Testing the KDE 4.2 Release Candidate, On Windows 272
Verunks writes "Ars takes the KDE 4.2 release candidate out for a test drive on Windows. The popular open source desktop environment has moved beyond Linux and is becoming increasingly robust on other platforms. Even KDE's Plasma desktop shell is now Windows-compatible."
Sounds Great! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Sounds Great! (Score:5, Funny)
Web server...no that's not it.
Desktop environment... no.
Oh - X11! Wait, no.
Uuuuh. Why do we reboot?
Oh yeah, installing new hardware! Sometimes you have to power down for that!
Oh, and every year when I update my kernel, whether I need to or not.
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:4, Funny)
The main reason I usually have for rebooting is moving house. The car journey lasts longer than the UPS.
Phillip.
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:5, Funny)
UNIX - why reboot more often than you have sex?
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:5, Funny)
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Its similar to the restart process you do when you install a new kernel.
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This is an element of what is also sometimes known as "percussive maintenance". When you have a computer that refuses to work correctly, often the first thing one does is to kick it angrily. If even after going through the usual support voodoo it still doesn't work, you "re-boot" (i.e. "kick it again") it.
On unreliable platforms, this may be the preferred way of dealing with problems.
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:4, Funny)
None of my windows machines have had a BSoD in years!
I want my money back.
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two are on all the time. Two more are on frequently.
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no, I got that it was supposed to be a joke. It was just incredibly stupid and banal
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I don't think you can. The "shell" in the summary is what we UNIX folks would call a "window manager". Not that you can't get a somewhat workable shell in windows, it just requires cygwin.
I would really be interested in hearing how Cygwin plays with KDE4.2. Popping open a konsole to a cygwin bash shell would be really nice.
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Damn, and that's just about the only reason I'd want KDE on windows.
Terminator [jessies.org] is actually a pretty good terminal emulator in combination with the Cygwin bash.
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Check out Puttycyg:
http://code.google.com/p/puttycyg/ [google.com]
Or Poderosa:
http://en.poderosa.org/ [poderosa.org]
Both allow you to open a Cygwin terminal session without the need to have a local SSH server running.
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Konsole is not yet ported. Which makes me very sad since I switched to Windows 7 until KDE 4 stops being the trainwreck that it is, but I miss having a terminal emulator that doesn't suck (aka Konsole). Putty is pretty awful in comparison.
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KDE 4.2.0 is out today, and isn't a trainwreck. There are a few annoyances left, but most of them should be gone by 4.2.2. But then again, 4.2.0 wouldn't be four-two-o if it wasn't a bit four twenty.
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Konsole is not yet ported. Which makes me very sad since I switched to Windows 7 until KDE 4 stops being the trainwreck that it is, but I miss having a terminal emulator that doesn't suck (aka Konsole). Putty is pretty awful in comparison.
Agreed on putty, but hey, Windows users (including the leet PowerShell users) are still using cmd.exe, the notepad of terminals, and think it's fine.
Depending on your needs, Cygwin might suit you. Say what you want about emulation, there's something invaluable about have
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:4, Informative)
meanwhile you can try console2, it supports tabbing and transparency http://sourceforge.net/projects/console/ [sourceforge.net]
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:4, Informative)
KDE 4.2 is no trainwreck. Here's my take [blogspot.com] on KDE 4.2. My personal verdict is that KDE 4 has surpassed KDE 3.5 for daily use and is ready for primetime.
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:4, Funny)
Konsole is not yet ported. Which makes me very sad since I switched to Windows 7 until KDE 4 stops being the trainwreck that it is, [ ... ]
This has to be one of the most bizarre comments I've ever read in here (and that's quite something).
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I use Linux daily and very heavily. I administer and use it on a 300-core compute cluster, I develop applications on it, I maintain packages for a Linux distribution. I guess I have a lot of use for the environment.
