Another Windows 8 Pre-Beta Surfaces 534
angry tapir writes "While Microsoft has not announced the release date of its follow-up to Windows 7, an early pre-beta version of Windows 8 (although its official name has not been confirmed) has surfaced on the Internet, the second version to appear within a month. It is the second milestone release that has showed up on the Internet this month. Users of this Windows 8 software have said it features a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office. This specific milestone build also has software for a Webcam, a new task manager, a PDF reader and an immersive browser." "Surfacings" like this tell me that Microsoft sees the value in crowdsourced opinion gathering far more than they're sometimes given credit for.
new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow down (Score:3, Insightful)
new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow down users moving to windows 8.
Some places are still stuck on XP and are moving to 7 now and now 8 is on the way with a new GUI?
also what software / hardware that works in XP / 7 will windows 8 not work with?
Ribbons? (Score:5, Insightful)
Ribbons? RIBBONS?
The most useless POS interface ever.
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The world IS full of those, if you're considering the WHOLE WORLD.
However, I still am not too much of a fan of ribbons, though I have found that once you get used to them, they really are quite good.
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I could not disagree more strongly. Office 2007 was the first office suite that I didn't hate. Word et al. no longer have a clutter of shortcut bars that take up a quarter of your effective screen, no longer is there a series of pop up dialogs for every simple action, I think it's great. The features you actually use are now one or two clicks away. The UI even works on a laptop, with a much smaller screen. Just give it a try, once you get used to it, and unlearn the office 95 ways, it's quite good.
I have seen computers before by the way; I started programming them when I was about 10 yrs old, in the mid 80's.
Re:Ribbons? (Score:4, Interesting)
Funny enough. I agree with you and the parent.
the ribbon does suck. And yet it's a huge improvement on the office 95 ui concept. Using the ribbon in firefox 4 and ie showed me the ribbon works as a ui element.
The problem you and the parent are running into is that perhaps simple word processing isn't simple anymore and nothing will succinctly untangle the ui mess that office style productivity suites present.
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The ribbon is godsend for people who don't want to waste hours of their life learning where everything is buried.
which only works as a statement of fact for people after they've learned where everything is buried.
I still smart over the Print button.. find that on the bloody ribbon
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File - menu - list with text that a person can scan through in about 2 seconds.
As long as the list is short. Applications like Word have gathered so many features that menus now have sub-menus of sub-menus that lead to a dialogue with multiple tabs. Often the feature you want to access is buried 5 layers deep. You can argue that some of these features should be trimmed, but then you have to decide which ones, and everyone of course will have a different opinion depending on how they use the program.
Ribbon brings 90% of the functionality of word within two clicks (one to select the app
Re:Ribbons? (Score:5, Insightful)
Ribbons in applications and O/S are not like tabs in browsers.
Quite right! However they do roughly provide functionality similar to tabs and if you were to explain the ribbon interface to someone from 1998 or to a lay person the tab anology would be one effective way. I googled "tab navigation" and one of the first results provides a great example of what are commonly referred to as "tabs" [smashingmagazine.com].
Browsers show the same functional tools regardless of what tab you are on (similar to a sheet in excel). On the other hand ribbons hide different tools behinds 6-8 separate ribbon sections that are usually clicked through where all the buttons have a similar background and 'icons' making it hard to search through as opposed to a File - menu - list with text that a person can scan through in about 2 seconds.
Browsers tabs feature a description (typically the meta title) much like the ribbon interface. The content area below the title area changes when different "tabs" are selected, this functionality is present in both UI. I appreciate your comparison and you're correct with many details yet you do not seem to recognize these interface elements as tabs. Another example: We still have the start menu dynamic from Windows 95 today in Windows 7 (and similar features found in several popular window managers) whose interaction and function have changed little. Bar at the bottom featuring a button, click the button and a menu pops up, select items etc.
One can enable an overlay of key short cuts over the ribbon interface so you do not have to use the mouse however the search time still takes just as long unless you knew the key-binding shortcuts from previous versions.
Change is hard. One is more productive with a tool one is familiar with... perhaps you're not the target audience for these largely superficial changes. It also is apparent you're familiar with efficient usage (keyboard shortcuts) and these largely superficial changes shouldn't be difficult to figure out.
Re:Ribbons? (Score:4, Interesting)
ribbons hide different tools behinds 6-8 separate ribbon sections that are usually clicked through where all the buttons have a similar background and 'icons' making it hard to search through as opposed to a File - menu - list with text that a person can scan through in about 2 seconds.
Let's take a look at Excel 2010 [dropbox.com]'s ribbon, and then at Excel 2000 [dropbox.com]'s menus. I can't believe an Excel user would find File/View/Data menus intuitive, yet File/View/Data tabs incomprehensible.
