Google Patent for User Targeted Search Results 168
lorenbake writes "Scoble is one of many to report that Google has filed a patent for user targeted, or attention targeted, search results which will change the ranking of Google's organic results per each individual user based upon that user's search behavior, location, sites visited, and even 'typing behavior'. How could Google build such user profiles to serve customized organic (non-paid) results to? Tracking via their network of desktop apps, advertising, Gmail, and other network services."
Do No Evil (Score:5, Funny)
~S
Re:Do No Evil (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Do No Evil (Score:2)
Re:Do No Evil (Score:2)
Re:Do No Evil (Score:2)
Temptation risk VERY high (Score:1)
AFAIK, "Do No Evil" is an informal slogan around Google. Google would go a long way to alleviating concern if they added that to their corporate mission statement and bylaws.
The current leadership of Google may be committed to "doing no evil" but leadership changes and leaders can become corrupt [online-literature.com].
Re:Temptation risk VERY high (Score:4, Insightful)
Unfortunately, in the real world, things are not so black and white.
Re:Temptation risk VERY high (Score:3, Informative)
It is a part of the 'owner's manual' included with their SEC filing.
Co-founders release Google 'owner's manual' [com.com]
Perhaps not so much 'buyer beware' as 'buyer be advised'. Investors know up front what the company is about and Google is not obligated to aggressively pursue short term profits by whatever means for its share holders. I
Evil isn't what I'm worried about (Score:2, Insightful)
It's been so long since I've used a rival search eng
Re:Evil isn't what I'm worried about (Score:2)
Re:Evil isn't what I'm worried about (Score:2)
I've heard of Amazon making really stupid pattern matching stuff, like someone buying a 1 book about the Army for some Uncle or co worker and forever having milary type books presented to them.
Some Patterning?
But my guess is there are patterns. If they can detect when your searching for something within a domain expertise versus when you are not, that alone would help.
Meta Patterns!
There is a Meta level to this. They can match your patterns to those of others, as in collaborative filtering. Y
Re:Evil isn't what I'm worried about (Score:2)
On the other hand, if you search for "wine" and have a large history of searching for computer terms but no recipies then it should (if it's a
Google duo splash out for airliner (Score:2)
This is not funny, it's the ugly TRUTH!
This story ---> Google duo splash out for airliner [nzherald.co.nz] reminds me of a story I read in a magazine a couple of years ago. It was an inteview with larry or sergey or maybe both (don't remember now), btw, one of them said that everything is so simple @ google, to the extent that if someday somebody buys a BMW the he/she might lose his/her job! Looks like money has the power to change many things
Re:Do No Evil (Score:2)
Henry Frankenstein: Look! It's moving. It's alive. It's alive... It's alive, it's moving, it's alive, it's alive, it's alive, it's alive, IT'S ALIVE!
Victor Moritz: Henry -- In the name of God!
Henry Frankenstein: Oh, in the name of God! Now I know what it feels like to be God!
Now:
Doctor Waldman: You have created a monster, and it will destroy you!
Grant your trust for the right reasons (Score:5, Informative)
Helped Chinese authorities to censor their subjects' Internet access.
(http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp
Selectively approved and refused ads, based on political content.
(http://www.unknownnews.net/google.html [unknownnews.net])
(http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040830/reilly [thenation.com])
Permanently collected search history for everyone who has ever used their site.
(http://www.google.com/intl/en/privacypolicy.html [google.com]
(http://www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/161500535 [techweb.com])
Permanently collected/indexed the email history and content of all gmail users, for marketing and law-enforcement use.
(http://mail.google.com/mail/help/privacy.html [google.com])
Filed obvious software patents.
(Refer to this slashdot story.)
For me, when people's actions directly contradict their words, I reduce my trust in them accordingly. Google can keep claiming to "do no evil," but the words are becoming more and more empty.
"How is it evil? It could be evil because its very powerful but in the right hands.. it could be good for everyone."
There's a simple way to tell if someone is likely to abuse power. When someone collects power over you, and states that it's for a purpose which doesn't require that power, you are being misled.
