Facial Expressions Are "Not Global" 137
An anonymous reader sends in a BBC report on new research out of Glasgow University, which detected differences in how facial expressions are read between Westerners and East Asians. Using eye tracking, the researchers determined that "people from different cultural groups observe different parts of the face when interpreting expression. East Asians participants tended to focus on the eyes of the other person, while Western subjects took in the whole face, including the eyes and the mouth." Interestingly, the researchers point out that the emoticons used online by the two groups reflect this difference.
Took a PHD to figure this out? (Score:2)
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Maybe, but anecdotal summaries aren't acceptable as evidence in scientific circles.
Besides, the article is a paper published in Current Biology, not a PhD thesis.
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Not to mention it works on a considerably small sample with only 26 participants. Though it didn't mention what the stats were of the experiment itself I can't imagine the study being sound without further survey...
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old news [scienceblogs.com]
In other news..... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Yep.
I'd argue that it's much more diverse than "Eastern" and "Western". You can see the differences of emotional perception and demonstration/manifestation even between the (say) East Coast and Midwest of the US.
Interesting (Score:5, Funny)
^_^
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Cross Culture: (.)(.)
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Why are those eyes downcast?
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Gravity
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Prefered...
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or
( ]i[ )
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(ovo)
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(ovo)<^>
I suppose I fail then.. (Score:2)
I don't grok this one, and since we can't google punctuation....
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Cross Culture: (.)(.)
(.Y.)
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"Filter error: Please use fewer 'junk' characters."
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Pair of tits or a pair of buns? :)
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^_^
The interesting thing is, even though that's not a common emoticon in the west, it is pretty readily identifiable as a "happy" icon. I wonder if easterners also have automatic recognition of :-) ?
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But I wonder if that isn't because most of us in the West have seen enough Eastern-produced (I guess usually Japanese) cartoons
I guess that could be the case. I've seen my fair share of anime (going all the way back to Voltron) that it could have biased what I perceived.
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What is this lousy glyph for "broken rickshaw" doing there?
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The only reason I recognise it is because of the similar but very exaggerated (and therefore very noticeable) expression used in anime.
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it is pretty readily identifiable as a "happy" icon
I always thought it was surprise or disappointment. It looks like a straight mouth with raised eyebrows.
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I don't think that looks happy at all, it looks confused and surprised.
The JRPGs are starting to make sense now... (Score:2)
It's the eyes! Nothing else matters!
Nothing to say but... (Score:2)
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Though, really, :-)
Is it that surprising ? (Score:1, Interesting)
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It's interesting in that some expressions are universal due to a biological basis, but some are cultural. Previously, some anthropologists assumed they were all cultural, but this has been shown otherwise. See the work of Paul Ekman [wikipedia.org].
Happiness or Anger? (Score:2, Interesting)
It's interesting in that some expressions are universal due to a biological basis, but some are cultural.
Quite true.
Smiling with teeth for humans is a universal expression of happiness. Or at least near universal. But for most other mammals, showing teeth is a sign of aggression and anger.
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I don't smile much at work. When I smile, especially a big toothy smile, I've been told that I look like a serial killer who's decided "This is the day to kill all of you.", and very excited about it.
And no... I've never turned an office into a crime scene. I save my hobbies for the off-hours. :)
I guess they just see me from the animalistic view, and not the human social view. Funny that, I'm really a nice guy. I promise. I don't suggest attempting to argue
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Your hide will make a fine poncho! [basicinstructions.net]
You actually need the opposite advice from that link. :-)/^_^ (your choice)
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From what I understand from those who did honestly figure out I'm not a homicidal maniac, before noon, I look like the top right frame. After noon, once the caffeine finally kicks in, I look like the bottom left frame.
The major differences are, I lost the goatee years ago, and I still have hair, but it's usually cut in a military "high and tight", which I guess doesn't help much either. That just gives people the impression that I have military training to back up the psychot
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I don't smile much at work. When I smile, especially a big toothy smile, I've been told that I look like a serial killer who's decided "This is the day to kill all of you.", and very excited about it.
A guy I work with is a bit like that. He scuttles around the office at a bit of a run with a stressed smile on his face suggesting he is in the middle of committing a mass murder.