I also need my OS/DE/the whole stack to support my hardware well without spending days tweaking it and to provide me with a GUI that doesn't suck. It does so perfectly on the cluster/server, but is pathetic at it on my laptop (it's a Thinkpad, so the specs are pretty open and the drivers are almo
Re:Sounds Great! (Score:5, Interesting)
Really, no kidding! Try it.
MSYS (Score:2)
You might want to try MSYS [mingw.org]. It provides a shell, a handful of common Unix commands, and it translates path names so you can type "/c/Program Files/" instead of "C:\Program Files\". It allows me to cry a lot less when I have to use Windows.
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Who cares about KDE 4.2 on winblows!
I want to know if it is ready for Linux/BSD.
When it has features == to KDE 3.5.10 and is usable, then post some sensational headline to the effect.
Until then somebody needs to stay in the kitchen and keep cooking
All for a text editor (Score:5, Interesting)
I installed this in order to use kate on windows. What can I say: I've grown attached to the editor. But I found that it no longer feels so crisp and clean as on linux.
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Notepad++ [sourceforge.net].
The closest thing I've found in Linux is Geany, and it's a pale imitation. God, I wish I could get it to do highlighting on the corresponding open/close (x)html tag to the one the cursor is in--among other things.
I'm seriously considering running it in Wine; it's actually good enough to be worth that hassle. It's the only non-Adobe, non-game program that I miss from Windows.
Unless Kate has gotten better about resource usage and start time since I last used it, it's kind of a pig on any platform.
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I have to admit I do like Geany, but have you tried SciTE [scintilla.org] which shares the same engine as Notepad++? The only thing I can see straight away that it misses is macros.
Phillip.
Why? (Score:3, Interesting)
No, really, why? Windows already runs poorly with its default windowing interface. Why would I want to use up even more memory for a second windowing interface? No application is worth this layer of added complexity.
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kill explorer.exe?
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Without compositing, X can still look and feel slow (even if it's not). Those artifacts when you drag a window just scream "processor and/or video card is so overloaded it can't draw a proper 2d screen element", even if that's not the case.
May not be the parent poster's problem, but it's the first thing that comes to mind.
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You aren't using a second windowing interface at all. You just use the applications unless you choose to use Plasma.
I am running the same RC just fine on my Windows partition. The only application I really miss is KMail.
Re:Why? (Score:5, Informative)
I suspect the reason you might want to do this is so that you can use Linux tools on a Windows base platform. Kate, for example, is rather a nice editor (although I tend to use Notepad++ under Windows). Don't forget as well that KDE almost certainly has more development than the Windows desktop - although this can be a mixed blessing in my experience due to random breakage.
As others have suggested just kill explorer.exe to free your machine from the default Windows desktop.
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<rant>P.S. Not to mention that somebody at kde decided that konqueror should be a web browser and not a file manager. I'll never understand this... from my persp
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<rant>P.S. Not to mention that somebody at kde decided that konqueror should be a web browser and not a file manager. I'll never understand this... from my perspective they had some software that was a very mediocre web browser but what was in my opinion, the best file manager in existence and they threw out the file manager. For one thing, those two functions should never be in the same software, you can thank Microsoft and leveraging its monopoly for that particular monstrosity, but something is obviously wrong with the kde development process if they're making decisions like this. It's no wonder that kde4 turned out so badly.*grumble grumble*</rant>
konqueror is still a file manager, the only difference is that dolphin is the default one on kde4
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konqueror is still a file manager, the only difference is that dolphin is the default one on kde4
Konqueror seems to have lost about half of its functionality in KDE 4 as a file manager. Maybe it will return over time, but I really preferred using Konqueror under KDE 3.5 than Konqueror or Dolphin on KDE 4. I'm currently running the KDE 4.2 nightlies and while it's decent and usable, it's still lacking some of the things I liked about 3.5, like Konqueror having the built in FileSize view.
