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Ubuntu 8.04 Released 678

Nate2 writes "The Hardy Heron has taken flight: it's the second LTS (Long Term Support) release of the world's most popular distro. New features include the Wubi Windows installer and Firefox 3 beta 5. Grab a copy here, and check out Linux Format's overview of the release."
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Ubuntu 8.04 Released

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  • I seem to be stuck at 98%....
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:20AM (#23182324)
    The server was overloaded; it's back up now, but in case it becomes unstable again... Cached lists of mirrors (for all versions):

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    Torrent for 8.04 desktop version i386 ISO:

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    Direct links to 8.04 desktop version i386 ISOs:

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  • by Aranykai ( 1053846 ) <slgonser@[ ] ['gma' in gap]> on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:20AM (#23182328)
    Its as if thousands of bittorrent peers suddenly started connecting at once.
  • Kubuntu (Score:5, Informative)

    by Rik Sweeney ( 471717 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:21AM (#23182346) Homepage
    Don't forget Kubuntu []!

    There are some of us who don't (or kan't) run Gnome...
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by kernowyon ( 1257174 )
      Just to note that the Kubuntu 8.04 release is not an LTS one, because of the upcoming KDE4 apparently. So if Long Term Support is something you really need - and you want Kubuntu - then you are still going to be using 6.06 for a while yet.
    • Re:Kubuntu (Score:5, Informative)

      by M0pper ( 1278632 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:05AM (#23183206)
      For those of you that can't run Gnome or KDE, don't forget Xubuntu! ( This version of Ubuntu features XFCE as a desktop environment, which is more lightweight then the other two, while maintaining most functionality. Alternatively, you can just get XFCE next to your current desktop environment and set it up so that you can choose which environment you want to use for your session each time you log in. You could then, for example, use Gnome or KDE when your laptop is running from its adapter and use XFCE when running on battery power, to cut down the power usage.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by kellyb9 ( 954229 )
        For those of us who can't run Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Xubuntu - don't forget about Window 3.1.
    • Re:Kubuntu (Score:5, Funny)

      by Dystopian Rebel ( 714995 ) * on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:16AM (#23183428) Journal

      (or kan't) run Gnome...
      Kant runs Gnome, as explained in his Critique Of Pure Usability.

      Kant uses BitTorrent because he asserts that one should download such that the protocol for one's download may scale to serve all downloaders simultaneously.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by wigginz ( 730819 )
      I was a die hard Kubuntu guy until I installed Hardy (Ubuntu) on a friend's laptop and wow, Gnome really impressed me with it's polish. KDE in Kubuntu seems so thrown together compared to Gnome. Makes sense too, Canonical only pays one Kubuntu developer, all their resources go to making polishing Gnome.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        ...all their resources go to making polishing Gnome.
        Boy, I wish I got paid for polishing my Gnome.

        Sorry, the stage was set with all the Hairy Hardon references
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Spliffster ( 755587 )
        i've been using KDE it since 0.7.

        All i can tell you is that kde sucks big hairy mokey balls ina networked (read Xwindow) envorinment. this is why i prefer gtk apps (read gnome).

        my experience doesn't include kde 4. but as far as i can tell kde makes a nice personal computer desktop but remote x really sucks with all the animations turned on by default (even for remote sessions ... argh).

        when i discovered gnome 2 and discovered that remote X doen't have to suck on remote sessions (windows) i dropped kde.

        ok KD
  • by FooAtWFU ( 699187 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:26AM (#23182434) Homepage
    I'm not the kind to diss a distro over most things, but does it actually ship with a beta web browser? (Or is that just an option the user can add?) There's a few things F3B5 just doesn't quite do yet (mostly relating to extensions). I wouldn't want it to be my only choice available via the package manager, or anything.

    (Note that I don't use Ubuntu or plan to use it any time in the very near future, so I really have no idea how easy it'd be to swap things out.)

    • by Constantine XVI ( 880691 ) <trash.eighty+slashdot @ g m a i l . c om> on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:29AM (#23182506)
      AFAIK, since this is a LTS (Long Term Support) release, they went with the beta Firefox so there wouldn't be major shocks when Mozilla stopped updating 2.x and Ubuntu updated everyone to 3.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by cronot ( 530669 )

        That, and I think FF3b5 is already more stable than FF2 is, aside from the numerous performance and footprint improvements.

