Today's WikiLeaks News 312
In today's episode of As WikiLeaks Turns we learn that WikiLeaks's main web site is back up less than 10 days after EveryDNS terminated the domain name over stability concerns. A 16-year-old Dutch boy suspected of being involved in the pro-WikiLeaks attacks on MasterCard and Visa has been arrested. But Dutch teenagers aren't the only Assange fans in the news. Many top journalists in Australia have sent a letter(PDF) to Prime Minister Julia Gillard today to express their support of WikiLeaks. The Sydney Police have written their own letter however to organizers of a pro-WikiLeaks rally saying that the police oppose a planned demonstration. Finally, special correspondent for The Times, Alexi Mostrous and freelance reporter Heather Brooke were given permission by the judge in the Julian Assange trial to post Twitter updates about the proceedings.
Looks like the makings of another spectrial... (Score:2)
This time with more than just the pirate parties involved.
but still-- "Police oppose a planned demonstration?" I will have to read the linked article, because that is some fishy sounding shit.
Hasty Assembly Permit (Score:5, Insightful)
This time with more than just the pirate parties involved.
but still-- "Police oppose a planned demonstration?" I will have to read the linked article, because that is some fishy sounding shit.
Let me help you:
The assistant commissioner added that without a court notice authorising the rally, protesters and organisers would not have the support of the NSW Police Service.
I don't know about Australia but in America you need a permit after your party gets to be a certain size on public property. The assistant commissioner stated:
"Under Section 26 of the Summary Offences Act, I am advising you that I oppose the holding of your public assembly,"
Doesn't that just sound like some fishy shit? Not supported by the NSW Police Service because you don't have a permit? Or massive government conspiracy?
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It's opposed because they didn't properly prepare for it and the police are not obligated to support it so if things get ugly for whatever reason, people may get out of control and hurt. And if you march on streets that are normally occupied by vehicles without police support, you're going to get hit with obstruction offenses. The police don't oppose it, the assistant commissioner said that they oppose it because they didn't follow the law to get authorization to assembly. All this is going down immediately (this evening). The complaint from the commissioner is that the paperwork wasn't submitted in a timely manner.
When I was in Boyscout Troop 238, we would apply for the right to assembly when we had larger functions in the town's parks weeks or months ahead of time. And it's not because Big Oil wanted us stopped
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I can understand that-- (I have read the linked article now, btw. I posted in true slashdot tradition by not reading it first.)
But I would follow up your post a little-- I don't know about Australia, but in the US we also have these 'nosebleed section' areas that the local politicians call "free speech zones." [wikipedia.org] The fact that these even exist at all speaks contrary to the "No, the current enforcement is good and wholesome, if you would just file the paperwork on time!" rhetoric.
Like all galvanized media eve
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I am not very well versed in that concept, but I did see this sentence in the article.
The police offered alternatives including holding a static protest, marching an alternate route or holding the march at another time.
So the police tried to help them out. But the protestors simply didn't want to listen. It's like any other major city thoroughfare - if you want to march down, say, third avenue in New York or Broad Street in Philadelphia or Theobald's Road in the Bloomsbury section of London, it's disruptive and has to be properly planned out. Detours and road closures so you don't get carnage, for instance.
Isn't that the same thing? (Score:3)
It worries me that people feel the government is entitled to determine when, where, and how protests are held. It seems to me that controlling those aspects of a demonstration is as damaging as preventing it outright.
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If you're trying to make an organized event/march in good faith, then it pays to go ahead do things by the books. Its not that the police get to determine when/where your protest is, but if you're not trying to screw over everyone else in the city by sucking up roads, or if you don't want your people to get hurt because traffic is coming and the cops aren't there to block them, then cooperation is key. Of course, if your intent is mischief or mayhem, then of course, don't bother. But that might hurt, so
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It is not "the government" that determines this. It is a local governing body. They determine what can and can not be done with property the citizens own collectively, i.e. public property. Do you only support property rights for certain classes of owners? If this were a mall, would you dispute the mall owner's right to limit who does what, when, inside the mall? The people of a particular city have a right to say, "We don't want protesters blocking our streets unless they get a permit so the police can rou
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Something fishy about that. If the problem is lack of a permit, how are two of those three alternatives any different?
