KDE 4.2.4 Released 153
An anonymous reader writes "KDE 4.2.4 has been released. See the release announcement for details." Barring a "security issue or another grave bug," this is the end of the KDE 4.2 line, which means for distros based on long-term support, it might be the thing to get used to for a while.
BSD? (Score:3, Funny)
I didn't know KDE was a BSD project now.
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KDE is a powerful Open Source graphical desktop environment for Unix and Unix-like workstations.
http://freebsd.kde.org/ [kde.org]
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lol, I wasn't questioning whether KDE could *run* on *BSD! I was referring to putting this story in the BSD category on Slashdot.
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Re:BSD? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is Slashdot. Always go with the default reason. The editors fucked up. It explains almost everything.
Dupes. The editors fucked up.
Miscategorized. The editors fucked up.
Everything that says "iPhone" promoted to front page. The editors fucked up.
Cowboy Neal. The editors fucked up.
See?
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Well, the users fucked up and the editors fucked up by not catching it.
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Slashdot does not render in Konqueror: The editors fucked up.
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I'm not joking. It's been at least three weeks now without Slashdot rendering in Konqueror.
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So if any of the DEs were to be labeled as BSD, I'd say it's KDE.
Just sayin', there's a fun history here, and thinking of KDE as a GNU project is a funny thought.
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That was true almost 8 years ago.
Not anymore.
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Well that really makes no sense. Countless other software is also widely used on BSDs... I don't see any reason to tie the two together.
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1) There's no intrinsic tie between KDE and linux either, so if you want to tag the story with a penguin then you may as well add a daemon as well.
2) KDE is the desktop of choice for both Desktop BSD and PC BSD, as far as I know these are the only 2 desktop oriented BSD distributions out there, so actually BSD is linked in more to KDE than GNOME.
3) KDE in theory (and practice) ports to other platforms as well: WIndows/OS X/Other unix, but in practice, I don't think you see anything like the
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Point 2 could be considered debatable, as Darwin (the Unix core of Mac OS X) is considered a BSD-derivative. The mascot for Darwin even reflects this as a platypus wearing a devil hat and wielding a trident. So Darwin is technically the third desktop-oriented BSD distro.
This doesn't lessen your argument, though. It's just a footnote you should be aware of, since Darwin is rarely seen without the Aqua desktop environment and is well hidden from the average user.
Oh, and yes, I personally have tried out KDE on
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Why is this marked as troll, its a true statement with no malice intended as I can see it. His statement is 100% factually correct, even though I believe he is incorrect in that being the reason why its filed under BSD. Its just what happens when timmy blindly clicks the promote to front page button IMO, but this guy isn't exactly trolling or even trying in the least.
Remember kiddies, Troll is not an alias to 'disagree' or 'wrong' no matter how much you think it is.
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I assume that he pissed someone off that has mod points.
Any statement he makes is being marked as troll
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But funny
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a) You might not agree with the reasoning in b), but I'm probably not going to spend any more time responding ;)
b) Slashdot has sectional stories for stories we'd like to post but (as with this, a point-release of software other than, say, the Linux kernel), and there's a slightly messy overlap between sections, topics and tags, in that a given story can be assigned to multiple sections, tagged with various terms including ones that are covered by topics or section names, and labeled with any of the 100+ to
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What's that symbol next to your name? I can recall seeing that before.
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It means that he's a Slashdot admin or employee or something of that nature. Note the text at the top of the page:
Posted by timothy on Wednesday June 03, @01:43PM
from the smoothing-a-smoothie dept.
CmdrTaco and all the rest have it too.
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Regardless of what section it is filed under, it's also worth noting that KDE 4.x runs on Windows too. I'm not quite ready to suggest replacing WIndows Explorer entirely, but the apps and even the desktop work pretty well. That said, I would never have heard of KDE without trying Linux...
KDE 4 looks promising (Score:4, Interesting)
My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth, but the newer ones don't work at all, unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that'd be sweet.
