Wind, Solar & Biofuels to Power Remote Cell Towers 119
tcd004 writes "How do you set up a cell network when there's no power grid? Namibia, India and Nigeria are building towers using localized power sources to provide critical cell phone access to the most remote parts of their countries. Wind/solar hybrids, and biofuel power plants will power the radio towers, peripheral communications, and even the protective fencing around the installations."
developing nations?! (Score:3, Interesting)
I-17 has horrible cell coverage in places, and could really use something better. The only cell phones that even work at the Grand Canyon are Verizon phones (although perhaps Verizon likes it that way).
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That's funny, when I went to the Grand Canyon my sister's verizon cell phone didn't work while my Sprint phone did. You're right though, reception is spotty on the 17. I drove cross country and the 17 was the only place I ever lost reception.
The thing I still can fathom is why AZ doesn't use more solar power than it does with more 300 days of sun a year this is one of the best places on earth to try it out for real.
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I was fortunate as I came from the northern route on the 40. No issues there except for damned toll roads in NY. How I hate toll roads. The majority of the trip was fun except for Oklahoma where there was a toll every 5 feet and NY where we had to pay once.
I've often considered getting a satphone, the service is cheap its just the phones are expensive.
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Huh?
If I can cut expenses (overhead) from my costs of operation, I could easily charge the same amount and make more profit. At least it's that way in the U.S.
Maybe the part that I'm missing from your counterintuitive argument is that the amount CellTelco would be allowed to charge if it were regulated by that government, presuming they were subsidized/under contract by the government to setup service. If that is what you meant, then I see your point. Example being: If my company's network costs $1
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Out in the sticks, a cell site is a small cabin with a diesel genny and a lattice mast. Often several competing companies are co-sited on the same mast with gear in the same cabin. Once a week a guy with a Landrover tows a fuel bowser up a
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No, here in the US, people simply demand more higher-end services for poor people living in mud huts.
Most people in the US will complain when their sound quality just drops, or when their internet access slows down... To the poor, a poor signal is perfectly acceptable. And a lot of hassle, like attaching a 10' antenna wire to your cell phone is something they wouldn't think twice about. No such luck here.
If peop
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Must be verizon... (Score:2)
It would be cool if all services just used all the same towers, then it wouldn't matter which provider you have.
Green Time (Score:1)
Considering that electricity transmission losses.. (Score:2, Insightful)
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Long ago one of my power generation professors gave a lecture about a solar powered communications tower he set up, in Nevada I think it was. He said the one thing they did not account for and which made the project unprofitable was crazy hicks with rifles shooting the solar panels for sport, from the next mountain over. Don't forget to include a robot sentry with a sniper rifle in the implementation.
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On the other hand, if a company builds a road into my favorite spot and puts up an ugly cell tower, they can expect a few holes in it. But I don't consider that crazy.
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More likely city folk who think of guns as fun instead of being a tool.
How many "city folk" do you suppose are armed on mountains so remote you need a helicopter to bring in construction materials?
Real hicks can find plenty of target practice shooting varmints and such.
I've lived in a number of places that could easily be considered hicksville. I used to carry a pistol on my belt to get from the place I was staying to the nearest road because of all the bears. There are plenty of "hicks" who just like shooting things. I knew some guys when I was a kid who used to go shoot out the tires of logging trucks, not because they disliked logging, but
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You don't consider it crazy when you shoot somebody's property just because it's in your favourite spot? That kind of justifies the previous nations killing you for being in their favourite spot. Do you limit it to roads and towers only? What about roads and houses? What about just roads? Does the spot have to be a favourite spot of somebody, or can we just shoot?
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Indeed. I've often wondered how many resources are used just to push usable energy around, and if there is in fact a benefit to having massively distributed power generation rather than massive power plants.
Sure, this would have to be a different paradigm then shipping fuels to a single location, but you'd think that everyone could have a solar array and windmill on their property - except for goofy things like zoning and 'beautification' rules :(
Heck, using that method you don't even lose all the power i
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usually that is a more "gentle" term for cowflops or other dung.
think about it... a power plant in the corner of everyone's back yard that takes what goes down your toilet : )
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A pity you didn't just Look it up [wikipedia.org]. Then you'd have known it was around 7% in the US and UK. Which yes, is fucking huge. In 2003 the total consumption of electricity in the US was 3,656 billion kilowatt-hours [cslforum.org]. you do the math...
