Analyst, 15, Creates Storm After Trashing Twitter 381
Barence writes "A 15-year-old schoolboy has become an overnight sensation after writing a report on teenagers' media habits for analysts Morgan Stanley. Intern Matthew Robson was asked to write a report about his friends' use of technology during his work experience stint with the firm's media analysts. The report was so good the firm decided to publish it, and it generated 'five or six' times more interest than Morgan Stanley's regular reports. The schoolboy poured scorn on Twitter, claiming that teenagers 'realize that no one is viewing their profile, so their tweets are pointless.' He also claimed games consoles are replacing mobile phones as the way to chat with friends."
I've Heard This Story Before (Score:5, Insightful)
The schoolboy poured scorn on Twitter, claiming that teenagers "realize that no one is viewing their profile, so their tweets are pointless".
Sounds familiar [tonightsbedtimestory.com]:
So now the Emperor walked under his high canopy in the midst of the procession, through the streets of his capital; and all the people standing by, and those at the windows, cried out, "Oh! How beautiful are our Emperor's new clothes! What a magnificent train there is to the mantle; and how gracefully the scarf hangs!" in short, no one would allow that he could not see these much-admired clothes; because, in doing so, he would have declared himself either a simpleton or unfit for his office. Certainly, none of the Emperor's various suits, had ever made so great an impression, as these invisible ones.
"But the Emperor has nothing at all on!" said a little child.
"Listen to the voice of innocence!" exclaimed his father; and what the child had said was whispered from one to another.
"But he has nothing at all on!" at last cried out all the people. The Emperor was vexed, for he knew that the people were right; but he thought the procession must go on now! And the lords of the bedchamber took greater pains than ever, to appear holding up a train, although, in reality, there was no train to hold.
Re:I've Heard This Story Before (Score:5, Insightful)
Honestly, it's just a 15 year old kid with some views of his life. I highly doubt he's actually got anything revolutionary to say. I think it's just a case of people caught on the twitter media train suddenly realizing that twitter isn't god to everybody, despite what reports say.
Re:I've Heard This Story Before (Score:5, Funny)
I highly doubt he's actually got anything revolutionary to say.
Just wait. Any day now we will see the armies of teenagers emerge carrying around their PS3's and Xboxes instant messaging each other while their cell phones rest idly in their pockets, ringing on deaf ears like so many unread tweets...
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You know why we won't see that? Because that would require the kids to leave their homes and go outside.
Other way around! We won't see that, because we would have to leave our homes and go outside to see the teens.
Re:I've Heard This Story Before (Score:5, Funny)
At least if their XBoxes and PS3's keep them inside, they'll stay off my lawn.
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In my day twitter was hosted on the wall of the bathroom stall...
/me imagines:
Here I tweet from my bathroom blog, not digital but analog.
Re:I've Heard This Story Before (Score:5, Funny)
In MY days, the bathroom WAS the lawn!
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Why does it surprise you that Morgan Stanley published something like this? One of their big activities is selling investment analysis, and the people they are selling to aren't exactly going to be wired into what Twitter is about.
They all want in on the next Google, so when something gets as much attention as Twitter has been getting (never mind that the attention is a self fulfilling prophecy; people in the media at least have a tendency to be narcissistic), the herd gets a bit jumpy.
A great example of sp
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Look at stock performance over the past 24 months, I think it's wise to IGNORE anything any Stock adviser tells you. these guys dont know their anus from a hole in the ground lately. I've had better luck going AGAINST all their recommendations during the past 24 months..
Re:I've Heard This Story Before (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm trying to figure out why Morgan Stanley is the place for this kind of article.
Morgan Stanley is an investment bank. They offer investment advice. In this case, they're providing a counter-opinion to the general media "OMG Twitter is the greatest thing since sliced bread" analysis. It's a very different kind of market analysis from what we conventionally see, and something potentially interesting to someone who might be looking at tech stocks. Twitter stock isn't sold publicly, but it's still relevant to the potential future of the sector.
Honestly, it's just a 15 year old kid with some views of his life. I highly doubt he's actually got anything revolutionary to say.