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What exactly do you miss in KDE 4.2? My only problem is the poor Bluetooth support (lack of file browsing on my phone, mainly).
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A working network manager would be lovely.
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It's there. Knetworkmanager was replaced by the network manager plasmoid.
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Knetworkmanager, in Intrepid, was KDE3-based, and for some reason, KDE3 apps can't talk to a KDE4 kwallet. Ubuntu solved this by having them not even try, meaning it forgot all my saved passwords, and saved any new ones in the clear.
The network manager plasmoid looks potentially awesome, except:
- Add two of them, and you get two notifications for network events. WTF?
- The fonts don't fit. At all. This is a common KDE4 problem for me -- it's always fucking up and chopping off part of a chunk
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Yeah, in Kubuntu, it fails on my home WPA network.
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(Working great for me on kde 4.2...)
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https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty [kubuntu.org]
I haven't tried it, though.
I was VERY frustrated with KDE 4.0 and KDE 4.1, and I was very much in need for a kubuntu KDE3 backport, especially as my new Dell E6400 needed a kernel > 2.6.26 to have all the hardware supported, so going with kubuntu 8.04 (the last with an official KDE3 support) was not an option for me. However, I am now a very happy KDE4 user. For my needs, it has already surpassed KDE 3 in terms of f
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This looks like it has what you are looking for. There are even instructions on how to upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 and keep KDE 3.
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Essentially, it shows progress on all itches I had with 4.2 -- the weather applet, kdelirc being ported, the CPU/mem/swap applet being readded. Now only the device notifier needs to be revamped, and konqi should learn that double click means to mark words and not some random part of the line... (Yes, there are some crashes. Sometimes. So? At least it provides the functionality
Re:KDE 4 looks promising (Score:4, Informative)
KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable. It's what 4 (in general) should ahve been from the start. Don't even bother looking at 4.1 or 4.0, and if you do, don't expect 4.2 to be the same. It's not. The older ones are broken, yes, but don't assume taht means that 4.x is *ALL* broken.
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It's what 4 (in general) should ahve been from the start.
That's what people said about 4.1.
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KDE GOT IT RIGHT (Score:4, Insightful)
I think KDE nailed it with their 4.0 release, but let's explore the other options:
Chaning the major version number at the same time as the major change in architecture was absolutely the sensible and mature thing to do, it was never going to stay 4.0 long anyway (see above again again). So it was buggy as hell but you still had the choice of using 3.x stable, it still had "new development architecture it's buggy as hell" plastered all over it, it's not like civilization started to crumble because some "point zero" piece of software somewhere wasnt perfect. People need to chill out, man.
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See, "ready for users" is undefined.
I would define it pretty clearly:
If it worked in KDE3, it must work in KDE4. It must either be obvious how to do this, or it must be in a FAQ somewhere.
better than 3.5 in some aspects, and worse in others.
Like having no bluetooth. The ways in which it was better are irrelevant when you're missing basic functionality like my fucking mouse.
4.2 was pretty much on par, with some things much better, and some missing pieces
Missing pieces like WPA support.
The things that are much better are, honestly, things I can live without. They're cool, they make me more productive, but I can live without them.
I cannot live without such obscure things as wo
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This is idiotic: it is different code. Eventually, if a given feature is needed, it'll be "back", in the sense that it will have been added again, with the experience and knowledge of the previous system.
However, many basic features were not "back" on release. That is broken.
I realize it's a full rewrite, but you don't want to make people miss the old system. There are very, very few things OS 9 did that OS X cannot, for example.
See, this has nothing to do with KDE. This is a low(er)-level hardware issue,
Actually, no, it was a temporary (if you call two months "temporary") compatibility issue between KDE4's bluetooth interface and the bluez system on Linux. But yeah, probably a distro issue.
Kubuntu was always broken, not due to lack of dedication, but from lack of manpower.
