Yahoo Launches Dashboard 320
An anonymous reader writes "Engadget has a 'live' post from a Yahoo press conference this morning showing something called Yahoo Dashboard. It looks awwwfully familiar. They brought out Ellen DeGeneres to demo it, and Tom Cruise to show an MI: 3 trailer for some reason." From the article: "I would like to announce right now what we call Yahoo Go. If you have some of the same problems dealing with things as Ellen .... Yahoo Go ... is a revolutionary way to connect users to Web services they already use. We're installing new applications right on devices (pix of laptop, TV, phone)." Dashboard is the relaunch of Konfabulator. We reported on Yahoo!'s purchase of Konfabulator last year.
Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:5, Informative)
And Konfabulator [wikipedia.org], by Arlo Rose (of Kaleidoscope [kaleidoscope.net] fame) and Perry Clarke, was around on the Mac OS X platform first, until a Windows version was also released with the help of Ed Voas before Yahoo!'s purchase [wikipedia.org]. In fact, if it weren't for the Windows version, Yahoo! may never have come knocking.
And it's easy to say that Apple ripped off Konfabulator to make Dashboard, but if we go back a step further...say, a couple of decades, we find that the idea of Konfabulator - little modeless applets that do useful things, like an address book or a notepad or a calculator or a little game - actually hearkens back to Apple's original idea [daringfireball.net] of Desk Accessories [wikipedia.org].
It all comes full circle!
No, wait. That's not full circle. It all leads back to Apple.
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:2)
I'm not sure what the difference is meant to be between, say, a calculator Widget and a calculator application - I assume Widgets are easier to develop?
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:2)
Bizarrely, they are actually two different things (unlike the Dictionary widget, which merely calls the Dictionary.app). This can be shown by typing in a simple sum to Calculator.app and the calculator widget:
2+4*6
In the widget, it is evaluated left to right (giving 36 as the answer), whereas in the
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:2)
The truth is, until historians can look back on it, it'll be hard to see. There's still too much FUD being flung in all directions to know for sure which chicken originally laid the egg.
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:4, Interesting)
YES! I have always thought that active desktop was a great idea with a horrible implementation, and when people showed me Konfabulator, it seemed to me to be a better implementation, but still not good enough.
The idea of having desk accessories, small, one-purpose quick apps handy, is just sooo obvious, you can't give credit to anyone for that. The idea of embedding them in an out-of-the-way-yet-easily-accessible layer of the OS is also really obvious. So Konfabulator can't take credit for much, and neither should Apple, and accusations of copy-cat in either direction are totally ill-founded.
That leaves the only aspect to this whole deal that can be remotely considered 'innovative:' using an html layer in the OS that the user can configure and control to create such apps of any flavor. And as much as I love Apple, credit for that has to go to MS, who unfortunately sought to make the entire OS revolve around some bastardized browser concept, instead of just this one special layer.
What Apple can take credit for is simply for taking the initiative of making this available as part of the OS and supporting it. If you ask me, though, the implementation is still not ideal. I'd still like to access widgets that are embedded in my actual desktop in addition to in the "modal-ish" Dashboard layer, as well as being able to hide widgets behind hotspots around my monitor (like flip the mouse to a corner to bring up the calculator, flip it back to that corner to hide it again).
Finally, Yahoo's decision to name their product Dashboard is really sad. Apple named theirs dashboard because they had no better name handy, and that was the easiest way to effectively communicate what the product is. The people who came up with the name Konfabulator really hit on a gold nugget from a sheer marketing perspective. Who doesn't want to own a 'Konfabulator?' Yahoo should have kept that name and leveraged it. It's akin to Apple buying the iPod from another company and then renaming it to 'MP3 Player.'
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:5, Funny)
I think you meant to say that it all goes in one infinite loop.
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:2)
man, you are cheap (Score:2)
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:2)
Re:Imitation is the sincerest form... (Score:3, Informative)
Unfortunately it's not available yet, but I'm sure commenters can assure me that MythTV and FrontRow are superior t
xmediacentre cloners!!! (Score:2)
at a friends home. They get one, they love it, and see, WOW this is cool.
Lets copy it and make millions.
Ellan cannot dress - LesoFasion? (Score:2)
There are other lesbians who can dress sexy/nice or even stylishly, no need to look like a 12yo.