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Good luck getting better than 93% efficiency with inverters and (cheap) batteries... or any other storage and conversion methods for that matter.
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Destress the grid: http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2007/01/slashdot-users -selling-solar.html [blogspot.com]
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I think I prefer the term Ambient Energy (Score:3, Funny)
powered fencing? (Score:1)
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Thievery and yes, probably because of elephants (think scratching posts).
With the amount of metal that would be in these things and considering the poverty of the countries mentioned, you can be absolutely sure that if the fencing was not electrified, the equipment would be stolen the same night it was installed and sold for scrap metal.
Let's put it this way, even in the stable country of Iraq, entire towers which hold up electrical wires are toppled and sold for scrap. Think what would happen to this equipment if it were placed next to a roadway in one of the three countries and didn't have any form of protection.
India, Iraq, Britain... (Score:2)
Or maybe that's just the latest British Rail v3.0 excuse for having a Third World railway.
Stealing copper... (Score:2)
In Soviet Britain, coppers nick YOU!
There. That's better.
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Stable? Doesn't look so stable from where I'm watching...
(Hint: I'm on planet earth.)
Seriously though, without protection/law even the towers here in the US would vanish into thin air.
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(Hint: I'm on planet earth.)
Hint: turn on your sarcasm/snarky meter.
I was referring to the comments that we are repeatedly told from the White House and Faux News that things are going swimmingly in Iraq. That the good news isn't being reported because the liberal media doesn't want it to get out.
After all, reporting on things such as electrical towers being taken down to be sold for scrap and the fact that most residents of Baghdad o
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a. Iraq is stable??
b. This happens in the US. About 15 years ago (I can't find anything on the web about it) some people who started taking supports off a huge tower holding up power lines supplying an iron ore mine in Hibbing, MN. The plan was to sell them for scrap, but the tower fell down and they were killed.
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If they were close enough to get to the thives in time, they wouldn't need the damn fence.
The really need a way to prevent them from being valuable.
Mayby coat the metal in something that would take time and heat to remove?
Or stamp them all over the place, and close any scrap place that has them on their premises.
I suppose you could flood the market with aluminum removing any local value they have as scrap.
Re:powered fencing? why bother? (Score:1)
Not only that, they probably just ripped the wall off of a nearby shed (wood) and laid it across the wired fence, which shorted out the system when they ran across it. After cutting the metal bars for the fence at the base with a hacksaw.
Hacksaw - $5
Crowbar to remove fence - $10
Looting the station - Priceless!
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I came to US from the country with brutal Stalinist past, where people were sentenced to five years in prison for stealing 5 stems of wheat from the "collective" farm field and there was almost no organi
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Namibia used to deploy anti-personnel land-mines around high tension power pylons. I don't know whether they still need to do that, but I won't be surprised if the cell base stations also have those, in addition to the electrified fences
Protective Fencing? (Score:4, Insightful)
So they're installing electric fences around these sites to prevent theft and looting of equipment/metals? Cute.
Now all someone has to do to compromise that is to booger up the solar panel (Water balloon slingshot with mudpies), or throw a rope into the windmill (or drop it in with a kite) and wait several days.
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But an electric fence for a horse/cow is a whole different animal (pardon the pun). Basically, you charge up a coil, much like a coil on the ignition system in a car and pulse it into the fence wire at roughly 1 second intervals. The "off" time allows the fencer to last that long on a battery, and the interval is usually sufficient to get the offending animal to stop leaning on the fence. It keeps animals in, but doesn't really offer any security, nor will it melt away someone's attempt to ground fault/s
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Maybe they could just build moats around the cell sites and put dragons inside!
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I imagine the cell company will configure them to monitor for low batteries and go check them out when they're not working properly.
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Related Links (Score:2)
CELL!!! (Score:2)
Just in time! (Score:4, Funny)
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Talk about no bars in no places!
They have enough sunlight out there in the deserts it should be relatively easy to implement a solar-only with generator-backup power system to keep the sites up, then use microwave point-to-point links between sites and dual uplinks on either side of the network for redundancy in the event sites in the middle fail.
Providers won't bother doing that though, they have no population out there to cover, and why would they care about public safety? They're too busy wasting resources deploying mobile TV and camera phones and video phones and all their other useless nonsense.