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Similar Article (Metro) (Score:5, Interesting)
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As a psychology student I can already tell you that the idea of "universal expression" only lives on in pop culture, the idea was invalidated in science a fair while ago. While it is debatable whether emotions are natural or culturally generated it is complete uncontroversial to say that expression of emotion is culturally bound.
Just look at something like Amok [wikipedia.org] in Malaysia.
Additionally there have been many studies that show a difference between how Westerners view faces and how non-Westerners do. This study is only interesting in that it puts forward an answer as to why the difference might exist. This is a major issue in psychology because so much research has used white male college students as subjects.
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I have not personally heard this, and everything I've heard contradicts that. What is this [cornell.edu]?
Finally, the study in the article establishes that faces are READ differently, not that people are making different facial expressions. This is a big difference from the headline being given, but that's science reporting for you.
Facial expressions are, for the most part, universal; from what I see Ekman's studies have for the most part still held up. What are you basing your claim that the idea of universal facial expressions has been "invalidated by science a fair while ago?"
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According to a funny news report years ago, personal experience, and
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=8162152 [go.com]
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090729/0022035691.shtml [techdirt.com]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_as/as_odd_japan_smile_meter_4 [yahoo.com]
the Japanese have relatively recently become obsessed with learning how to smile to live up to the Western culture standard. In the show I watched, Japanese businessmen had learned to never smile or show much emotion... supposedly doing so was considered w
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"he Japanese have relatively recently become obsessed with learning how to smile to live up to the Western culture standard."
That doesn't mean the way emotions are translated into facial expressions are culturally based. Rather the opposite. It simply means a particular culture may try to suppress the existing expressions.
If the Japanese thought smiling westerners weren't happy but, say, wanted to eat them, THAT would indicate that facial expressions are culturally based.
running amok, aka "going postal" (Score:2)
this is running amok:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_down [wikipedia.org]
in other words, running amok is nothing unique to malay culture, its just their term for it, like the americans call it going postal. all cultures have dudes who, for various reasons, external and internal, crack and start murdering left and right without apparent warning
give me any example of a behavior "unique" to a certain culture, and you can, if you are intellectualy honest, find examples of that behavior in every other culture under differe
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This is a major issue in psychology because so much research has used white male college students as subjects.
They should quit paying participants with cheap beer to attract a more diverse pool of rats.
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"Just look at something like Amok [wikipedia.org] in Malaysia."
Did you mean to link to something else, or did you fail to read down to the part where the article notes expressions describing the phenomenon in other cultures around the world, including our own?
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>>According to the article, only 13 Europeans and 13 people from China, Japan and Korea were asked to put a series of faces into categories such as sad and surprised
Oh, social science. What *can't* you prove?
I don't buy it (Score:2, Interesting)
In order to convince me, they'd have to find that East Asians form expressions with just their eyes that other East Asians can pick up more easily than Westerners. It makes no sense that East Asians can't read each other's facial expressions.
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In fact it is the crinkling of the eyes are what differentiates a genuine smile, also known as a Duchenne smile [wikipedia.org], from a fake smile. The presence of subtle and involuntary muscle movements is a vital (if subconscious) aspect to correctly interpreting body language and facial expressions (Incidentally, this loss of subtle muscle expressions is also [part of] what makes Botox abusers look more fake and disingenuous.)
This is not news... (Score:3, Interesting)
Misleading title (Score:5, Insightful)
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The article answers that question -- the Easterners tested (a whopping sample of 13 people) tended to identify expressions as less-socially-threatening alternatives. So, surprise instead of fear or disgust, for example.
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If the sample size had been larger, the conclusions of this study might have had some value. The only value this study might have is as a test of methodology(using eye movement tracke
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Well, hold on.
If East Asians misread fear as surprise, it means that the expression of fear is universal, but East Asians (at least those in this study) don't read the signs that separate fear from surprise.
That doesn't follow. If we grant that East Asians experience fear, and are capable of expressing it to each other through faces (both of which seem trivially obvious), then the point would be "the signs that separate fear from surprise" are not universal -- or otherwise put, if not everybody recognizes something, then that something isn't really universal.
The reference face used to represent fear is not universally perceived as such -- but the expression isn't personally handed down by God as
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The article explicitly says that East Asians misread fear as surprise. In order to reach the conclusion you are reaching another study must be done. Which is actually what I would like to see, a study looking to see how accurately Westerners perceive emotions on the faces of East Asians and how accurately East Asians perceive the emotions on the faces of Westerners.