Widgets = desk accessories (Score:2)
Widgets are basically desk accessories written in JavaScript instead of Pascal, with your UI laid out web style rather than using ResEdit. In some ways, they're a step backwards, at least until Apple provides a graphical tool for creating them.
Re:Widgets = desk accessories (Score:2)
- The DA plane wasn't translucent, because 1 bit displays on the Mac at the time didn't support translucency.
- DAs didn't all close and open as one; they closed and opened individually.
The main innovation that made widgets useful to me (and many other people) was making them all appear and disappear at once, when you hit a key. And Konfabulator didn't do that--th
Can't they stick with a name? (Score:3, Interesting)
Apple? (Score:2)
Apple Dashboard (Score:2)
Isn't it Widgets? (Score:3, Funny)
Apple legal (Score:2)
konfabulator pissed me off (Score:2)
I tried it and had a gripe, so I stopped using it. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I tried it and had a gripe, so I stopped using (Score:3, Informative)
That's got the lesbian and gay community covered.. (Score:5, Funny)
Well, that covers the lesbian and gay community. No representation for us straight folks?
Re:That's got the lesbian and gay community covere (Score:2)
Everyone Copying Everyone (Score:3, Funny)
Everyone Copying Everyone (Score:2, Funny)
rename? (Score:2)
Next week on Slashdot (Score:2)
Well, it wasn't Justin Timberlake... (Score:5, Interesting)
Tom Cruise On The Ellen Show (Score:2)
Cruise> Ellen, Ellen, I've never agreed with Yahoo, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with Yahoo. And when i started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in Yahoo.
Ellen> But Tom..
Cruise> Ellen, Ellen. As far as the Dashboard thing is, look. You gotta understand, I really care about the Dashboard. I-- I think here's a-- a-- a wonderful and talented piece of software. And-- I wanna see it do well.
Just what I need! (Score:2)
Idea is useful for some things (Score:3, Interesting)
Otherwise I haven't been able to find another good application - that fits my needs - that I'm willing to give up RAM to.
All of these dashboard ideas seem like a solution looking for a good idea - and from personal experience and talking to friends that idea hasn't really been found just yet.
Apple legal (Score:2)
However, after perusing Apple's list of trademarks [apple.com], I don't see Dashboard. Maybe Apple legal slipped up and forgot to register this one. Still, I
Ellen DeGeneres? (Score:2, Funny)
Its not called Yahoo Dashboard... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Its not called Yahoo Dashboard... (Score:2)
Best quote from TFA (Score:5, Funny)
I love this business!
Funniest part of TFA (Score:2)
rename? (Score:2)
Yawn.... (Score:2)
The only thing revolutionary about it is from the spin the PR people wrote.
familiar? (Score:2)
to what? i couldn't figure it out.
Perfectly cromulent (Score:2)
Ripping Off Apple Ripping Off Konfabulator (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Ripping Off Apple Ripping Off Konfabulator (Score:2)
Re:Ripping Off Apple Ripping Off Konfabulator (Score:2)
If you are wondering why the Konspose feature appeared in Konfabulator before Tiger was released to developers, you have to look at the fact that Arlo Rose used to work at Apple in the Mac OS division. It was around the time they were working on Opendoc and Copeland. He worked on the Appearances/Themes feature which never made it into OS 9. Konfabulator is also
Re:Ripping Off Apple Ripping Off Konfabulator (Score:3, Informative)
Well, it wasn't Justin Timberlake... (Score:2)
Re-Launch? (Score:2)
Funny, I thought Yahoo Widgets 3.0 was the relaunch of Konfabulator?
Memory Usage (Score:2)
Has it gotten any better than back in the day? When I tried it out each module used up way too much memory.
Mission impossible (Score:2)
http://news.com.com/Yahoos+CES+demo+Mission+impos
Steve Jobs (Score:2, Funny)
cheap yucks (Score:2)
it's Car 2.0! not only does it drive places like it always did, but we wacked on an Ambient Climate User Interface, and a Personal Music Delivery Interface!
am just being dense, or does web 2.0 mean *anything* to non-marketing people?
Not Dashboard (Score:3, Informative)
Greatly Exaggerated Merit? (Score:2, Interesting)
Available to 3rd party Devs? (Score:2)
I know I liked when google added widgets.
