Windows Vista - Still Fresh After 19 Months? 334
MyStuff writes "ZDNet blog Hardware 2.0 looks at the effect of having used Windows Vista for over 18 months. It Windows Vista the indispensable upgrade that Microsoft wants you to think it is? Writer Kingsley-Hughes says 'Having been using Vista for over 18 months I believe that it's a huge improvement over XP and even though I still use XP I find that I miss many of the features that Vista offers.' Just the same, he goes on, 'I wouldn't call any of the changes earth-shattering. When I'm using XP systems I miss some of the features but not so much that they push me to upgrade any faster.' He then goes on to give a feature-by-feature breakdown of all of the improvements Vista has over XP, and what long-term use of these features can net." A possibly useful guide for gamers or administrators thinking about upgrading sometime soon.
19 Months? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:19 Months? (Score:5, Insightful)
It isn't uncommon to have someone gain familiarity with something, and then when switching feel a loss for some things or feel that the old way was better. Humans shun change.
I am entitled to 10 licenses of XP Pro, 10 XP Pro 64 bit and 10 Vista Business and I use Ubuntu on my main box with XP Pro on all the others. This isn't because of not wanting to change, it's because Vista sucks that bad. He doesn't even honestly talk about the draconian nightmarish DRM infections in Vista. No way am I going to relinquish my computer rights to Microsoft and the pathetic content providers. I want less of Microsoft entwined in my system; not more.
BTW, FYI, the WGA Notification program (remake, take-two) has been released and you all should be careful about going to Microsoft's site and accidentally installing it. It does prompt you to install, but it still is malware in the keenest form. The installer uses very deceptive and manipulative language by offering enhanced security when WGA Notification has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with security of any kind.
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Psst. You don't have to. The "DRM" in Vista is hardly more than what's in XP or OSX; it's just that the on-disk versions of MS-apps support it, rather than the on-update versions for XP.
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maybe he doesn't talk about it because he can't hear you over the music or the movie he's playing.
maybe he doesn't talk about it because to him a computer as a source of popular entertainment is nothing more than a household appliance. like a console video game. t
Re:19 Months? (Score:5, Interesting)
He doesn't even honestly talk about the draconian nightmarish DRM infections in Vista.
Probably because, like 99% of people, he'll never, ever have to worry about them.
No way am I going to relinquish my computer rights to Microsoft and the pathetic content providers.
Then don't use DRM encumbered media. Whether or not you are using Vista is irrelevant.
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If it was because vista sucked, you'd be using XP instead. It's really because you're a linux advocate. Which is cool, I know kids today like to use linux on the desktop, but please be honest.
You've got to be kidding me... (Score:5, Funny)
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True. When my WinXP laptop stops being able to use software, the only upgrade I'll be doing is finally switching to either Linux, BSD, or a Mac at that point.
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I just hope that Apple doesn't go the way of Microsoft and implement DRM in their OS. Rumors lately seem to point to Apple wanting to that, despite Steve Jobs saying he's against DRM.
Change. (Score:3, Insightful)
The MacOS X types will be lined up around the block and across the street to buy Leopard
The Linux people will install their version of Umbu... um
Unfortunately, the Microsoft people have learned from bitter experience that a Microsoft upgrade means misery. And most Microsoft people are pragmatic; they use it for their job, and know upgrades will interfere with things while they get up
When was Vista launched? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I would also agree with the article. I miss some of the features in Vista when I'm in XP, but I also miss some of the XP features when I'm in Vista. The software was -kinda- (not exactly) like upgrading from Windows 98SE to Windows 2000. An improvement, but not all that visible until everyone else had upgraded and software was written to take advantage of all t
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Quality questions (Score:3, Funny)
This from a professional reviewer after 19 months on the job:
"Is Vista more stable that XP? Hard to tell as I don't have a lot of problems with XP but I do feel that Vista is on the whole more robust."
On the whole, ZDNET adheres presents a robust standard of informative journalism. But there are exceptions.