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I don't think you're seeing what I'm saying.
The article says that the East Asians misread a standardized "fear" face as surprise. If this was not a sincerely felt emotion, i.e. the person making the face wasn't *actually* afraid (as seems likely to me, especially since the article says that sincerely-felt emotions do read as universal), then we could just as easily say that the Western scientists misread a surprise face as fear when they labeled the reference face.
From this evidence, we cannot claim that o
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The study does not give us any evidence that the faces of East Asians actually express emotion differently, only that they read the facial expression of emo
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the expression isn't personally handed down by God as The Official Expression Of Fear.
True, but this study didn't say that facial expressions aren't global -- that was the Slashdot summary's misinterpretation.
In fact, after watching Lie To Me, which seems to be based on some real science [wikipedia.org], I would suspect that while that expression is not necessarily going to be exactly the same, that facial expressions are, in fact, universal.
In any case, this study was entirely about the perception of expressions, not the expressions themselves.
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So, surprise instead of fear or disgust, for example.
There was a blurb in an issue of Scientific American, and they found an impression bias among democrats and republicans by using the image of a man sufficiently blurred to look either surprised (or was it confused?) or angry. Democrats more often saw the confused face, republicans saw the anger.
Lie To Me? (Score:1)
A difference, you say? (Score:5, Funny)
but then I \(^o^)/
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At first I was (:^O)
but then I \(^o^)/
You moved from Facebook to Twitter?
Tracking and expression aren't the same thing (Score:5, Informative)
This is about differences in how cultures track expressions, not in the expressions themselves. There's long been solid evidence that basic facial expressions are universal across human cultures, in their natural form. So if you're really smiling, it's the same muscles involved in much the same way, no matter what culture you're in. However, people also pretend to smile when it's not real. It's long been know that counterfeit expressions don't use all the same muscles, or the same overall pattern. People can be trained to spot this difference quite effectively.
Now, with this recent research showing that different cultures monitor expressions differently, this implies that good counterfeiting is going to be specific to which monitoring patterns it is trying to fool. That would be interesting research. It should show, for instance, that people are better at counterfeiting expressions to other people from their same culture. People from another culture should be better at seeing through your counterfeit expressions than people from your own culture, if that other culture focuses on different parts of the face than yours.
That cultures would focus differently fits with the extensive research on "joint attention." From infancy, we're wired to look at what we see other people looking at. We're very, very good a adopting the perceptual patterns of those around us, at a level that's almost automatic.
But contra the broad claim here, genuine emotions expressed through facial expressions are not culture-specific, but universal to humanity, essentially genetic.
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This is about differences in how cultures track expressions, not in the expressions themselves. There's long been solid evidence that basic facial expressions are universal across human cultures, in their natural form.
Yes, but it's not just tracking, it's usage of expressions as you allude to. Do not think that because a Japanese man is smiling at you that he is expressing happiness. He could just as easily be expressing anger or sadness. It's similar to the way the Japanese avoid saying "no." "Yes" in Japanese is "hai" (pronounced somewhat like "Hi" in english.) A short "hai" might not indicate agreement, but simply acknowledgement much like we use 'Okay." A medium "hai" will indicate agreement, but a long drawn-out
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Actually, from studying Japanese, I can tell you that the myth of Japanese not saying 'no' is just that: a myth.
A Japanese person will most certainly not use 'ie'. However, there are multiple other ways to say no in Japanese, most usually by using the negative forms of a verb, '-nai' or '-arimasen' or a negating particle. The drawn out 'hai' is but one method of politely saying 'no'.
Mart
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The same way they know that many songbirds have a language and apes don't is that a deaf songbird will not sing the same way as its parents, whereas a normal songbird will. Apes, however, make the same grunting whether deaf or not.
Ask a few blind people, cross-culturally, to make expressions depicting puzzlement, concern, frustration, fatigue, pride, lust etc -- things a little more complex than a smile, frown, or l
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Mod up. Great idea! Hopefully some researcher will see this.
Massive Sample Size (Score:1)
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ANGER. FEAR. SURPRISE. SADNESS. JOY. DISGUST.
