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Google Pages to be Replaced by JotSpot 56

Posted by Zonk from the ever-improving dept.
fyc writes "According to a presentation by Scott Johnson, ex-JotSpot executive and recent Google employee, the JotSpot wiki service acquired late last year by Google is to replace Google's own Pages service. The new service will be called as Google Sites and will launch next year. From the presentation: 'Based on JotSpot collaboration tools, Sites will allow business to set up intranets, project management tracking, customer extranets, and any number of custom sites based on multi-user collaboration.'"
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Google Pages to be Replaced by JotSpot

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  • good (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Instine ( 963303 ) on Sunday December 02, 2007 @08:31AM (#21551289)
    Wierd (for me) that I was wondering when a Gwiki would be coming. I'm guessing this'll be free too? My question is, when do we get to host script and flash etc on Google's domain?

  • Are people still falling for this? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 02, 2007 @08:33AM (#21551295)
    Put all your valuable business information on our servers. Go ahead, do it. What could go wrong?

    • Re:Are people still falling for this? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by sqrt(2) ( 786011 ) on Sunday December 02, 2007 @08:50AM (#21551345) Journal
      I hope we're not at the point where merely having a dissenting opinion about the Google constitutes a troll post. There's a need, now more than ever for that opposition voice to be heard. Google is snatching up projects all the time, it's easy to see that their goal is complete control of the business of information management. When it's possible for a company to use Google for everything it's going to be too late to raise privacy and security concerns. Which is why we need to be having that discussion NOW. Google offers these services for free, largely, and if business begins switching over in large numbers to a Google centric data management system YOUR data and YOUR private info will end up in Google's hands just by you doing business with those companies. Now, currently I trust Google more than Microsoft to protect that, they've done nothing yet to shake that trust and they do offer some very valuable services for zero cost, but I do not want them to ever have a monopoly--in any area.

      • Re:Are people still falling for this? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Instine ( 963303 ) on Sunday December 02, 2007 @08:58AM (#21551367)
        It's a valid concern (at least for it to be discussed more), but whats the solution? Apart from simply avoiding the net app model? If you want to use the benefits of SaaS, how would you/anyone suggest these concerns are reduced/nulled? Not at all suggesting more can't be done. Just asking what people think should be done to avoid SaaS continually raising the priacy argument...
        • This is not about SaaS. This is about trusting sensitive information to a huge global corporation with an avowed intent to manage the world's information, no particular respect for other people's business, and already happy to forget about "don't be evil" when for instance there's a lot of money to be made in China. It's not been too many years they've been around - why shouldn't they get worse after 20 years as the founders' influence grows wanes?

          Google's business model gives them incentives to disregard y

      • it's easy to see that their goal is complete control of the business of information management.
        But... but that seems kind of evil to me. They said they're not evil.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by owlnation ( 858981 )

          it's easy to see that their goal is complete control of the business of information management.

          But... but that seems kind of evil to me. They said they're not evil.

          Business (i.e. large Corporations) don't need to be evil. It's just that almost all are to a greater or lesser extent. Google providing non-evil services to corporations doesn't necessarily make them evil per se. However, I do agree that it's seems improbable that if you are hosting evil that you won't somehow be tainted by it.

          It seems li

      • Re:Are people still falling for this? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by moosesocks ( 264553 ) on Sunday December 02, 2007 @10:13AM (#21551653) Homepage
        If google wants to be taken seriously in the enterprise market (due to the obvious privacy implications you mention), they need to start offering network appliances that allow users to privately host their own google service locally without requiring a direct connection to Google.

        Of course, that all said, I don't particularly feel that Google's applications are well-suited to the enterprise to begin with. Microsoft's got that market pretty well cornered, and the level of integration provided by Exchange is simply unmatched. Along the same lines, although I find GMail and GCal both to be fantastic, they're both missing that sort of "snappiness" that you'd get from a desktop application.

