Google Announces Project 10^100 Winners 133
Kilrah_il writes with news that Google has selected winners for Project 10^100, a contest to find the best ideas to change the world. Among the winners is the Khan Academy, which we've discussed previously. Google is "providing $2 million to support the creation of more courses and to enable the Khan Academy to translate their core library into the world’s most widely spoken languages." The other winning projects are: FIRST, an organization fostering math and science education through team competition; Public.Resource.Org, a government transparency effort focused on online access to public documents; Shweeb, a silly-looking method of human-powered urban transit; and the African Institute for Mathematical Sciences, a center aimed at promoting graduate-level math and science education in Africa.
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KHAAAAN!
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I didn't believe Google had really gone evil until I learned they're funding the imperial agenda of science fiction villains.
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I think the worst part about the whole thing is that movie started Kirstie Alley's "acting" career.
One of the best sites (Score:2)
KhanAcademy is one of my favorite sites. It constantly reminds me of how much I have forgotten while at the same time rewarding me for the time I spend on it. I think every parent should encourage their kids to use the site, hell every parent of a school age child should have this site bookmarked for their own use as well.
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Interesting Ideas (Score:5, Insightful)
We tend not to like travelling because it’s uncomfortable, there’s not much space, not enough leg room, we spend our time stuck in traffic or on a broken down train... and we are completely powerless to do anything about it.
The design principles of Shweeb aim to put you, the traveller, back in control of your own space, time and power.
Their design seems to consist of locking oneself in a suspended bubble and peddling your way to your destination. So....to clarify, they talk about the problems of transportation including not having enough leg room or space, and their solution is for you to lock yourself in a bubble....hmmmmm.
Honestly, after looking at that project, I have to ask, "Why the hell wouldn't I just walk to my destination? Or ride my bike?"
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And the bubbles are on a track. Can you even pass a slower-moving Schweeb?
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You're assuming a lack of parallel tracks. This is not a unique problem. The same issue faces roads -- you can't pass someone if there's only one lane.
If we're assuming only one track, then passing is not the largest issue -- going in the *other direction* is.
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Re:Interesting Ideas (Score:5, Informative)
The Shweeb FAQ [shweeb.com] addresses this question, and the answer is hilarious:
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What if a bunch of people refuse to pedal; say 9/10 refuse to pedal, would the system still work?
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There are no brakes. Seriously, they're not needed.
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Not on the pods, no. There is the necessary break on the rail at destination.
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Even that is pretty minimal (but yes, I'm sure it is present). They have a 2 meter increase in height when you go into the terminal station, so it converts most of your speed into potential energy, which is then used by the next person to get started. If you're going too slow to make it up the 2 meter incline, there's a conveyor system that will help pull you up.
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Back in my day, they didn't have brakes.
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What if a bunch of people refuse to pedal; say 9/10 refuse to pedal, would the system still work?
The Democrats seem to think so.
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What if a bunch of people refuse to pedal; say 9/10 refuse to pedal, would the system still work?
Yep, but not immediately. The people who don't pedal won't be getting enough cardio and will die sooner.
It's the darwin solution to transportation problems.
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They get arrested by the shweeb police.
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However I'm gu
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Every 100 pods send an 'autonomous' with a simple electric motor. It clears the track and can serve to 'circulate' and expedite any backup.
You won't need a passing lane. And as for lazy commuters, take a look at the DC metro. There are enough people in a hurry that if you are lounging on the left of the escalator you will get yelled at to 'stand on the right'. And there are definately enough people in a hurry that they would gladly push anyone in front of them on these Schweeb things.
That said, every 10
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But then, wouldn't a lot of people simply wait to be pushed by the electric shweeb?
No. See my comment regarding the DC metro. In any urban area, there will be people in a hurry, they will be pushing as well. You can see this exact same thing on Escalators, most people will walk or even run up them. Never underestimate the untapped potential of a power commuter
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They address many of these issues in the FAQ if you follow the link:
>and head-to-tail collisions would be a real problem.
There are long springy bumpers of some sort to make this impact very gentle. The energy is used to push the first driver ahead, it is not dissipated.
>And if you are moving in a chain of schweebs, there will be the inevitable lazy guy somewhere in the chain not pedaling or pretending to pedal, so someone else will do all the work.
This is a problem to an extent. However because of t
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It looks like Schweeb has managed to avoid all of these virtues. So, uh, what's left? The bubble might make an okay windshield in the rain, maybe.
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The bubble might make an okay windshield in the rain, maybe.
I'm living in an equatorial zone, and it sure looks like a mini greenhouse tube to me. Sure they talk about ventilation holes, but I'm not convinced...
Anyway, overall it looks like a stupid idea. Not sure why it won a prize.