I'm normally as disparaging of teenagers as they come, having recently left that "I know everything there is to know" stage of my life (I'm 22). But whereas the average teenager is working retail or ogling bikinis at the local pool, this kid's interning at one of the most powerful companies in the world, and wrote something that sufficiently impressed them that they published it under their name. Sounds like a smart kid.
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I'm normally as disparaging of teenagers as they come, having recently left that "I know everything there is to know" stage of my life (I'm 22).
I think you may still have some more more moments in the future where you realize how little you knew as a teenager and how, at 22, you vastly underestimated the amount you didn't know as a teen. :)
This isn't a flame at you, I just think it's what happens as we learn more and reflect.
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I'm normally as disparaging of teenagers as they come, having recently left that "I know everything there is to know" stage of my life (I'm 22).
I think you may still have some more more moments in the future where you realize how little you knew as a teenager and how, at 22, you vastly underestimated the amount you didn't know as a teen. :)
And doubtless someday in the future I'll realize how little I knew and understood at 22. If you don't have that feeling every so often, it's a sign that you haven't learned a lot recently, so having that feeling is a very good thing, even if it makes you face-palm at your younger self. :)
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If he were really smart, he'd be ogling bikinis at the local pool. One day he'll be old and wish he hadn't wasted the best years of his life at Morgan Stanley.
If he were really, really smart, he'd be interning now, get himself a great job post-college, make a truckload of money, and then spend his 30s ogling C-list celebrities and teen models at his pool.
Re:I've Heard This Story Before (Score:5, Interesting)
Revolutionary, no. Marketable, yes.
A lot of companies consider Twitter the "next big thing", when in reality, not only has Twitter always had major problems, it jumped the shark at least a year ago. Then some kid comes out and effectively points-and-laughs at all the foolish VCs trying to recapture the glory of the Dot Com bubble... Something they'd love to ignore, but unfortunately he perfectly represents their target audience. Not something easily ignored when you have billions on the table calling his bluff, basically betting that this particular 15YO differs enough from the norm that you won't lose your shirt.
Now, the point about in-game chats, well, he has a point, but one limited in validity to his particular market segment (young males with a lot of free time and decent access to money). In that segment, he very much describes reality... Who would bother texting or even booting a PC to chat, when the standalone networked device you sit in front of for 8+ hours a day already has that functionality built in? That doesn't mean texting or IM will go away, but if you want to appeal to a 15YO male PS3 junkie, you'd damned well better know where to reach him.
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It's therefore very unsurprising that this teenager, with his limited world view, has decided that games consoles are better to communicate with, than an expensive phone. First there's the cost. Second, if he's a gamer, there's a good chance his friends are gamers, and since they are unlikely to be in the pub (because they are too young), they'll probably be found at home, infront of theirs consoles. It is therefore the best communication medium for *him*.
Granted the kid will grow up, start going to the pub, and have his own income that he can spend on phone credit. At that point, he'll have probably ditched consoles all together, and got himself a brand new iPhone 9, and be playing Halo 17 on the bus back from work on it.
Even though it was not that long ago, it's very easy to forget how your mind worked when you were a teenager. Every so often something like this will come along and remind you how small minded you were just a few years ago
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Every so often, I'll find something I wrote 25 years ago, and be just a little startled at how perceptive I was.
The can be interpreted as you hope, or it can be interpreted that you are still an obtuse, selfish dipshit after 25 years.
Nice disclaimer (Score:5, Informative)
From the article: Morgan Stanley points out that Robson's assessment of the media landscape doesn't have the statistical rigour of its regular reports.
Re:Nice disclaimer (Score:5, Funny)
From the article: Morgan Stanley points out that Robson's assessment of the media landscape doesn't have the statistical rigour of its regular reports.
The next regular report will, no doubt, assert with full statistical rigour that "Twitter is for twits". It's been manifestly evident to many of us since its very inception.