Re:Grant your trust for the right reasons (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Grant your trust for the right reasons (Score:2)
Re:Grant your trust for the right reasons (Score:2)
Re:Grant your trust for the right reasons (Score:2)
Big Brother is watching (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Big Brother is watching (Score:1)
Evil, Google. Google, Evil. (Score:4, Funny)
The main reason any big company patents anything is so they can violate the patents of other companies.
"What's that, Microsoft? We're violating your patent #314159265? Well you're violating our patent number #299792458. Lets call it even, shall we?"
MAKE MONEY OFF PATENT VIOLATIONS???!?!!!111 (Score:2)
1. Make patent "Violation of other patents."
2. Bribe patent office to be accepted.
3. Google/Microsoft/etc/etc violates a patent.
4. Sue them.
5. ???
6. PROFIT!
Some offtopic notes (Score:2)
Help me Slashdot!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Solidarity is for Squids (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Help me Slashdot!!! (Score:1, Informative)
Well no actually, but it's close. You get 'Goole' plus i, v and d left over.
Goole [google.com] is a whole different kettle of fish...
Re:Help me Slashdot!!! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Help me Slashdot!!! (Score:2, Informative)
The Google Future (Score:1)
geez (Score:1, Funny)
Filing a patent is EVIL (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Filing a patent is EVIL (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Filing a patent is EVIL (Score:1)
Re:Filing a patent is EVIL (Score:2)
Wow, this logic has more holes than a pound of swiss cheese, where to begin...
First, you've somehow tricked yourself into believing we're in a two-party (two-evil?) system, M$ v. Google, not true. We have choices way beyond evil and lesser evil. I would rather no patent at all that was so vague or relating to a business practice/computer code at all, but I'll get to that in a sec. If someone must hold the patent, why couldn't we hope for someone in the open source community to grab it where it won't be s
Re:Filing a patent is EVIL (Score:1, Insightful)
Spent some time reading Mao's Little Red Book? What is the deal with this asinine belief that corporations, capitalism and money are somehow inherently "evil"? The threat here is personal privacy NOT a company trying to make money. Most companies are actually VERY GOOD for the average man and make our lives better. Keep the concern focused on privacy rather than jumping to socialism.
Re:Filing a patent is EVIL (Score:3, Informative)
Queue someone claiming that it's a defensive patent, and Google is just using the system to defend themselves. Of course that sort of claim is pure nonsense.
Anyways, it's hardly new - Google has been using the patent system since they first hit the scene with PageRank [uspto.gov].
Re:Filing a patent is EVIL (Score:2)
Since filing a patent is evil
You are mistaken. Filing a patent is defensive. The five categories of behavior are:Moral code of patents (Score:3, Insightful)
Lobbying for software patents: Bad.
Applying for software patents: Sometimes necessary today, but shouldn't be.
Bragging about granted software patents: Impresses stock market, pisses me off.
Using patents offensively: Bad.
Using patents only defensively [redhat.com]: Ok.
We'll see what Google does...
Just my 2 cents... (Score:5, Insightful)
I just want to say that I hove no problem with targeted advertising at all. If there is a way that does not impose on my personal freedoms to selectiviely show me things that I might be interested in purchasing it is not only ok but much preffered to the massive spamvertisement campaigns that go on now.
Re:Just my 2 cents... (Score:4, Insightful)
That having been said, it is the database about me which is a bit creepy. But, as huge databases about me already exist I can't complain too much. I've always said that if we had perfect transparency, everyone's "freakish oddities" would seem normal.
Targetted results (Score:2)
Now my brain may be fuzzy, but I believe that various searches would tailor items for the area... try [google.ca] it [google.com.au].
You'll notice that the advertising banners are different. For me it came up with a banner for woolworth's. Throw a little more info in there and perhaps in the future it would be grabbing stores based on proximity, such as displaying city local res
All I want.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:All I want.. (Score:2)
Don't sign up for a google account, or simply do not sign in.
Re:All I want.. (Score:2)
And that one is at least optional so far.
Re:All I want.. (Score:2)
Disposable personalities (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Disposable personalities (Score:2)
This is awesome! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This is awesome! (Score:2)
Those guys at $oogle are making Microsoft look like amateurs when it comes to world domination!
I prefer Goog£e to $oogle.
$oogle sounds like Soogle.
All the world's information (Score:5, Insightful)
Fine by me (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Fine by me (Score:1)
That, and throwaway user accounts, is what I have used mailinator [mailinator.com] for.
disclosure: I have no affiliation whatsoever with mailinator.
