the ati control panel is really only useful for configuring dual monitors and confirming that opengl is working. It would have be nice to have the plethora of opengl features the windows control panel has. You still have to edit the xorg.conf for a few things.
Re:What really matters (Score:2)
http://www.hothardware.com.nyud.net:8090/viewarti
Re:What really matters (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What really matters (Score:2)
Well, if it was about gaming only, you might be right, but Linux is most likely a long-term viable WORKSTATION platform. Graphics/CAD/ERP professionals need good stable drivers. ATi would ignore Linux at their peril.
Re:What really matters (Score:3, Informative)
Re:What really matters (Score:2)
Re:What really matters (more than performance) (Score:2)
Re:What really matters (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What really matters (Score:2)
Though I wouldn't buy an ATI card even if they got their drivers on par with their windows Drivers .
They are just not very good at OpenGL are they .
Re:What really matters (Score:2, Troll)
Their Windows drivers suck, too. I can't wait until I my 9800 Pro needs to be replaced so I can get an Nvidia card. ATI wooed me with a great price, and they lost me with lousy drivers. Their Linux drivers are without a doubt horrible.
Re:What really matters (Score:2)
Re:What really matters (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm no 3D API programmer, but my ignorant gut feeling says it's the drivers. I mean, in this perspective OpenGL and D3D are just different ways of telling the hardware to do the same thing, aren't they?
ATI R520: "Hmmm, I'm told to draw this line. OK, here we go... Hey, wait a minute! That was OpenGL who said that, not Direct3D! I'll shuffle this down the SLOW pipeline! Now I wouldn't mind taking five with a cup of coffee and a smoke."
Then again, if it'
Re:What really matters (Score:2)
It wouldn't make sense to deliberately cripple OpenGl support (Conspiracy theory : MS has paid them to do it ) as they would just be making their cards look bad in some benchmarks
D3D and OpenGL in essence do the same thing and can't really be that different
ATI has OpenGL working quite well on Macs
Nvidia has it working on windows
So what exactly are ATI up to , and what are their driver program
Difference Between OpenGL and D3D (Score:3, Informative)
This (Score:2)
Re:This (Score:2)
We rarely use Linux either, for that matter.
Interesting. Pretty much everyone else in the field of 3D scientific visualization is. Whether you use the lower end cards (7800 GTX) or high end (Quadro 4500), they're still used all over the place. I've sometimes seen Windows used for this, but only on the desktop. For large-scale parallel visualization, it's very rare that I see anything but Linux.
Do you mind attaching a name/ID to your post so I can trac
Re:This (Score:2)
Re:This (Score:2)
Ah, I believe I understand you (and the GGP post) now. The distinction is consumer level cards vs. "professional". I'm not sure I see a lot of distinction. I can't speak to the ATI cards, but the differences in a desktop display for the nVidia Quadro vs. their consumer card aren't going to be as large as they used to be. The architecture of the
Re:This (Score:2)
Re:Because good linux drivers are important ... (Score:2)
No, they are important for playing all those new OpenGL 2-powered games on a decent operating system.
doesnt look too hot. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:doesnt look too hot. (Score:1)
Re:doesnt look too hot. (Score:5, Funny)
Just make sure your PC has adequate cooling and is kept away from flammable items!
Re:doesnt look too hot. (Score:3, Informative)
At the lower end though you're right, the 1600 and 1300 models aren't very s
Re:doesnt look too hot. (Score:3, Insightful)
If they h
Re:doesnt look too hot. (Score:2)
As for the price difference, I suspect ATI will milk the fanboi market for a month or two, then rapidly lower the price to compete w/ the 7800s.
I just wouldn't count this as a failed generation. This x1000 series maps fairly well against 6800s and 7800s, whereas the 59xx series came la
Driver Performance??? WHAT??? (Score:2)
Fast enough ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Fast enough ? (Score:2)
Re:Fast enough ? (Score:2)
Contrast this with Nvidia, which has for every chipset announcement & launch I can remember since at least the 6xxx generation, have had working salable hardware the day of the announcement, without availability issues.
Yes, there are only a few fabs, but it still s
X1000?? (Score:5, Interesting)
X1000? I thought the "X" in "X800" was there because those video cards were the generation after "9800" and "9700"... Whats next, OSX11?
Intel, AMD, ATI, nVidia... Mazda... they're all driving me nuts with their product naming schemes, lately...
