The First Paper-Based Transistors 177
Roland Piquepaille found news of research out of Portugal that has resulted in the first paper-based transistors (the original article is less informative than Roland's blog). More precisely, they've made the first field effect transistors (FET) with a paper interstrate layer. According to the research team, such transistors offer the same level of performance as 'state-of-the-art, oxide-based thin film transistors produced on glass or crystalline silicon substrates.' Possible applications include disposable electronics devices, such as paper displays, smart labels, bio-applications or RFID tags. The research will be published in IEEE Electron Device Letters in September.
Finally (Score:5, Funny)
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Coming soon, the 5 MHz toilet paper.
Charmin - feel the buzz!
Re:Finally (Score:5, Funny)
Coming soon, the 5 MHz toilet paper.
Overclock it to 10Mhz for extra warmth on those cold winter mornings...
Re:Finally (Score:5, Funny)
> > Coming soon, the 5 MHz toilet paper.
> Overclock it to 10Mhz for extra warmth on those cold winter mornings...
Don't overclock the Charmin.
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640mhz is all the megahertz you will ever need.
Yeah, on my ASS.
Just don't go all asynchronous on that.
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just be careful, paper doesn't overclock well, and once it starts smoldering it'll fry out the rest of the chip by bringing it up to 451F
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Honestly? It's so hard to tell sarcasm on text only forums... If you really don't get it, and want it explained, please feel free to reply.
Here's a tidbit though for those who agree with you and honestly don't get this joke (are there any such souls on /.?):
Hz is cycles per second, more or less (some will argue that this is not what Hz is - go with this) so if you had TP that moved back and forth at five times per second, what would that mean for you? If you then underclocked it by a factor of ten, you w
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Soon thereafter congress will have to enact another CAN-SPAM act.
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Is this really so far fetched?
We already have TP with embedded lotion and pleasant scents,
why not a simple audio device that plays some soothing muzak.
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No, I'm pretty sure there's a lot of /.'rs who want some TP that is partial to larger rears. I'm just guessing tho, not particularly for the same reason as Sir Mix-a-lot...
I've met a lot of geeks, I think that my above statement is correct...
Re:Finally (Score:5, Funny)
The cheap toilet paper my company buys already has some type of hurtz in it. Like sandpaper hurtz.
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The terrible puns, they hurtz us!
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No, No, In Soviet Russia, they hurtz us
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Coming soon, the 5 MHz toilet paper.
I'll stick to the seashells, thanks :)
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Coming soon, the 5 MHz toilet paper.
If you're wiping 5,000,000 times a second that toilet paper better be really good at soaking up blood.
+1 gross
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Re:Finally (Score:5, Funny)
New? We've had asswipe overlords for decades centuries pretty much forever, I think.
Paper batteries? (Score:5, Informative)
Amazing... (Score:1)
Printegrated Circuits (Score:2, Funny)
There was an article published many years ago in an Australian electronics magazine which described 'printegrated circuits'.
I forget which year it was, but it was the April issue.
Origami! (Score:2, Funny)
The Paper! (Score:1, Interesting)
Finally... (Score:1)
Not paper transistors dammit (Score:5, Informative)
The INTERSTRATE layer is paper now. In a normal FET, the whole thing has a doped silicon substrate functioning as the grid and body, with a (say) metal oxide semiconductor in between as an insulator (interstrate) (MOSFET). They replaced the MOS with paper. It's still a hunk of silicon.
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I didn't know you swung that way. Give me a call later.
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Sounds like these things should be in the tour de france.
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"Interstrate" is a word Roland made up. By it he means: substrate and gate dielectric.
Hmmm ... (Score:2, Insightful)
What about moisture or humidity? (Score:2, Insightful)
This is great and everything.... (Score:5, Funny)
What they really need to do is use something very common; like, I don't know, sand. That's assuming they can come up with the technology. I know, I know. I'm dreaming.
Re:This is great and everything.... (Score:5, Interesting)
but this will put even more demand on forests and the farming of trees - they grow too slow to keep up with the potential demand of these products...
Yeah using a renewable and easily managed resource is obviously a terrible idea... Wait, no it's a fantastic idea, I grew up surrounded by a managed forest [oregon.gov] and while it may stunt growth in the short term the fact is it left us with countryside to be proud of and long term economic activities, especially when you read of developments such as this.
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I would like my transistors in cherry wood. I know some prefer oak and some go with cedar and, o humanity, some less discriminating folks will be going for the cheaper soft woods, like pine. In any case, I'll take mine well polished, stained and with a good satin finish.