These six emotional responses produce identical facial expressions globally, including interactions of these (surprise + joy at a gift opening, frinstance), as long as that's the only input. Anything more, and the facial expression as well as interpretation of it (say, pride mixed in since the gift was from your child who made it by hand being mixed with the other two), is open to cultural differences.
That was a single paragraph summary of facial expressions, glo
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Wut? Where is "intrigued" or "dubious" in all of this?
ah, the inscrutable asian and the volatile gaijin (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.csupomona.edu/~tassi/gestures.htm [csupomona.edu]
mutual incomprehensibility
Duh? (Score:1, Interesting)
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Bad examples... (Score:4, Insightful)
Comparing caricatures with realistic depiction of humans? Come on... That ain't even a proper straw-man.
Try these instead:
Japanse Spiderman manga [dtaweb.com] vs. American Spiderman Comic. [flickr.com]
Note how lips, nostrils and ears are generally [dtaweb.com] unarticulated (particularly noses and ears that often are not present at all, or are just hinted) and how much more detailed american [blogspot.com] (comic) faces are.
On the other hand... manga artists attribute much greater attention to eyes and hair.
You can tell the character by his/her eyes immediately.
Bigger and more detailed the eyes - more innocent the character. Slits with a tiny dot for a pupil - evil fucker.
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Naah... (Score:2)
He just keeps them closed. [photobucket.com] You know... playing it cool. [tripod.com]
co-author site (Score:4, Informative)
Here is the site of one of the co-authors:
http://www.psy.gla.ac.uk/staff/index.php?id=RJ002 [gla.ac.uk]
The article in question is not quite published yet:
Jack, R. E., Blais, C., Scheepers, C., Schyns, P. G., & Caldara, R. (in press) Cultural Confusions Show Facial Expressions are Not Universal Current Biology
Here is an earlier one using the same methodologies (PDF):
http://www.psy.gla.ac.uk/docs/download.php?type=PUBLS&id=1404 [gla.ac.uk]
It is about where western and eastern people look at faces using eye tracking when for example learning or recognizing a face. There were some subtle differences.
It's bunk. (Score:2)
There are two facial expressions that have the same universal meaning in every culture, expressed with the emotions of joy and disgust. Everything else has a cultural-context to varying degrees, but if you eat something that tastes horrible -- that face you make will be understood by anyone.
2-year-old repost? (Score:2)
Re: emoticons and east asia (japan) focusing on eyes:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/07/05/13/059239/Culture-Determines-Which-Emoticon-You-Use [slashdot.org]
So we should nuke them then? (Score:2)
See, they aren't like us, after all. Probably not even the same type of insect. We butterflies must not let the moths prevail. Ready the nuclear cannons, and prepare for the ultimate war!
Anyone worked with Indians? (Score:3, Interesting)
They way they shake their heads when saying yes completely fucks with my mind every time!
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Definitions (Score:4, Insightful)
Given that the test was given to people from different backgrounds, they likely grew up speaking different languages. Even though presumably the East Asian subjects may have learned English, their understandings of some English words may be based on translations of their native words, and the words may not be exact matches.
One might suggest that this problem can be dodged by asking the subjects for a suggested physical response rather than for a word. Instead of "Is this person feeling 'fear' or 'surprise'" you might ask "Is this person thinking of running away or is this person thinking that he didn't expect what just happened" but even then cultural expectations about behavior would play a heavy role.
Anime Eyes (Score:2, Insightful)
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So maybe there really *is* a reason that Japanese Anime is drawn with such large eyes.
Yes it's because Disney did it first when they made Bambi.
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smilies (Score:1, Funny)
My favorite is when I receive emails from Office Managers or non informed employees who have smiley programs installed and think that everyone can see their smilies that I receive as a capital letter 'J'
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I was wondering where those Js were coming from! I'd recently noticed them popping up in emails from people, where a smiley emoticon was clearly intended (given the tone of the preceding comment). I thought maybe someone decided a J looked like a smile of some sort, but I thought it just looked dumb.
-Mike
Irrelevant sample (Score:1)
13 + 13 people? And results from such utterly irrelevant sample are supposed to make news?
Yeah, Slashdot, 'stuff that matters" indeed.
I want to see a follow up (Score:1)
watch a Bruce Lee movie (Score:2)
I could have told you that just from watching kung fu movies.
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