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UI Features That Didn't Make It Into Windows 7 342

TRNick writes "TechRadar talks to Windows 7's Senior User Experience Designer and discovers the interface ideas the Windows 7 team almost, but didn't put into Windows 7, and the stages various UI features went through to their final form. Quoting: '... The next prototype, in February 2007, was called the Bat Signal; when you moved your mouse over an icon in the taskbar, the full window would pop up on screen, highlighted by beams of light (a little like the Batman signal projected over Gotham City). Bat Signal made it easy to find the right window but it caused other problems: 'sometimes people toss the mouse down to the bottom of the screen when they're typing because they don't care where the mouse is and the Bat Signal pops up and that's really intrusive in their flow.' Bat Signal evolved into Aero Peek in Windows 7; you can hover over an icon to get thumbnails and hover over a thumbnail to get a preview of the window."
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UI Features That Didn't Make It Into Windows 7

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  • Sounds interesting. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by AltGrendel ( 175092 ) <ag-slashdot@eGAUSSxit0.us minus math_god> on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:02PM (#27313949) Homepage
    Anyone know of something similar for Linux?
    • by lordtoran ( 1063300 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:20PM (#27314269) Homepage

      KDE 4. This is where Microsoft apparently borrowed their ideas this time.

      • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:23PM (#27314347)
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      • by malevolentjelly ( 1057140 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @05:54PM (#27320929) Journal

        KDE 4. This is where Microsoft apparently borrowed their ideas this time.

        What from KDE 4 is in Windows 7? Seriously? The only UI concepts I see shared are ones that KDE 4 stole from Vista and Windows 7 inherited.

        Here are some subtle differences to help the mentally impaired:

        1) Windows 7 does not crash whenenver you look at it funny. Applications more often than not close cleanly when the user wants them to, instead of just randomly throwing a SIGSEGV.

        2) Windows 7 has latent functionality- meaning that you will find the UI interacting with applications in a contextual fashion, instead of just providing a taskbar interface that looks attractive, but actually is just a glorified launcher.

        3) Your systray is not full of graphically corrupted garbage in Windows 7.

        4) Your system will not randomly shoot to 100% cpu usage for mysterious causes in Windows 7 (but that doesn't mean applications won't do this).

        5) Windows 7 has a fully documented application development API- and it's actually complete! This means that Windows 7 provides features that aren't simply planned or imaginary. This should be a dead giveaway if you're used to KDE 4.

        I suppose when you see an Aston Martin driving down the street you're like "OMG THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE A FORD TAURUS". Well, you're right... they're both cars. Is this just because some braindead aussies thought KDE 4 was Windows 7 on the street. Well.. why not. It's got a start menu on the bottom with a button in the bottom left, icons on the desktop, looks pretty shiny and reflective. To the average user, it might as well be Windows... but you just wait until they try to get something done with KDE 4. If Microsoft tried to sell anything like that as a product, they would go out of business. It would make Vista look like a glorious success- for them to steal from KDE 4 would be like a bakery stealing cow shit from a nearby ranch to decorate their cakes.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by lordtoran ( 1063300 )

          There was a reason KDE 4.0.x and 4.1.x were explicitely not recommended for production use... the stuff you listed, some of which I never encountered at any time, has been sorted out in 4.2 which is the first version I consider as rock solid as 3.5.10 and use as my main desktop now.

          The aussie video was just an example I googled BTW. Put some screenshots side by side and you will see that the Windows 7 taskbar in its current state looks very KDE like, rather than Vista like. On the other hand, the KDE 4 pane

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by AvitarX ( 172628 )

      Yes,

      thumbnail previews.

      Hover over task to get preview.

      Click once to get a full size, fully interactive preview.

      Click again to hide it.

    • by David Gerard ( 12369 ) <slashdot&davidgerard,co,uk> on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:27PM (#27314413) Homepage

      KDE 4. Microsoft saw it was incredibly pretty and also didn't bloody work and thought, "I gotta get me some o' that!"

      • by lordtoran ( 1063300 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @01:35PM (#27315609) Homepage

        Well, some guys from ZDNet presented it as a Windows 7 beta [zdnet.com.au] and nobody noticed the difference.