Re:Quality questions (Score:5, Insightful)
Every point made is vague and subjective, and completely meaningless. If Kingsley-Hughes thinks that the 'Start Menu' is an indicator of performance, I have to wonder if he even knows what an operating system is.
Windows Vista: It's still not a Mac.
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Yep, I being to understand now why people no longer bother to RTFA so often on Slashdot. I thought this was the best line:
Speaking as someone who writes computational geometry software for a living, I'm pretty sure that statement is just a load of words strung together to sound cool, while having absolutely no real meaning whatsoever.
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What Aero does is for the first time give you a truly 2.5D desktop in Windows.
Speaking as someone who writes computational geometry software for a living, I'm pretty sure that statement is just a load of words strung together to sound cool, while having absolutely no real meaning whatsoever.
What it means is that all the windows as still 2d, but when you press alt-tab, you get rotated 3d windows passing by instead of inferior icons.
I mean, I know Bethesda Softworks and Valve and people have been making advanced 3d engines for a while now, but Microsoft managed to rotate windows in Vista. I don't know about you but I think that's pretty damn amazing.
Is that the best he can come up with? (Score:5, Interesting)
From the article:
Maybe it's just me, but I hardly use the Start Menu. I assign keyboard shortcuts to all my commonly used applications. I might go digging around in the Start Menu a couple times a week, but's hardly a reason to change operating systems.
Is that really a huge efficiency boost? I use Windows Search even less than I use the Start Menu. It's very rare that I don't know where to find something on my own machine. Does anyone else use the Search function that often? For what are you typically searching?
Yikes! Large icons are the first thing I usually turn off. What a waste of screen space. Once again, is this really a huge efficiency boost?
So in conclusion, "beats XP hands down" translates to two features I'd never use, and larger icons that I'll want to turn off. Think I'll wait a bit...
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Re:Is that the best he can come up with? (Score:5, Insightful)
This was almost exactly my attitude when I started using Mac OS X 10.4. Spotlight indexed searching, well okay, but I don't really do that. I now use spotlight every day for both finding some document and quickly starting applications. In less than a second, using only the keyboard, I can do a search for some string and open that PDF file I was reading about the MPLS adoption in Europe. I don't need to know if it was in my e-mail attachment inbox, saved to the desktop, or if I was a good boy and actually filed it with my research materials. In less time than that I can search for and open some program I rarely use but recall the name of. Imagine if your search was globally accessible from the keyboard and faster than going to the start menu and selecting something for items you haven't made shortcuts for. For those items you did make shortcuts for, there is no need. Photoshop is "cmd-space+p+h+enter" and it is open.
Now my experiences with Vista RC1 were somewhat less encouraging, but I'd have a hard time giving up my indexed search at this point and I imagine in a year or two when MS has ironed most of the bugs out, you may find yourself feeling the same way. I would seriously try using these features for a while and see what your opinion is then, rather than pre-judging them.
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Luckily, I don't use the programs menu that much. Most of my programs are accessed through the top-level start menu shortcuts.
I will add that I disagree with the article that Vista
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And I agree that saying that I didn't like the new programs menu because I don't know how to use a mousewheel is pretty idiotic.
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Try this: Press [Windows Key] -> (Start Menu Opens) -> Type first few characters of program/document, hit [Enter] to open. By default, at least, this is even faster and easier than Spotlight/Quicksilver's two-key invocation. Worst-case scenario, you have to scroll down a couple of lines (with arrow keys or *shudder* mousewheel) to select between multiple hits (just like Spotlight/Quicksilver).
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Actually I find the icons are making vista harder to use. If you look at the control panel in "classic mode", it looks like a jumbled together collage of shiny garbage. Many of the system program icons should utilize either extremely simple repres
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I always used Winkey-R and typed in the location of my program, damned fast and really simple, although regular users wouldn't do that. Now i hit winkey, type in the program name (firefox) and up comes a search list, at the top Firefox is there, below it will be any files with the word firefox in the name from my profile and then the file-text search.
