Researchers Chill Mirror to Near Absolute Zero 202
An anonymous reader writes "Physicists have managed to cool a dime-sized mirror to within one degree of absolute zero. This is the lowest laser-induced freeze yet achieved with a visible object. Laser cooling involves firing pulses of light at a specific frequency that exactly matches an atom's motions."
See, kids? (Score:3, Funny)
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Mirror (Score:5, Interesting)
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Wow.
And they are hoping to reflect photons (which are light) not electrons.
I think you need to go retake some science classes. Seriously.
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Wow.'
Yes. Everything absorbs light but your typical glass mirror absorbs quite a bit more than say mylar.
'And they are hoping to reflect photons (which are light) not electrons.'
Yup, I thought one word and my fingers typed another. It happens to me quite a bit, especially at 4am.
'I think you need to go retake some science classes. Seriously.'
I would always love to take more science classes. That doesn't change the fact that there are much more reflective surfaces than mirrors. Drywall
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I didn't know this but it would certainly explain this puzzle. Thanks for the information.
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No idea, but the significance of chilling WITH a dime is that I'm high as hell on some stinky, stinky weed.
JK, Mom.
Bad luck (Score:2)
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So n * 0 = 1?
Just kidding, playing on the fact that 0! = 1.
I thought this was a breakthrough (Score:5, Informative)
1. Others have gotten much, much closer to 0 K using atoms and laser cooling.
2. Others have gotten much, much closer to 0 K using solid objects and different cooling methods.
3. Their method has the potential of getting closer to 0 K.
So, even if it is not a breakthrough it is still impressive.
Re:I thought this was a breakthrough (Score:4, Informative)
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That's nothing (Score:5, Funny)
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The Fonze could do this every time he combed his hair.
I said before and I'll say again... (Score:3, Funny)
Beer Cooler (Score:2)
A functional laser operated beer cooler... now that would be a patent i wouldn't complain about.
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although the "serve at room temperature" thing is a bit of a myth for Irish/British beers, the best temp for pouring a Guinness [beertravelers.com] is around 7-8 degrees. Sounds like I'm nit-picking, but there is a difference for us piss-heads^H^H^H connoisseurs.
Website on laser cooling and trapping (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/bec/lascool1
CU not UC (Score:2)
Conservation of Energy... (Score:2, Interesting)
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It can almost be simplified to classical collision physics. The photon hits the atom and bounces off, slowing down the atom and in turn, the photon "speeds up" (gets red shifted).
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Freeze-Ray!?! (Score:2, Funny)
Ah, a balmy 0.8K (Score:2)
Can I overclock with this technique? (Score:3, Funny)
What quantum effects expected (Score:2)
Oblig. (Score:3, Funny)
cooling 1g under 1K trivial. TFA has typos/errors? (Score:3, Interesting)
TFA says that the purpose of cooling was to "...cancel the natural forces entirely, so quantum forces apply exclusively."
That is of course incorrect. Quantum mechanics *are* the natural forces(,excluding gravity?), and cooling is often used to bring matter to the ground state or similar, so quantum effects take on macroscopic and often more observable (and intriguing) properties.
If there is a real breakthrough here, does anyone have the original scientific reference?
Laser Cooling (Score:3, Informative)
I may be wrong on this, as I'm just an undergrad physics major, but in my experience laser cooling involves detuning a laser slightly below some atomic transition frequency, and counterpropagating the same beam back. What happens is as a laser moves quickly in the direction of the beam, it observes the laser's frequency to be higher due to the Doppler shift, and suddenly this laser that was not resonating with the atoms comes into resonance, and the atom starts absorbing photons, which have momentum. This knocks the atom back such that it can't move quickly in the direction of the laser. Often this is done with six beams along three orthogonal axes so that you cool the atoms in all directions.
If ... (Score:2, Interesting)
should have used spinal tap's laser (Score:2)
One step closer to the chill pill! (Score:2)
Moving heat vs. creating cold. (Score:2)
If a laser can counter the speed of atoms, thus creating an object at near absolute zero, couldn't this create a cold environment without creating equal heat outside the environment? Am I misunderstanding the experiment or are they creating cold without removing heat?
The applications of this
HMM, would it be possible (Score:2)
Seems limited to things that are made up primarily of the same types of atoms?
I wonder if you could do this with sound waves, (or with this tech) kind of like how noise cancelling tech works, but tuned to the water in food/drink, if you specifically shot the slight or sound waves at the frequency of water (OR H or O atoms instead) molecules to steady them it would theo
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Re:Thought of that once.... (Score:5, Funny)
Nothing came up on Snopes.com, so it must be true...
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Re:This is cool stuff and all... (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps we could reflect on it.
Re:This is cool stuff and all... (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps we could reflect on it.
Absolutely... to a degree.
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Perhaps we could reflect on it.
Absolutely... to a degree.