        4.2 works fine for me BTW and I switched to it from 3.5.10 for everyday use, but the former releases indeed were quite unfinished.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by prozaker ( 1261190 )
          i saw that video, apparently much of the ppl they talked to barely knew what a computer was.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by rusl ( 1255318 )

      Yeah, Compiz "Window Preview" is probably what they copied, the Bat-Window probably is just a better story and makes it look like M$ doesn't take all their ideas from others.

  • by XPeter ( 1429763 ) * on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:02PM (#27313959) Homepage

    MS is making a comeback. Win 7 looks great and even as a chrome/ff user I have to say that I'm attracted to IE8.

    This is Slashdot, home of the penguin I know. But you have to give MS some credit. They're doing better.

    • Shame on you Firefox/Chrome user, XFCE [xfce.org] less is more .. :)
      • XFCE [] less is more

        Why do you run such bloatware when you can have RatPoison? ;-)

        • by rs232 ( 849320 )
          "Why do you run such bloatware when you can have RatPoison? ;-)"

          A couple of bash screens and some macros does for me...
          • by idontgno ( 624372 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:40PM (#27314643) Journal

            Bash screens. Macros. Feh.

            I wire 75 baud 20 ma current loop leads directly into the muscles of my left forearm. I use slightly rusty safety pins to pierce my "insulation". I key Baudot by flexing my left index finger and decode Baudot from the computer by feeling the twitches of my left pinky finger.

            Yes, half-duplex. It's a luxury, but you gotta treat yourself right sometimes.

            Oh, yeah, I use csh too. Because sometimes you gotta treat yourself badly to compensate for the luxuries of things like half-duplex.

    • It's like the Oracle/MS-SQL argument... for years MS-SQL has been "getting better" and "more enterprise". Why dick around with a tinkertoy DB when Oracle has done it all for years? Why reward a Johnny-come-lately?

      • by shutdown -p now ( 807394 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:45PM (#27314737) Journal

        It's like the Oracle/MS-SQL argument... for years MS-SQL has been "getting better" and "more enterprise". Why dick around with a tinkertoy DB when Oracle has done it all for years? Why reward a Johnny-come-lately?

        Why not, if it does anything that you need it to, for much cheaper? Or maybe because it has better integration with your platform of choice?

        Note that your argument can be equally applied to PostgreSQL or MySQL. And the answer will be the same there, too.

        • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

          > Why not, if it does anything that you need it to, for much cheaper?

          Except that statement isn't even true. It's just a perpetuation of FUD and urban mythology.

          Depending on your licensing requirements: Microsoft isn't necessarily cheap and Oracle isn't necessarily outrageous.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            Except that statement isn't even true. It's just a perpetuation of FUD and urban mythology.

            It's not. Notice that I didn't say that MSSQL is always cheaper than Oracle (I'm fully aware about free editions of Oracle, BTW). I merely pointed out that there may well be cases where you do get more bang for the buck for MSSQL. For .NET development, for example, MSSQL is a reasonable default choice because of its superb integration with the platform, and many Microsoft shops (particularly partners) get MS software heavily discounted. Then, of course, maybe the company already has SharePoint, which requir

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

      Vista has a beautiful UI, but that UI has nothing to do with my purchase. Same with IE8. I didn't switch to FireFox because it looked better. I use an OS for stability, compatibility, etc. I use a browser for security.

      I have yet to see an article headline like "Windows 7: Network and Sound performance problems resolved" or "Windows 7 beta crashes 1/10th as often as Vista" or "Windows 7 performs 47% better on mid-range hardware"

      When I see headlines like that, I will be interested. Until then, I run Wind

      • I use an OS for stability, compatibility, etc.

        Then there's no reason to avoid Vista. I've used it since release: the only time I've had issues with crashing was when the new WoW expansion came out, and it's been compatible with everything except KOTOR 2. I'd say that's pretty damn good.

      • by Stevecrox ( 962208 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @01:31PM (#27315557) Journal
        You realise that since XP Sp2 windows has been pretty much rock solid, the only time Vista has managed to crash on me was when I first installed it onto a machine with dodgey ram. Once readyboost filled that area of the ram up the machine would crash.

        I realise I'm just feeding a karma whore but considering every man and his dog has been raving about how much quicker Windows 7 and there are articles on how to get it working on an Asus EEE pc. You must have had your heard in the sand.
    • In the initial astroterf phase I had similar thoughts, but no, they really haven't gotten better.