But, for the sake of argument, let's accept as a given that finding what you want in a menu (and its submenus) is easy because it's "text" you can scan in "about 2 seconds." Taking the "wouldn't recognize a stop sign if it wasn't labeled" demographic into account, they labeled every one of the icons.
This is why it's a major improvement over the toolbar, which was dozens of tiny (unlabeled) icons, almost entirely hidden behind chevrons so they wouldn't take up half your screen. It's also the only significant "improvement" they've made to the Office UI since 1994. It really shouldn't be incomprehensible.
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You must be new. Microsoft aren't big on the whole "choice" thing. Even in XP when you could ditch the Luna interface in favour of the "Classic" one, it didn't actually change anything. It made the colours more business-like, sure, but it was still XP's interface. If they make ribbons the default behaviour, and give you an option, nothing will actually behave like it does today. There'll be all manner of unexpected things happening, mostly in the form of menus not where they used to be, not containing
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Then - how often does one undo the automatic (by default) snap/all screen window hog feature in W7? Ridiculous!
Not sure who has those ideas? Maybe trying to cut into Apple's pie.
Just bought a WXP SP2 for Eur 15.-
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Then - how often does one undo the automatic (by default) snap/all screen window hog feature in W7? Ridiculous!
Aero snap is one of my favorite features in Windows 7; I use it constantly. When I use XP, I'm constantly dragging my windows to the edge of the screen to no avail.
If you want to turn it off, just search for "snap." The first result should be "Turn off automatic window rearrangement," Just select it and click the check box.
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new user-interface is a bad idea and may slow down users moving to windows 8.
Just what they'll move towards?
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That's why Windows Professional on ARM is so exciting to some (for app compat reasons) but the user experience with using a stylus on a Windows tablet still sucks bal
Shit gets shittier (Score:4, Insightful)
Users of this Windows 8 software have said it features a Ribbon-based user-interface, similar to the one used in recent editions of Microsoft Office.
Overheard at Microsoft: "Hey guys, you know that ribbon interface that everybody hated? How about we put it everywhere in the system?"
What's next, will they bring back Bob and Clippy as well?
Re:Shit gets shittier (Score:4, Insightful)
Microsoft has a history of shoving features down users throats no matter how much they complain. People loathed Clippy, so what did Microsoft do? They added an animated dog to Windows XP.
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Apple famous in what way? (Score:2)
I'm not saying Apple never added features some people didn't like, but I can't really think of any as things that were "shoved down the users throats" to near-universal dislike.
What features did you have in mind?
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People loathed Clippy, so what did Microsoft do? They added an animated dog to Windows XP.
The reason everyone hated Clippy was that it intrusively popped up while you were working. On the other hand, the dog was only displayed if you elected to search for something. In fact, I would suggest that Clippy demonstrates that Microsoft will remove features that people do not like. After all, they did get rid of the stupid paperclip after everyone complained.
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Protip: Clippy and the Spot the dog are the same thing.
They are descendants of Bob. Praise be.
People hated Bob and its help agents, and help agents still keep being "reinvented" each time there is a new Microsoft OS release. Microsoft is the only OS vendor that has tools that actually talk down to the user. Frankly, it's insulting. For all the yelling that people do at Apple for "dumbing down the interface," Microsoft does a pretty good job of doing that all by itself.
Ribbons in Explorer. Good lawd, I
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Protip: Clippy and the Spot the dog are the same thing.
Protip: Adding "Protip" doesn't make something true.
Clippy and the dog were both animated characters that would offer help, but that is where the similarity ends. As I said, Clippy was so reviled because it got in the way. It forced itself in your face. Even worse, it spied on what you were doing and tried to "help" (which gave us the meme that people still use as a joke today [slashdot.org]).
It is really annoying when someone stands behind you doing reading what you type and interrupting with "helpful" comments, so it st
Re:Shit gets shittier (Score:5, Insightful)
People are resistant to change. As a software developer, I'm sick of my boss saying "we can't make things better because it'll disrupt users". Fuck that. Let's disrupt some goddamn users so we aren't stuck with Win 3.1 interfaces everywhere. Software evolves. The first interface is not the best. People should evolve with it.
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think of every shitty UI change you hate and loathe. Now imagine that they were the features your users wanted (they probably are. for them), now imagine changing your software to put those things in to 'make things better'.
You see, change sometimes isn't better. Often slow evolution is the best way to change things. Little by little, people get used to the new bits, then another then another and over time they get all the changes you want, without the massive disruption you want to impose on them.
Also don'
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No, your just people who choose to use a program that requires more keystrokes/clicks to accomplish the same task as Office 2003.