        There's the issue with extensions, yes. But there are few extensions at this point that doesn't have a FF3 compatible version, even if in beta. In my case, the ones that doesn't, I was able to replace with another extension that does the same thing, or better. In my case:

        • - Duplicate Tab => Tab Clicking options
        • - All-in-one Gestures (seems abandoned, btw) => Mouse Gestures Redox
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by tolan-b ( 230077 )
      As usual with Ubuntu they seem happy to ship whatever state it's in on the official launch date.

      I'm not trolling here, I'm running Hardy myself, but for a supposedly 'hardy' long term support release it's still pretty buggy for me. Sound in Flash stopped working yesterday (for plenty of other people too by the look of the bug on launchpad), I have to re-enter my WPA password every time I boot, and font hinting isn't working for gnome-terminal and KDE based apps.

      • by snl2587 ( 1177409 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:48AM (#23182840)

        This would be why I usually wait a month or so before I upgrade to the newest version of Ubuntu. I expect open-source stuff to have bugs but they fix most of them; it just takes little time. For now I'm hanging on to Gutsy until the rush dies down.

        As for the WPA password...did you check the Keyring settings? Chances are that a config file was modified, switching the default save setting...if I had to guess.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by rbanffy ( 584143 )
        "As usual with Ubuntu they seem happy to ship whatever state it's in on the official launch date."

        Sure that's why we had 6.06. Oh. Wait!

        They got ff3b5 in because it's good enough. I have been using it for a couple weeks and I can vouch for it. As for unusable parts, they did not include the KDE4 environment because it is, as of right now, very shaky.

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        but for a supposedly 'hardy' long term support release it's still pretty buggy for me. Sound in Flash stopped working yesterday

        some people would consider that to be a bonus...

    • by Burpmaster ( 598437 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:51AM (#23182904)
      Firefox 2 is in the software repository, so it's easy to install. Look either in Synaptic or in add/remove programs.
  • It's beta. It's also widely unsupported right now and doesn't work with several plug-ins I love to use. I do like some of the built in features of it, and use it on several of my systems, but I don't see it as belonging in an OS Release.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      This is a Long Term Support release, obviously they didn't want to have to support Firefox 2 for another 5 years.
      • by Ctrl-Z ( 28806 )
        So, uh, they're going to support a beta Web browser instead? Interesting.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by tolan-b ( 230077 )
          They'll release 3 final to the repositories when it's released and probably reroll the installer CD I'd have thought.

          They could really do with a bit more flexibility on their launch dates though.
    • by Tikkun ( 992269 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:41AM (#23182716) Homepage
      Ubuntu releases based on a schedule (1 major release every 6 months, 1 release with long term support every 2 years), not when software is completely "ready". The merits of this can be argued by better geeks than I (I'll continue to use 7.10 on my desktop for a month, but 8.04 is going on my lappy pronto).

      If you need completely stable software you should use another distro (Debian comes to mind) or wait a month or two.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Kjella ( 173770 )

        The merits of this can be argued by better geeks than I

        Just my 2c, I like (fairly) fixed release points, the question is rather how bleeding edge you accept submissions to be. Before Ubuntu I used Debian, and found it fairly frustrating because certain packages would hold back releases so long that other packages would be replaced which again generated new blocking bugs etc. It's much better to ship what's release-ready now even if it's 3 months old than always wait for that package that's "almost" ready. Ubuntu is a little trigger-happy on including the bleed

  • Aumix (Score:2, Flamebait)

    by Hatta ( 162192 )
    Sweet, maybe now I can adjust my volume [].
  • Torrent-only mirror (Score:5, Informative)

    by rmullen ( 1258212 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:32AM (#23182562)
    The Boston University Linux Users Group is providing a .torrent-only mirror that should be able to be easily reached regardless of traffic. It's often difficult to fight through the hordes around the other servers just to get a torrent file, so we felt this would be convenient. We also have a copy of the MD5SUMS if you need it. []

    Contains the alternate, desktop, and server torrents for both i386 and amd64.