People don't "tweet", they mostly be-twit themselves - sometimes quite impressively in only 140 characters. Others merely follow the twaddle produced by their twit-idols (a motley collection of vacuous celebrities, sports stars, self-serving shills, and the like). Still, pumping the hype on the way up was good for fleecing investors. Presumably Morgan Stanley can now fleece them again on the way down.
Re:Nice disclaimer (Score:5, Insightful)
You left out Twitter and Facebook suckered large numbers of Iranian and Guatemalan young people in to posting anti government rants on them, thinking they were going to overthrow their government with Twitter. Now that's a laugh. It was a stellar part of the Twitter hype to make everyone think Twitter would lead to an instantaneous outbreak of Democracy across the globe. CNN was a leading purveyor of this myth. Since CNN has pretty much ceased to function as a news network all they have left to do is grasp at straws in the form of Twitter, Facebook and iReport. They kind of missed the fact its nearly impossible to verify anything you get from the anonymous public, or to have any confidence in the source. Howard Stern pranks proved this.
Note to wanna be young Iranian rebels, Iran monitors all Internet traffic so using Twitter in the clear provides the Basij with an instantaneous mechanism to identify, arrest and track you and your rabble-rouser friends. Note to all future young wanna be rebels, all your internet activities are probably being watched. Your Twitter and Facebook pages aren't a good place to organize a revolution unless you really know what you are doing. Don't use them unless you are using anonymous WiFi stolen from your neighbor so they get busted instead, or a very good anonymizer like Tor. Try reading Cory Doctorow's Little Brother so you will at least be in the correct mind set for interacting with authoritarian governments who use computers to oppress their people, like Iran, Russia... and the U.S.
"Little Brother" is a somewhat flawed work but at least it teaches paranoia. Note to Linux community, someone really needs to put together Paranoid Linux and XNet with Tor, gnupg, WiFi sniffers, security tools, etc. and make sure computer noobs who want to overthrow their out of control governments have it, and can use it out of the box even if they are noobs.
There is a reason the NSA is building two giant new data centers in Utah and San Antonio and expanding the one in Maryland. They appear to be preparing to spy on a whole lot more communications traffic than they already are. Anyone who think America's bout with Big Brother ended when Obama replaced Bush are sadly mistaken. The Democrats are just as eager to spy on everyone and destroy all our civil liberties as the Cheneyists were.
A burning question of the 21st century is if computers will liberate us or enslave us. The paradoxical answer is they will probably do both at the same time.
Paranoid Linux: Sugar w/ Benefits? (Score:3, Interesting)
Your mention of ad-hoc networks reminded me of the XO I got on the BO-GO program a couple of years back. Compared to the variations on wi-fi w/ Linux/OSX/Windows I've played with, the XO could *really* haul in the connections, finding hot-spots and meshes I had no idea existed near my place. I don't know how h/w dependent the OLPC Mesh/wi-fi modules are.
A nice Paranoid Linux option would be to spoof the MAC addr. After getting all encrypted and proxied up, a final and truly paranoid (and PITA to implement)
Re:Nice disclaimer (Score:5, Insightful)
No kidding... It reads as if he's assuming that just because he and his five friends don't use Twitter, it follows that nobody his age uses Twitter. And then he just makes up some random reasons to support his claim. How does he know *why* teenagers don't use it; has he done any research? Or just picked the first thing that flew into his head?
I could have written a report when I was that age saying that no teenager watches NASCAR or soccer because I didn't and most of my friends didn't.
I don't blame the kid for writing this way (he's not old enough to know better), but I find it bizarre that Morgan Stanley would take this seriously.
I always find it annoying when the media or a company takes the say-so of one individual and thinks that one person could possible speak for all teenagers / African-Americans / middle-aged white people / etc...
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From the article: Morgan Stanley points out that Robson's assessment of the media landscape doesn't have the statistical rigour of its regular reports.
Translation:
"We felt we could get some PR by putting this out."
Of course, most "analysts" reports are useless anyway - many have no clue about the industry they cover, and merely spout whatever they hear from the analyst calls; so a 15 year old's anecdotal report is probably as good as most others.