      The only difference is that MS has become even more entrenched in nickle and diming the consumer and in making pro-DRM decisions with content provider's approval. Until or unless Ballmer and a sea of other managers leave MS, it is destined to be nothing more than a vague R&D patent holder that survives through litigation. Even then I have my doubts.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by owlnation ( 858981 )

      Win 7 looks great

      Looks great. So what? What productivity advantages does it give you over XP? In fact, for a business user, it's a new interface and that means a drop in productivity for most users -- at least in the short term.

      Now, in these times of recession, explain to me why I want to spend extra money on an operating system that will only cost me money in production loss.

      What is the point of Windows 7 exactly? Prettier, sure. Who cares. MS doing better? Probably. MS doing enough? MS doing a c

  • by Dr_Barnowl ( 709838 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:03PM (#27313979)

    It makes me nervous enough to have miniature popups of certain windows....

  • K.I.S.S (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pilgrim23 ( 716938 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:04PM (#27313989)
    For those of us not all that interested in gosh gee whiz features that require the next iteration of Moore's Law to support, why not a simple uncluttered GUI that operates the hardware and the network and GETS OUT OF THE WAY when you are working? Elegance through simplicity.... Bill is gone now Steve, you could risk excellence of design as a counterpoint
    • Re:K.I.S.S (Score:5, Interesting)

      by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:17PM (#27314239) Homepage

      I've read (though I don't know for sure and can't find backup at the moment) that Microsoft's GUI design is much more of a trial & error approach than Apple's. They throw stuff in, put it in front of users, ask users what they think, and study the users' reactions in a scientific sort of way. If it make test users' workflows more efficient by Microsoft's measures and causes positive reactions in test users, then the design is used. There exact process may be much more complicated than that, but from what I've heard, that's the general idea.

      I've read that Apple's process, on the other hand, has a little more emphasis on the opinions and views of GUI designers and experts, as well as the personal opinion of Steve Jobs. (again, supposedly)

      It wouldn't be clear to me at the outset which approach would give better results.

      • Re:K.I.S.S (Score:5, Insightful)

        by PPH ( 736903 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:30PM (#27314475)

        If it make test users' workflows more efficient by Microsoft's measures and causes positive reactions in test users, then the design is used.

        Except that they can only expect their test subjects to spend a limited amount of time with the product.

        Research has shown (don't ask me to cite, Google for it) that users start out with the GUI and all the little helpers turned on. As time goes by and they gain more experience, they turn off the animated paperclips, the help pop-ups and rely more on keyboard shortcuts. Autocad is an example of this (one I use occasionally). Inexperienced users (like me) tend to rely on the point and click interface. But the experienced users rarely touch the mouse, doing the bulk of their work with the CLI. This isn't something that would be revealed by a few days of testing. These changes occur with months (or years) of experience.

        • If it make test users' workflows more efficient by Microsoft's measures and causes positive reactions in test users, then the design is used.

          Except that they can only expect their test subjects to spend a limited amount of time with the product.

          Research has shown (don't ask me to cite, Google for it) that users start out with the GUI and all the little helpers turned on. As time goes by and they gain more experience, they turn off the animated paperclips, the help pop-ups and rely more on keyboard shortcuts. Autocad is an example of this (one I use occasionally). Inexperienced users (like me) tend to rely on the point and click interface. But the experienced users rarely touch the mouse, doing the bulk of their work with the CLI. This isn't something that would be revealed by a few days of testing. These changes occur with months (or years) of experience.

          It depends on the task being performed. Folks working with relatively advanced applications, like CAD, will learn the keyboard shortcuts.

          Your standard office worker, though, often does not know even the most basic keyboard shortcuts, like cut/copy/paste, even though these shortcuts are identical across all the applications they use daily.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          EXACTLY. Since Win 98, I always customized Explorer to show most of the extra buttons on the toolbar, changed the folder options to suit me, etc. In Vista these options are gone. You see, in designing the Vista UI they just used the old Explorer defaults and threw away all the extras, figuring that nobody used them anyway. In other words, they designed for the inexperienced users who hadn't been using it very long, not an experienced user that knew they could choose which view they preferred for that direct

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            by Anpheus ( 908711 )

            What a troll, you clearly didn't spend much time with Vista.