Lack of manpower really isn't an excuse for this kind of stuff. I can understand some minor k
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Have you actually used os/x for more than 10 minutes?
Promising? Yes. Usable? not really (Score:3, Interesting)
KDE 4.2 is perfectly usable.
You seem to have a different definition of usable than I do.
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1. Works for me. Something broken in your setup. did you report the bug?
2. same.
3. Could not try -- but might be linked...
4. same as 1-2
5. Yeah, people complain a lot about the NM applet. this thing is obviously not finished.
6. Really? Always found it to work fine. You are aware there are 2 clipboards?
I did not know GNOME used kioslaves...
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Hmm, interesting. I can't say I've tested all of those, but...
Ftp works fine for me. For sftp I either use the console or use fish:, which also works.
Didn't try editing over a standard ftp, but fish works.
Don't use Samba, sorry. Even my Windows boxes have NFS (it's an optional feature built into in the higher Windows editions, believe it or not).
Fish works for me.
None of my networks use EAP. WPA-PSK works fantastically, much better than in 3.5.x.
I just turn off the Klipper applet and use it like copy-paste
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No kprinter, does not see my shared cups printer (previous version worked ok), dolphin instead of konqueror, middle click is broken in konqueror when browsing files (used to open in a standlane application), no kasbar, start menu does not add newly installed programs without restart.
This is on a system that I only use occasionally.
Good work, but it is not 3.5 yet.
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Also, unlike 3.5.x, there is no sync in PIM. So it's a few features that are missing in 4.2.x. And there is no list of them somewhere, so you'll discover them after you've switched.
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Hmm... my only printer is local, but it was found easily.
Dolphin is not my preferred application. Two recommended options: either change the default file browsing application in the KDE configuration, or just put a link to Konqueror (in Filemanager mode) on your desktop or pinned to the K menu or similar.
Middle-click opens links in a new tab for me, the way it has done for years. I'm pretty sure this is optional. What I really like is that I can now tell Konqueror to *close* a tab when I middle-click on it
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Hmm... my only printer is local, but it was found easily.
Cups has the ability to identify remote printers by network broadcasts and make them available automatically when you connect to the network. This is very convenient and is the preferred way to configure remote printers. For some reason this does not work properly.
Dolphin is not my preferred application. Two recommended options: either change the default file browsing application in the KDE configuration, or just put a link to Konqueror (in Filem
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My Kubuntu 8.04 is getting kinda long in the tooth, but the newer ones don't work at all, unless someone knows of a KDE 3.59 or 3.60 backport -- that'd be sweet.
I can't claim that KDE 4.2 actually works, but I do know that Kubuntu is an atrocious implementation of KDE. I've been considering giving another distro a chance to try out KDE4, maybe SUSE or Mandriva.
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I can't claim that KDE 4.2 actually works, but I do know that Kubuntu is an atrocious implementation of KDE. I've been considering giving another distro a chance to try out KDE4, maybe SUSE or Mandriva. quote. Good point. I understand the Gentoo devs are rumored to be planning release a 4.2 overlay in early 2011.
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Unfortunately, thanks to how much ATI graphics drivers suck, I'm on Kubuntu right now, and 9.04 seems to actually be fairly good.
I must say, I really like the "screen-profiles" package they shipped (of course this wasn't kde specific), on the other hand, memory usage is through the roof, like 2500 M with firefox (4 tabs) + kmail + Amarok + Whatever aut
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For XFCE-centric distros, Xubuntu is quite nice and well-integrated. I used to run it on my Eee 701 and it did pretty well with the Eee kernel repository I found through Eeeuser.com.
But I have to say that compared to the Arch Linux I put on it last week, Xubuntu is really rather slow in comparison. Arch has an Eee kernel repository, too, but even without it most things work pretty much out of the box on Arch.