    Hope this helps.
  • I am very happy that there has been another LTS release (and on my birthday)! I've been running the beta and it has been very stable other than than the firefox alpha (which seems to work fine on my debian lenny box).

    I am dissapointed that abiword 2.6 didn't make the cut, though. It is a great release, however the timing of things didn't work out. You can get some context on what happened at one of the developer's blog [] and the bug report []. Seems there was a little tension involved. Also, here are the relea []

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:36AM (#23182642)

    Please, always check MD5SUMS
  • I didn't have such a great experience upgrading.

    My video card didn't work, sound didn't work, and, apparently, I use stale software with has been deprecated.

    Either way, here's a review of my adventures: []

    Here's a summary of the woes described on that web page:

    1) to get nvidia to work for a GeForce 8600 GTS (and in my case TwinView, for two displays), you need to download a beta driver straight from nvidia,

    2) to get sound to work you need to run a

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by crimsun ( 4771 )
      This bug is due to a long-standing state mismatch with mixer element strings changing between alsa-{kernel,driver} releases.

      For 8.10, we're considering a GUI (if not automated) method to deal with it.
  • by old_skul ( 566766 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:42AM (#23182730) Journal
    Instead of doing the bittorrent dance, I started having the disc shipped to me. You can order whatever you need from [] - they do a great job of getting the discs shipped, free of charge, in a lot less time than what they indicate on the site.

    I ask for 25 discs at a time, put a pile of them on my desk at work, and they're gone in a week. Here, have a Linux, it's free.
  • by Colonel Korn ( 1258968 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:44AM (#23182780)
    I'm running XP at home. I've got two large hard drives, not in a RAID. Were I to download this Ubuntu release, would it be easy to set up dual-booting? What's the best way to do that, assuming I don't want to upset by Windows install in any way? Would I need to use FAT32 on a drive to make it visible to both OSs? Is there a robust method to at least read NTFS in Linux? Would it make sense to install on a USB memory stick or an external hard drive?
    • by tomtomtom777 ( 1148633 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:48AM (#23182848) Homepage

      I'm running XP at home. I've got two large hard drives, not in a RAID. Were I to download this Ubuntu release, would it be easy to set up dual-booting? What's the best way to do that, assuming I don't want to upset by Windows install in any way? Would I need to use FAT32 on a drive to make it visible to both OSs? Is there a robust method to at least read NTFS in Linux? Would it make sense to install on a USB memory stick or an external hard drive?

      NTFS read/write access has stable for a long time. No need for FAT32.

      You don't need an external harddisk or usb-stick. Ubuntu won't disturb Windows.

      Just download, burn and boot the live cd, then click the install icon. Ubuntu will guide you smoothly into making some space and dual-booting.

      Don't Panic

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      The easiest way would probably be to use Wubi, which installs the ubuntu system as an application inside your Windows install (or something like that, haven't tried it myself as I don't have Windows installed).

      If you choose to install ubuntu on another drive and dual boot your ubuntu install should be perfectly capable at reading your NTFS partitions (helped a friend back up his stufs from a borked XP install just last weekend, worked great), I'm not sure about writing to NTFS partitions though, but it m
    • Most modern distros will overwrite the XP bootloader with GRUB the linux bootloader. However GRUB will detect windows and present it as a boot option so its pretty much seamless.

      To prepare, use partition manager in windows to free up some space on one of your drives, then install linux in the free space. As above GRUB will detect windows partition seamlessly.

      If you ever want to revert to windows bootloader, just boot off the XP disk, go into recovery console and type a command which I can't remember but googling will reveal it very quickly (its something like fixmbr).

      NTFS is fine with a driver called ntfs-3g, may not be out of the box but it is usually easily obtainable via an update. In Ubuntu it will be a one-line command to install, same as installing anything (you will love this about linux) as long as you have an internet connection. There will be a general 'install X package' commmand, from memory in ubuntu its 'sudo apt-get XXX'.

      However this will only install the driver, you will probably have to manually mount the windows partition via either the mount command or editing your fstab which is the file linux uses to determine what file systems to mount.

      Personally if its ur first go I would install linux on a spare box to have a tinker first. I went down this path for a year before I was game enough to muck with my 'production' desktop.