I agree the actual menu sucks compared to the old one in many ways, but i've al
Worst. Upgrade. Ever. (Score:5, Insightful)
But almost everything he said could have as easily been done in XP- better fonts, faster startup, improved search... all this could have just as easily been in SP2, or at least SP3, if MS hadn't been expending all that money and energy on Vista.
Here's my favorite quote: ``Some programs still have problems with Vista but the blame for this really falls on the vendor and not Microsoft.''
I wonder how he arrives at that? If the program already existed, and Vista didn't, and MS wrote Vista with backward compatibility in mind (did they?) it's hardly the app vendor's fault. But even if MS didn't care about backward compatibility, that's not the app vendor's fault. They can't write programs to an OS that hasn't been written! So this was just a goofy statement.
On the flip side, an employee here just bought a laptop with Vista on it. Another admin has spent at least a day working on the stupid thing over the past week or so, just trying to get it to work properly on a network that has been supporting several versions of Windows as well as OSX, Linux and Solaris for years. Granted, he hasn't used Vista before, but he knows Microsoft OSes prior to Vista just fine. (One of the things that pisses me off about MS is that with every release you have to learn where things are all over again.)
And there is NO excuse for scrolling something like a start menu using standard sized fonts. None. Ever. Morons.
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Not Windows, but rather OS X... I use the search a lot. Mostly because it also searches my email and contents of documents (quickly)). I probably wouldn't use it much if it only searched file names.
-matthew
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Re:Desktoplinux.com thinks Mepis is better than bo (Score:2)
That was sarcasm by the way. Don't you think theres a problem citing a Linux site as fact when it concerns a Microsoft OS?
I never really ran into DRM problems. But then again, I don't buy or play DRM media.
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Windows search just didn't give me what I wanted and to make matters worse it didn't even try to search the files I wanted it to search. I knew totally that specific files contained exact string matches (it was vb code) but yet the search didn't touch them.
I initially started by finding out how and why and what to do with it, in the end I created a scanner which assigned each unknown file extension currently located on my system the default text scanning clsid), and still run
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[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.ext\PersistentHandler]
@="{5e941d80-bf96-11cd-b579-08002b30bfeb}"
Microsoft released a patch sometime before SP1 which applies these settings to a bunch of common file extensions but even this missed the ones specific to my system.
I don't know about you guys? (Score:3, Insightful)
So what was MS working on all those years?
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maybe those aren't better to you, but to him they are. better is completely subjective and will mean different things to different people. he outright said he missed certain features of vista when he went back to XP. that alone says that something is right.
Re:I don't know about you guys? (Score:4, Insightful)
What DRM? (Score:2)
None of that will affect my un-encumbered media files, right?
Seems to me the Vista DRM "support", is only for files that, um, use DRM.
Am I missing something?
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Most of the stuff MS worked on for the last 10 years didn't make it into the final release. They spent the better part of the decade hyping the innovation that'd be coming anyday and then realised all the innovative stuff wouldn't work, so they took all that out and spent the last two years making UAC dialog boxes.
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Dead ends and evasion of blind corners.
They took out everything that was going to be revolutionary (or at least interesting) about Longhorn and were afraid to try anything new for fear it would push back the already embarrassing release date or further alienating developers.
Re:I don't know about you guys? (Score:4, Funny)
DRM, and a new EULA.
The Bizaaro World (Score:4, Interesting)
I find this comment quite bizaare. After using Vista for nearly 2 months, my experience is exactly the opposite. I find Vista frustrating because many features from XP have been removed or changed in ways that make them less useful. There are no major problems with Vista, but dozens of minor annoyances. Each one by itself is no big deal, but together they add up to a major step backward.
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I haven't upgraded everything to XP yet (Score:5, Interesting)
Between work and home I have two Win2000 boxes and two XP boxes (and a Redhat as well). I remember still running NT when XP was introduced.
Unless you have an application that can't be run on an older system, and by then you usually need a newer computer anyway, is upgrading really worth the hassle? A workstation for me becomes like an old pet. You're used to it. You know how what its quirks are.
Personally, I've never felt a compelling reason to upgrade. I like shiny toys as well as the next person, but I have never upgraded a Windows OS in my life.