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People have been driving long distances for 80 years now, and have a glorious tradition of cell-phone free long-distance travel going back to when we were monkeys.
It's not like you *have* to drive through the middle of nowhere. There are tons of cities to live in. If you want to live way out in the country, you're already assuming all sorts of problems. (no police response, ever, no emergency
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We once all ran off localized power sources (Score:1)
I see the same sort of thing springing up in Nigeria. I'm just pointing out that this is about setting up an infrastructure, and it's doubtful there's anything "green" about it.
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1) Who says there's a wire connecting the cell tower to the network? It could be a satellite link, it could be a microwave link to the ground. But I only glanced over TFA.
2) A non-POTS communication line isn't good to anyone, except for perhaps monetary value. Electricity, however, is always useful. They wouldn't want people stealing their power. It's also quite expensive to string all that heavy cable up so that you can transmit the power without exceptional losses.
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The tower interconnects are likely to be microwave relay-based. Not only would it be less expensive, but you wouldn't have all that copper wire vulnerable for someone to come along and steal.
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What if there isn't - not everyone lives in a city.
Australia has a lot of solar powered repeaters for various bits of comminications gear - often on mountain tops kilometres away from a powerline.
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Interesting (Score:4, Insightful)
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Think of the turn of the century gasification plants that were in every city, before natural gas and electricity. They were an abomination.
No, this isn't "green energy", it's "whatever gets the job done".
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The main reason is the rapid increase in uptake of cell phones in developing regions. The cellular providers are ripping off the people in these countries simply because they can. And the people are so hooked on cell phones that they fall for the trap. It's like the new in thing. You'd be surprised.
I'm from South Africa and one of our lecturers who researches HCI went to Zambia for two months to study the use of cell phones. He said you'd be amazed at where you'd find cell towers - in the middle of the mi
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Other than the lack of number portability, I am not tied to any provider (All the private players have support for number portability, the ogvernment owned one is not willing to budge yet). I can buy a 25 USD phone today without any contracts or obligations.
Cellphones are far cheaper than landlines (and available).
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What that must cost to install and run at each tower is quite surprising to me.
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That's the exact reason they're too expensive: We have an existing delivery system in place that they can't afford to build. I think the concept of massively overhauling our existing large systems is going to massively drain what resources we already have.
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For example, the biggest problem with wind and solar is that they are unreliable. Supply and demand for electricity have to match instanteously, which can be sort of hard to do if a large portion of your power supply has random output depending upon weather.
In general, initial capital costs tend to be steep enough to discourage or even prevent entry into the power market. A lot of older, less efficient
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More important than it sounds... (Score:2)
I think I see a flaw (Score:2, Insightful)
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Car batteries delivered to your door! (Score:2)
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Stupid question (Score:1, Redundant)
Solar Cell Phone Charger (Score:2)
Yes, they make them:
Here's an example [windupradio.com]Re: (Score:1)
http://gallery.hd.org/_cat/doHTMLSearch.jsp?q=mic
Rgds
Damon
PS. Also good for welding, cooling beer, and hair tongs...
ANYWHERE by Nigeria... (Score:2)
PLEASE NO MORE CONNECTIVITY FOR NIGERIA... PLEASE!!!!
I would use RTG, what you scared of 238pu???? (Score:2)
It takes the heat produced from the natural decay of a radioactive material and converts it into electricity. For about ever 500 watts of wasted heat you get 100 watts of electricity.
1 kg of 238pu (plutonium 238) would produce 100 watts of power for nearly a century. How much electricity do they need?
The reason I would choose 238pu is because it is pretty safe. If some how there was an accident, which would mean at least
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I imagine that, in Africa, such a thing couldn't be deployed due to (rational or irrational; doesn't matter which) fears of terrorists collecting the plutonium and using it in a bomb.
Terrorists collecting the plutonium? R U Serious? (Score:2)
The bomb that could be produced from a 238pu material would be the most simplest least dangerous type of radioactive bomb known to exist. Not I
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First of all, it's sense, not "since."
Second, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. My point was that putting plutonium on a cellphone tower
Protective fencing... (Score:2)
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I've heard cheap nuclear is just around the corner, wake me up when somebody actually invests enough to build a prototype of such a thing. Until then we have to use something else - and solar is real and cheap in small remote installations where you don't want the hassle of shipping in fuel. Plus most of the energy consuption is going to be in daylight in this situation.
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