How about KDE 4.3? (Score:2, Interesting)
Are you expecting KDE 4.3 to be so buggy that it is going to be uninteresting for long term support projects? In the past, there were huge leaps of progress from KDE 4.0 to KDE 4.1 to KDE 4.2!
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I think the "get used to it" is referring any LTS releases between now and whenever 4.3 is released, as IIRC, the next release of Ubuntu in October will be an LTS.
I'll switch to KDE 4.x when Debian stable has it. (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, I know I can use the backport [debian.net], but forget it, last time I messed with KDE 4 (on Kubuntu) I found it was still lacking in a lot of really cool utilities KDE 3.x had and I'm just to lazy to recompile all the 3.x versions onto 4 myself. I guess I really have lost some drive as I've gotten older, I'll let someone else do it for me, and when they do I'll use it, and until the 3.5x is good enough.
BTW - kaudiocreator was near the top of that list, that was a stupid easy and useful program. Yes, I can do it other ways, and did for a while, but I kind of liked that one. Oddly, the change in interface was fine, I liked it, KDE4.x and I can get along fine, as soon as the utilities catch up.
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By 4.2, nearly all KDE utilities and applications have been ported, and as of 4.2.3 nearly all the noticeable bugs were worked out (it worked better than 3.5.9, the last 3.x I used). Don't assume anything about 4.2 based on 4.1 or 4.0; both of those were released before they should have been,a dn should have been considered more like a tech/API preview (4.0) and early beta of a finished version (4.1). Frankly, they both sucked, and it has cost KDE a lot of reputation, but 4.2 is solid. It's what 4.x should
What's wrong with that? (Score:2)
The same old question applies ... (Score:3, Interesting)
How does this version compares to v3.5.10 as far as features and stability?
I'm still waiting to replace my ol' KDE v3 without harming my everyday work!
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I would say stability is a step up; KDE itself I've never had crash, but I get fewer application crashes in 4.2.x (4.2.3 on my current system, I'll upgrade shortly) than I did in 3.5.9 (didn't try .10).
Features are a little harder, but I'd call that an improvement too. The desktop is nicer but... different. Tinker with it a little and I think you'll like it better, but it has changed. Most applicaitons have been ported across pretty straight, with the same features as before, but a few have had significant
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As I used to use my Linux PC for everyday usage, I cannot afford a test-and-try approach (with expensive rollacks)!
Now I run GNOME, with fewer features but more stability as my Ubuntu distribution progresses
Again, my fear is that these KDE v4 releases are more like "interim releases" or betas than actual releases!
The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux (Score:3, Insightful)
Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.
So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense. Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.
And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever to the 'wonder that is Linux on the desktop'
And that is why Android is explodi
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DING DING DING DING, give this guy a cookie for hitting the nail on the head.
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Desktop Linux's problems are:
* Audio APIs and drivers.
* Graphics card drivers, and X11.
Microsoft marketdroids' standard talking points detected.
The theme here is is obscure 80's style C APIs
Do you, by any chance, know, where FindFirstFile() and FindNextFile() in your beloved Windows come from?
CP/M. And it was a stupid design in 80's just like it's a stupid design now.
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I am a 9 year Linux user, and developer, which is why I feel like I do about those APIs.
Yeah, right.
I these things are "standard talking points" in any way, it's because they are true.
They would be -- if nothing changed in Linux over the last 15 years.
Seriously, why the hell do you think people are wrapping the same crap over and over? The work is being re-done because the problem re-surfaces.
What problem? The fact that original ideas behind X11 were demonstrated to be absolutely right, and all attempts to squeeze a little more performance at the cost of poorly designed infrastructure ended up more resource-consuming and still less flexible? The fact that ALSA provides a nice, flexible interface to audio devices without stuffing massive amounts of code into kernel drivers?
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If you use an app that (quite understandably) tries to allocate two channels since it uses two channels, you have to write a script that maps two channels to the two channels you actually have in your two channel audio card!