Re:Fine by me (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Fine by me (Score:2)
Cradle-to-Grave Ad Tracking (Score:5, Interesting)
Relevant results (Score:2)
By other uses for tracking, there are plenty. I was on vacation in Seattle recently and searching up various locations and/or sites. Quite often I would get mixed results from similarly named items
Welcome to the future (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Welcome to the future (Score:1)
Personally, I think the that Google's doing this is not an inherently bad thing, afterall if not them, it would have been Yahoo! or Microsoft.
Re:Welcome to the future (Score:2, Insightful)
Until your mother tries to use your PC to search for quilts and is bombarded with ads for TEENAGE!!!LESBI
ANS!!!UPSKIRT!!!BEWBZ!!!!RIMJOB!!!TWINKS!!!!
You will never be able to use your PC when you have company. Your Ads don't lie.
Are patnets evil? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Are patnets evil? (Score:2)
Re:Are patnets evil? (Score:2)
However, if you wish, you can still search on e.g. Yahoo! or other services.
They're even catching up with Google's.
It's not like Google will be out there to get you, but I do believe their users should be aware they're using the data they collect about you.
On the other hand, who knows how many search engines hasn't...
Re:Are patnets evil? (Score:3, Insightful)
And using this against them in the event of such an arms race would be abuse of the patents, and therefore evil.
Unless you are taking about a "defensive" patent, a patent to prevent somebody else from patenting something. But that's just lunacy, since you would already then have prior art.
And anyway, places like Amazon already do personalized results base
Re:Are patnets evil? (Score:2)
I think this is the point of "defensive patents". (Of course, I am not in charge of Google's patent policies, so I wouldn't know for sure.)
Re:Are patnets evil? (Score:1)
Re:Are patnets evil? (Score:2, Insightful)
Hopefully those with controlling interest currently will maintain it for a long time. Because when the good king dies, the heirs are typically less good. When the good king happens to be that rare creature the good vampire, and the heirs are all typical, blood thirsty vampires, then the chance of going evil is even greater. In the case of Google it's increasingly looking as though eventually the blood thirsty vampires will have vast qu
It's already being done (Score:5, Informative)
Re:It's already being done (Score:1)
Filing patents to prevent patent misuse (Score:3, Insightful)
For example, if you sign up for a personalized google page, they'll start tracking your searchs, and they will even let you go back and look at the searches that you made weeks ago.
I personally like this kind of stuff. It's useful to me if I forgot to bookmark a site that I liked, I can go back through my search history and find the site again.
Re:Filing patents to prevent patent misuse (Score:1)
What were you expecting? (Score:3, Informative)
TANSTAAFL.
Re:What were you expecting? (Score:3, Insightful)
Subject (Score:1)
Get ready to watch ... (Score:5, Funny)
I can see it now, future headline:
Google CEO Revealed as Beelzebub Prince of Darkness, Mountain View New 7th Circle of Hell
Slashdot comments:
"Well, you know, Satan *is* very misunderstood"
"Gmail still rocks! I don't care if the Google minions sacrifice a kitten every time I check my mail, as long as I have my 100 TB of storage! Whoohoo!"
"I just sold my eternal soul for more relevant search results - but hey, I got a great price on this DVD player! Thanks Asmodeus!"
"My monitor smokes a bit when I do searches now, but hey - I can find out what all my friends have been *really* thinking about me! Hey, this new GoogleBrainCrawler kicks butt! Go Google! But
"Yahoo! made a deal with the ancient Nordic Gods but they're just playing catch up at this point"
"Jeez guys, if it was Microsoft making a deal with Belial then we'd be all over it but just because it's Google, you're all
Re:Get ready to watch ... (Score:2)
Re:Get ready to watch ... (Score:1, Insightful)
When it comes to personal information, I think people shouldn't trust any company...