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I'm living in an equatorial zone, and it sure looks like a mini greenhouse tube to me. Sure they talk about ventilation holes, but I'm not convinced...
Transport fantasies should obey certain rules.
If your encapsulated cyclists can't climb hills and the service is useful only three months out of twelve, you have a carnival ride.
Go directly to The Fairgrounds, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
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You should read their faq,
Honestly, after looking at that project, I have to ask, "Why the hell wouldn't I just walk to my destination? Or ride my bike?"
On firm, flat ground, a 70kg man requires about 100 watts to walk at 5km/h. The power required to move a Shweeb along a rail at 20km/h is only 33 watts. We rest our case!
33W is nothing, you could do 33W in a business suit for 20 minutes and not break a sweat. This efficiency also ties into the passing problem, since the top speed is limited to 25km/h for safety reasons and 25km/h can easily be reached with considerably less effort than walking the main lines should always be moving at top speed. There are apparently bumpers on the front and back of each bubble that make hitting even a stationary bubble at that speed safe and comfortable, at which
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Honestly, after looking at that project, I have to ask, "Why the hell wouldn't I just walk to my destination? Or ride my bike?"
Because it's below freezing or above 95F, or raining maybe?
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So when it's 95F you want to be in a nearly airtight transparent plastic bubble? Seriously? Think about it for a minute.
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Well, it had better not be airtight or you'll sufficate. But it would have to be air conditioned or it's a non-starter.
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In 35 degrees you could simply have a combination of tinted windows, ventilation and solar powered assistance or air conditioning.
HEAT vs Shweeb (Score:1)
I can just imagine a network of these in Phoenix Arizona on a typical +100F day.... they would be plucking heat stroke victims out of the sky. You could make a reality TV show on that alone.... Shweeb Rescue Network.
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Honestly, after looking at that project, I have to ask, "Why the hell wouldn't I just walk to my destination? Or ride my bike?"
Because you can't get sustained 70kps with bicycles without shortening the average lifespan.
So....to clarify, they talk about the problems of transportation including not having enough leg room or space, and their solution is for you to lock yourself in a bubble....hmmmmm.
Yes- you can stretch your legs in the pod, which you can't in all trains/buses. "Bubble" is misleading- it's not spherical. It's more of a rounded coffin, but far roomier and not claustrophobic. As for locking, yes, it's probably a good idea when suspended in the air moving at that speed, to ensure that you don't fall out.
There's obviously room for adaptation to mass-market, which might just benefit from, say, I d
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Because you can go a lot faster this way? And not get killed by a car.
You must be of very limited vision.
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Or stuck behind that broken down sweeb, or swearing for overshooting your stop and having to go around the "monorail"
I wonder how one changes path. I can see overtaking will be fun.
It is interesting that he considers a feature that if you get stuck behind a slow coach, you can just push him along and go faster than if the two where peddling alone. Not sure how he does his physics. I'd go faster if I wasnt stuck behind this dude. On the other hand
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Seriously. That's the best you can come up with? I agree that it's completely oblivious to reality, if that's what you meant by "the most forward-looking vision".
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What would you have picked then?
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The idea is so stupid that I had to put my thinking cap on. Why would google pick something soooo stupid.
Then it occurred to me, make these powered, provide power over these rails, a mechanism to drop on/off the rail queue and it just might work. Even better if you can program drop off point in advance.
Imagine, getting up in he morning, sitting in your bubble, choose destination and take a nap.
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Perhaps you could elaborate on what you think the problems are? But first look at their FAQ [shweeb.com]. You'll probably find it addresses whatever problems you think it has.
Having gone through their website, I think it sounds very clever and entirely practical. Compared to the light rail systems currently used in many cities, it would be less expensive to build and less expensive to operate, would require less land, would be safer, and would get you to your destination faster. What do you see as the practical prob
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Actually, a problem that's conspicuosly absent is: what happens on a steep downhill? Sure, the gearing is limited to 25 kph but then... if the gearing is fixed, you'll need to push your feet backwards to make it go slower (bad for your knees), or else revolve your feet like crazy. If there's a freewheel of some kind, that problem is solved, but in either case, you may encounter "traffic" at the bottom of hill, at a much bigger delta-v than the thing was designed for.
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Point taken. It's just that where I live, that would pretty much be a non-starter.
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10^100 Winners (Score:3, Funny)
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With 10^100 winners it brings a whole new meaning to 'everyone's a winner!'
Woohoo! I won 1.47058824 × 10^93 times!
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both 10^100 and 1.47058824 × 10^93 seem to be overestimated for number of winners.
Even if each and every elementary particle in the universe won.
