



Comcast Promising Ultra-Fast Internet 314
Espectr0 writes "Comcast's CEO Brian Roberts gave The Associated Press a preview of his speech for the Consumer Electronics show, and said that Comcast expects to demonstrate a technology that delivers up to 160 megabits of data per second over cable. At that speed you could download a high-definition copy of 'Batman Begins' in four minutes. The technology, DOCSIS 3.0, will start rolling out this year." Here's a note about Cisco's announcement of their DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem.
That's Incredible. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That's Incredible. (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah. Comcast is bitching and moaning about bandwidth usage at current speeds and doing all sorts of dirty stuff to "shape" usage. If they increase speeds by 15-20x, their wailing and gnashing of teeth will know no end (or upper decibel level).
On the consumer side, they'll probably roll out speeds and pricing only comparable to FIOS and not get anywhere near the higher end speeds at all, or they'll offer 50-100 megabit speeds on business accounts for $200-300 a month.
Still, Verizon just made FIOS available in my neighborhood. I was waiting to see if they'd roll out FIOS TV too and get the package (dump Comcast altogether). Now I may wait to see if Comcast rolls out the new speedy stuff around here to compete with FIOS in the near future. Could be worth the wait.
- Greg
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I just moved, and decided that it would be easier to deal with transferring current comcrap than to initiate service with somebody else. I told them to move my existing service, so if they gave me something else, I'll argue and not pay....
But my bandwidth has been peaking at about 20Mbps, and averaging around 15-17 inbound, and 2-5Mbps outbound. This is up from about 8Mbps/300kbps at the previous residence. Nifty fast.
I'm not sure if it's because I'm now in a more rural area and not havi
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Then again, maybe we'll see a much-needed price war. (Half of me is expecting more colluding and price gouging, while the other is thinking about how Verizon started rolling out fiber and 15Mb symmetric connections, instead of just matching everyone else's offers.)
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Yay for market lock-ins
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So I'm going to have to give my service provider a bunch of gold teeth, spinner rims, and chrome things that aren't usually made of chrome just to get some decent bandwidth?
Re:That's Incredible. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Of course they will always have a little * next to them with small print on the bottom of the offer that says "* Not a guarantee. Actual speeds vary according to how well we are screwing you."
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Re:That's Incredible. (Score:4, Funny)
you yuppie little shit.
And this is better because...?
bittorrent (Score:4, Insightful)
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I will assume you are using it to download things like movie trailers and free software.
Re:bittorrent (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, I don't know, people using BitTorrent to download legal things, like Linux distros, OpenOffice.org, World of Warcraft patches, or anything else that offers BitTorrent downloads.
Seriously, why is that insightful? There are plenty of legal uses of BitTorrent that don't involve pirating movies.
(And, of course, things like, uh, porn and fansubs may not be available on demand. Not that I'd know anything about that. Oh, and indie films and less popular films and all sorts of digital things that aren't likely to be available on demand.)
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There's plenty of FTP/HTTP mirrors for Linux distros, same for OO.o, and WoW patches. (Speaking of which, the Blizzard downloader always closed right after finishing. How exactly is that helping anyone?)
So yes, there are plenty of legal uses, but it's not exactly necessary to use BT for many of them.
Sure, somewhere, once in a blu
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Re:bittorrent (Score:4, Interesting)
Spoken like someone who's never tried to download a popular piece of software right after release. If you have a reasonably fast connection BitTorrent is often the fastest way to get, say, the latest version of your distro, especially during periods of high demand. My net connection isn't even that fast (only 1.5 Mbps) and I've found this. Considering the connection speeds being discussed in TFA, this point is that much more important. Additionally, for community projects this is a way for people to give back by, in effect, donating their bandwidth temporarily, so it has that advantage over FTP and HTTP as well (where you can setup a mirror, but this is a separate and more cumbersome process that must then be managed).