      The critical thing is to have another working computer with the internet available so you can look up instructions on the fly whilst you're in linux in case you can't get something to work in linux that also kills your web browsing. Once you have google at your disposal, your issues (barring bad-luck hardware incompatibilities) are all solvable and someone out there will have solved it already and posted a solution for you, often with cut-and-paste commands to follow.

      Have fun, and don't get discouraged - remember it took you however many years to learn what you know about windows, and for the first few weeks it will feel like learning how to walk again. Remember: most of what you know about PCs is actually what you know about WINDOWS, so don't be surprised when things are done differently in linux (on the upside it generally makes perfect sense). But in the long run it will pay off. The great thing is that in linux everything is controlled via human readable text files, no registry hunting required, even if you don't know anything about X you can tell a lot from the config files and tonnes of issues can be solved by a simple and obvious parameter change.

      Disclaimer: above is general linux advice from a Fedora user, I do not use ubuntu so your mileage may vary.
  • by UberHoser ( 868520 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:46AM (#23182826)
    Well more than curious. It looks pretty slick.

    And I am really not asking to be flamed here, but can someone tell me why I might want to move from Windows to Ubuntu? Either for home (World of Warcraft has to run on it) or from work?

    (Puts on asbestos boxers)

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by zoward ( 188110 )
      Where to start? Let's see:

      - It's free.

      - I can reinstall it, move it new hardware, run it on multiple boxes without having to get on the phone and beg someone for an additional license.

      - Most of the applications I use daily come with the base install of Ubuntu (office apps, web browser, IM client, etc).

      - When they don't, I can easily download and install full-scale robust applications safely from the internet in seconds.

      - updating to the latest versions of software after reinstalling from disc can be done in
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Wylfing ( 144940 )

      The main reason why I think people should give Linux (esp. Ubuntu or Fedora) a try is that once you get used to doing things the "Linux way" you start to realize how much it sucked to be using Windows. It's hard to quantify...I've been using Linux on my work and home desktops since 2001, and using Windows now feels clunky, clumsy, and irritating. Maybe a lot of it has to do with how you train your brain to work around all the horrible quirky behavior of Windows, and once you're away from it awhile you notic

  • Features (Score:3, Informative)

    by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @10:49AM (#23182866)

    So from the review there are several new features here that might be of use:

    • - Wubi - for improved installation experience.
    • - Compiz - now enabled by default, for some eye candy as well as an expose clone and nicer application selection using tab.
    • - Vinagre - a new, built in VNC client that uses zeroconf for local auto-discovery. (Man I hope this works with OS X's implementation.)
    • - Brasero - CD/DVD burning application.

    So it sounds like a couple of useful new features and probably more the review did not cover. opefully I'll give it a test run tonight.

  • I upgraded (Score:4, Informative)

    by Blice ( 1208832 ) <> on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:00AM (#23183106)
    I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04;

    I like the new compiz-fusion plugins it includes.
    Includes 3d windows for the cube (Where the windows stick off of the walls), this new "Shelf" plugin, that makes it able to shrink the size of windows to a thumbnail where you can dock them to the side of your desktop or wherever. They also have an "Error notification" plugin which is neat- Gives you an alert whenever any program has an error, and you can specify how serious an error has to be before it notifies you. The notification is just a little popup on your notification area.

    In the new Gnome, I really really like the new VNC client. It has a "bookmark" section to the side, and it has tabs. Tabs for VNC! I love it. The other really useful thing it has is a "VNC scanner", which scans computers on the domain for VNC ports to connect to, and gives you a nice list. Besides that, there isn't really much else great about the new Gnome- They try to keep things "simple" (A.K.A., not much customization to be done.)

    I've had a couple problems so far with Ubuntu 8.04, though. The first noticeable problem was that only one window on my desktop had a border. I.E, if I switched from one window to another, the window I switched to would lose it's border and title bar, and the new window would get borders and a title bar. I fixed this by installing Xgl, apparently I didn't have it.

    The other issue is these odd black dots.. They consist of maybe four pixels making a block. There's about 10 of them in a row on my screen, even when I do the cube and other things, they stay on top of everything. Even in my log in window. I have no idea what's causing it.

    And, finally, my sound isn't working now. But I see a lot of people are having this problem.