Or you can read documentation and discover that channels are configurable in userspace. ALSA kernel interface is specifically designed to be close to hardware, so there will be more flexibility in userspace.
X.. well, for starters, run a minimal X app in valgrind. There's an hour of entrainment right there.
X libraries are not designed to work around false positives in Valgrind.
Valgrind also does not notice X resources leakage, so it's not like it is supposed to be used to analyze X clients in the first place.
The architecture is already broken in spirit because of the frequent use of shared memory access extensions and OpenGL which essentially sidesteps the original command buffer oriented design of X.
Except, of course, shared memory access is an optional low-level protocol implementation feature. O
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Well, I'm pretty happy with my netbook with Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I couldn't care less for Microsoft and whatever.
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please mod parent down -1 heretic :)
But seriously he is somewhat correct BUT I don't want to see every Desktop app to turn into some MS Windows copy.
I want my "advanced computer user OS" and not grandma's OS and this is why I use Linux. Linux is advanced software, it allows me to do things Windows users don't even understand or don't know it can be done.
I choose my Linux distribution because it is not the "I'll hold your hand all the way" software and the less computer savvy individual can use something lik
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But seriously he is somewhat correct BUT I don't want to see every Desktop app to turn into some MS Windows copy. I want my "advanced computer user OS" and not grandma's OS and this is why I use Linux. Linux is advanced software, it allows me to do things Windows users don't even understand or don't know it can be done. I choose my Linux distribution because it is not the "I'll hold your hand all the way" software and the less computer savvy individual can use something like *buntu.
This statement is just fucked up on so many levels, why on earth do you need a different distro to run different software? On Windows everything from MS Paint to Adobe Photoshop CS4 runs fine on the same machine, both individually and in parallel. Is that not true on Linux? Ok, so you can have some special needs for some special app, that's what /usr/local is for. But like "I'm so special on everything that my computer isn't usable withoue USE flags" attitude is just bullshit. I bet there's people on *buntu
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This statement is just fucked up on so many levels,
Touche.
On Windows everything from MS Paint to Adobe Photoshop CS4 runs fine on the same machine, both individually and in parallel. Is that not true on Linux?
Since those are windows specific apps, I suspect not. Not that I care, since I don't want either of them.
Ok, so you can have some special needs for some special app, that's what /usr/local is for. But like "I'm so special on everything that my computer isn't usable withoue USE flags" attitude is just
Re:The Fundamental Fatal Flaw Of Desktop Linux (Score:4, Insightful)
Disparate people/teams all working in isolation with no single controlling authority to enforce a consistent UI over the entire system.
No such single controlling entity exists which enforces a consistent UI over any desktop system.
Play with Windows for a bit. There's the standard way you're supposed to do things, and then there's the IE7/8 way, and then there's the Office "Ribbon" way (which is implemented several ways in several different apps), and then there's the iTunes "let's make it look OSX-y" way...
Or OS X. Mac users seem to be under some really weird illusion that X programs make the system inconsistent, when even among recent apps, you have one aqua-ish look, and one chrome/steel-ish look.
I could go on...
So you have Idea/Concept 1 and 2 that are both great in isolation but when thrown together they make no sense. Everyone dumps their own pet favorite UI ideas into the mix and you get one big mess.
A mess which somehow works everywhere else, but when it comes to Desktop Linux, this is the reason people ditch it.
Not lack of drivers. Not lack of application support. Not lack of vendor support, or of preinstalled options. Not sheer FUD about new things.
No, it's the lack of a consistent UI that's the problem.
And anyone who dares to question the fatal flaw gets modded as a -1 Troll and a heretic and unbeliever
Or as someone who brings up a tired old troll which has been discounted time and time again.
And that is why Android is exploding onto Cellphones and Netbooks
"Exploding"? Really?
How's it doing compared to the iPhone?
No, Android has exactly the same "controlling authority" as everything else. That is, it doesn't -- as soon as you install a third-party app, you get whatever you get.
while standard Linux has gotten whipped right out of the market by Microsoft.