Re:Hasty Assembly Permit (Score:5, Insightful)
Because the lack of a permit is not the actual problem. The permit is just one solution to the real problem, the police offered several other solutions. Now, I bet if you stopped to think about it, you would realize what the real problem is. The real problem is, how do we fairly allocate the use of resources we share? Why should the protesters get precedence over the daily users of streets and sidewalks? It is a tricky issue, to be sure, and one I have been on both sides of. In my mind it boils down to this: either you play by the rules and try not to piss off the people you are attempting to reach with your message, or you specifically DO try to piss them off, to show how serious you are. But if you do that, you must accept the possibility that you will be inconvenienced at least as much as the people you are trying to piss off, if you get thrown in a holding cell for a few hours and have to pay a $100 fine.
Do you see how it works? Either we agree to play by the rules and hold a protest that is respectful of its audience and all the other users of public property, or we participate in civil disobedience to show how serious we are. What we do NOT do, unless we are assholes, is claim a right to disrupt other people's lives without consequence.
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So the police tried to help them out. But the protestors simply didn't want to listen. It's like any other major city thoroughfare - if you want to march down, say, third avenue in New York or Broad Street in Philadelphia or Theobald's Road in the Bloomsbury section of London, it's disruptive and has to be properly planned out. Detours and road closures so you don't get carnage, for instance.
What you are describing is a "parade" not a "protest".
Its like how I've been protesting my strata's holiday decoratio
Please be responsible (Score:3, Informative)
claes.borgstrom@advbyra.se
Thomas.bodstrom
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You're too clever. I don't see what you're doing there. Perhaps you could be a little more blatantly obvious. (You might to at least be on the same continent as the topic).
Re:Hasty Assembly Permit (Score:4, Insightful)
When I was in Boyscout Troop 238, we would apply for the right to assembly when we had larger functions in the town's parks weeks or months ahead of time. And it's not because Big Oil wanted us stopped ...
Multi-week delays are perfectly reasonable for a Boy scout troop --- they can plan their functions weeks ahead of time. However, it's absolutely not reasonable to delay peaceful political protest on issues that have an inherent component of timeliness, e.g., court cases, legislation, etc. In many cases, enforcing a delay is tantamount to preventing the assembly itself, simply by delaying it until the protest no longer has relevance.
I can't speak to UK law, but most democracies have explicitly guaranteed a freedom of assembly precisely because that right is so important, and because it's so easy to deny. Protecting the right means supporting its spirit, not just paying lip service to it.
Re:Hasty Assembly Permit (Score:4, Informative)
It's logistical support. In fairness, the original zdnet article is not particularly well written either; but if you read it carefully, it's clear enough what's going on. Here are the most important three paragraphs from the article.
The NSW Police said in a statement that the reason the assistant commissioner opposed the march in his correspondence was due to the organisers of the event failing to submit complete paperwork in a timely manner.
"The group gave one day's notice before the march saying that they intended to march on George Street to Martin Place in peak hour, but this was not acceptable to the police," the service said in a statement.
The police offered alternatives including holding a static protest, marching an alternate route or holding the march at another time.
Get that? The protestors gave one day notice that they were going to march down crowded city streets during peak hour. That is clearly not something you can just set up on a whim. The police responded that, with insufficient notice provided, they were concerned about being able to ensure the safety. Try doing a search on map george street sydney [yahoo.com] to get an idea of where they want to march.
The Australian police is not for or against the protest politically. They don't care if these people protest, but they do care that it's done in a safe manner (both for the sake of the protestors and for the sake of the general public).
Which is a long way of saying - total non-story except that the protest organizers are not especially organized, and so instead of doing things properly decided to start whining.
Re:Police, like it or not? Are "enforcers" 4 the s (Score:2)
One down (Score:5, Insightful)
tweets? Damn (Score:3, Insightful)
OMG! Ass. is up for Qs. Its gonna be bad. He's vervus. SHORT.URL?XVHEHWK
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For one, your example isn't journalism by a long shot. For another, it's only about half the Twitter limit.