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Shweeb (Score:2)
These ideas will save humanity (Score:4, Informative)
1. Cowboy Neal breeds with Britney Spears, embryo placed on next Voyager spacecraft
2. Duke Nukem Forever gets released on the iPhone
3. Cached copies of goatse.cx for all mankind
4. Raze Hope College to get rid of the world riff-raff
5. Rename the GPL,the GNU Pubic License, just for the Lulz.
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5. Rename the GPL,the GNU Pubic License, just for the Lulz.
So that would be: GNUPL's Not a Unix Public License?
Congratulations to Sal and his team! (Score:2)
Awesome! (Score:2)
When is 10^100...2?
I've no complaints about the method or the results. Concept proven, do it more.
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Does Apple or Microsoft do stuff like this? How about Oracle? If they don't why not?
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Microsoft wouldn't know a good idea if it bit them on the ass these days.
Oracle has contests like this and then they try to figure out ways to sue the winners.
Steve Jobs thinks everyone else's ideas suck.
I kid
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I just keep hearing how "evil" Google is becoming... but they do stuff like this when nobody else seems to. These types of projects are the kinds of things an idealistic socialist government would do... yet here's a capitalist organisation doing them.
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Lots of corporations hold / promote / back activities that do not provide an immediate return on the bottom line. If you're looking for tax deductions anyway you might as well go with something that you care about and gets you some good PR in the process.
Not saying that that makes it any less "good" or idealistic, just that it really isn't all that uncommon.
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So... why doesn't Microsoft do this?
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Why don't we ever hear about any of these?
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South Africa is doing OK. Its the rest of Africa that needs the help. Ooops.
Too Much Hype for the Khan Academy! (Score:2, Interesting)
I applaud Khan's effort and I'm sure the videos do help some people but I draw the line at it deserving a two million dollar grant for growth. What are these videos other than direct instruction (i.e. the traditional lecture)? We have a lot of evidence that direct instruction is a very inefficient way to learn
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Could they not play these in schools? Meaning instead of a real teacher in each class you only need maybe a student who knows the material already?
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Seems like they would cost a lost more than videos.
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But your larger point is exactly what I was trying to convey! No one knows how best to use these videos and that is what we should spend money discovering before sending them out to the world.
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I agree that watching lectures online is not the most effective way to gain a true mastery of knowledge. It's also true that there are some subjects which require access to lab equipment and other physically expensive or rare materials. It's worth looking into ways to make it more effective and it will still be a very long time before people such as hiring managers will be convinced of the credibility of self-taught students. But it IS an excellent way to prime yourself for an upcoming class by seeing some
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I should add that there is some degree of absurdity in criticizing this material for its inadequacy at teaching people who do not want to learn.
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But it IS an excellent way to prime yourself for an upcoming class by seeing some example problems, or simply to gain an introductory level knowledge through recorded survey-type courses requiring little technical background (iTunes U has a lot of this kind of material).
No and that's the point. There is nothing to say that this is a good way to introduce anyone to the subject. It might be but we have no way of knowing short of conducting research on the problem.
This isn't the same as Wikipedia, which is a resource designed to serve as a reference. These videos are meant to teach and must bear the burden of being able to do so.
No matter who the learner is, there will be some better and some worse ways to learn something. How do you know that this is a good way to
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Less-than optimal teaching methods are nothing new to any form of education. That is hardly justification to discourage their use in the absence of better methods, especially when the less-than-optimal methods are vastly more accessible and largely accurate. Research into the human brain's powers of cognition, learning, intelligence and emotion are likely to be an ongoing research area in science for the breadth of human civilization. I wouldn't advise waiting for their resolution to begin making those frui
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I should clarify: "in the absence of better methods available to the student."
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the absence of better methods
There are plenty of NEW and possibly better methods awaiting funding.
I wouldn't advise waiting for their resolution to begin making those fruits available for consumption.
Excellent. Neither would I. How do you feel about scientific research? Do you think it's a good idea or do you hate that it holds things up? I mean, would you like to take a potential drug cure before its trial?
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Really? These funds aren't your tax dollars. They are Google's private contribution. If congress had decided to give Khan $2m you would have a real position to debate their judgment.
Research is the expansionist force at the boundaries of science. It's critical to understanding the previously unknown. We're talking about a man making instructional videos about foundational math and science and making it available for free to the world with no strings attached. Your position is that this is somehow /dangerous
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His position is somewhat milder than that, he is simply arguing that his opinions about what to do with the money are better than Google's. Of course, given that Google is the one with the money, this argument isn't worth a great deal.
Not Enough Hype for the Khan Academy! (Score:5, Interesting)
As a person who graduated from a major state college with a minor in math about 3 years ago, I really wish I had even one math teacher in my entire schooling experience who was even half as good of a teacher as Salmon Khan. I've gone over his Calculus videos, because I felt my Calculus skills were lacking, as I'd originally been taught by a lady who could just barely speak English. In my opinion, these videos represent a better educational experience than about 95% of the school that I've attended. I've had a few better classes in person, but most "teachers" are barely qualified, in my personal experience.