Here's the real reason... (Score:2, Funny)
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Says the one who can't use the proper from of 'their'.
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Says the one who can't use the proper from of 'their'.
Says the one who's sentence doesn't parse.
Re:Here's the real reason... (Score:5, Funny)
Says the one who can't use the proper from of 'their'.
Says the one who's sentence doesn't parse.
Says the one who doesn't know when to use "who's" or "whose" :-)
Re:Here's the real reason... (Score:5, Funny)
Murphry's Law [wikipedia.org] explodes!
And yuo mananged to misspeel "Muphry's". Bravo!
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Says the one who can't use the proper from of 'their'.
I'll take the dolt who mistypes over the dolt that sues when their own stupidity bites them in the ass.
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While the daughter WAS a dolt, that doesn't obviate the need for cones. Workers should probably 'look for cones' first, THEN open the manhole. What if she weren't just distracted, but were impaired in some way (e.g. blind)?
Texting is annoying, and the societal change to accommodate it has been somewhat abrasive, but there was a decently high chance for injury here. All parties involved were quite lucky indeed.
Re:Here's the real reason... (Score:5, Insightful)
Texting is hard! http://gizmodo.com/5312623/teenager-falls-into-open-manhole-while-texting [gizmodo.com] [gizmodo.com]
I love people that are so utterly self-absorbed and oblivious to their surroundings that they can do something this foolish. Wanna lay odds that when she gets her drivers license in a few years she'll be one of the asshats that flies down the road, cell phone in one hand, make-up in the other, paying absolutely no attention to the road? Then when she gets into an accident she'll say "I never saw it coming!".
I'll get yelled at for saying this but it's a pity she didn't earn herself a Darwin award. Now she's going to breed and pass on her stupidity to the next generation.
Re:Here's the real reason... (Score:5, Interesting)
Ya know, I'm not sure it's being self-absorbed that's the problem. I know people who just can't multitask, like the old saw about people who can't walk and chew gum at the same time. My grandfather and aunt are/were like this: they just couldn't do two things at once. It wasn't for lack of smarts, either: he was a self-taught organic chemist with a dozen patents, some quite successful, and she's a graphic designer in high demand. But they were/are what you'd call oblivious unless you know them, and then you realize that some people seem to be mentally incapable of rapid task switching even after (in granddad's case) 90 years of trying. My aunt stopped using her cellphone after months of running into doors while trying to talk and walk at the same time, and on the rare occasions where she drives, she says at the beginning of the drive "I cannot talk while I'm driving or I'm likely to have a crash, so please don't talk." She's learned this from experience (and a couple of wrecked cars) after 40 years of trying. Maybe the woman who fell into the manhole just hasn't figured this out about herself yet.
For that matter, I've seen half a dozen guys walk straight into walls or trip over chairs because they were too busy checking out my gf's butt to watch where they were going. Smart people can realize when their priorities have shifted and they're about to do something stupid, but even smart people need some experience to develop the skill to notice when they're about to do something stupid.
Relativity (Score:5, Insightful)
If a 15-year-old "analyst" writes one of the most "clearest and most thought-provoking insights" for your publication, that says a lot more about your publication (and the state of American journalism) than the 15-year-old in question.
Why don't we ask him to write about homework ("a near-epidemic in America") early bedtimes ("a gross violation of the constitution") and girls ("icky!") while we're at it?
Fucking embarrassing.
Re:Relativity (Score:5, Informative)
Your being fifteen must have been a looooooooooong time ago if you truly think 'icky' would enter a boy's mind at this age when asked about girls.
Dude, fifteen year old girls have BREASTS, remember that. ;)
But I concur, if such an article has much more audience than your usual content you should really start thinking about changing your usual content.
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Either that or he has kids.
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Huh, when I was 15 I wasn't thinking about 15 year old girls... it was the 18 year old cheerleaders, 22 yearl old bikini models and 28 year actresses that always got my attention. I didn't think about 15 year old girls until I was 17 and realized that the only girls I had a chance with were 15/16 ;-p since all the girls my own age were dating some college kid or at least thought they should be.