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Alleged rapist and terrorist Julian Assange has been brought in for questioning. Extradition by the end of the week? #rape #terrorism #news
Bradley Manning (Score:5, Informative)
Related to this, Bradley Manning has been in solitary confinement for 5 months [salon.com]. And there doesn't seem to be an end, or even a trial, in sight.
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If he's lucky, they'll give him time served for that, but it's likely to be a sliver of his sentence.
Security systems are built on trusting the people doing the work. What he did broke that trust, and it broke a law he was reminded of every time he entered a secured area. He was trained in how to deal with improperly classified information, and instead of doing that he tossed it over the wall to someone he didn't even know, and along with it tossed a pile of properly classified information.
People making a
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:5, Interesting)
Security systems are built on trusting the people doing the work. What he did broke that trust, and it broke a law he was reminded of every time he entered a secured area. He was trained in how to deal with improperly classified information, and instead of doing that he tossed it over the wall to someone he didn't even know, and along with it tossed a pile of properly classified information.
From the linked article:
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Seriously? Someone is using him as a poster boy for a campaign against the paradox of pretrial incarceration in a free society?
That legal ship sailed a long time ago.
He's been charged. A judge has ordered him held. The law is being satisfied, as are his rights to due process.
He's not being tortured. Nobody is any more.
Fer fuck's sake, people with tiny minds have lost what little they had over this junk.
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:5, Interesting)
He's not being tortured. Nobody is any more.
You do realize that's what the USG claimed last time around, right? And then this organization named WikiLeaks documented that they were lying: [csmonitor.com]
Hopefully, if Manning is being tortured, someone on the staff there has at least a little human dignity and will let the world know. If it were you, I'm guessing you'd convince yourself that he deserved it every time you went to cash your paycheck. Because that's the type of human being you are.
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Hopefully, if Manning is being tortured, someone on the staff there has at least a little human dignity and will let the world know.
From the article you quoted, but apparently didn't read:
As you may recall, the United States isn't Iraq. Manning is not Iraqi, and is being held in the US. And, for what it is worth, Iraq is a sovereign state. The United States can influence them, but they make
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There is a lot of research on solitary confinement. A large part of that reseach qualifies it as a form of torture.
As far as I'm concerned Manning is a hero. He found out things that he didn't want any complicity in and thought the public should be aware of and took an incredible risk to follow his conscience in getting it out.
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I distinctly remember reading something about a right to a speedy and public trial, and access to council. Mr Manning has had neither.
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Yeah right. All those soldiers the US government has sent out to fight their wars over the last century knew exactly what they were getting involved in. My god what an incredibly simplistic and easy worldview you must have.
The whole reason Manning leaked the information to Wikileaks was that he hadn't realised what he had gotten involved in. Thanks in large part to the lies, duplicity and hypocrisy of the responsible politicians and the inane press that believed journalism could be equated to quoting govern
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The rules are different, but the rights in question don't go away just because he's a soldier.
Access to council: section 832. Art. 32. (b) and section 838. Art. 38. (b)
Speedy trial: section 810. Art. 10.
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The point of the article that GP quoted from is that solitary confinement of the kind he's being kept under is torture, according to most of the civilized world (and a few US court decisions, to boot).
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No. Read the link before attempting to refute it in ignorance.
He's being held in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, with limited outside contact.
That's considered torture by a lot of people -- nations, even.
Read the linked article. The author went into some detail about why it's considered torture in some places, and the deleterious effect
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Some things are more important than not breaking the law.
Without breaking the law, the "things they say are their goals" would not have gotten enough attention to do any good.
It's also important to note that the governments' reaction to them is part of their strategy to focus public attention on the problems they are trying to get fixed.
But go ahead, keep toeing that
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FTFA:
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It's almost like the military has its own laws.