Even if they are a sexy do-no-evil, do-no-wrong ex-startup bent on world domination for your own good.
you are what you buy (Score:3, Funny)
Okay, here's a tinfoil-wrapped theory for your light enjoyment:
Psychologists have long claimed that advertising affects our psyches (e.g., cartoon shows' cereal and toy ads, the NFL's beer ads...). Google proposes to detect those changes in our psyches, and presumably to reinforce them. This could amount to a self-fulfilling and dangerous feedback-loop... resulting in mental image-burn, if not outright transformation. Before the body-snatching takes hold, I'm writing my congressperson...
it's all good (Score:5, Insightful)
Privacy isn't such an issue on this considering Google already has this information on a per user level - this probably doesn't raise any additional privacy concerns.
Re:it's all good (Score:2, Interesting)
OK... exactly how does one reconcile... (Score:1)
-k
They probably have to do this (Score:5, Insightful)
However, if Google starts using this patent to thwart their competition then they'll be making a mockery of their own do-no-evil slogan.
They don't have to do this (Score:2)
Reasons you might patent:
Weaving A Story (Score:3, Funny)
Defensive Maneuver? (Score:2)
Bloody 'ell! (Score:2, Informative)
If you don't want to support the 767-buying [independent.co.uk], patent-filing search engine [google.com], you could switch to ...
... the search engine [yahoo.com] that snitches on dissidents [iht.com] to the secret police of totalitarian China!
... the search engine run by a bullying monopoly that has run afoul [cfo.com] of anti-trust laws.
... the search engine [a9.com] of another company looking to exploit the patent system.
Suddenly I'm wishing at least one university had held on to its sea
Sweet Revenge (Score:3, Funny)
Wow, cool (Score:1)
Google and Privacy (Score:5, Insightful)
In a couple of years, we will probably be discussing Google and privacy concerns just like we discuss Microsoft and security concerns now.
"No, really, they have to do this" (Score:1)
My slashdot policy book must be out of date. Didn't we all agree software patents were evil?
amazon doing that ? (Score:3, Insightful)
e.g.
My visitor is looking at portable mp3 audio players for the last 5 visits, you want to display an ipod commercial instead of a hairdryer.
When that user searches for "moby audio tracks" you will present results ranked higher for places that sell mp3 other than LPs.
Respect to google, but I think it is also a common knowledge patent. I mean what I mentioned is an afternoon of SQL query tuning that I do not want to compare to millions of results organized by google, but at the end that patent seems to cover a bunch of similar practices that fall under the
"search result ordering based on user behaviour"
the typing issue is a good idea though
I guess it also includes typo watch, misspell watch and similar
now google will start displaying ads about "quit drinking" or "hangover pills" when compared to my normal daily typing I start typing terribly on a late Saturday night ? ARE YOU DRUNK ?
now google just needs to start putting a HAL-like glowing red eye and microphones into our rooms, an anal implant and urine and stool analyzer to provide perfect results
off topic:
I mentioned it already , but interestingly the more and more google refines it's algo, the more and more I find myself using other search engines, as some of the things I am searching for provide less and less usable information for me...
for tech stuff google is unbeatable, however shopping/comparing and travel, I turn to yahoo more and more nowadays.....
So that's why... (Score:5, Interesting)
Often, when trying to find some information at work, I'll try a Google search, and
make a note of the search terms in order to continue working at home. Then when I go
home and type in the same set of keywords, I'll get a completely different set of
search results, with the articles I was reading now missing.
a-ok (Score:2, Interesting)
I don't see this as an invasion of privacy. I see it as a business filling the need of a customer, one who wants to find the exact information they're looking for, and instantly.
Teaching someone to search? (Score:3, Interesting)
As a simplified example, consider how the agriculture professor and a freshman student may end up with wildly divergent search results for "Onion"...
Patents always Evil? (Score:2, Interesting)
Ever heard of blocking cookies? (Score:2)
To thwart world domination, use your browser to block everything except session cookies from Google. This will allow you to keep using Gmail and your Gmail Notifier Firefox extension, etc. while keeping Google from tracking you across the Internet./p.
Cool! (Score:3, Funny)
Blogedy, blog, blog (Score:3, Interesting)
It would be helpful if submitters included such links directly rather than sending all the interested
Analogy (Score:2)
You walk into a library in Mountain View, CA and talk to a librarian. You ask her to help you find some stuff about rosa parks [google.com]. And PS, this librarian is hot, you talk to her all day every day. She recognizes you and gets to know you as time goes on. And you sometimes give her mail to send, which she
Re:Apt quotefest... (Score:2)