Slurm (Score:5, Insightful)
What it says is that most people working in "business" are disconnected from reality and produce nothing of value.
The only real problem is that some moron let this kid inside to see the Slurm factory and now he knows.
Re:Relativity (Score:5, Funny)
Was this you? "To the guy at the other urinal (Restroom at work)"
http://austin.craigslist.org/com/1265944275.html [craigslist.org]
Re:Relativity (Score:5, Informative)
> Isaac Newton published many of the founding principles of physics aged 17 and heÂd already written a great deal before that, even before he was 15 in fact.
Isaac Newton was born in 1643. Newton developed the generalized binomial theorem, his first work, in 1665 when he was 22 years old but didn't publish any of it for many years. He published his most important and famous work, the "Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica" in 1687 when he was 44 years old.
Not 15 or 17.
In fact.
Games consoles? (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe for 10 year olds, but certainly not for the rest of us.
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Thing about 10 year olds, they don't stay that way. These kinds of reports are what people and corporations use to plan for the future.
I'm not suggesting that the report is the end-all be-all, but it does hint that maybe what people today are terribly excited about today may not be sustainable.
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Thing about 10 year olds, they don't stay that way. These kinds of reports are what people and corporations use to plan for the future.
Then they're pretty fucking stupid, because when that kid grows up, he'll have a cellphone.
I'm not suggesting that the report is the end-all be-all, but it does hint that maybe what people today are terribly excited about today may not be sustainable.
It really doesn't, because it's anecdotal. The plural of anecdote is not data.
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Then they're pretty fucking stupid, because when that kid grows up, he'll have a cellphone.
Obviously. However, the more that phone is like the Xbox, the better kids similar to him will adopt its features and pay for the add-on services.
He clearly isn't advocating using the game console because it is more portable. So why are you so fast to assume that there is nothing to be learned from the observation?
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You're free to make that assumption, just as others are free to take note of it and see if there's anything to be learned.
First of all, he's 15 and doing an internship for a major publication. I'm going to go ahead and doubt his parents cannot afford a cell, but instead can afford a game console. He also seems to afford a computer. I'm not picturing an impoverished child here, but maybe I read it wrong.
You see those kids using cell phones because they're out and about. I highly doubt you're peering into
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I also thought it was interesting how he referred to a copy of a music file on his hard drive as a "hard copy". It seems to indicate to me a pretty big change in the perceived transience of digital data.
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Maybe for 10 year olds, but certainly not for the rest of us.
Yeah, but ten year olds grow quickly into most industries' key demographic, and yesterday's toys becomes tomorrow's Engines of Commerce. Time was (and not too long ago) that MySpace/Social Networking was the stomping ground of teens and the pervs who pretended they were teens. People working in the "real" web space treated it with scorn (not saying it was not well deserved, but let's stay on message here...), regarding it as that generation's Ge
where is the report? (Score:2)
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I am far from a British teenager but it sounds like it was written by an adult playing a teenager.
Also, aren't there polls/surveys to get more quantitative info on teenager media use?
They hardly need one teenager's anecdotal report.
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I would never have guessed this is the case~ (Score:3, Interesting)
Wow. I'm totally floored. I would never have guessed that the vast majority of people, more specifically teenagers, don't care when you tweet you're on Main Street and saw a cute girl. Or, in the case of Gabe, taking a shit [penny-arcade.com].
Guess this is another example where not having an MBA is an asset.
Wow... (Score:2, Funny)
And I thought me being 15 and reading /. was geeky.
Why is it... (Score:5, Insightful)
...there have been numerous articles written on the lameness of waste of bandwidth that twitter is and they get shot down as anti-pop babble. Yet a 15 year old kid writes a dismissive and somewhat rambling "analytical" report saying that twitter is lame and a waste of time and all of a sudden he's a genius with social insight in to media tools?
Tools meaning things people use to communicate, like telephones (yes, they still have those). Not tools meaning the talking heads like the ones the reported on the 15 year old's report.