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:4, Informative)
Source
Congratulations. (Score:2, Insightful)
Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
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Re:Bradley Manning (Score:4, Informative)
This claim is false. Remember the 'collateral murder' video? Proper channels were followed, and the request was illegally denied. Imagine that Manning had leveed a successful argument that these things should be released. The request could simply be denied and the entire nature of the proceedings made a state secret. Without leaks, we'd never even know the question was posed, let alone the response, who made it, and why. There is zero expectation that the government will obey its own laws in regards to their secrets, and thus your entire argument that the law offers recourse is invalid.
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:5, Informative)
Proper channels were not followed. Reuters was trying to get the video from the military, and Assange released it. Reminds me of how W went into Iraq before Hans Blix could finish his investigation and eliminate WMD as an excuse.
Don't change the subject.
The proper order is:
1) Reuters tried, repeatedly to get the video from the military and was denied, repeatedly
2) Manning leaked it
3) Wikileaks (Assange) published it
You're asserting that there was not adequate effort during step '1' above, but this simply not true. Reuters conducted their own investigation into the deaths of their employees, including a properly filed and processed FOIA request, in 2007. It was 'blocked by the Pentagon' that same year. The leak didn't occur until 2009.
The government lied and would never have revealed the truth.
This is but a single example, as well. I don't wish to derail this topic, but what of the Pat Tillman/Jessica Lynch situations? Again, I say there is zero expectation that proper channels would be effective. Leaks are not necessarily the only answer, but they are acceptable in light of the alternatives.
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:5, Informative)
And meanwhile, Roman Polanski [wikipedia.org] is still free, and it took almost thirty years for the United States to get around to having an international warrant for his arrest issued despite his having actually admitted to sex crimes involving a thirteen year old girl. I guess that doesn't count very much compared to embarrassing powerful people.
And why exactly is Assange being harrassed for doing something that is far less serious than what this English woman has admitted doing in a major newspaper [thesun.co.uk]: having sex with men using condoms deliberately tampered with so she can get pregnant?
Is the government of England really concerned with the sexual integrity of Swedish womanhood? Or are they just using the legal system to harrass someone who has made them look like the bunch of wankers they are?
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Is the government of England really concerned with the sexual integrity of Swedish womanhood? Or are they just using the legal system to harrass someone who has made them look like the bunch of wankers they are?
This sounds like the type of question my wife asks me, when she says 'Do you want to hang this shirt up now?' or 'Do you feel like a cup of tea?'
The Sun is a comic not a newspaper (Score:3)
Ok, technically, it's a newspaper, but over here in the UK if you said to somebody "I know Fact X is true because I read it in The Sun" they'd burst out laughing. It's regarded as a bit of a joke here, light entertainment. Referring to it as a major newspaper and your main information source rather undermines your argument.
It's what a lot of people read to get entertainment gossip, horse racing tips, football results, and to see a woman showing her boobs on Page 3. Very few people would use it as their sole
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:5, Insightful)
Does anyone in the USA actually believe the constitution has power anymore? I mean, I regularly see Americans argue from the position of "You can't do that, it's unconstitutional" yet the right to not be imprisoned without charges and a trial is the only right that is included in the original text, sans amendments.
If Manning ends up in a Guantanamo type limbo nobody will be surprised. Very sad. Especially given how unreliable a witness Lamo is. If Lamo is the only thing they have on Manning then a good defence lawyer could make great progress with his case.
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:4, Insightful)
"Speaking of idiots, Assange thinks everything should be open but information that he deems private should be kept out of the public record." - Anonymous Coward
If Assange thinks everything should be open, why isnt he (or wikileaks) releasing all the information, why are they redacting there information to protect individuals.
Its ironic that you post as AC while criticizing him, you are an obvious propaganda victim.
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Related to this, Bradley Manning has been in solitary confinement for 5 months [salon.com]. And there doesn't seem to be an end, or even a trial, in sight.
And the legal defense funding promised by Wikileaks hasn't found its way [cbsnews.com] to Manning's attorney. I wonder if they've found a 'better' use for it.
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You caught the news about all Wikileaks' accounts being frozen, didn't you? My bet is, if they haven't passed it along, it's because they don't have it themselves. But that's just speculation on my part. Much like your own post, I guess.
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WikiLeaks Spending Rises Dramatically to $500,000 [wired.com]
The accounts weren't frozen. They just aren't accepting donations on Wikileak's behalf.