Desktop Linux was ever in a position to be "whipped out of the market" by Microsoft? News to me.
No, Microsoft has always dominated the desktop market. Linux and OS X both seem to be growing lately, but not fast enough to make a real dent.
But at the moment, Microsoft dominates the market mostly because Microsoft dominates the market.
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$3.00 per month for Windows + $3.00 per month for antivirus + $6.00 per month for office suite + $18.00 per month for enterprise-quality image/illustration editing suite adds up quickly. Linux gives you all that and more for free - or for $3.00 per month (by your metric) if you buy the distro to support its continued development/maintenance.
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I say Lunix to make fanboys angry
Why would misspelling a word make anyone but grammar fanboys angry?
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Re:I just tried KDE 4.1 (Score:5, Interesting)
The big change came with KDE 4.2. Things really became very smooth and fast and rock solid. If you are planning to upgrade to jaunty, I would definitely recommend trying it. (If I remember correctly, there is also a way to run 4.2 on kubuntu 8.10 -- I think I did this for a while.)
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4.2 is a grea release: its a good upgrade from 3.5 (Score:3, Interesting)
When 4.1 came out I was fairly happy with the stability, a lot of little issues (things like the tas
Re:I just tried KDE 4.1 (Score:5, Informative)
4.1 isn't even close to 4.2. You might as well compare a beta to a release version (think of it this way - 4.0 was the tech preview, incomplete and buggy but with APIs in place. 4.1 is the beta - many of the features but not all, and still buggy. 4.2 is release, with bugs fixed and features in place).
You'd think that talking about 4.1 in an article about 4.2.4 would be obviously absurd, but apparently not...
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4.1 isn't even close to 4.2. You might as well compare a beta to a release version (think of it this way - 4.0 was the tech preview, incomplete and buggy but with APIs in place. 4.1 is the beta - many of the features but not all, and still buggy. 4.2 is release, with bugs fixed and features in place). You'd think that talking about 4.1 in an article about 4.2.4 would be obviously absurd, but apparently not...
It's a real shame there is no way to label software releases as "tech previews", "release candidates", or "betas". Oh well, I guess we'll just have to stick with generic number releases and let users find out what they've installed after the fact.
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Yeah, the KDE developers (rightfully) caught a lot of crap for this. I can see their point of view leaving KDE4 as a pre-release until 4.2's release would have been a LONG development cycle - but it cost them (the devs) a lot of reputation. Personally, I don't really care about their rep, but then, I don't write KDE, I just use it. What really bothers me is that it cost KDE, as a desktop environment, a lot of its reputation too. KDE 4.0 / 4.1 made Vista look snappy and bug-free by comparison, and now KDE ha
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Um, no, they said it'd be usable on 4.1. They only started saying this about 4.2 when it became obvious how much 4.1 sucks.
And would it have been so hard to just label it 4.0 beta?
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You're right, 4.0 was the tech preview -- the alpha.
4.1 was maybe beta quality
4.2 might count as a release candidate, but with no WPA, it sure as hell wasn't a release.
4.3 looks promising. But so did 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2.
These people really need to grow up and start calling them betas -- or take a clue from Linux, establish an obvious convention (odd numbers are unstable; don't use 2.5 until we release it as 2.6), stick to it, and clearly label it a Developer Preview.
I'm really starting to wonder if they'll ma
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What is release quality depends on what you are using.
Assume I'm using all the features that were in KDE3, and everything that is currently in KDE4. There really isn't an excuse to have a feature missing from KDE4 that was in KDE3, or to have a feature available-but-broken in KDE4.
If you are a free software dev, then to know what your users are using, you _need_ to release.
Or, y'know, ask them.
not betas, because don't attract nearly as much users.
See, I've heard this before, and it really pisses me off every time I see it.