And I care fuck all about what the norm is. BitTorrent is just a tool for shuffling bits around. I use it for perfectly legal purposes. If other people use it for illegal purposes, by all means go after them, but don't punish me for what other people are doing. And don't think that by targeting this one way of shuffling bits you'll stop whatever the activity is, because it will just shift to some other method. As far as I can see, the existence of trackers in BitTorrent probably makes it poorly suited for legal activity when compared to other p2p technologies.
Well some of us actually use it for downloading Linux and such, and we hate it when people act as if we don't exist and back the totally idiocy of targeting a very useful communication protocol because some people happen to use it for illegal purposes.
Upload bandwidth? (Score:2)
Re:Upload bandwidth? (Score:5, Informative)
RTFA. The description [xchangemag.com] of Cisco's DOCSIS 3.0 "modem", linked to from the summary, says:
Whether Cable companies will allow you to use all this is another story — probably not, because that's the simplest way for them to combat file-sharing without affecting downloads from "legitimate" servers... And I'm pretty sure, they'll continue blocking port 80, etc.
But you'll continue buying it, because the awesome download speed will trump all other concerns...
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1. When you buy the movie download option, the movies will be delivered at full blazing speed to you.
2. When you do p2p or other download protocols (ftp, nntp, etc), they limit the available bandwidth.
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Possible — it is their network, after all... The only thing you can complain about is false advertising.
The right way to address this problem (should it really appear) is to stop creating artificial mono- and duopolies and allow multiple companies to compete in all markets.
For years and decades the government was violating the freedom of the Market in order to avoid things like multiple cables running along each other to each house, etc. I'm afraid, the loss of competition outweighed the gains fro
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I've been running my web server (IIS7 with DNS2GO) on ports 80, using 5150 as a automatic fall back should 80 be blocked. So far all my traffic has been going through 80 for quite some time now.
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Heh, really tho. I dont think I've _ever_ bought an internet connection for speed. Every single time has been for price (and/or not-screwing-with-my-connection-policies). In the last five years I havent initiated a single change, yet I've had my speed upgraded three times.
With cable companies and DSL providers upgrading consumers just because they can it's no wonder they're whining about having to pay for net
Re:Upload bandwidth? (Score:2, Informative)
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And I'm pretty sure, they'll continue blocking port 80, etc.
I've run ssh, http/https, smtp, ftp, pop/pops, imap/imaps, et al. on all the standard ports for the last 9 years on my cable internet service and never had any ports blocked by the ISP. I've also never had Bittorrent traffic throttled. I can saturate both directions of my 10M/1M pipe with just a few popular swarms.
The account has passed through the hands of several companies over the years, from AT&T@Home to ATTBI to Comcast and now Time Warner (there may have been another one in there somewhere),
Re:Upload bandwidth? (Score:5, Informative)
Wrong. I will keep buying it, because like the vast majority of Comcast subscribers, I have no other choice.
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Ultra-Fast Internet? (Score:2)
Now it makes sense (Score:2)
Slick! (Score:4, Informative)
Hopefully they'll roll this out with an affordable pricing plan; they already announced that they'll be raising prices in February.
well not quite (Score:2)
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To put that another way, the next generation of cable internet is going to be 70% slower than what is already avail
Re:Slick! (Score:5, Insightful)
If we were currently seeing 38mbit/(9|27)mbit connections now, I might be inclined to say, "yeah, they're going to give us 150+" but because they're operating at about 6mbit/less than 1mbit for the majority of connections (yes, they go a higher for short bursts) this is nothing more than fluff for CES.
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Who cares? They don't max out DOCSIS 1! (Score:4, Interesting)
having a DOCSIS 3.x modem would be like having a firehose into your house but only having measly garden hose pressure amount of water going through it.
Good news and bad news (Score:2)
The bad news is that slashdot stories about Comcast are all full of horror stories with Comcast the monstrous villian. Yikes!
-mcgrew [slashdot.org]
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When I reported outages, it would take days for them to respond. When I called to cancel my service, the customer service guy reviewed my history and asked why it took so long for me to cancel.
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Completely offftopic but it appears I type too fast, as slashdot said "you have 1 new messages" so I clicked. I saw your comment and typed "I'll probably go back to dialup...", hit "enter", and slashdot says "slow down cowboy! It's been fifteen seconds since you hit reply!