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Two variants I want to see:
1) Hemp-based transistors (it's good enough for The Constitution)
2) Flash-paper (nitrocellulose) transistors. That will give that extra incentive not to design circuits that run too hot... Or, the ultimate in hardware-based, tamper-proof, and retributive circuitry.
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Sorry, I meant the Declaration of Independence. That's entirely different.
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Please comment :)
Captain Obvious to the rescue!
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yeah, just take these two big rocks here, and keep banging them together. I'll bring you some more rocks once that fire mountain over there get's through spewing new rocks onto the ground, and after they've cooled. Last time someone from the tribe tried to get a "new rock" too soon, and his arm fell off. He must have upset the fire mountain gods by trying to take the new rocks too soon.
For those about to downmod/enlighten me for the fact that sand != silica or whatever, chill out. He said sand, I went f
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Paper can be made out of a lot more things than trees. Hemp for instance.
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Bamboo makes paper, and anyone who's ever planted the stuff in their yard will tell you that the trick is NOT growing too much.
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But then we'll have a dependence on foreign sand. I mean, we can't use our beach sand, or the sand from our national parks...
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I remember a few years ago some company dreamed up disposable cell phone using thin cardboard paper. I'm so glad they threw this idea in the recycling bin on the desktop.
We don't need unnecessary waste in our landfills.
obvious uses.. (Score:5, Interesting)
"I will not display the next page of the book until you watch this advert in full"
paper airplane, and UAV in one
smart toilet paper (ugh!)
Q's wet dream
interactive wall paper
disposable smart ID badges
party hats with a difference..
"I am your tenth cigarette this hour!"
any more? can anybody think of sinister possible uses?
PHB's Revenge (Score:2)
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"Yes, you are voting for Al Gore."
"I'm sorry, you double-voted for Al Gore and Pat Buchanan. Please destroy this ballot and request another."
"Excuse me, did you mean to leave this chad hanging?"
This technology is going to be here at least a decade too late...
Paper wireless mesh routing (Score:2)
Just imagine beeing able to build extremely cheap wireless mesh routers and sticking them to every lamp-post in a city. You'd instantly have a completely unregulated network free of lawyers and companies and free to use.
This is actually simmilar to the microcomputer revolution. At first people only thought about putting those into mundane applications like microwave ovens or TV-sets, later people buildt their own computers around those chips, spurring the real revolution. I believe the same will happen here
A heat sink is going to be crucial (Score:5, Funny)
to make sure the circuit never reaches 451F
Oh Crap (Score:2, Funny)
out of portugal ? (Score:2, Funny)
some other inventions from portugal:
- convertible submarine
- windshield wipers (americans improved them by placing them on the outside)
- helicopter with ejector seat
- solar powered flashlight
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ok, i confess. i'm brasilian. couldn't resist joking, mod me down at will
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- helicopter with ejector seat
That's really done actually, at least it was at one point. The main rotors were held on with explosive bolts, IIRC, so that they could destruct before the pilot got to them.
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You error was und
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I have a rather nice solar powered 6-LED flashlight that was given to me as a gift some four years ago. Works very well too, as long as I remember to leave it on the windowsill once a year or so.
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A solar powered flashlight (and its close cousin, the wind powered fan) make a lot of sense, so long as there is a battery in there to store the energy.
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Of course the last two actually exist...
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you forgot
- the tricycle with four-wheel drive
- the waterproof sundial
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>the waterproof sundial
Useful in a fountain or pool
>the tricycle with four-wheel drive
Tough one... The fourth wheel is above the front wheel so the trike can flip upside down without losing traction?
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>convertible submarine
http://blog.cardomain.com/blog/2008/03/geneva-motor-sh.html [cardomain.com]
You are really not trying hard enough.
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So Portugal is the new Poland?
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portugal is for brasilians what poland is for you.
unfortunately for my karma, moderators here seems to have lost any sense of humor.
let's try it again:
"Maria was trying to light the stove without success. so she yelled to manuel:
- Manual, the matchsticks aren't working.
Manuel replied:
- That's not possible Maria. I tested each one of them earlier and they worked alright!"
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airplane, voice transmission over radio waves, hot air baloon, caller ID for analog phone systems, dirigible baloon, photography, typewriter.
here: http://mundoestranho.abril.com.br/materia/materia_204346.shtml [abril.com.br]
just to mention a few.
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The best part is that ALL of these are real and good inventions. I'm on a modem right now so I won't be finding the link at the moment but there are numerous convertible-submarine pleasure craft of varying sizes (including a yacht or two) operating out there in the world right now. Solar-powered flashlights are now common (batteries are good) and the helicopters with ejection seats discard their rotors with explosive bolts before firing. The wipers are covered here [slashdot.org] (bad link etiquette, sorry.)