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There is no file manager functionality removed from Konqueror in KDE4 -- Konqueror is still a simple shell that can host most any KDE application - including the file manager. The default toolbars and buttons are more tweaked towards being a browser, and Dolphin is tweaked towards being a file manager. But you can still use Konqueror for your files, if you want to.
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As others have suggested just kill explorer.exe to free your machine from the default Windows desktop.
Not familiar with running KDE on Windows, but the "choice" of Windows shell is set in the registry (the default being "explorer.exe"). Killing off the process may work, but generally the approach used by the various shell-replacements (Litestep, etc.) is to reset the registry key instead. Explorer has a nasty tendency to restart itself for inexplicable, just as related programs/features have a tendency to
Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)
For example, to run KOffice on Windows. Or Amarok2.
Also, given that QT is soon going to be LGPL - I feel very interested in contributing to KDE and using parts of KDE in my proprietary programs.
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Most (if not all) KDE libs are LGPL, while most KDE apps are GPL. This has been the case for quite a while, possibly since the beginning.
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I didn't RTFA or tried it out. But does it replace the explorer.exe? If it does, may be it's could replace the one shipped in Vista.
The next step? EU might force the Redmond OS to allow selection of Windows manager at first boot.
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Haha! Awaiting an influx of Slashdotters actually agreeing with you... I'm sure they will also demand that Microsoft give you a choice between the Linux kernel and Vista's kernel.
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I do just that with Litestep - much lighter than Windows Shell (explorer) and much lighter than KDE I run explorer rarely when apps insist on it ......
But I am willing to bet that KDE has the same problems with programs assuming that you have explorer running and failing silently when you don't (those popup bubble messages are done by explorer, not by your app, not by the window manager, not by a notification app, but by explorer....)
When a GNOME developer says KDE rocks, I'm elated (Score:5, Interesting)
I am quite elated at the fact that this [livejournal.com] GNOME developer says KDE 4.2 rocks [livejournal.com]. Now, if the two teams could combine resources to churn out an awesome desktop environment (preferably KDE based), that would make the Linux ecosystem even more relevant in today's environment.
Re:When a GNOME developer says KDE rocks, I'm elat (Score:4, Informative)
They wouldn't, because GNOME and KDE have two different design philosophies. Anyway, this argument is kind of similar to the "why waste time making so many distros?" one you see a lot.
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The only design philosophy that should matter is pragmatism. The desktop environment that allows the user to take the best ideas, no matter where they come from, or what their philosophical base, and combine them easily to create a successful environment for the user's own work is what all of the projects should work towards.
And they are. Xfce for instance can integrate quite a bit of stuff originating from both KDE and Gnome. So parts are already fairly interchangeable between environments (at least if you
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If KDE 4.2 is already an awesome desktop environment, and you want an awesome desktop environment based on KDE, why are you advocating integrating Gnome?
If compatibility is your concern, than the FreeDesktop.org projects are already taking care of that, without having to consolidate DEs. If competing widget toolkits is your concern, well, to bad, that's not going to change anytime soon, and its not really a big problem anyway.
Gnome is already moving common components out of the Gnome libraries and into gtk
Re:When a GNOME developer says KDE rocks, I'm elat (Score:4, Informative)
I apologize ahead of time for my language but speaking as someone who doesn't run kde as their wm (e17 for me), all I have to say to this is:
FUCK NO!
From my perspective, if I want to run any application that has to do with kde, and there's a lot of great ones, I have to wait for all the damn dcopservers, kio_slaves, kdeinits, etc. to load and it's a royal pain in the ass. The kde environment is bloated and irritating for anyone who doesn't want to run the kde wm. The gtk and gnome apps have no such irritations. Think about what you're saying, you'd turn kde precisely into what we all hate about windows, a monopoly. A huge bloated mess where somebody up on high says, thou shalt do it this way and no other and the rest of us have to live with it. Frankly, I'm waiting with baited breath for more mainstream qt4 apps to come out that aren't tied to kde. VLC has already done that and it's such an improvement over the wxwidgets interface.