I swear, some of the bots slashdot cooks up are fucking brain dead. I should NEVER EVER get a "slowdown cowboy" when responding from the "messages" page! Who coded this kludge anyway? From a useability st
More Empty Promises (Score:2)
The Internet industry has been promising us higher speeds for nigh on a decade now. However the rollout of this new technology has always been slow to nonexistent. What guarantee do we have that Comcast will roll out DOCSIS 3.0 over any kind of reasonable timespan? Also, given that this is Comcast, what guarantees do we have as far as network neutrality goes? I know that one of major arguments used by proponents of traffic discrimination is the reality of limited bandwidth. Now that bandwidth will be b
New Term For Empty Promises On The Net (Score:2, Interesting)
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Given the pace at which Verizon is rolling out FiOS, that's not much of a motivation.
that's some interesting math right there... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:that's some interesting math right there... (Score:4, Informative)
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And you get this for... (Score:5, Funny)
Comcast - We own you.
Faster internet, faster disconnection (Score:5, Funny)
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'Extreme' $52.95/mth 8Mbps down, 0.8Mbps up 100GB/month limit
'Extreme Plus' $99.50/mth 18Mbps down, 1Mbps up 90GB/month limit ?!?!?!?
So I can pay double and you'll let me saturate my connection for 38 minutes per day??
cable companies are crazy.
Dedicated server hosting at many datacentres costs $120/month for 1,500GB on a 100Mbps full duplex link.
We should build municipal fiber networks (lay them as you lay the water and sewerlines)
Then we can have aw
1/4 Batmans per minute? (Score:5, Funny)
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About 1.1 LoCs/fortnight
(hey, turned out to be a very convenient unit).
100 Mbps fibre available here already (Score:3, Interesting)
Wonder what this 160 is supposed to be priced at and how the technology scales in the future.
But what's the limit? (Score:2)
Sorry..... (Score:2)
Or how about that person who gets Comcast 160Mb down only to have it run into a 10/100 Ethernet Card.
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You're also assuming single server for net speed, and completely ignoring doing several things at once.
I bet this service can be maxed out with a decently seeded torrent alone. It's easy to hit the limit on my 20/20mbps right now, you only need a handful of people with my level of service to hit the 160mbps, and that's just the US. Europe has 100/100mbps, Korea and Japan are starting on 1gbps. FiOS probably has
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Err...what kind of servers are you downloading from that use a home user connection? When you download something most of the lines the information passes through have far greater capacity than the user until you reach close to the home user as it's the "last mile" connection that most greatly limits bandwidth.
Or how about that person who
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They spend $10-$20 to buy a gigabit ethernet adapter.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the PS3 already have this? If so, good thinking on Sony's part thinking ahead.
Promises promises (Score:5, Insightful)
How fast is the upload, and for that matter, how many download sources are there that can actually hit that speed for numerous users? Even in a torrent it's tough to find enough seeders to equal those speeds. If it can be done, how many suscribers can hit that speed before they crowd each other out?
I think the biggest boost to my practical download speed would be an increase to other people's upload speeds. That sort of breakthrough would be far more exciting.
They can't deal with what they already provide? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:They can't deal with what they already provide? (Score:5, Insightful)
Upload speed will still be 128k though (Score:3, Insightful)
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Screw Comcast (Score:2)
SPAM on the rise (Score:2, Funny)
No thanks. (Score:2)
Great, so my cable company will force me to buy another new modem, while I'll still only get 2-3Mbps realistic speeds.
How about we stop screwing around... Just give me my FTTP already, preferably not tied to either phone or cable (so I can ditch both).
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You buy your cable modem? Why?
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Because although it may seem like they force another upgrade on us every year, I'd say it actually comes out to about two to three years per modem.
Which, at $2/month, means it would cost me more to rent it than to buy my own. And in any case, I'd far rather give my money to NewEgg than to Time Warner... Not to mention, if I buy my own I can get a unit decent enough to keep sync, vs the bottom-of-the-barrel crap they loan to renters.