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...there have been numerous articles written on the lameness of waste of bandwidth that twitter is and they get shot down as anti-pop babble. Yet a 15 year old kid writes a dismissive and somewhat rambling "analytical" report saying that twitter is lame and a waste of time and all of a sudden he's a genius with social insight in to media tools?
The issue you notice is simple. If anyone above the age of 20 wrote this report, he or she would be viewed as "old" or "not with it" and the report would be dismissed as sour grapes or get off my lawn or some such thing. Oh, but wait, we have a 15 year old telling us this? Shit, that's the demographic this is supposed to work on! Oh man, now we better listen. And suddenly, overnight, it's okay to doubt Twitter's power out loud. Amazing.
The news here is that it took the voice of an innocent to wake up business men looking for the next marketing scam to pull on young people. "MySpace didn't work for marketing, maybe this Twitter thing will work? Never mind that I think it's stupid, I don't want to out myself as technologically inept and reveal I don't even use e-mail. No, we must avoid our inadequacies instead of addressing them." That's basically what's at work, very much like The Emperor's New Clothes (see my post above).
Re:Why is it... (Score:4, Insightful)
Most people should have known that Twitter's days were numbered when CNN and The View started harping on people to follow them on Twitter. That's generally a sign that it's over, not that it's the next big thing.
Re:Why is it... (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a massive and explicit difference between the reports. Others said "Twitter is stupid." This kid said "Twitter isn't bad, but the uses of it are driving away long-term users and leaving those that follow personalities." Twitter itself is a good idea. It's a convenient place for a mass-IM to subscribers. If people only sent tweets on important things, it would be permanent. However, when people get bathroom updates, it's all crap. I'm not on. I don't want to be that connected. But if I were on, I'd have sent out something like one per month or less (and they'd be big things, like one narcisist one about my vacation to California, one about my wife being pregnant, and one about getting New Zealand permanent residency, with the next one being the date that we are leaving the country, once known). But with multiple per day, I don't care when someone's going to the mall so I can run into them there. I may be old, but if I wanted to run into someone, I'd text them, not announce it to masses.
And that's why twitter will fail. To promote themselves, they promoted the "tweet everything" attitude, and people do. And that drives off those that want medium connectivity, not webcam-in-the-bathroom connectivity. And that's the idea behind why this kid said it is going to fail. Not any problem with the technology or the general idea, but the current usage and its lack of sustainability.
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Hint: he wasn't talking about the tool, he was talking about what people use the tool for. His opinions are credible because anyone who attacks the underage is considered despicable (well, for now anyway...just wait until the "it's irresponsible and environment-destroying to be a parent" attitude gathers even more steam than it has already) and he's saying something that nobody is allowed to say.
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...there have been numerous articles written on the lameness of waste of bandwidth that twitter is
And they all get posted on Slashdot and get at least their average share of comments. So much goes energy goes into "not using Twitter" these days. Methinks people doth protest too much?
My friends and I have a use case for Twitter and we're happy with it. Not everyone does. Perhaps they should just realize it's a tool like any other communication medium and let it be.
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I kinda agree. Twitter has become a technology kinda like TV. The people who don't use it won't waste a hint of breath if it's mentioned even passingly in a conversation to scream at you that they don't use it, don't like it, and the (in their minds) deep philosophical reasons why.
Personally, I certainly don't use it in the trendy teenager way. I have a twitter account to receive tweets, but I don't send them (I've literally never sent even one). I also don't follow any of my friends twitter accounts be
He's just poor (Score:4, Insightful)
If you actually read the report, you'll see that he and his friends are mainly concerned with cost. Twitter is not used because sending a text message to twitter costs money, and, since nobody reads their profiles anyway, it's better to send the message to friends directly. The rest of the report is on the same theme: teenagers don't want to spend any money. This is certainly not a new trend; when I was in high school, my allowance was certainly inadequate to subscribe to expensive services, buy computer games, or expensive gadgets. I don't see why anyone is surprized that this is all still true today.
Bleeding edge (Score:5, Funny)
Once I read this report I tossed out my iphone and blackberry. I now walk around with the convenience of a xbox 360 and Playstation 3 strapped on each side of my hip. I also attach an atari 2600 to my chest for legacy situations.