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Wikileaks' Swiss accounts were certainly frozen. Also, Paypal's usual practice when they halt services is also to suspend the accounts. I don't know if they did so in this case, but again, I wouldn't be surprised.
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No, PayPal said they weren't going to hold the money.
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Guess he should have thought of that before committing a military crime while he was an active member of the military service. He is governed by a different set of laws that aren't nearly as nice as civilian laws.
Or at least, he might have thought of that BEFORE HE STARTED FUCKING BRAGGING ABOUT IT.
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:5, Informative)
Guess he should have thought of that before committing a military crime while he was an active member of the military service. He is governed by a different set of laws that aren't nearly as nice as civilian laws.
Or at least, he might have thought of that BEFORE HE STARTED FUCKING BRAGGING ABOUT IT.
If he valued his own safety more than anything, perhaps he would have. But let's look at his motivation for leaking the materials [salon.com]:
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Or at least, he might have thought of that BEFORE HE STARTED FUCKING BRAGGING ABOUT IT.
To be completely fair, I don't believe he did. I've been suspicious since I first heard the telling that Lamo was operating a sting on Manning at the gov's behest.
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Greenwald is an idiot. A military prosecutor has 120 days to bring a case to trial. If the delay is longer than that, it's at the request of the defense. Manning could have demanded a speedy trial months ago, and there's not much the government could have done about it.
More likely, he's in solitary for his own protection. If he was put in the general prison population, he probably wouldn't last a week. Most soldiers don't take very kindly to treason.
Re:Bradley Manning (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, they can end up with their own TV shows. It just depends on who they commit treason for. If it's the American public, or even worse, the world's public, you are correct. If they are good little soldiers and stomp on throats at the request of the powerful, well... how else do you think they get promoted?
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More likely, he's in solitary for his own protection.
Right, that explains why he isn't allowed to exercise in his cell, and has no sheets or pillow on his bed.
The difference between scientists and non-scientists is not formal training, but attention to detail and the willingness to draw logical inferences from the data.
In this case, if the reported facts are true it is clear his detention is punishment, before he has been charged with any crime. That may be ok under the Uniform Code of Military Justice or whatever governs the US armed forces these days, but
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More likely, he's in solitary for his own protection.
Right, that explains why he isn't allowed to exercise in his cell, and has no sheets or pillow on his bed.
The difference between scientists and non-scientists is not formal training, but attention to detail and the willingness to draw logical inferences from the data.
I agree. From TFA:
And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig's medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.
Given that he's suffering from depression, removing items that could be used for suicide might be a reasonable precaution, no?
Maybe you're not quite the scientist you thought you were...
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If he is depressed, exercise would do him good. Also his depression was likely caused by the lack of exercise and lack of any comfort.
Plus, as the article says, he has never been on suicide watch. So maybe you should take a closer look at the data before you start talking smack.
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Even in the Army, whistle-blowers have protected status. His mistake was whistle-blowing to the public instead of to superiors up the chain of command. Arguably, though, he would have known going up the chain of command would have been useless... and so public disclosure was the only way to blow th
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Please ignore my posting out of ignorance above.
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This wasn't whistle blowing though, it was passing classified documents on to a foreign national.
I agree, if he had leaked these straight to the NY Times, WaPo or hell, even Salon, he'd not be in the caldron he is in now.
PS - no biggy on missing that Wikileaks promised Manning money, it came out right at the start of this all when the Apache video came out and got lost in the noise over Wikileaks and Assange.
I'm sure if someone asked Assange why they've not helped Manning's fund out, he'd skip over the ques
The proof is in the Opposition (Score:5, Insightful)
At a higher level, this just indicates the extraordinary influence (coersion? CIA blackmail?) the US wields. Just why would Sweden (of all places) dance to Hillary's tune? Their politics runs more the opposite. Some feminists might like the broadening and exposure of sexual misconduct laws, but the more thoughtful might consider this stretch happens on the backs of women who are indisputably abused. Dubious claims and outright false allegations justify unfortunately piercing scrutiny of victims and further humiliation.