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Let me remind you that KDE is and will be Open Source! That means you are and will be in position to modify it to your heart's satisfaction. Now your problems with KDE can be solved.
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and what, exactly, are all of those bells and whistles necessary for? XDND, XDS, and pipelines already exist, so why the necessity for all of that other crap? I agree with grandparent. KDE is a bloated environment, which is why although there are nice KDE apps out there, I will never run them in my gnome or windowmaker environments. No thanks.
Re:When a GNOME developer says KDE rocks, I'm elat (Score:4, Interesting)
One hears this often here. Here's someone who decided to test this common Slashdot wisdom: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-memory.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07LinuxMemory [ibm.com]
Re:When a GNOME developer says KDE rocks, I'm elat (Score:5, Informative)
GNOME uses DBUS as well (and therefore dbus-server). KDE no longer uses DCOP but uses the same thing GNOME uses.
KIO Slaves are launched on demand as needed, not just because kdeinit loads up.
On the other hand there is usually at the very least a kbuildsycoca step involved when running your first KDE app in a session. I'm sure GNOME has something similar (gconf?) although it may be faster, no doubt.
Really a lot of the startup time concern in my experience has been related more towards C++ symbol bloating (which is significantly reduced nowadays between prelinking and symbol visibility support). The kdeinit you talk about was actually a hack designed to work around that problem, by turning KDE applications into shared libraries (that would startup up much faster as a result).
I will say that I also am cheering on the adoption of more plain Qt apps, for the same reason that I have quite a few GTK+ utilities but no GNOME ones. Less startup time is always a good thing. Unlike the grandparent though I'm not hoping that one DE ends up winning out, I'd actually prefer there be choice available (as long as it interoperates).
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Yes, I already have an idea for how this would work.
First, the computer "starts up" in some kind of new mode that only shows text. Once the new Windows user has entered single user mode and set a password for his account, he can then proceed to select the graphical environment and video driver supplier that he prefers.
This would probably be best accomplished by editing some sort of very simple text file, perhaps called wingui.conf or something. Some kind of easy to learn text editor would obviously have t
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You think that is funny, but back in the Windows 3.x days there was actually a thriving market for alternate Windows desktops. Norton desktop and Central Point desktop come to mind as several popular ones. OEMs regularly bundled alternate startup shells with tutorials and such, because they felt people might want this and in the end could make the OEM more money.
Then when Windows 95 came along Microsoft completely forbade OEMs from bundling alternative interfaces, or anything that displaced their "desktop".
All around win (Score:2)
So I can get the stability of windows with the a compatibility an open-source desktop... hey why don't I load it on expensive Apple hardware and go for an all around win!?
Honestly, it's a little difficult to see the point it seems like you'd getting the worst of two worlds with KDE on windows....
KDE on WINDOWS! (Score:5, Funny)
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The option for "wheels" disappeared - the bugfix was Triaged by adding cinder blocks.
Waste of time (Score:2)
Porting unix software to Windows instead of improving Cygwin to run these apps without porting is an awful waste of time. Improving a common support layer that supports Unix APIs instantly allows thousands of Unix apps to work, rather than trying to port thousands of Unix apps to Windows.
KDE4 is such a disaster on Linux I do not think that porting to Windows should be a higher priority. Fix all of the regressions and feature loss between KDE3 and KDE4. KDE 4 is an embarrassment and a piece of shit. Torvalds
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Portability was one of the goals of KDE4, and it is encouraging to see it works.
Now if only the other parts of it would stop sucking...
Today's Daily KDE4 WTF: My clock has two lines. The first line is the time, in military time -- 08:31. This works fine. The second line is the date: Tue, 27 Jan. It might be 27 January, but I can't tell, because the T and half the u in Tue, and most of the n in Jan, are cut off.