Something to understand about Khan's videos, they can be helpful to anyone who can speak English. There are numerous reports of it being a useful tool for students in Africa. Many students have used it to pass the California Algebra I standards test. I suppose there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that it's effective, nobody's done a major study yet.
About a month ago, Slashdot posted an article [slashdot.org] about a 578 million dollar high school being built. Now you're demonizing Google for giving 1/289th that amount to an institution that will likely reach 50+ times the audience, who are probably more in need of a better education anyway? I don't think that makes any sense at all.
In the business world, two million dollars is chump change. Angel investors throw a lot more money than that at an idea without scientific evidence of it working. This seems like an excellent opportunity to throw a little money at an interesting education opportunity, and see how it pays off.
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This seems like an excellent opportunity to throw a little money at an interesting education opportunity, and see how it pays off.
Where is anyone talking about see how this 'pays off'? How do you tell if it 'pays off'? Anecdotal evidence is just that and not the substitute for a scientific evaluation. How about we spend some of the money to explore that?
Now you're demonizing Google for giving 1/289th that amount to an institution that will likely reach 50+ times the audience, who are probably more in need of a better education anyway?
Don't you think that something that has the potential to reach a much wider audience should be carefully tested before released into the wild?
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This seems like an excellent opportunity to throw a little money at an interesting education opportunity, and see how it pays off.
Where is anyone talking about see how this 'pays off'? How do you tell if it 'pays off'? Anecdotal evidence is just that and not the substitute for a scientific evaluation. How about we spend some of the money to explore that?
The payoff is in the improved education of people who choose to use the Khan Academy to supplement their education. If it's popular, someone will likely fund a study to see how effective it is. Google apparently believes in it enough that they're willing to fund the site directly, rather than a study of it.
Now you're demonizing Google for giving 1/289th that amount to an institution that will likely reach 50+ times the audience, who are probably more in need of a better education anyway?
Don't you think that something that has the potential to reach a much wider audience should be carefully tested before released into the wild?
No. While I definitely agree that mandatory class material should be tested, I don't think anyone's talking about making Khan Academy mandatory. Everything on the Internet has the potential to reach
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Don't you think that something that has the potential to reach a much wider audience should be carefully tested before released into the wild?
No, I don't think so. As Khan Academy isn't funded by government, its supporters are completely eligible to decide whether it's a worthile prohect or not.
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Exactly right. I'm currently learning linear algebra from Khan Academy because I never needed to take the classes in school, and the instruction and explanation is a lot better than in 95% of my high school and college courses. For one guy to go to the trouble of making hundreds of videos to teach people this stuff for free is incredible and people should be throwing more than 2 million bucks at him.
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The whole point is that the academy does not adhere to the rules of modern mass schooling. The people using it are self-seeking knowledge for their own reasons, not being force-fed the formula needed to pass this week's federally-mandated test. Each person can proceed at their own pace. That's an efficiency that cannot be realized in the modern classroom. Scientific testing is not necessary at this point, partly because there are proven success stories amongst the site's users and partly because the site is
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You have valid points, and I wish you had logged in. Yours is one of the best comments I've seen here in a while. It doesn't have to be that way though.
Suppose one of the many proposed voucher systems was implemented, along with requirements for private schools similar to those of equal opportunity housing. If the average private school tuition doubled, it would still be barely over half the average cost of a public school student. Students and parents would have a choice of schools, something that tends to
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Obvious he isn't otherwise he'd still be doing it.
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Not only this but the GP fails to account for the medium it is being transferred over. How is it a very ineffective way to learn something over the internet for people seeking out the information in the first place. Absolute nonsense.
Project ZERO? 10^100 = 0 (Score:2)
...to a C programmer, anyway.
Oh, yeh, Goog doesn't do that any more, I heard.
That, and they're getting out of the search indexing business.
Right Idea, Wrong Focus (Score:1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate [wikipedia.org]
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All the NGOs are setting up primary schools*. I for one welcome the support of higher education of technology in Africa. And South-Africa is still not a first world country yet (rather second world), and it actually can have more impact to its neighbours than we can.
*which usually doesnt translate to better job opportunities or more innovation; and usually there's a serious lack of vocational schools
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Wrong. I've participated in FIRST since its inception at my high school two years ago, and the only thing that's "forced" on you is the goal to build the best damn robot you can while being polite and helpful to other teams at the meets. The teams are not required to use Labview, as there have been code libraries developed for both Java and C++ in the past. Last year in fact, we had a program in Java developed in part with another team and we were helped by several other teams at the meet who helped us o
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So you arrive at the drop off station after you've drawn a penis on the thing, they notice and they call the police. What's the problem?