It more pisses me off that I have bas
in response to 'comcastsucks' (Score:2)
160 mbits???? (Score:2)
oh that's right, they don't do that
Net Connection Lite (Score:3, Interesting)
Woohoo! (Score:2)
What about customer service? (Score:3, Insightful)
No matter how fast they claim to be now, if their customer service remains a bureaucratic hell, no way.
Batman? (Score:3, Funny)
But it's still Comcast (Score:5, Interesting)
-"Up to" 160 mbps likely means "We'll sell you 20Mb for $50/mth to barely squeeze out our competition, but real speed will cost ya $$$$."
-Is it still a shared network? So if my neighbors are all downloading Batman Begins, is my internet download going to slow to 1mbps? I bet it will.
-Will the service be reliable, as in always on, 24x7x365, you know, like the phone companies and my FiOS connection are? I completely and totally doubt it.
-Will the charge per month keep increasing every six months? I think it will.
-Will you still charge customers for house calls even when the fault lies in your network and your equipment? I'm sure you will.
-Will you replace your unskilled, rude and generally ignorant customer service with talented, considerate and intelligent people? Only if Comcast decides to pay a decent wage, so I guess not.
-Will the VoD carry the latest movies as soon as they're legally available? If the CEO is using Batman Begins (2005) as an example, probably not.
-Will Comcast ever apologize or make amends for all the anguish, pain, suffering and overbilling they have caused their customers since Comcast came into existence? I'm not holding my breath.
My only wish is that Comcast executives, where ever they go will receive the same kind of service they themselves deliver.
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1. 20Mb for $50 is better than the $60/month i pay now for 10Mb
2. Shared? The whole internet is shared. Want dedicated bandwidth, get a dedicated link to EVERY SERVER ON THE INTERNET!
3. Mine is reliable. you might just have a bad link or bad cabling in your house.
4. the price will probably increase if you sign up for one of their "$20 off for 3 months" deals.
5. Comcast doesn't do that.
6. very doubtful, but that's customer service at ANY company.
7. Maybe Maybe not, which ever is more profitable
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2. Not really. When you hit a connection to a domain you're most likely hitting a network load balancing switch and taking a slice of one of multiple servers. I simply prefer having the dedicated connection TO the internet like DSL and FiOS as opposed to being on a "hub" (not even a switch) with my neighbors.
3. Had it for over 3 years and had a problem at least every month, someti
160 megabits? (Score:2)
Everyone loves cable (Score:2)
Related? (Score:2)
Too bad (Score:2)
The math seems incorrect. (Score:2)
(4min)(60seconds/min)(160mb/second)/(8mb/MB) = 4800 MB, or approximately the size of a standard DVD.
Maybe it's just me, but a standard DVD isn't HighDef.
Bad summery by CNN (Score:5, Informative)
What he actually said... (Score:2)
Nobody has it yet.
1 person will have it in 2008.
More downstream? Who cares? (Score:2)
I don't need or even want a
Maybe they should work on reliability first (Score:3, Informative)
When someone tells me that Comcast is offering speed, I yawn and ask them to tell me when it will be back up, since it's down at least once a day.
Warning: Anyone thinking about purchasing Comcast in the south Denver suburbs for any serious data purpose... don't. No matter how fast they say it'll be.
When it's up, 12 Mb/s down, 2 Mb/s up is nice. But reliability is more important than those speeds. The downtime will drive you crazy if you're used to anything transported by a previous Bell entity. As bad as the Bell's may be, their crap generally stays up or they fix it.
Comcast shows no interest in fixing chronic problems at all. They're all about the 80/20 rule. If you happen to fall into the 20% that are up and down all the time, they could care less.
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-mcgrew (latest journal) [slashdot.org]
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Really? You don't get 4Mbit/sec? Are you in a heavily settled area or something? I know that I get 5Mbit/sec. on a consistent basis, and my throughput peaks around 7Mbit/sec. Of course, I'm paying for 8Mbit/sec, so what do I know?
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Re:Its advertising that counts, not the product. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Unlike, say, South Korea. Or anywhere else.