I realize it's meant to be scalable, but why is it scalable right off the edges of the widget? And
Re:Fixed it for you (Score:5, Informative)
Portability was one of the goals of KDE4, and it is encouraging to see it works.
Now if only the other parts of it would stop sucking...
Today's Daily KDE4 WTF: My clock has two lines. The first line is the time, in military time -- 08:31. This works fine. The second line is the date: Tue, 27 Jan. It might be 27 January, but I can't tell, because the T and half the u in Tue, and most of the n in Jan, are cut off.
I realize it's meant to be scalable, but why is it scalable right off the edges of the widget? And in a widget which is in the panel, by default?
Just one of many KDE4 WTFs which makes you wonder, "Forget QA, did anyone actually fucking boot it up to see if it was working?"
Please post a link to the bug report that you filed so that I can help triage it. Thanks.
Re:Fixed it for you (Score:5, Funny)
Please post a link to the bug report that you filed so that I can help triage it. Thanks.
No. If your desktop environment wasn't tested on HIS computer under HIS operating system with HIS libraries, you failed. I mean, you could've stopped by his apartment all last week! He was available then! You have no excuse for this complete laziness.
(laugh, it's funny!)
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Please post a link to the bug report that you filed so that I can help triage it. Thanks.
I suppose, being unemployed now, I have less of an excuse not to file bug reports.
But understand, so much was broken in 4.0 and 4.1 that reporting bugs could be a full-time job. I realize this might be unique to my hardware, or to my setup -- but it was one thing, after another, after another. It's not an exaggeration to say daily WTF, here. Today's WTF is, why can't kde3 apps connect to the kde4 kdewallet? Kubuntu seems to have "solved" this problem by castrating kdewallet support right out of kde3 apps --
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I can do this all day.
Please do. But not on slashdot. Do it here:
https://bugs.kde.org/wizard.cgi [kde.org]
Re:Fixed it for you (Score:4, Insightful)
Has it really not crossed your mind that perhaps your experience is unique? Maybe you have a bad font or font handling library somewhere that is incorrectly reporting size that is atypical.
Maybe some other obscure combination of things that a tiny few people have causes this, and everyone that has experienced it is just assuming _everybody_ does and that _clearly_ nobody is paying attention. Screw a bug report, obviously everyone can see this issue and it's just been ignored.
Get over yourself. The KDE devs are the most responsive people I've ever dealt with including companies that are paid 5 figures a month for enterprise class support, but they cannot respond if they are not notified. They do not have huge farms of systems sporting every possible combination of hardware and software. They rely on proper reporting and triaging.
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In my opinion (which is obviously biased) they should revert to the 3.x source tree as the current development strategy leads to madness.
Re:Fixed it for you (Score:4, Informative)
This may not be an obvious flaw. Text not fitting in a widget can happen if the user's font settings are outside the default range. So unless this is a case were the widget is in trouble on a virgin install - where there are no settings inherited from a prior KDE instance - or on a system were the user never altered any of the default settings - then how are the developers supposed to have seen the problem as "obvious"? What may be more obvious is that if you allow the user to tune his system some proportion of users will get theirs tuned so stuff like this appears.
Re:Fixed it for you (Score:5, Insightful)
Fallacy. If we had one look at the OP's desktop then we would have seen it. Unfortunately, the users who test KDE cannot possibly test every permutation of hardware that exists that supports KDE. It's simply impossible. However, I'm willing to bet that the machines they did test on did not exhibit this problem. Hence, they never knew a problem existed.
He asked only that the OP tell him where the bug report was, nothing else, and then he would help fix it. Instead, you criticized him, implying that all KDE developers should magically know about every bug before the users find it, regardless of the users' hardware.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a KDE zealot. Actually, I'm a much bigger fan of GNOME for completely separate reasons. However, going around arguing that KDE developers are a "cabal" and implying that they should have some superhuman (unpaid) testing team is ridiculous.