Britian is similar. First we had the unbelieveable spectacle of a Labour government supporting the American invasion of Iraq, and maintaining support after WMD unfound and Tony Blair putting down three quite representative backbencher revolts. They will grind it all through very carefully, trying to stay reasonable lest they suffer the voter backlash that Sweden is almost certain to see.
Astonishing how the US gets people to jump in front of a bus. Proof more Wikileaks are needed.
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What balls do you need to call a single person without any physical power over you sitting in a cell in another country a douche?
If that's all you can say about the balls of American politicans, you are doing them a disservice. They probably can better than that.
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I can't wait for "Wikileaks" the movie \o/ (Score:2)
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I believe that movie was set in a sci fi universe and called "Serenity."
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Nope. You're getting Carson Kressley [wikipedia.org].
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Brilliant!
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Police Letter (Score:2, Insightful)
What the hell is the point of a letter from the police stating they oppose the demonstration? Does Australia protect the right of people to peacefully assemble, or does it not? A letter from the police on this subject is ominous for Australia's political and economic security.
30 comments... (Score:2)
...and not one reference to Dutch boys putting their fingers in dikes. Those Swedish prosecutors must be scary...
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Not according to legend [pantheon.org]. Besides, 100 Euros will buy you just about anything on the Reeperbahn...
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How close are the US and Sweden? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8202745/WikiLeaks-Swedish-government-hid-anti-terror-operations-with-America-from-Parliament.html [telegraph.co.uk]
I think this sheds some interesting light on the Assange case in Sweden and its political connotations...
Re:How close are the US and Sweden? (Score:4, Insightful)
Good find. Gives the lie to the Swedish state being 'all above board' and very anti-corruption.
Secret deals with the US government - plenty of people suspected that this was the case with the Pirate Bay crackdown - and now it's made clear that deals are being done and hidden from parliamentary scrutiny.
Re:How close are the US and Sweden? (Score:4, Insightful)
The sad thing is how they always get off the hook so easily. SVT (public service tv) did a great documentary on this. The politicians involved of course claimed not to know anything about it. It made the news for a few days and then it went away with any demands for the justice minister's head evaporating. (that woman seriously has too many lives, I can't count how many controversies she's been involved in, not to mention that she is not actually qualified for the job, she doesn't have a law degree and pretty much had nothing to do with law prior to being appointed justice minister)
Only two parties wanted any actual investigation of the matter.
The left party demanded a parliamentary investigation, the greens filed a report against the government with the constitutional committee (a parliamentary committee which is pretty much the closest thing we have to a constitutional court).
The largest opposition party (the social democrats) made some statements regarding the matter but it was mostly just platitudes from a party that has been in government many times, and who's senior officials most likely knew full well this was going on..
Heather Brooke (Score:2)
Re:Whoo, typos (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Can we get a category? (Score:5, Interesting)
This reminds me of one thing: Why are posts tagged? Can we include posts based on tags? Exclude posts based on tags?
I never actually realized why we have them, but posts keep getting tagged. *shrug*
If we can exclude posts on tags, I'm pretty sure filtering out everything "wikileaks" would work here.
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This reminds me of one thing: Why are posts tagged? Can we include posts based on tags? Exclude posts based on tags? I never actually realized why we have them, but posts keep getting tagged. *shrug*
If we can exclude posts on tags, I'm pretty sure filtering out everything "wikileaks" would work here.
I think the tags are mainly used for searching right now. Would be nice if you could use them for filtering as well. As for me, I don't bother to filter anything, as it's simple enough to just skip over posts I'm not interested in. Some people have difficulty with that.
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I currently filter out all Apple news, there's an "Exclusions" dialog on your preferences panel, and you can write in any term.
Re:Can we get a category? (Score:5, Funny)
Another viable option would be not to click on links you're not interested in. I know...it sounds crazy.
Re:Can we get a category? (Score:4, Insightful)
most people don't try to close their eyes to the world, especially when the results of things like this do affect the IT/technology world.
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I think you're being awfully idealist... in my experience, people are only too happy to close their eyes to the world, even on things that directly affect them.