Me: 1 Technology: 0
Re:Bleeding edge (Score:5, Funny)
You need an Intellivision on your back, and a ColecoVision makes a great hat.
One person's anecdotes (Score:5, Insightful)
It's just the echo chamber effect. A teenager knows that this is how he and his friends use technology, so he assumes it's true for everyone else. So the report might be an interesting insight into how he thinks, but totally useless for anyone who wants an actual profile of his age group.
The reason behind this report (Score:5, Insightful)
Sounds like Morgan Stanley feels that this point is so blatantly obvious that it even by delivering it via a virtual nobody from the demographic that twitter is supposed to be the most popular with wouldn't dilute the truth.
However, while I think twitter is pretty boring myself you do have to admit -- if you're a 15 year old kid writing research reports for Morgan Stanley odds are you don't have the pulse of social networking trends.
Re:The reason behind this report (Score:5, Funny)
...and now in other news, a 38 year old housewife in Hoboken, NJ, reveals that no one reads Morgan Stanley reports, despite all the trees they cut down to publish them.
The only real use for Twitter... (Score:2)
Otherwise, the kid has it on the nose. Not that that's a surprise; it's just that he seems to be the only person with the courage to come out and say it.
Where's the Report? (Score:5, Insightful)
Has anyone actually found the damn report? As another pointed out, google search is so polluted with 2nd and 3rd hand accounts that googling the report is singulary unrevealing (or perhaps more accurately: multiplicatively unrevealing). Unlike other snarky comments here, I wouldn't be surprised if this kid's observations weren't dead on. I'm unsurprised twitter is considered passe, I'm unsurprised that teenagers are finding better ways to chat than SMS messages pecked out on a cell phone number pad, and I'm unsurprised that teenagers are abandoning television and print media as primary information sources, given how often those expensive and slow media forms have been shown to be inaccurate, overtly deceptive, and (worst of all for a young person) utterly out of touch with the zeitgeist of the moment.
About the only surprise in the captions is that young people are using gaming consoles more than other media for chatting, but that may be down to me not being a gamer. In any event, I'd like to read the report before passing judgement, and particularly befor joining the jaded, knee-jerk reaction of "the kid's clueless, we shouldn't listen" mantra that seems to have become so common on slashdot (and makes us all sound like cranky old men, even more out of touch with the world's current trends than the Old Media).
Re: (Score:2)
Answering my own question:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jul/13/teenage-media-habits-morgan-stanley [guardian.co.uk]
It actually is an interesting read, if anectdotal.
Re:Where's the Report? (Score:5, Informative)
The report can be found here
http://media.ft.com/cms/c3852b2e-6f9a-11de-bfc5-00144feabdc0.pdf [ft.com]
Just because his parent's won't buy him an iPhone (Score:3, Insightful)
Does anyone else get that a teenager is obviously going to use a PS3 or 360 because that's what his parents bought him?
I hate twitter as much as the next guy, but other things "passe" to a fifteen year old might include:
showing up on time
white tennis shoes
working outside
The Beatles
playing actual instruments instead of the ones with Rock Band
So, if I wanted to market a product - like a smartphone - to teenagers, I'd probably read his report with a little interest. And then I'd remember that he's not old enou
I partially agree - twitter, facebook, etc are bad (Score:2, Interesting)
I just had this discussion with my wife over the weekend, but in our case we were talking mainly about Facebook and not Twitter, but the same principal applies. My take is that I like the concept of being able to keep in touch with friends and family easily, but the implementation of facebook, myspace, twitter, and sms messaging leaves a lot to be desired. Facebook and myspace allow other people to post things which you may or may not want posted about you, and it keeps those postings for a certain amount
Sounds like the next Theodore Kaczynski (Score:4, Insightful)
Shocking! (Score:2)
Oh, God, the Grammar (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Oh, God, the Grammar (Score:4, Insightful)
just like to bitch, or trying to make yourself seem better by putting other people down.