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LoB
Re:Shit gets shittier (Score:4, Funny)
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Hey guys, you know that ribbon interface that everybody hated?
Many people don't like change, are satisfied with an existing menu system, and don't see a useful purpose in evolving a GUI paradigm. Others are not as set in their ways.
I have no problems with "ribbons". Yes, it took me some time to master the new Office menu GUI, but I don't "hate" it, and I don't know any open-minded "users" who do. Yes, I know people that "prefer" the old Office menus, but "hate"? No, not really.
I think you are simply biased against Office. Fine, stick with OpenOffice (or whatever
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>Pixels are not in short supply anymore
With wide screen displays and netbook sizes, yes, yes they are. This is why Microsoft is getting all the deserved hate for the Ribbon interface.
Wasting 128 vertical pixels for nothing in Explorer is maddening.
Want to make me and a lot of other experienced users happy? Context driven menus, accessible by right click, and key combinations. System-wide. Make them tear-off like in the old NeXT desktop, too.
But that requires actual re-engineering of the desktop inste
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Re:Shit gets shittier (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, we know some like menus, but as screen resolutions grow, ribbons are the definite way to go. If you don't have a large screen, you will notice collapsing your ribbon will save you about 10 vertical pixels, while the number of clicks to get somewhere remains the same (1~2).
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Ribbon is garbage indeed.
I damned well hate it and I've been on it for 7 or 8 months now, it's horrible. I will stick with 7 if they screw up Windows explorer that badly.
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Ribbon is garbage indeed. I damned well hate it and I've been on it for 7 or 8 months now, it's horrible. I will stick with 7 if they screw up Windows explorer that badly.
we'll all stay off your lawn
People like what they know ...at first (Score:3)
The ribbon is a marked improvement over the old style file menus. People just didn't like it at first because it meant they needed to re-learn the locations of the commands they use. I'm having to relearn where to find certain things on the new Firefox GUI, but that doesn't make it bad.
If someone had been brought up using the ribbon, and you showed them an old-style menu, they'd think it was designed by amateurs. Where do you change settings.... edit>preferences, or tools>options? Find is under ed
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On Windows and other sanely-laid-out operating systems it's supposed to always be under Tools -> Options
Uh what? Vastly more apps don't have a menu called "Tools" than do. The simple truth is that there is no standard on windows NOR on the macintosh as to where that shall be. And even if there were, Apple themselves likely wouldn't follow it; they have famously thrown their HIG out the window and they have at least three widget sets in any version of OSX after 10.1. Even one Apple app doesn't look like the next.
printing the file is a file I/O operation, not interacting with it or viewing it.
That's not true at all. It's a memory I/O operation, it works with the contents of the document in
I'm not sure who to feel sorry for... (Score:5, Funny)
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No one should pity the Adobe Reader devs, after the plague that they've unleashed upon the world. Thank God that Foxit and Sumatra have finally gotten good enough to free us from Adobe's clutches.
Incidentally, that same fact tends to make a MS-supplied reader redundant. I wonder if they just repackaged Sumatra?
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LoB
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Is Acrobat too common. Yes. While I will concede that it may be needed in situations where doing pixel-perfect PDF rendering, or where highly-scripted custom PDFs are heavily used, Foxit/Sumatra is MORE than enough for 99% of u
Has an ARM build leaked? (Score:3)
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I really hope not. The strength of ARM is that there really is no standard, so everyone is free to build whatever they want. Look at the breadth of ARM hardware: watches, phones, embedded platforms, video players in airplanes.... How do you shoehorn that into a standard PC platform? I like the bazaar that is ARM. We have the PC cathedral, let the bazaar goers have the ARM.
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crowdsourcing (Score:2, Troll)
"Surfacings" like this tell me that Microsoft sees the value in crowdsourced opinion gathering far more than they're sometimes given credit for.
Yeah, they like to listen to what everyone has to say, then they listen to the most vocal, stupidest fucking idiots, and inocrporate their preferences into the final releases, with as many bugs as possible left in tact.
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Come on fellas (Score:2)
In the good old days you got rants like the holy fire of whatever god you think is the coolest rained down on the world.
These are the most pathetic Microsoft bashes I've ever read.
Not even an M$ so far. WTF?
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It truly is "The End Of Days"
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Also, WinXP was really ugly (that is a personal opinion, if
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>Besides, M$ has been losing their evil edge. Ballmer hasn't thrown a chair in a while
You haven't looked at the Microsoft vs Barnes&Noble lawsuit.
Basically they're saying all of Linux infringes. The B&N response is available on PACER - filed yesterday. But since someone was generous, here it is on ompldr.
http://ompldr.org/vOGZ1dA/bnmsft.pdf [ompldr.org]
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BMO
Pre-beta? (Score:2)
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I guess it should be called I development version. I don't think it's quite alpha yet.