            Look to the left for file data? Now you look to the bottom. Or you use the details mode. There are so many ways of finding that information. Hundreds of MBs? DWM used around 30MB I found. Windows 7 uses around 23MB for the window manager. And while Vista on a low resource system was, admittedly, pretty bad. On a high resource system, it more intelligently used extra CPU cycles, extra RAM, and most computer's largely idle built in graphics to do use

      • From what I read Apple's approach historically relied on users but also the opinion of experts. In this blog [cognitivevent.com], Apple relied on learning how children interacted with their computers to help refined their UI:

        Apple worked with artists, psychologists, teachers, and users to craft revisions to their software and developer guidelines. For example, in California they sponsored an elementary school where every student had an Apple Computer. Each year the teachers and Apple programmers spent the summer planning new

    • Re:K.I.S.S (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MrMista_B ( 891430 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:19PM (#27314259)

      If you're trying to actually /sell/ an operating systerm to home users, the first thing people will look at, and the main thing they will use in judging whether or not it's worth buying, is the user interface.

      And if the user interface looks cheap and lazy, they're going to think, justified or not, that the entire operating system, therefore, was cheap and lazy. /That/ is why there are so many, as you put it, 'gee whiz' features in new versions - it's the only thing most people will ever see.

      • K.I.S.S. is not another way of saying "I am too lazy to implement that feature."

        There's a difference between implementing an OS well and cluttering it up with dohickeys and gadgets.

      • I always wondered how so many Sky/Solstices were sold. That seems to explain that phenomenon. Looks good, breaks easily, hard to use (have you ever messed with that top? It's a nightmare!)

      • by geobeck ( 924637 )

        /That/ is why there are so many, as you put it, 'gee whiz' features in new versions - it's the only thing most people will ever see.

        I'd say it's the difference between the initial "Wow, those new window borders look sooo kewl!" and "I wish those bloody window borders didn't take up half my screen." later on. The eye candy gets the box out the door and the cash in hand. After the novelty wears off, people want something that works.

        But when a company relies on selling a product rather than providing a servi

    • Re:K.I.S.S (Score:5, Insightful)

      by eebra82 ( 907996 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:20PM (#27314285) Homepage
      I used to think just like you do now. When XP was released, I forced the ugly Windows 2000 theme because I didn't want graphical interfaces left and right. Then I realized that it's not really cluttering anything, just that I am not used to the looks.

      I think that a modern operating system must look good and flashy, but more importantly, configurable. It should appeal as trendy and nice to those who don't care to look under the shell, yet configurable enough to appeal to geeks who want features on or off.

      Finally, I'd like to say that features like the bat signal should be included in Windows 7, but disabled by default.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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      • Re:K.I.S.S (Score:4, Insightful)

        by PitaBred ( 632671 ) <slashdot.pitabred@dyndns@org> on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @02:43PM (#27316663) Homepage
        Actually, it DOES clutter the interface. On smaller laptops the Luna theme uses up a couple more pixels in each direction on every window. When you've only got 800 vertical pixels, losing 2-4 of them to window themeing in every decorated window is a hell of a hit and displaces a lot of content. It's an entire line of text even if it's just a single window as compared to the Win2K-style decorations.
      • Re:K.I.S.S (Score:4, Informative)

        by CodeBuster ( 516420 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @02:47PM (#27316717)

        Then I realized that it's not really cluttering anything, just that I am not used to the looks.

        IMHO, it was never so much a problem of "clutter" with the Windows XP "Luna" aka Fischer Price interface so much as it was inefficient use of space. The buttons, borders, title bars, etc...were all just a tad bigger than they really needed to be. While there may be some users who enjoy the "big buttons" look I and many other users were never really fans. Microsoft would do well to learn a bit more about their different classes of user (and there were more than just "classic" OR "luna" users with XP) and offer some more logical choices for different user interface designs. Personally, I use the Stardock WindowBlinds software (which plugs into the theme APIs provided in Windows XP and above) with the "soft crystal" theme (a modified copy of a KDE style interface) as my UI of choice because it is space efficient, unobtrusive, and substantially less 90s than "windows classic".