Re:X1000?? (Score:5, Funny)
I can't wait for some XTRM GRFX CRD.....(suddenly disturbed by the likelyhood of such blasphemy)
Re:X1000?? (Score:1)
That is probably why naming schemes suck, the marketing department has to come up with a name no other company has ever used in order to get it through the legal department.
Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
not true, look at Xbox, what do they call the sequel to make it sound cooler? the Xbox360 like add a skating term best of all they can make the sequel to the 360 the 720 and the sequel to the 720 the 1080 and then the 1440 i
Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
Re:X1000?? (Score:5, Funny)
Geforce
Geforce 2
Geforce 3
Geforce 4Ti
Geforce 5600
OR...
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Vista
I'm simply trying to point out that nothing makes sense in the computer industry anymore... Hell my Dell Dimension 8100 PC is crappier than my Dell Dimension 4600. Explain that to me.
Re:X1000?? (Score:3, Funny)
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Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
You mean like the AMD system too?
-nB
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Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
Actually I think the "X" in "X800" has more to do with it being designed for PCI-X. The same goes for the X300, which AFAIK is a much slower performer than 9800.
Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
Marketing numbering is all over the place, it's hard to make sense of it. If you aren't paying attention you can lose track.
Then there are the comical names, like MSI's naming NEO FSTR. I thought it suggested that it was a "new fister".
Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
Then we hit the X series. Suddenly X800 Pro is the lowest of the high end cards, and there's an X800 XT (or something) which is the higher one. Now we've got XL, GT, GTX, X700s, X300s, and X1n00 somethings.
I want a name that clearly indicates the generation of card (which '9', then 'X' and
Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
The consumer is not supposed to know. You remember the SE editions of 9xxx series, or the nVidia mx cards?
You're supposed to buy them without knowing that they're ridiculously underpowered, contrary to what you'd deduce from the model numbers. Then you'll need to upgrade sooner.
The high-end gamers always know, people like me suffer.
I know, do your research prior to buying
Re:X1000?? (Score:2)
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Re:All in one page without the ads (Score:3, Interesting)
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At Last (Score:5, Funny)
Honestly... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Honestly... (Score:4, Insightful)
What?
Oh, no, I'm not impressed with this card. I'm impressed with the opportunity that ATI will jump totally on this bandwagon, thus reducing dramatically the prices for all their other cards that are from previous generations but offer nearly identical performance.
W00t for the bleeding edge, and the price breaks behind the curve!
Re:Honestly... (Score:2)
if you're buying a 500 dollar card, are you seriously worried about benchmarks that are run without aa+af? this card even does HDR (hi dynamic range) plus AA, something that the gf7800 can't.
this card is way more sophisticated and highly refined that the brute force 7800. the 7800 isn't bad but that this card can do with 16 pipelines what th
Excellent (Score:5, Funny)
No (Score:4, Interesting)
Staying with the Radeon name (Score:1)
Usable links (Score:1, Insightful)
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No AGP versions of the 1800 (Score:1, Informative)
Re:No AGP versions of the 1800 (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:No AGP versions of the 1800 (Score:2)
Just as a side note, before you jump back to Nvidia, there won't be an AGP version of the 7800 series either. (At least one is not planned, some industrious company may build their own using Nvidia's bridge chip, just as some one may do that for ATI, it just won't be anytime soon).
Right now you AGP choices are probably going to end with 6800, or x850 being the fastest. Sorry but us AGP users are pretty much now considered a
Leafblowers (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Leafblowers (Score:2)
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My 2 cents (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:My 2 cents (Score:2)
and by optimized i mean reducing visual quality in the drivers and cutting corners behind the users back.
ati is guilty of it too but not nearly to the same degree that nvidia is.
that's one reason why i will never purchase an nvidia card while ati or another manufacturer still produces cards.
nvidia is well on its way to being another intel or microsoft in regards to ethics. they're getting there but they still have a ways to go.
Other Articles with a bit More Depth (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.techreport.com/ [techreport.com]
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODIy [hardocp.com]
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r520/ [beyond3d.com]
Links to other "Reviews" (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r520/ [beyond3d.com]
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/r520reviewxvx
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/262/ [guru3d.com]
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODIy [hardocp.com]
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3603 [hexus.net]
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Review
http://www.noticias3d.com/articulo.asp?idarticulo
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=172 [pcper.com]
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=407 [tbreak.com]
http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/8864 [techreport.com]
Power requirements: The key (Score:5, Informative)
Most people are worried about price, availability and not what counts with ATI cards nowadays: Power. I bought an X850 AGP and the power requirements are absolutely ridiculous. Surely, my Antec 550w can handle it, but it's completely unnecessary, as shown by nVidia. I don't like the idea of having to put aside an extra $10 a month to power my graphics behemoth, although I do love the performance.