OT: Why does it seem that Ellen Degeneres is advertising many things nowadays? (Eg: West Wing, AMEX, Yahoo)
Apple TM? (Score:2)
-whistle- Here Apple Legal! Here, boy! (Score:2)
Apple Lawyers seeking blood in 3
Yeah well, just wait until Monday... (Score:2)
Yahoo Dashboard? (Score:2)
Just one part of the package... (Score:2, Informative)
Dashboards on Windows (Score:2)
fp.
Isn't that a slap in Apple's face? (Score:2)
Too much memory (Score:2)
Oh the Irony! (Score:2)
Apple copies it, calling it "Dashboard". Konfabulator is pissed.
Konfabulator is purchased by Yahoo, who rename it "Dashboard".
Stop the world, I wanna get off.
They also screwed the demo royally (Score:2)
""And we know whose software this runs on," is one notable quote from the executives on stage.
Well if it's such a crappy OS, why don't you make your spiffy product available to people who choose not to use it?
"If Apple stole from Konf then Yahoo! can, too!" (Score:2)
Apparently (Score:2)
Blows me away (Score:2)
That's kinda harsh (Score:2)
I don't have one problem at all with dealing with Ellen
Oh, THAT's original. (Score:2)
At least when Microsoft steals an idea from Apple [apple.com], they have the decency to change the name.
Sheesh.
bad comment to make during demo glitch (Score:3, Funny)
um
Dashboard eh? (Score:2)
Yahoo Dashboard? (Score:2)
Downloadable CES 2006 Podcast Video (Score:2)
Nevermind. Don't bother! (Score:2)
Isn't that a slap in Apple's face? (Score:2)
Yahoo Go (Score:2)
And if the story submitter had typed "http://go.yahoo.com" into their address bar, they would have known this, too.
Meanwhile, if I were smarter... (Score:2)
Yahoo v. Google (Score:2)
Nice name ;-) (Score:2)
Worst Article Ever (Score:2)
On the plus side, I did learn Tom Cruise separated six of his ribs while filming his latest explosion/car chase movie, and that there was a porn convention nextdoor to the place they were having the Dashboard presentation.
You've got to be kidding (Score:2)
They're calling it 'Dashboard'? (Score:3, Funny)
I've tried it. It sucks (Score:2)
Wow. (Score:2)
Ooooh ...... (Score:2)
Oh wait, no I can. None of the words Yahoo, DeGeneres, or Cruise make me interested in anything being said.
*sigh* Maybe I'm just old and crotchety, but a (to me) irrelevant
Does anybody really care about this? (Score:5, Interesting)
Mod this down as a troll, but I just can't care about Yahoo's version of Apple's version of Konfabulator. Big waste of resources.
Forget Dashboard... (Score:2)
Of course, it's familiar. (Score:2)
That "dashboard" comment came from the Engadget blogger hastily trying to describe Yahoo Widgets. Read the comments and the editor's note, and you'll see that it's good old Konfabulator, now with 45% more Corporate Branding.
Nothing to see here. Please move along.
yep. just head here... (Score:5, Informative)
how ironic (Score:2)
Yahoo! Go link (Score:2)
Most of it is "coming soon", but there's a signup to be notified when it is available. And of course the Konfabulator (sorry, Yahoo! Widgets) stuff is available right now.
Sniff sniff (Score:2)
Countdown to lawsuit from Apple: (Score:2)
Widget make me fidget, get it? Gotta rant, Bridgit (Score:2)
Weather? I'm inside! I'll check the weather when I leave. Stock reports? I'm not a day trader. The bubble burst. Remember? CPU, memory usage? Ok, I'm a geek, but not that much of a geek.
Wh
Trailer of MI3? (Score:2)
Sounds Like "Celebrity Jeopardy" (Score:2)
He wrote "Yahoo Go". "Yahoo Go". And his bid?
"For It." "Yahoo Go For It." Wonderful.
Tom Cruise: Ha ha! Help me help you, Alex. Help me help you.
Dashboard trademark (Score:2)
I'm not too familiar with Apple, so I don't know if they made anything similar to this prior to HP, but I
Problems? (Score:2)
Yeah
Konfabulator is not based on Desk Accesories (Score:2)
The idea that the creators of Konfabulator were thinking of Desk Accessories is extremly far fetched. Desk accessories was a bundle of mini desktop apps that were not network enabled. I guess any application than bundled 2 or more apps is a derivative of Desk Accessories?
If anything, I would think that Pointcast and RSS would be the inspiration for Ko