    Oh, and one more con- The "Unlock" button for network manager is really annoying. I'm not sure why it was needed, maybe someone can enlighten me?
  • New Icon (Score:5, Insightful)

    by somegeekynick ( 1011759 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:02AM (#23183126)
    Slashdot should start using Ubuntu's symbol instead of Debian's. Oh and, I'm downloading via the torrent right now.
  • Synergy users beware (Score:3, Informative)

    by bdigit ( 132070 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:05AM (#23183214)
    This bug [] causes synergy to sputter along unless its started under sudo or you recompiled your kernel with a different scheduler enabled.
  • by Danathar ( 267989 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:06AM (#23183232) Journal
    Yes, the tracker is overloaded, but that's why we have DHT!

  • Very Impressed (Score:3, Informative)

    by Oxy the moron ( 770724 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:06AM (#23183236)

    I've been running Hardy right up from Alpha 2 until the RC. It's a quality release. Only issue I've had so far is that the sound on my laptop (Vostro 1700, uses Intel HDA) is almost impossible to hear unless the sound is up all the way. I've read a few things to try and get it fixed, but that's not too high priority right now.

    The installation is clean, it did a fantastic job auto-detecting my 3D hardware and setting up Compiz on both laptop and desktop (Intel X3100 and GeForce FX5500 respectively), and it's easy enough for grandma to use.

    Kudos to the Ubuntu team.

  • Question: (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Pojut ( 1027544 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:43AM (#23183956) Homepage
    Does anyone here with a D-Link wireless PCI card have any networking issues with this release? I know that when the previous one came out, I was having some issues getting Ubuntu to recognize my wireless card... WDA-2320, if I'm remembering correctly.
  • by octaene ( 171858 ) <bswilson@[ ] ['gma' in gap]> on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:47AM (#23184088) Homepage
    I see lots of replies about ISO mirrors and download sites, but has anyone tried to perform a distribution upgrade from 7.10 yet? Any news on that? I assumed I'd give that a shot maybe tomorrow when server loads aren't quite as busy...
    • One tip: if you use any kind of even slightly unusual X setup (such as dual monitors with Xinerama), back up your old xorg.conf and generate a fresh one with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" before you upgrade. When you've upgraded, use new 7.3 tools like xrandr to do whatever it is you're aiming for.
  • by tjstork ( 137384 ) <todd,bandrowsky&gmail,com> on Thursday April 24, 2008 @11:54AM (#23184248) Homepage Journal
    That would, say, let me run ubuntu off of a live CD on a Windows machine but still be able store some stuff on the Windows machine? Like, if I have a company notebook, and I want to run Linux on the train, could I do that... without putting Linux on it?
  • by stonewolf ( 234392 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @12:05PM (#23184466) Homepage
    I started testing 8.04 at alpha 3 and have tested every version since. I am sad to say that that every version I have tested locks up solid after 5 to 10 minutes. The bug has been filed and is being experience by quite a few people on a lot of different hardware.

    I have put 7.10 back on my laptop and I will not be updating to 8.04 until the lock up bug is reported as being fixed.

    Of course, it is working just fine on a lot of other hardware... So, do your self a favor and burn a live CD and test it for a few hours before you do the final upgrade and do a very careful and complete back up before you upgrade.

    This is the first time I have had *any* problems with stability of an Ubuntu release and I have been using it for several years now and I have tested a lot of alpha and beta releases. I hope this is the last time I have any trouble with an Ubuntu release.

  • Ubuntu Studio (Score:3, Interesting)

    by De Lemming ( 227104 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @12:21PM (#23184748) Homepage
    Has anyone here experience with this one? I'd like to give it a try.

    Ubuntu Studio is "a multimedia creation flavor of Ubuntu." It includes applications for audio and video creation and for graphic work. It also has the Linux kernel optimized for low latency. []
    Download (not accessible at the moment): []
    Torrent mirror:
    MD5: []
    i386: []
    AMD64: []
  • Wubi! (Score:3, Funny)

    by PastaAnta ( 513349 ) on Thursday April 24, 2008 @03:55PM (#23188374)

    "There is a new installation option for Windows users. Wubi allows users to install and uninstall Ubuntu like any other Windows application."

    So now I can install Ubuntu with Wine?

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