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There shouldn't be bug report for this category of obvious flaws. If you had one look on the desktop you would have seen it.
Fallacy. If we had one look at the OP's desktop then we would have seen it. Unfortunately, the users who test KDE cannot possibly test every permutation of hardware that exists that supports KDE. It's simply impossible. However, I'm willing to bet that the machines they did test on did not exhibit this problem. Hence, they never knew a problem existed.
So... the bug report will be marked "Cannot reproduce". Then a couple other suckers that were so annoyed by it that they took the time to create an account in the bug system will post "Still reproducible on 4.4", but it'll never get fixed. And even if it does get fixed, the bug report will never be changed from "Cannot reproduce" to "Fixed" since it's lost in the morass. The people who filed and posted 'me too' and the people that read the report and didn't register will all be even more pissed off.
Testi
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> So... the bug report will be marked "Cannot reproduce". Then a couple other suckers that were so annoyed by it that they took the time to create an account in the bug system will post "Still reproducible on 4.4", but it'll never get fixed. And even if it does get fixed, the bug report will never be changed from "Cannot reproduce" to "Fixed" since it's lost in the morass
I've filed a lot of bugs against KDE4. A *lot*. My experience is that (surprise, surprise, I guess), the KDE4 developers are like any o
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That sounds like EXACTLY what would happen if I reported a Windows bug to Microsoft. Actually, no, that's not true; instead, I'd spend three hours on the phone being bumped from incompetent tech support staff in India to incompetent tech support managers in India to incom
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There shouldn't be bug report for this category of obvious flaws. If you had one look on the desktop you would have seen it.
I'm looking at it right now and don't see it, my clock looks fine, so clearly it's not affecting everyone and it's not obvious just by looking at the desktop.
How would you expect a developer to fix a bug if he's never even seen it, and instead of trying to help you just insult them.
Re:Fixed it for you (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not a developer, and I'm running KDE 4.2 RC. I have a clock on my panel showing the date and time. I do not see this bug.
From How to report bugs effectively [greenend.org.uk]:
The whole thing is worth reading, really.
Now, go file a damn bug, with a screenshot, and help make KDE rock!
Clock bug appears to be fixed in 4.1.96 (ie RC1) (Score:3, Informative)
I had the same bug.
From my few brief experiences KDE developers _seem_ to have an attitude of "if it affects me I'll fix it" which is fine, they're mostly working for free. But that does kinda make me not bother reporting bugs + if I was reporting all my bugs/crashes I wouldn't have time to read Slashdot.*
The bug in question sounds like the effect I was getting which appears to have been fixed in 4.1.96 (RC1) but was present in 4.1.80.
KDE teams appear to have known about it:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi [kde.org]
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Re:Fixed it for you (Score:4, Interesting)
Today's Daily KDE4 WTF: My clock has two lines. The first line is the time, in military time -- 08:31. This works fine. The second line is the date: Tue, 27 Jan. It might be 27 January, but I can't tell, because the T and half the u in Tue, and most of the n in Jan, are cut off.
That's nothing. What will really make you scratch your head is when you try and fix it by changing the font, and only the time's font changes, not the date.
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Re:Fixed it for you (Score:4, Insightful)
Pretty much any software can be described as much-criticized, especially when it's popular and then undergoes a rewrite or significant changes. Hear the cries of "it doesn't do x, it used to do x like so" for [Gnome|KDE|MS Office|Vista|Python|Finder|fill in blank]. Regardless of whether many people are happy with the changes, you'll find a group that is very vocal in its discontent.
On the other hand, not all software can be described as popular, which KDE certainly is (in the OSS world).
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Re:Editors: Can we remove the first troll comment (Score:5, Informative)
If you find it offensive, then don't read it. I can tell you from experience that their have been far, far more offensive troll posts on Slashdot and that ALL of them have been modded to -1 in seconds. The system works, and I see no reason to change it in order to placate you or anyone else in the offense brigade.