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) *

        No a modern OS shouldn't look flashy or at least in my case, it should have an OPTION to make it look basic and crappy like XP classic, 2000, 98SE

        I still run Windows classic UI on Vista, Windows 7 and XP to this day, not because I don't like the other look but because this is the neatest, fastest way of getting things done.
        I realise this place is a linux shop but we do have Windows users like myself here and I can tell you, we DO a lot of RDP in Windows and RDP is rubbish with all the fluff turned on.

        If I'm

    • Nobody is interested in nifty guis, or transparency, etc.

      If you want to have the graphic goodies that actually suit your personality, you probably need Linux.. otherwise you're going to get what the majority wants (or is led to believe they want(or apple put in their previous release))

    • For those of us not all that interested in gosh gee whiz features ...

      Agreed, but I'm still scratching my head after all these years wondering why so much emphasis is still being placed on the taskbar when virtual desktops offer a better solution.

      The idea of relying the taskbar in the Windows world to switch between applications (typically full screen) may have been appropriate in the day of tiny CRT monitors, and may still be appropriate for those with trivial needs, but I'd prefer to see everyone move on.

      S

    • Win7 still has the good old Classic theme. And PowerShell 2.0 out of the box. What more do you need?

  • by Saint Stephen ( 19450 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:11PM (#27314117) Homepage Journal

    when I worked at MS, I used to always install the IDS and IDW builds. Not the dailies - they never worked. But I got really tired of learning about possible features that would never really exist, and now from the outside world I'm tired of learning about betas, because it's never exactly like the shipping product. Who cares? I'll just learn about it when it's done.

    It does me zero good to know about things that I'm not going to create myself. If MS will implement it in five years, I'll learn about it in five years.

    • by Locutus ( 9039 )

      give this one its own thread!

      It's 2009 and yet the trend of hyping Microsoft Windows betas goes back to 1994, the Chicago years. And so does the 'it doesn't look like the beta' look of the final product.

      Is this one of those "Entertainment Tonight" things where worthless crap is pushed to mindless idiots and they keep sucking it up? If so, an improved education system will really mess up the Microsoft hype machine and/or the press.

      LoB

    • If MS will implement it in five years, I'll learn about it in five years.

      Well, you have the right attitude to work for them and use their software. The perfect user. Accept their pace...accept that they know best.

    • by geobeck ( 924637 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @01:22PM (#27315425) Homepage

      ...I'm tired of learning about betas, because it's never exactly like the shipping product.

      Unless you're Google. Then the beta is the shipping product. ;)

  • Where hovering over a tab gives a tab preview.

  • "Bat Signal evolved into Aero Peek in Windows 7; you can hover over an icon to get thumbnails and hover over a thumbnail to get a preview of the window"

    How about ALT+TAB that pops up a viewable preview window, with a translucent thumbnail selector in the middle? Less is more ...
    • Its still there, along with the window_key-tab, which looks prettier... (kinda like coverflow in iTunes)

      • by rs232 ( 849320 )
        "Its still there, along with the window_key-tab, which looks prettier..." Whatever, I also don't want 'things' popping up telling me what the computer is doing. I know what it's doing as I just instructed it.
  • The etch-a-sketch [today.com].

    Also, you know how the beta background is the beams of light shining down? About two screens above that is Steve Ballmer's ass.

  • The recycle bin was changed to a chair icon, and whenever users would hover their mouse over it furniture would start flying around the room at random and howler monkey screams would emit from the computer speakers. This caused way too many worker's comp complaints, not to mention growing hostility in the work place.
    • by Locutus ( 9039 )

      pay no attention to that drone, I thought it was funny. I'd also heard the Recycle Bin mouse-over caused the cursor icon to change to a chair and it would then wildly swing around the desktop and bat desktop icons around the screen. Anything flying over the Recycle Bin would get smashed/deleted. It was also considered a new 'Sort Icons' menu option.

      LoB

  • by starglider29a ( 719559 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:32PM (#27314513)
    There are 3 groups of reasons to "improve" a user interface:
    1. Enable more tasks to be multitasked
    2. Increase usability/productivity on existing tasks
    3. Look cool/whizbang/just because we can

    Ignoring number #3 and assuming that "productivity" is a goal of the user, here is my assertion:
    "It is amazing how much more productivity you have with multiple computers with multiple screens."