        Google's services are attractive to anyone who can't afford their own server (and the staff to run it). Anyone else should probably look elsewhere (and hopefully, we'll start seeing some good OSS packages that can rival Exchange)

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by cmacb ( 547347 )
        I would question whether Google even has a monopoly on search. Having the largest numbers does not a monopoly make.

        They certainly don't have a monopoly on anything else. They are beaten easily by Facebook, Myspace, MS Office, Hotmail, Yahoo in areas where there is direct competition for specific products.

        Why not just judge a company on what they HAVE done rather than on what they MIGHT do?

        The reason Microsoft is still where it is is that people have not applied that principle. On the other hand, a compan
        • First I'd like to point out that you can get MS Office for some other platforms like Mac albeit its still version 2004. I love ripping into M$ as much as the next /.er but not when its not at least somewhat true.

          The problem of calling tech companies (and in other industries as well) evil monopolies is, to some extent, they are consumer voted monopolies, we the consumer gave it to them. This is especially true of Google. Over the years, Google listened to its consumers (mostly searchers), made lots of capi
      • I hope we're not at the point where merely having a dissenting opinion about the Google constitutes a troll post.

        I'm not saying it's the case this time around, but it can get a bit predictable and tedious. Every single time google does anything, posts which might as well be copy/paste from the article before it, and before it, etc, appear. It usually takes a lot of searching in stories about google to actually get to comments that have anything to do with the specific topic. It's getting to the point of b
      • I tend to think that Google is the only company that stands a chance of slowing down the Microsoft monster we all have come to love. If Google can really upset the balance, by finding a better foothold, coming out with free web based tools that do exactly everything that our "windows" does, whether your a windows or linux user, then we do away with windows altogether right, then it becomes a Linux world as in free as in beer....which means that if Microsoft wants to stay competitive, they will have to put o

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by AP31R0N ( 723649 )
        Here's a thought: Don't post any info on your X's services that you want to keep private. 'Private' and 'on the internet' are mutually exclusive terms. If i wear my favorite band shirt to the mall i can't expect the name of my favorite band to be private. If you post your high school massacre plans on your MySpace page... you shouldn't be offended when the cops show up. Don't want that cute girl to know you have a crush on her? Don't tell anyone! If you want something kept private... keep it private.

    • Re:Are people still falling for this? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jellomizer ( 103300 ) * on Sunday December 02, 2007 @09:06AM (#21551403)
      Often a lot less then what could go wrong if you managed it at the business. Echonomies of scale, For a small business especially one not focused on IT. There data storage of important files are on some laptop which could die any second now. For most small IT Companies they have a server perhaps with some sort of raid, and know they should backup daily but usually get it once a month... Even for Mid sized companies managing all the data and keeping it safe is a lot of work and is expensive. It is expensive for google too but that is what they do and do rather well... So chances are that if you lost your data to googe and it was stolen is a lot less then if you try to manage it yourself, while having other jobs to do.

      • Re: (Score:1, Redundant)

        by mysticgoat ( 582871 )

        Mod parent up.

        An increasing number of businesses cannot afford to hire IT personnel who have the skills to keep up with the growing risks of data corruption and security problems. I work for a college that teaches a number of IT related courses from Introduction to Spreadsheets to advanced CS stuff, and quite frankly our IT department is stymied by the security issues that USB drives raise. Even if we get that resolved soon, next year will bring some other challenge that we will initially deal with in the

    • "What could go wrong?" From my experience not a lot more than currently goes wrong with loss of data on walled enterprise systems. Google gives more storage for free, than what I presently have for my e-mail on an enterprise system. At least with Google you might be able to reach the Statute of Limitations storage requirements. I believe Google might have a few extra servers for hardware and data back-up.
    • Good point. Scott addressed this in his presentation and during the Q&A. He compared Google's cloud computing capabilities to a bank. People no longer hoard money under their mattresses because we have come to trust banks. We deposit our money and know that it will be safe until we need it again, and that nobody else will be able to access it. Google wants to achieve this level of trust with its users, and he frequently reiterated that they are secure and constantly hardening their systems even more. I
    • server? The question is WHO will be looking at your data? A single company with a decent reputation (except by the conspiracy theorists types), or everybody in the world.
    • Storing all your important corporate information on a Google hosted service is like storing all your bananas on the Planet Of The Apes.