You, and people like you, who think that material you personally object to should be destroyed or removed, are the single biggest problem in the western world today. Here we have a system that appropriately and expediently deals with troll posts, and yet you are still not happy. You want the material "purged". You find issue with its very existence, and moreover, insist that the rest of the world cater to your whims.
Do you know the difference between you and a fundamentalist mullah complaining about "immodest dress" or "images" for or of women? There is none. You're the same person, just with different hang ups. And the rest of us should not have to give up our freedoms to satisfy your scruples.
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I can tell you from experience that their have been far, far more offensive troll posts on Slashdot
Also, perverted. And just straight disturbing. It's part of what gives slashdot its charm. We're like a big family, and the GNAA etc. are the racist old granny you can't get to shut up.
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The post incites racial hatred. They would be arrested in any public place for saying such things, if they weren't beaten to death by the black community first.
This has got to be the dumbest fucking thing I've read on slashdot in a while (about 15 minutes...) Who is going to read that post, and think, "Holy cow! I've been wrong all this time, I really do hate black people!" The person and their ilk who cut and pasted that drivel did so to get a rise out of you and your ilk, and it worked, superbly.
Get a grip, you wiener.
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The post incites racial hatred. They would be arrested in any public place for saying such things...
Not in the U.S. it won't. Unless the speech incites to riot, is slanderous or poses a direct physical danger (i.e. -- shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, causing a stampede), it is perfectly legal in the U.S. in a public place. Actually, there would be more repercussion in private in the U.S., as speech like that will get you fired or evicted and banned from a private location rather quickly. The U.S. is
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Free speech does not mean you can say anything you want, anywhere you want.
What does it mean?
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Free speech does not mean you can say anything you want, anywhere you want.
Yes, it does.
Not being allowed to incite racial hatred in a public place is a restriction on free speech. So is not being allowed to shout "there's a bomb!" in a crowded train station. Many people find these restrictions desirable.
Maybe if /. provided a way of not listing AC posts? That would filter all of the troll rubbish in one go, is done by user, and everyone benefits. Those who don't mind leave it off and get more valued content from the ACs which post good material (those who had modded, for example). Those who object get their watered down content.
http://slashdot.org/my/comments#people_bonus_anonymous [slashdot.org]
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Mod his posting as Dung (Score:4, Insightful)
Slashdot is about freedom of speech, alternate points of view and exchange of ideas. Well, this pin-head got my dander up. His perspective is so backward and cretinous that he does not deserve to be modded as a Troll. Rather that going on about it at length, may I propose that slanderous items of this nature should have a further, lower category: Dung. If a posting gets modded Dung, it should not appear on any basic search - unless a user specifically requests to look at the Dung Heap.
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I heartily recommend "censuring [reference.com]" posts when appropriate. I think you're referring to "censoring" posts.
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Can we please remove the above post it is very lame and should not be on slashdot.
Re:What about my right to be offended ? Easy ... (Score:5, Informative)
Set your read level to -1. Others avoid any posts by ACs by reading only level one or higher. The option is yours, why hadn't you noticed? Are you predisposed to complain?
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Silence, you ninny!
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No you simply replace the explorer.exe with the main KDE app ....
I don't run explorer most of the time (I use Litestep) and Windows still works fine (well no worse than it ever did)
Windows has a mechanism to do this built in .... you can replace the desktop shell fairly easily ....
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Also:
* It's still really, really, really ugly (far too much unbroken grey, widgets have no contrast)
* The replacement for kcontrol makes it harder, not easier to find settings, since the sidebar has gone
* konsole is much slower - I like some of the new features, but maximising a konsole window or swapping tab
now takes about 1 second, compared to "near instant".
* It totally violates the Unix principle of lots of small programs, each doing 1 thing.