You guys are trying to have your cake and eat it. You're trying to fool users into thinking the release is ready, to get them to beta-test for you, when they don't want to beta-test, the
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but 4.2 still has a long list of problems, it's a second beta release and I'll hold off until 4.3 or later, thanks much. In the meantime, sticking with the GNOME after ditching that 4.1 shit, KDE went from polished to unstable crap
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AmaroK (a KDE audio player) made some questionable UI design decisions in the recent versions. I sometimes worry that with the goal of making Linux "easy for my grandmother to use", the actual users are left behind.
There will always be good software available. If Ubuntu swallows the Linux world, people that want something different can install BSD or opensolaris.
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Also, no support for transcoding in the latest version.
They basically adopted KDE4's philosophy: "Let's break everything, release it as a dot-oh release, add some sexy new features (without fixing the old ones), and blame users for upgrading when stuff doesn't work!" ...only, more so.
There is currently no one version of AmaroK which does everything I want. There are two versions, each of which does a different thing that I want. And they refuse to fix the old version, because they're too busy on the new one
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What I'm complaining about is the fact that it's different parts of this that were broken in each version, and that if they spent just a little bit of effort maintaining the stable version while they went galavanting off to the bold new kde4 future.
And yeah, it is frustrating -- somewhere along the line, this used to work in the old version. So what's even more annoying is it's a regression, and a stupid one at that. But they couldn't be bothered to fix it.
The whole point of having an exciting, new, develop
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GNOME isn't "throwing it's current GUI paradigm out of the window for 3.x"; the slogan is "GNOME 3.0 = GNOME 2.30"; that is, more of an incremental improvement than a radical change. Indeed, the big target for GNOME 3.0 seems to be cleaning up the use of various deprecated parts of the API (like the bonobo component system). GNOME Shell, from your youtube link, is an interesting integration of the window manager and the window switcher, but I don't know that it counts as a completely new GUI paradigm.
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Sorry KDE Guys.
After 3 try (4.0. 4.1 4.2) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.
How is that KDE's fault? Try getting a better supported (ie intel, sadly) graphics card. Then multi monitor setups work beautifully.
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Because it works in KDE 3? Because the retarded idea of plasma containers inside a virtual desktop adds a useless layer of crap that does nothing except make it a pain configuring your environment the way you want it?
OHMYGOD yes, exactly. I use KDE 4.2, with tremendous reluctance and pain. All that KDE4 did was to introduce a COMPLETELY USELESS ADDITIONAL LAYER OF WINDOWING THAT HAS A SEPARATE, IMMATURE, AND INCOMPATIBLE CONFIGURATION SYSTEM. Frelling stupid idea. Huge, huge step backwards. Now instead of having a nice, unified way of making all of my desktop things (widgets and applications) look and act the same, I have to adjust one set of parameters for my applications, and there's AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT set of
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You're right. If you look at the names of the active developers of 1.0 and 2.0, there's not much overlap with the active developers of 4.0. It really is a brand new crew. Not only that, but I suspect that the new crew is 15 years younger on average than the old crew.
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If it worked for KDE3, but not for KDE4, with exactly the same driver, then how can you blame the driver? Hmmm, you must be a Plasma developer...
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Why should he have to fix it when it is already being touted as working? I'm sure some of his issues might be User setup in which something isn't configured "just right" and with his broken English, I can also assume that expressing the actual problem in ways someone might be able to help might hinder some of his issues being corrected too. If he is bitching about purposed solutions, he has already submitted the bug reports and gotten responses.
But none of that is the point. People are saying "It works" whe
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After 3 try (4.0. 4.1 4.2) I still not be able to work with dual monitors.
I'm using these under Fedora 10:
xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of LVDS --auto --output LVDS --auto
and Fedora 11:
xrandr --output DVI-I_1/digital --left-of PANEL --auto --output PANEL --auto
I put a link under ~/.kde/Autostart so it fires off on login.
My xorg.conf requires a virtual super-display definition to stack the displays next to each other:
Section "Screen"