    So much of the UI is spent on "switching" apps or discerning between windows/tabs of the same app. Think Office/Email/PhotoWhatever/MSVC. Behind all that is your websurf, Facebook, chat, tunez, Skype, FTP, Remote Sessions, site monitoring, Limewire ;-) And because speed is a critical part of UI, having to swap out memory slows it all down. Chances are, there is ONE APP that dominates your workflow, whether it WordProc, Spreadsheet, Coding Environment, Graphics/Flash. Whatever that is SHOULD dominate your 24" monitor. All the other stuff (the web page yer copying text from, the Email your reading for specs, etc) are in the background, BEHIND the window that's doing the work. What if it were off to the side? And what if your chat and stuff were on the computer beside you. Why buy Moore's Law next machine, when the 1.8GHz, 1GB can run your side-surfing, and it only takes a glance, not an Alt-Tab? And chances are, you have older machines and CRT monitors. Oh, but they use energy? And shipping them to the Third World doesn't?

    I like UI. UI is everything, but... But I like ignoring it while I work. Most UI improvements aren't.

  • FSOD (Score:2, Funny)

    by bugeaterr ( 836984 )

    The new Fuschia Screen Of Death was left out after they determined that it would *not* require users purchase new FSOD-Ready video cards and monitors.

  • Why couldn't the bat signal be a user pref?

    Isn't giving options and remembering things what computers are supposed to be good at?

  • by Lord Grey ( 463613 ) * on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @12:56PM (#27314961)
    "... sometimes people toss the mouse down to the bottom of the screen when they're typing because they don't care where the mouse is ..."

    Many years ago -- about 25 years, maybe a bit more -- others realized the exact same thing: Users don't want to see the mouse while they're typing. The solution at the time was to simply hide the mouse pointer at the first touch of a printable key. Amazing!

    One of the little reasons I like my Mac.
  • by pizzach ( 1011925 ) <pizzach@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @01:01PM (#27315083) Homepage

    Particularly the auto play of music files when hovered. If you are prepared for it, it's okay. But I usually don't have icons shown on my desktop and that particular day I decided to clean up my download folder of mp3s by moving them all to the desktop. (mv ~/Downloads/*.mp3 ~/Desktop
    ) Because of some gconf problems I tried resetting my whole gconf folder so my desktop was back.

    AGH! The agony! My computer keeps randomly playing mp3s when I didn't want it too! For the whole day I would wonder for about 5 seconds where a sound was coming from until I realized it was music.

  • by Iyonesco ( 1482555 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @01:03PM (#27315129)

    Whoever is designing the interfaces at Microsoft seems to be living in a fantasy world where functionality is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is "wow".

    Things have been going rapidly down hill since around 2005 when they reversed the order tabs appeared in Visual Studio. The new arrangement meant that tabs appeared on the left and pushed all the other tabs along so the position of your files was constantly changing making it hard to keep track of where they are. Microsoft could simply provide the option to revert to the sensible behaviour used by every other application where new tabs appear on the right but despite the public outcry they refuse to do this. So much for their claims of "Work your way".

    Next came Internet Explorer 7 where they ditched the traditional tool bar and spread the buttons to the four corners of the earth so nobody can ever find the button they one. I don't think there's a single person who likes this arrangement but once again Microsoft refuse to include any customisation to the intereface so you can "Work your way" just as long as "your way" is the way Microsoft tells you to work.

    Then there was Windows Vista which adopted the attitude of "why do in 5 clicks what you can do in 20". Everything now takes more clicks to do so productivity is reduced. For example in XP you could change your resolution, theme, wall paper, screen saver and power saving options all from the Display Properties dialog but in Vista they were spread to multiple different places, making it harder to get things done. The functionality and consistency of interface provided by menus was abandoned and now every window has a different interface with stupid pictures and lots of "wow". The new start menu is worthless and abandons the tree structure to replace it with a list of applications you have to scroll through slowly, further reducing the productivity of Vista users.

    Then there was Office 2007 which also ditched the consistent menu style interface and switched to ribbons. It makes it impossible to find the options you're looking for and someone who had the misfortune of getting Office 2007 with a PC once said to me "I've just spent 20 minutes looking for one options in the ribbons".