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Between work and home I have two Win2000 boxes and two XP boxes (and a Redhat as well). I remember still running NT when XP was introduced.
You know the silly feature in WinXP that made me want to upgrade my Win2000 box and some Win98 boxes to it? The built-in MS Picture and Fax viewer. Oh, sure I could download and install free ware image apps, and of course I have photoshop for evey image editing crap. But for those times just sitting down at some one else's PC and needing a builtin app. It
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That Microsoft released a Mac OS X client for Remote Desktop is just frosting on the cake.
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Just tell it to only accept connections from the local machine. That's all you have to do on server machine. usually from a GUI even.
On the non-server machine, it's a bit more complicated, involving ssh tunneling.. which is still fairly easy to do if you happen to have a command line handy. Some of the VNC viewers will even do it automatically for you.
In fact, that's the whole beauty of the "Unix way" you've got a small program like ssh that you can use to secure all kind
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2) In fact, that's the whole beauty of the "Unix way" you've got a small program like ssh that you can use to secure all kinds of less-secure remote processes, rather than having all the various programs reinvent the wheel every time.
If you have enough free time to learn how. I looked up instructions for how to do this on Ubuntu, it was complete gibberi
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1) It doesn't run on my Windows box. DUUUHHH!! I remote control the PC from the Mac, not the other way around. Apple's Remote Desktop does the exact opposite of what I need.
2) It's expensive. Remote Desktop is free.
Am I missing something? (Score:5, Interesting)
Reboots: I reboot my 2k media PC once a month maybe
GUI: I still can't find a person that can point out why XP was so much better than 2000. If you can convince me, please do. There just aren't any productivity advances that I can see. The article author pointed out the vast productivity benefits from the start menu, but honestly, if you're spending more than 1% of your time in the start menu you're not being productive period.
I think everyone who upgrades and claims it substantially better are under self-hypnosis. The 'beautiful graphics' are deluding you into believing the OS is so much better. If Microsoft had updated their driver compatibility layer like they did in XP, I don't think there'd be a single justification to ever buy XP. But like I said, I dare the community to say differently. Give me a reason to enter graphics country!
Price: How much for media center edition? Ouch.
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Price: How much for media center edition? Ouch.
$119 [amazon.com]. Hardly "ouch".
The article author pointed out the vast productivity benefits from the start menu, but honestly, if you're spending more than 1% of your time in the start menu you're not being productive period.
I think the thing with Vista's start menu is that it has accessed to the full indexed search of your system, and so acts kindof like Spotlight on a Mac -- i.e. you can get to any application, control panel applet, email, document, file, folder, IE favourite/history, etc. by pressing the windows key and typing a few letters from it. I can see how that could be a productivity boost.
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umm no (Score:2)
Not if you do what smart people do.... (Score:2)
Who the fuck re-installs everything just to replace a HD anymore?
Film at 11 (Score:2)
ReadyBoost (Score:2)
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It sounds like this 'feature' just moves the page file to a flash device. Am I missing something?
Yes. Moving the page file to a flash drive would be a really bad idea; for two reasons. One, a flash drive has pretty rubbish sustained read speads, because it's limited by the speed of the USB connection. A well performing swap file needs to have good sustained read speeds; that's something hard drives aren't bad for. Two, flash drives have a limited lifespan; lots of writes (which you would have with a page file), would wear it out pretty quickly. That's also something hard drives are pretty good at
I've been working at Vista for 12 months... (Score:2)
... Oh, you mean Windows Vista, not Vista [vista.com]?
That must be why I was so confused about this new GUI stuff - our backend GUI hasn't changed in 4 years!
This jives with my own experience (Score:5, Interesting)
Complaints:
For some reason they fucked up the defragmenter and now it's just a big "defrag my hard drive now!" button with no progress indicator or something to show how fragmented your disk is (this *really* pisses me off). Startup/shutdown time is better, but hibernate/sleep is a problem - when I come out of them it doesn't remember I have a second monitor, and I have to reboot to get it back. Thus, they're mostly pointless.