Reflection to that degree requires an unclouded mind, so chill.
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Re:This is cool stuff and all... (Score:4, Informative)
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If you want to really see quantum mechanics in action, you've got to turn the temperature down so low that even atoms stop moving.
Hmm... Nope. No explanation as to why they're using a dime sized mirror at all. You could just as easily* chill a cube of carbon, the plastic plug from the end of a ball point pen, or a leftover piece of cheese from last night's pizza. Perhaps the scientists had an old dental mirror lying around. Who knows? Whatever the reason, it certainly isn't explained in the first sentence.
* I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to chill these it
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is the question about why it's a dime sized mirror?
"Seeing quantum mechanics in action" seems a reasonable answer to "does this tell us anything interesting about the universe?".
I'm terribly sorry I didn't ask your co
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In the word "this". Since the original post was a direct child of the story "Researchers Chill Mirror to Near Absolute Zero" (which later describes the mirror as dime sized), I assumed that the "this" in the question "could someone explain what the significance of this is" referred to chilling a mirror. Or to put it another way, I took the first question of the post to mean "could someone explain what the significance of chilling a
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The answer to your question is in the fourth last sentence of the article, far to far down for slashdot.
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Confirms quantum theory (Score:5, Informative)
It confirms our understanding of light and matter and how they interact. You would think that shining light (energy) on something would warm it up. If it cools it down, something strange is going on.
In a broader sense, it means that we can manipulate matter and energy in ways nobody imagined 100 years ago (well, except for Einstein).
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In my opinion, scientists may be able to approach absolute zero but they will never effectively reach it. They may hit a point at which it can be proclaimed as "good enough", but since the entire system must contain no energy and energy will always leak into the system from the universe, absolute zero will not be reached in actuality.
The benefits of moving closer to absolute zero are that we can better understand exactly what atoms do when macro-forces are canceled out and only micro-forces apply, how the building blocks relate to each other in an energy-less environment, and if any other "laws" apply to our universe that we just weren't able to witness otherwise.
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IANAP, but doesn't it immediately follow from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle that absolute zero is not reachable, as well?
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It's also one of the ideas of "quantum" physics. You either have a quantum of energy or you don't, so you can't say there's an "inbetween" for zero and the first level of excitation.
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As you say, though, whichever analogy you use, it's not possible to remove all the energy in the system due to Heisenbergs Uncertainty princip
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The thing about wave interactions is that neither wave is altered by the interaction.
Therefore, if you are
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From what I understand about absolute zero, there is no energy in the system, including the energy required to keep electrons in orbit around the nucleus of an atom.
Absolute Zero means that the temperature of the system is exactly 0 Kelvin. What is temperature, on the other hand, is not so easy to define. For example, it has nothing to do with the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which relates energy and time, or position and momentum. Energy is an all together different physical quantity than temperature.
Therefore, the atoms would collapse in on themselves, creating an extremely dense substance. Am I right in thinking this would happen?
Not quite: the laws of quantum mechanics would prevent such collapse: standard quantum-mechanical description of atom already presupposes that the atom is at 0 Ke
Re:Confirms quantum theory (Score:5, Informative)
And about the mirror versus using an actual dime or something else--a perfectly smooth, very thin object probably makes atomic-level laser targeting much easier than a relatively rough object such as a coin.
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Hmm, the "laser-induced" part must be significant (Score:2)
Paul B.
Here's the sginificance. (Score:5, Funny)
Then, gaze upon its brilliance.
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Re:This is cool stuff and all... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Lower temperatures are reachable with conventional techniques (such as dilution refrigerators). TFA suggests that the technique can even
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Or maybe someone would like to use the demonstrated cooling effect to chill some hardware? Maybe superconductors without having to use liquid nitrogen?
Sometimes just seeing what you can do is enough of a reason. "Because it is there" [google.com]
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(which i guess is why the gp assumed celcius)
i expect the scientists are measuring it in kelvin
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i meant that the scientists are probably using the kelvin scale for notation. i didn't intend to imply the units were different sizes.
i'm posting from the web browser in a ps3. typing with a controller is very distracting.
i'll go upstairs and use a keyboard from now on.
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With kelvin it is at absolute zero, the point where atoms stop vibrating. With celcius it is at the freezing point of water
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Yes but he didn't ask if it was one degree away from absolute zero in Celsius or Fahrenheit he asked if it was one degree Celsius or Fahrenheit and the answer is that it is one degree Kelvin. One degree Celsius would be above the freezing point and wouldn't even begin to approach absolute zero.
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Plus many books have used the same reference too.... but now I'm rambling.
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(I know that some are more efficient than others, but you all know there's no free lunch)
I'd be willing to bet that the massive amount of power required to cool all the air in your house would make you bankrupt in less than a year(and really piss off your power company).
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Tell that to my cousin Tommy, the mooch.
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