This is why I
Pssh... (Score:2, Funny)
Folding (Score:4, Funny)
The same research team also said they would be releasing a CPU (codenamed "Origami") based on these transistors. It's optimised for F@H.
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It's optimised for F@H.
You mean the distributed paper-airplane testing system?
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Just think of the money you'll save by not having to buy a fancy tablet and a copy of Fractal Painter.
Incompatibilities (Score:2, Funny)
At first my eyese saw "First Paper-Based Ter- (Score:1)
rorists"...
i guess that was transistory thought...
Not the first (Score:5, Informative)
The first transistors on paper have been published in 2005:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7387872.html [freepatentsonline.com]
There is also a paper by the same authors, which I can not find right now.
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The patent you link to uses paper as the substrate material for the transistor. In layman's terms, the paper in that article simply provides structural stability transistor on the paper surface. In some sense, the paper in that device could be replaced by a silicon wafer, a plank of wood or some concrete--it just keeps everything together.
The new work has the paper providing not only structural stability but also acting as the insulator for the FET. Usually the insulator would be silicon dioxide, a hig
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>as the insulator for the FET.
Oh, really? I must have misunderstood the article.
>All jokes about smart toilet paper aside, this is big-league stuff
No, this is not big league stuff, this looks more like a Science toy. Nice idea and good for a publication, but no immediate real world application.
Unless they manage to thin down the insulator to a thickness of 250 nm (thats 1/1000 of a typical paper sheet) or less it is pretty useless due to insufficient channel modulation - even for thin film transistors
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Back in 2000, Bell Labs [findarticles.com] came out with something similar. They produced n and p type transistors out of plastic based materials and could be printed on with techniques used for paper.
Just a second! (Score:2)
...I gotta print an MP3 player and load a couple of songs. Be ready to go in a sec. :oD
Dollar$, Dollar$ (Score:2, Interesting)
Paper-shredders (Score:1)
The next thing you know accountants start shredding their hard-copies and their soft-copies.
ohnoitsroland (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it will take more than one or two decent submission to redeem himself of all the crap submissions that caused all the agitation for the ability to filter posts by submitter and the creation of firefox add-ons specifically for filtering him.
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think...why does he keep getting front page stories? because they like helping jerks? no--they like helping themselves.
If you thought the media corps bitch about piracy (Score:2)
If you thought the media corps bitch about piracy.....
Just wait and see what the electronics industry say when they start losing business to people pirating electronic products with their printer.
Of course, as a printer is electronics, even the pirating machines could be pirated!
(No, of course I haven't read the article :) )
Right back at you environmentalists (Score:2)
A tree hugger would be worried at this point.
Would this be classified as going green? HA!
This solves the memory retention problem (Score:2)
with disk encryption. Just buy a lighter- burn current memory, pull another DIMM off the pad, insert, you're back in business.
Cheap Transistor Inks (Score:4, Interesting)
Paper is an interesting substrate, because it's cheap, but also because it's a renewable resource. It literally grows on trees. It's an interesting development because it's carbon, not a silicon material. It's not even made from plastic, which we have to make from oil. Which means that it could be made from the extra pollution we suck out of the air - the old fashioned way: growing it in the ground.
What will be really interesting is if we can match that innovation by printing organic inks onto the paper to make the rest of the transistors. Carbon based "wires" on the substrate. Preferably grown from plants (or algae - I'm not picky). See if we can't grow our microelectronics, rather than manufacture it, and cut out most of the waste and pollution, while perhaps making fairly durable objects that can be easily recycled into the environment by just burying them in soil. Atop which we grow the next generation.
Self-destructing documents? (Score:2)
Wafers (Score:2)
Real material issue is trace materials (Score:2)
The most serious materials scarcity issue which exists with transistors is not the silicon (of which there is plenty lying around), but rather, the trace metals which are used in the semiconductor doping. These trace metals are engangered and reserves of them will begin to be depleted in as soon as 10 years. Germanium for instance is predicted to become extinct in little as 10 years. The idea of a disposable semiconductor device is very disturbing as all trace metal material needs to be recycled and reused
I couldn't do my homework (Score:2)
My dog ate my computer
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But soon the paper will analyze the cocaine as you snort it and if it really good maybe make a phone call or two. Hundred dollar bills phoning home when they are in large stacks... Faraday cage wallets will really be needed then...
Two twenty's meet in a bar, first twenty says to the second one "I'm from a bank heist last week... waiting for a good signal so I can report myself"
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Unfortunately this was my first thought too