Surprisingly it runs a little faster on my notebook than XP did, I assume because of the caching (2GB RAM) and Aero offloading stuff to the GPU.
All in all, I wouldn't want to go back, but I don't know it's worth the hassle of upgrading for everyone. Especially since not all software works quite right yet. YMMV.
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Funny (Score:3)
Vista's Hidden Charms (Score:5, Funny)
One often over looked "benefit" of Vista is that it's Control Panel is completely redesigned and made much more confusing. So confusing in fact that my mother (after having upgraded and I don't know why) is unable to break her PC anymore by messing with the Control Panel. Under XP she knew where things were and would adjust them. Now she can't find anything, so I get fewer calls.
On the flip side of the coin, the poor guys in my IT department are also lost as to where the hell the controls they need have gone in the new Control Panel.
For better information (Score:2)
Not very enlightening. (Score:2)
everyone with hands (Score:2)
This has to be one of the worst reviews I've ever seen. Can anyone enlighten me to this guy's credentials and why he's an authority on the subject? This sentence I loved: "What I can say quite honestly is that there seem to be far fewer bugs in Vista then there were in XP when it was released". This is not a review, this is a poorly worded opinion. No facts, no bug reports, not even specific personal experiences, just like
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It adds Windows Key + Tab 3d window switching. Let me tell you why this is horrible compared to OS X's expose or Linux' similar features
Maybe, but at least it means that the core functionality (i.e. the new Desktop Window Manager) is there for anyone to build on. For instance, if you prefer expose, someone's already made an expose clone [labo-dotnet.com] for Vista's DWM, and in the next few months I imagine we'll be seeing a lot more.
Security. Every time you want to do something that takes administrative access Vista throws two popup boxes in your face. [...] Disable the popups and you lose the whole "security"
You can customize how Vista handles this. Instructions (nicked off lockergnome):
Type gpedit.msc and click OK. Browse to Computer Configuration | Windows Settings | Security Settings | Local Policies | Security Options. Cu
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"can't say that makes much difference to me; I'm admin of my own computer"
Being an admin of the computer and bein
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"can't say that makes much difference to me; I'm admin of my own computer" Being an admin of the computer and being logged in is considered bad by any security specialist. That's the whole reason you get popups in vista, so that you're not always an admin, that's the whole point of the "security".
I actually meant it in the more literal way -- i.e. that it's my personal computer, so I am my own 'sysadmin' whatever kind of account I happen to be logged in as, and whatever OS I happen to be using. As you say, in Vista even an 'admin' account only has standard user priveleges except when elevated (if UAC is turned on), and in Ubuntu there isn't even a root account set up be default, so I'm not sure which OS you're accusing me of being logged in as root on...
The expose clone is pretty cool, does it run fast?
No idea, never used it. The comments sugge
Approval versus authentication dialogs (Score:2)
That's an authentication dialog. It's making sure you're you and not someone who has walked up to your keyboard while you're getting a cup of coffee.
It's the approval dialogs in Windows that are insane.
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That's an authentication dialog. It's making sure you're you and not someone who has walked up to your keyboard while you're getting a cup of coffee.
It's the approval dialogs in Windows that are insane.
WTF are you on about?
Ubuntu authentication prompt when running as a standard user [wordpress.com]
Vista authentication prompt when running as a standard user [flickr.com]
The only difference between them is that Vista tells you which program it is that wants privelage elevation. In all other respects, they're functionally identical. Hell, they even both darken your screen in the same way!
And no, permissions were not invented purely as a method to, err, protect against "someone who has walked up to your keyboard while you'
In other words... (Score:2)
I have an MSDN Universal account and have had access to Vista for a long time. It has been a beast. I need to run VS 2003 and VS 2005, both suck on Vista. I need to run a local copy of SQL Server 2000, it sucks on Vista. I need to run a local copy of MySQL, it sucks on Vista. etc. There is a lot to not like about "Vista". MS shills don't need to reply.
Um...what? (Score:2)
If this person can't even keep his sentence context straight, why the hell would I take anything he has to say about high technology seriously?