    Windows 7 takes Vista and makes things even worse. The combined quick launch bar & task bar makes it hard to see if an application is running or not and impossible to see how many instances of the application are running. The fantastic Windows Classic theme has been removed completely and now you're forced to use wasteful themese where all windows have thick borders and fat title bars. Consistency has been further abandoned and things like the theme selection dialog box has been replaced by something entirely customised which users have to learn to use. Ribbons have been added to other applications like Paint and the whole thing seems to have been designed to be has hard to use as possible.

    Other application interfaces have been destroyed, for example Windows Media Player with it's 1 pixel thick jog bar, lack of menus and ridiculous button arrangement.

    The one thing Microsoft used to do right was user interfaces but they've now abandoned everything that makes a good interface. Things such as consistency, clarity and efficency have gone and instead all we have is "wow". I used to use all Microsoft applications but by destroying their interfaces across the board I've been abandoning them one at a time. After trying the Windows 7 beta I've been forced to switch to Linux.

    I must admit I'm having a hard time with Linux and there's a lot to learn for a 30 year old who has been raised on Microsoft products. However, it's definitely worth the effort since Linux really does let me "Work your way" while Microsoft just makes that claim and in reality you have to work the way Microsoft tell you.

    I always wondered what would bring an end to the Microsoft monopoly and it turns out it's Microsoft themselves. They seem intent on making their own products such a nightmare to use that people are forced to go elsewhere and I'm more than happy to oblige them.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      I'm going to hold out till we get the official release version, but I'm right there with you. I HATE wasted screen real estate and gimmicky gadgets.

      I can "de-vista" Vista in about 5 minutes ... completely turn off Aero, remove the gadget bar thing, turn on classic menus and interfaces, turn off the UAC, reduce the size of icons on the desktop, and a few other things. It turns out not to be all that bad to use then, but at this point, it is indeed looking like Windows 7 will not be giving us those options.

      I'

    • by Simulant ( 528590 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @04:01PM (#27318365) Journal

      Things such as consistency, clarity and efficency have gone and instead all we have is "wow"

      Hear,hear. It's shocking how inconsistent Vista/Win7/Office2008 is. Just try to find "Options" in IE, Explorer, Windows Mail, and Word08. It's completely random. Don't even get me started on the Control Panel.

      I wish they would focus more on usability for everyone, and not just the lowest common denominator.

      I'd like to see a consistent level of detail implemented across all of the tasks that an OS is really supposed to be good at, like moving data around.

      For example, You drag and drop a file to a different location and the file copy dialog box appears. This first dialog box can remain unchanged from XP except for the addition of a 'More' or 'Details' button. Click on that button and now you have detailed stats like, copy speed, # of files to be copied, # of files left, etc.... And then there's one more 'More' button. Click on that and now you see the entire queue which you can manipulate live (remove files, add files, etc...)

      This would give 2 or 3 classes of users a much better experience. Grandma never has to click more and things work more or less as expected. Someone who wants a little more depth, might click more once to see detailed stats, and more hard core users could click yet again to manipulate the copy queue as the copy is in progress.

      This is the kind of functionality I wanted added to Windows. Improvements to core capabilities and windows into what is really going on which can be opened as needed. MS has a tendency to hide how a computer actually works from the user. They are doing them a disservice, IMO.

      There are 1000s of cool utilities that add truly useful core functionality to Windows. If MS just bought the best and figured out a way to integrate them in a consistent manner, they'd have a much better product (and probably for a much lower cost), than Vista/Win7.

      I like a pretty UI as much as the next person but if what's under the hood is invisible and doesn't perform, then what's the point. And half-assed utilities like Notepad, Windows Mail (in win7 beta anyway), wordpad, Paint, and Hyperterminal (thank god that's gone) are just a waste of space. How hard is it to include useful text editor for goodness sake? I think MS at least owes me that.

    • by jaavaaguru ( 261551 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @04:31PM (#27319109) Homepage

      I totally agree. I'm not sure if it's still there, but they used to have a document on MSDN that discussed how to implement consistent user interfaces for Windows apps. They seem to be completely ignoring this themselves.

      I've not used Windows at home now for about 10 years. Linux UIs may not have looked pretty back then, but at least they were consistent if you stuck with apps designed for your chosen desktop environment.

      I've found OS X apps to have a consistency level somewhere in between.