Oh, one of those, probably. That sounds like me.
It's possible, if you don't mind a hypothetical, that I believe that standardization of language is one of the greatest boons to communication and education that the world has ever devised. The degeneration of language hurts a society's future generations, who will have difficulty comprehending what's written today. I (hypothetically) weep at the thought that our grandchildren will never appreciate the great writers of the past century, because corruption of language will make them as inaccessible as Chaucer or Shakespeare are today.
An argument could also be made that I believe that well-structured and grammatical writing improve the comprehension of readers, and that the ability to write correctly is an important skill to anyone who wishes to communicate with the written word, a belief based on faith in my heart, plus the umpteen-thousand empirical studies that have shown this to be true. That is, poor communication communicates poorly, which in modern America seems to be a shockingly radical position to (hypothetically) take.
Another man might even put forth the idea that heaping praise upon mediocrity is unwise.
But the truth is that I'm just a bit of a dick about it.
Is this really revolutionary? (Score:2)
Wait, if this catches on, maybe next they'll ask programmers what they think about technology projects in the workplace?!
The innocent speaking truth (Score:3, Interesting)
Teenager in "reading newspapers is boring" shocker (Score:2, Funny)
Game consoles for chat... (Score:2)
My 21 year old brother chats with his friends through his game console... my 30+ year old neighbor does the same.
What do they have in common? They like playing games and they're both guys. I wouldn't expect my neighbors wife or the 16 year old girl down the street to fire up the PS3 or XBOX to chat with her girlfriends though why that's any different than using MySpace or Facebook as a chat board I couldn't tell you.... only that the girls want to be able to chat ALL THE TIME - so that cellphone isn't going
Ooh, I can do this! (Score:5, Funny)
Ooh, ooh!
35 year old men don't play golf. I mean, I'm 35 and I know a few 35 year olds, and none of us play golf.
Shower gratitude on me for my unique insight. Better sell all your shares in the golf industry.
my reports (Score:4, Funny)
I feel that it is important to report market information that I have assembled.
Based on a survey of the people I'm living with, Ubuntu has a 25% market share of the laptop market.
None of my friends own an iPhone, so I assure you that it is a dead market space, MMOs fall into the same category.
On average, there is only one care for six people with driver's licenses.
Wii has 100% of the market share.
All teenage girls love anime and The Lion King.
In terms of popularity, 4 out of 5 of my roommates wanted a joint memorial for Billy Mays and Michael Jackson.
Everyone I know hates MySpace. I mean everyone. Its a really stupid facebook. The only people who use it are retarded. Surveys report that people are more willing to twitter than use MySpace, which is quite shocking considering previous reports.
All of these reports are held to the highest standards of statistical accuracy and truthfulness. It has the statistical rigour usual to all of my reports.
Punditocracy (Score:2)
15 minutes (Score:2)
Looks like after a decade or so, the "analysts" and "consultants" have finally come around to doing the math on the famous "15 minutes of fame" for everybody.
Who cares anyway? (Score:2, Interesting)
My question is: "Who cares?" Twitter especially... I don't care what you are doing at this very moment. If it were worth me hearing about, I have a perfectly good AIM/MSN/Email/Phone. Give me a call, tell me about it. Everyone is concerned about "big brother," and then willingly contribute their "tweet
In other words, the younger generation believes (Score:3, Funny)
1 nude MMS of the 15 year-old chick who sits next to you in class is more than worth 140 characters of anal-retentive self-promoting status alerts.
Oh (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Absolute bollocks, teenagers don't use twitter because THEY CANT AFFORD MOBILE PLANS FOR THE VOLUME OF MESSAGES IT TAKES TO KEEP IN TOUCH WITH EVERYTHING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FUCKING JOBS. Also you cant completely trash the appearance of your profile and put a really bad post-punk emo song somewhere hard to turn off that auto-plays on load.
How about this. TWITTER SUCKS!
I have gotten sick of everyone's mental diarrhea. Endless, boring blogs and social networking sites. The best thing so far has been YouTube for getting the word out. That isn't saying much...