      That having been said, I'd rather Google's apes sniff my bananas than MonkeySoft's apes. A segment of the company I toil for was using JotSpot prior to the buyout and if Google can do a fair job of integrating their search and Google Docs apps into the service, they could potentially have a strong contender in the information management space.

  • yet another step in google plan for world domination using information tho will happen to blogspot then? its along the same lines and will new gwiki end up like blogspot? full of warez blogs linking to rapidshare?

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Jugalator ( 259273 )
      ?

      I don't see how a blog is related to a wiki / project manager / multi-user collaboration system in any way at all.

      Blogs are "web logs" where people can post stuff without multi user collaboration. A wiki, project manager, or collaboration system is a content managing system for user groups. How would these two be related exactly?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by pikine ( 771084 )

      Speaking of which, I really hope they maintain some consistency in the editor through Blogspot, Google Pages, Google Document, etc. Right now the behaviors for newline conversion, handling of preformatted text, and things you can insert like images and tables are different in all Google apps. I think it's a user experience nightmare. It also shows how little the different teams talk to each other. I also hope that Blogspot becomes integrated with Google Pages so some of the site can be blog and I can use Go

  • What about our existing pages/info? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Peet42 ( 904274 ) <Peet42@@@Netscape...net> on Sunday December 02, 2007 @09:48AM (#21551529)
    Will they maintain "legacy" URLs for early adopters who have amassed many pages and interlinked them with other websites/posted links where they can't edit them?
  • We knew for the Jot team back in July that it was being added as a Google Domain App [jot.com].

    So we now know it has a name.

    Still, I'm looking forward to seeing it deployed. I currently use gmail for my personal domains, and it works well - easy to set up, generous limits.

    --Q
  • Maybe by the time this transition happens, you'll be able to register for a JotSpot account again. . .
  • I find the service to be almost useless, like a lot of other Google things. It's always missing the most basic of functionality.
  • is, will they be trashing all the sites currently on google pages? 'cause that would be bad. for a lot of people.
    • Scott didn't mention anything about this in his presentation. I would assume not. I got the impression that Google Sites (or whatever they end up calling it) will be merged with Google Page Creator. There were no definitive statements either way.
  • Does no one recognise this as potentially being an Alibaba clone type service? Alibaba, basically, provide an easy way for a company to be included in a large B2B service. No independent website required yet registration (together with various fees and verification) needed for a meaningful service. English languages are quite expensice. Clearly China-West is a great B2B market, Alibaba cornered it 18 months ago, so I'm curious if this is just yet another blog type service or something that could be verti
  • Great, another thing to switch to google for. Eventually we will move our physical bodies to Google as well, into their gCapules which provide an exceptional virtual reality experience we can work in, the only price being their using our bodies as batteries to power their massive server farms. That, and objects in the virtual world will be festooned with google ads.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by CdBee ( 742846 )
      Yes, damn them to hell for making free, compelling services, with non-intrusive and sometimes helpful advertising, cross-platform, cross-browser compatibility, resilient support and high levels of availability

      What utter bastards they really are.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by slcdb ( 317433 )

      Eventually we will move our physical bodies to Google as well
      Eventually? Perhaps it has already happened... <orchestra>DuhnDuhnDUUUHHHNNN!</orchestra> *raises one eyebrow*
  • I've been using Google Pages on and off since it first came out. It has always seemed to me to be rather... basic. This is especially true of the file manager. Does anyone have any idea about a possible upgrade to a better file manager, possibly involving the use of directories? FTP support would be really nice too.
  • Possibly redundant, but I would like to note that I got the man's name wrong - it should be Scott Johnston, not Scott Johnson.
  • I have been watching jotspot for a while , I'm glad that google is finally doing something with it
  • that no one has made a GSpot joke jet.

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