  • Aero Peek isn't totally new. Vista has had Aero Peek all along. The difference is that in Vista's Aero Peek, you weren't able to see ALL the peek preview windows by hovering over the taskbar stack. You had to open the taskbar stack's context window that showed all the different items, then you could peek at each item.

    Oh wait, I forgot. Vista doesn't exist. Sorry about that. I must be new here.

  • Virtual Desktops? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @01:13PM (#27315293) Journal

    Are virtual desktops going to be in Windows 7? I haven't tried the beta, and all I get with google is some stuff about RDP. Any desktop without virtual desktops is pretty much unusable for anything non-trivial. What is taking them so long? UNIX has had them since the early 90s.

    • Any desktop without virtual desktops is pretty much unusable for anything non-trivial.

      You really exaggerate "unusable", "non-trivial", or both. People doing non-trivial work get by just fine without virtual desktops all the time.

      • by Hatta ( 162192 )

        I don't know how they do it. Seriously. I end up spending way too much time moving windows around if I don't have virtual desktops. If I'm trying to multitask it's much, much worse.

  • by DrVomact ( 726065 ) on Tuesday March 24, 2009 @01:26PM (#27315487) Journal

    Once more, MS wants to sell an operating system on the merits of its GUI. Once more, they have completely missed the point. They have failed to address the number one issue that faces all classes of PC users: the lamentable lack of security that is characteristic of all Microsoft operating systems. Please note that this is not an "MS is trash Unix is cool" rant; I think the only reason there aren't more hijacked Unix boxes is that they're a small target, and the people who own them catch on too fast.

    I'm particularly hot on this topic because I just blew my last three weekends salvaging two Windows XP boxes that were riddled by multiple trojans, virii, and just plain annoying trash. (They belong to two family members who shall remain unnamed—but I'm married to one of them, and cutting off her internet access could be deleterious to the climate around the ol' homestead.)

    Now, I understand that no one can make an OS completely secure, except perhaps by removing all networking features. However, it should not be so easy to infect a PC, and it most certainly should be possible to recover from a malware infection without going through the pain I experienced.

    Yes, I had backups—full image backups of the C drives (I use Acronis, and it's very good at what it does). The question was how far back I had to go to find a clean image. And how can I be sure it's clean, when the virus scans themselves couldn't detect all the contamination? For example, one machine was pronounced "clean"—but every time I rebooted it, several Internet Explorer processes not associated with any GUI windows would spawn and start sending packets to all sorts of interesting places. (I think I figured that one out—the malefactor was hiding in the OS System Restore file.)

    What do I think MS could do about this? Well, for one thing they could provide an actually useful system recovery capability. I do not consider the "Fix your Windows installation (y/n)? that comes with the installation disk remotely useful. A truly useful recovery capability would reside on bootable media provided along with the OS that does things like:

    • Run an integrity check on every OS process image on the hard drive to verify that it's not contaminated. (Yes, the recovery system would have to determine what the patch level of the machine is, but given that information, it should be possible to run checksum verification of every system file. The same could be done for every third-party .dll and executable (I'm sure most legitimate vendors would give MS the requisite information to keep in their database.)
    • Check all the holes, like System Restore, that malware can hide in, and kill it.
    • Let me run an antivirus scan (either MS's or an AV program of my choice, and support that AV program by helping it eradicate all traces of any found malware (like registry entries).
    • Repair the damage done by the malware by replacing damaged system processes with good ones; repair damage to the disk's boot record
    • Let me start the on-disk OS in a sandbox, and give me diagnostic tools to determine if anything's misbehaving (like making changes to the registry that aren't kosher).
    • I'm sure you can think of lots more (and probably better) items to go on this list.

    Until MS "hardens" their OS and provides tools that do what I've described, I see no point in buying any further MS operating systems. One is just as bad as the other.

    I don't think it's going to happen, though. You see, building a hardened OS would not be in Microsoft's interests. I talked to the guy who takes care of my swimming pool the other day, and mentioned my malware hassles. He furrowed his brow and said that maybe he had had some viruses too; his computer was running really slow and would reboot a lot. I asked him how he fixed the problem. "I bought a new computer" was his answer. When he said that, it hit me—just how many people decide to buy a new computer for precisely th

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