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well, the quantity of people is a debate I'm not even going to try to jump into.
in your experience, some people.
it's impossible to quantify how many people are ignorant or not, because having a viewpoint doesn't even tell you if people are ignorant or not.
youre on /., a geek or a nerd, and you dont care (Score:5, Insightful)
had this been any newspaper, none of these news would make the headline. had they made, rest would be suppressed.
we are seeing internet show its power, through people, even if the establisment tries to suppress it.
see :
http://46.59.1.2/mirrors.html [46.59.1.2]
2100+ mirrors. that many people put up private server space to help wikileaks. that is, not even counting the people who are spreading messages, links, articles.
it interests all of us. its internet in its purest form, as how it should be. if it doesnt interest you, or you are unable to understand, maybe you should try other sites like digg, or facebook.
Re:youre on /., a geek or a nerd, and you dont car (Score:4, Insightful)
Enjoy it while it lasts. We're marching towards Internet 2 where Net Neutrality will be a thing of the past. It's happening in the EU and it's started in the US. 15 years ago the internet caught a lot of people by surprise and they weren't sure what to make of it. I think they have a better idea now and are slowly working towards swinging the pendelum from the wild wild west of information back to something closer to how the "on-line" experience was in the late 80's and early 90's with Compuserve/AOL/Prodigy, etc..
Re:youre on /., a geek or a nerd, and you dont car (Score:5, Informative)
I'm all for transparency in government and holding people in power responsible, but there's an entire world of governments out there that should have their actions (or lack thereof, depending on the issue) scrutinized by the public, not just America. Where's the WikiLeaks coverage of China's human rights issues? How about the Cambodian government's failure to address the problem of child sex workers?
It's WikiLEAKS. If it hasn't been leaked to Wikileaks, how can Wikileaks publish it? Wikileaks is not an espionage organization and it's not about on-the-move journalism. If you have some information on these topics, which you seem to be so concerned about, why don't you put your own ass on the line and send it to Wikileaks?
Re:youre on /., a geek or a nerd, and you dont car (Score:4, Insightful)
So you're saying we should self-censor in order to not give the government an excuse to implement official censorship? If we don't even use our rights to free speech, why should we care in the first place?
Our governments already have many, many bogus reasons to censor the Internet..
Re:youre on /., a geek or a nerd, and you dont car (Score:4, Insightful)
I agree. We should voluntarily give them a big red button (by NOT doing what they don't want us to do).
So, your worry about giving them an "excuse to stick a big red button on the internet" (like they haven't already tried, and don't have enough reasons already), is that we voluntarily do it for them, by stopping everything they don't like, regardless of whether its just to do so?
You Sir, are a fucking genius.
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Wikileaks stories need a category and an identifying icon, as updates are becoming much more frequent. If someone wants to use this to ignore wikileaks updates because they are apolitical and short-sighted, that's their problem—let them. Preferably the icon could be something other than Julain Assange or the wikileaks logo. Ideas?
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So go build an army and start a fascist revolution. If enough people support you, we'll get the sort of world you want.
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The least fascist person I've ever encountered does not think he knows best about what others are allowed to hear and say. But the person who believes he is the least fascist is very likely to think so.
Like the man said, every anarchist is a baffled dictator.
Re:The Good Wikileaks Does (Score:5, Insightful)
is not justification for the bad Wikileaks does.
Well, you can't have the good without the bad...
There are better ways to do it.
Like what? Wear buttons with sloagans about love, put bumper stickers on your car?
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wake up. if it was possible to do it in any other way, it would have been done.
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tl;dr
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No not really. If he had stayed with the first woman for a couple of days instead of jumping over to the next one there probably wouldn't have been any complaint.
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Is it just me, or is it all fine and dandy for so many non-Americans (be it Belgian teenagers, Australian journalists, or whomever) to support WikiLeaks, when WikiLeaks hasn't launched a smear campaign against their own nations?
I can only hope I could say it is only you - it would be good to have a single person in this world thinking nation==government. Unfortunately, with too many people of in a nation making this confusion, the risk is one may start wondering: "Is it something wrong with the people of that nation?"