Re:Power requirements: The key (Score:3, Informative)
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/radeon-x1000/ index.x?pg=16 [techreport.com]
(Idle/Load)
7800GT: 112 / 204
X1800XL: 144 / 207
7800G
Re:Power requirements: The key (Score:2)
both require obscenely high amount of power.. on the order of 200 watts at full load.
and the official specs call for a 450 watt power supply on a fully outfitted system (according to ati).
http://www.ati.com/products/RadeonX1800/Products.h tml [ati.com]
if you want less power requirements, get a lesser card... but then you'll be trading performance for power consumption. it's a choice...
Re:Power requirements: The key (Score:2)
even though this generation is a healthy jump in performance, my current card will last me quite a long time (in computer time anyway).
i'll also be holding off from buying the "fall refresh" version r580/g80. when dx10/opengl 2.5/3.0 become available, then i'll probably upgrade.
but that's because i'm a graphics junkie... i still know how to be frugal and get my fix.
SLI Quad Royale (Score:2, Insightful)
==Nuclear Power Now!==
Doesn't currently support 4 GPUs in SLI mode (Score:2)
From the article:
"What is missing, of course, is SLI support. What would NVIDIA lose if it were to agree to Gigabyte's solution and release drivers that support SLI across four GPUs? Well, I guess there is not much to lose by being "first to market" here, especially since only very few people have the tremendous budget needed to go for a super expensive motherboard - we expect a minimum price of $250 - and as many as two dua
The best thing (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The best thing (Score:2)
Re:The best thing (Score:2)
Yea, it's done me right.
I will say Doom3 has noticeable slowdown with more than 2 enemies onscreen, though. The bottleneck has still been my CPU and RAM for every other new game.
When these new cards came out after the 9800 and 5900 series were released (X800, etc.)I was scared I wasted my money looking at the performance improvements.
But, it takes so long for the average PC gamer to upgrade his card, software developers don't completely take advantage of the hardware.
I think people put too much e
Re:The best thing (Score:2)
Re:The best thing (Score:2)
I want a new structure!
Where's the AGP?! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Where's the AGP?! (Score:2)
Re:Where's the AGP?! (Score:2)
Re:Where's the AGP?! (Score:2)
Re:Where's the AGP?! (Score:2)
http://www.laptops4me.com/product_info.php/produc
$61.
Have fun.
Re:Where's the AGP?! (Score:3, Informative)
Who cares? (Score:2, Interesting)
Once you're gaming at 100fps 1600x1200 with all the bells and whistles, why do you need a new card (or pair of cards)?
Is there some game in the pipes that will actually use all the fancy features that these cards have?
More about image quality, than speed (for me) (Score:2)
I am primarily concerned about image quality, which means Anti Aliasing (4x or higher), Anisotropic filtering (x8 or x16) and smoothing on
Need more image quality! MUST HAVE MORE! (Score:2)
Re:Who cares? (Score:2)
Apparently... (Score:2, Redundant)
Paper Launch Part 2 (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=255
Never Again ATI (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Never Again ATI (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't really say it I'll never buy another ATI card since I have never purchased one. I have friends who swear by them, but I've been running NVidia cards for o
Air vs Water (Score:2)
No mention of a fanless version for those of us with water cooling.
Is that too much to ask of card manufacturers?
I broke my last ATI card trying to prize their glued-on fan from the GPU, and don't want to do the same with my next purchase.
They just make up their benchmarks! (Score:2)
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articl
Forget 100 fps, check 2d stuff (Score:2)
That h264 will dominate since both competing blu ray and Hd DVD decided on that format. Add the satellite feeds, digital terrestrial TV too and you will really want something that does most of the work on gpu.
After seeing amazing quality and excellent compression, I am even looking for a ch
You've all got it wrong... (Score:2)
Are we all still ignorant to the "More MHz is better" syndrome? Please don't tell me people are still encumbered by this FUD, *ESPECIALLY* on
Re:What are you up to? (Score:2, Informative)
It happens to logged-in users with low karma too.