Just installed it this afternoon (Score:2)
This has to have been the easiest MS install, even with all the "Are you sure" and "Are you really, really sure" boxes (they vanished with a few checkboxes) I've ever had to deal with. It installed the OS, connected itself to the LAN and internet, and managed to install or go o
It's all about the search baby (Score:2)
While I still use Google Desktop Search on occasion because it is faster, it is no match for the full OS integration of the Vista search. Also it allows full boolean expressions making queries like "(Profit OR Overlord) OR (soviet AND russia) AND NOT Beowulf" possible. You navigate the file s
Vista-Transformation-Pack, make XP look like vista (Score:2)
Vista Transformation Pack will give to your Windows XP system the new and cool look of Microsoft's future operating system: Windows Vista. The pack changes most of the system icons, skins and toolbars and also adds new enhancements to your desktop such as a dock bar or a different system tray clock
If you just like the look, then get this... it has some vista features too.
Two good things in Vista (Score:3, Insightful)
New TCP/IP stack that won't overrun or lock up for interminable periods anymore.
Vista/Computer/Properties/Advanced/Performance (Score:3, Interesting)
If you Pull up the Start Menu, All Programs, right click on Computer, Select Properties, Then Advanced Features, then Performance, Selecting Optimize for Best Performance, and Hit Apply:
All the 'Vista' stuff gets turned off,
You get normal square windows aka - Windows 3.1 type windows.
All Vista & Windows XP eye candy is turned off.
So, You too, in order to get maximum performance,
can buy a new Windows Vista computer,
and optimize it for a personal Windows 3.1 experience!
This Baffles Retail Store PC people,
they think you reinstalled a different Windows.
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That's true. MacOS has a fame of being a great system for home. And current advertising is only enforcing that feeling. But Linux on other side emerged from servers - that's what lots of great unwashed think. And they fear it because it's hard and complicated. But at the same time there's a lot of people who are curious. And hearing of governments switching to it makes the feeling even stronge
Actually the ads only hurt Mac OSX (Score:5, Insightful)
You can lie your ass off to a consumer but the minute they realize what you said isn't the whole truth you're screwed. What Mac has said in their last round of commercials has hurt it because people started smelling the BS, and because people looked into it and see the problems.
Hell their switch ads tried to bandwagon people on with famous faces. However looking back at them I can tell you. I only knew one or two of them. Bandwagoning commercials slowly faded away in the 90s. There's a reason for that, it stopped working so well... except in politics of course, when you're forced to choose if you're going to vote.
As for Linux the steady trickle I've seen going to Linux won't matter, it's still too small, and I still see people returning to windows, most people will continue to use XP. I'm all for using Linux as a back bone to coporate systems, but it's still not good enough to be a platform for business/work, nor one for productivity. People still don't want to do everything by hand, they want the comfort of Windows, and XP has given them a perfect surrounding. The minute you can't run program X from linux, it fails in people's minds. You can start by saying "well you can just run it under
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That's exactly why your final points about Linux are great. I t
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"Windosu Ecksupee-san desu!"
Ow. Truth. It hurts.
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If you just want raw benchmark figures, Tomshardware has hundreds, go nuts. But I don't know of any benchmark that can objectively measure ease of use.
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http://www.transgaming.com/ [transgaming.com]
It's only $15 to try it out for 3 months... if you are really interested in doing WoW in Linux I highly recommend it!
Friedmud
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And if I get the chance I'll metamod whoever modded that as troll as "unfair".
Parent post was: Either you drink the kool-aid or die of dehydration.
That's exactly the dilemma most people/companies with a Microsoft dependency find themselves in. Try buying a new (non-Mac) PC without Vista on it, for example.
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After that we have the option of buying Blank boxes.
No one needs vista for any reason what so ever. The fact that is is a new OS is a reason NOT to change. Going to in immature OS is bound to cause problems no matter who makes the OS, amd it is irresponsible to do so.
Vista has no value add. If Game companies didn't write games for it, it would go away.
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