Immersive (Score:5, Funny)
Genuine Advantage (Score:2, Funny)
FTA:
"Microsoft declined to verify the authenticity of the milestone release. "
Dang! Genuine Advantage strikes again!
immersive browser, like Win98? (Score:3)
Anybody else remember it?
Your desktop background was a browser.
You had a side panel with "channels".
Web sites were supposed to continuously push feed to you, just like TV.
Windows 8 My Homework (Score:2)
Your dog has been automated.
Windows $NEXT_VERSION will floor all comers (Score:4, Funny)
Guest post by Mary-Jo Enderle
I have seen the future: Windows $NEXT_VERSION Milestone $MOCKUP [newstechnica.com].
I tried it on a low-end laptop with four Core 2 Duo chips and only 8 gig of memory, and trust me: $NEXT_VERSION is shaping up to be one heck of a product.
WordPad and Paint have seen major overhauls to their user interfaces. Forget the freetards and their "distros" full of all sorts of useless shovelware like "FireFox" and "OpenOffice" and, haha, "GIMP"! — the bundled software with Windows $NEXT_VERSION is clear, simple, sparse and to-the-point. The much-loved Ribbon user interface from Office $HATED_VERSION is now part of WordPad and Paint!
The controversial Digital Rights Management system in $CURRENT_VERSION has been worked over, with user-downloadable "tilt bits," which you can configure to your own liking. It'll require every user to supply a blood sample for DNA analysis, and the beta nearly took my finger off, but of course that's only if you want to play premium content. The Blu-Ray of Battlefield Earth was unbelievable on this operating system.
A public beta should be released by the end of this year. There's just no way that Steve "Trains Run On Time" Ballmer will miss the Christmas deadline. The final release should leave the midnight queues on $CURRENT_VERSION release day — the street riots, the water cannons, the rubber bullets — in the shade.
I am so excited about $NEXT_VERSION of Windows. It will go beyond just solving all of the problems with $CURRENT_VERSION, it will be an entirely new paradigm. Forget about security problems, those are all fixed in $NEXT_VERSION. And they're finally ridding themselves of $ANCIENT_LEGACY_STUFF.
Also, there'll be $DATABASE_FILESYSTEM. It'll be awesome!
I wonder how $NEXT_VERSION will compare to $NEXT_NEXT_VERSION.
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In windows 7 you can already right click then select 'go to service(s)' and they're highlighted.
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I can sum up why in 2 words:
It's complicated.
(As in not user friendly) And yes, even if you do "advanced mode clickbox," people will shitfit and complain to remove it because of privacy concerns, and/or older people will get scared and want it gone due to information overload.
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I can sum up why in 2 words:
It's complicated.
(As in not user friendly) And yes, even if you do "advanced mode clickbox," people will shitfit and complain to remove it because of privacy concerns, and/or older people will get scared and want it gone due to information overload.
OK then, make a "Super Advanced" mode clickbox with pulsating red graphics and a low, 60 Hz rumble for a sound effect.
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This next part is really dangerous and advanced
Ok
The next dialog will erase your drive
Ok
Erasing your hard drive
Ok
WTF Windows. I followed all your prompts and I lost all my data. Grrrr!
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I still remember WinNT and my Amiga hard disk.
I used it with Linux+UAE at work, and with my Amiga at home. It worked fine.
Then something tempted me to see how would WinNT react to it.
After good 12h of recovery of my files I knew for sure. NEVER trust Microso
Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (Score:4, Interesting)
Nope, the Linux on the same machine that I used to read the disk (and run UAE) couldn't read it afterwards either. And it wasn't some fancy "image mount under emulator". Linux, using AmigaFFS system would mount the Amiga partitions within its own filesystem, using standard AmigaFFS kernel module shipped with vanilla kernel, making them normally, natively accessible, R/W mounts I could normally use from Linux. Then I would launch UAE with "local directory as hard disk" pointing to these mount points. So, no, the operating system that ran on that hardware, with PC
Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm an "older people". Guess what - it was older people who built the first PC's. In fact, all the people who created the first operating systems are older people now. We made your apps, your games, your everything.
Alright, I'll make an effort to be fair here. Probably 20% of the people my age have never owned a PC, and never will. Another large percentage has never done anything with a PC other than check email, play a couple of games, and maybe read Fox News headlines. Many of the rest have never diddled in the registry, and have almost no idea how to diagnose or cure a virus problem - that's all automatic with the version of Norton shipped on the computer from Dell (or HP or Gateway or) and if that doesn't take care of it then the computer shop can fix it.
But, it isn't just older people. I can find a few dozen youngsters (25 and younger) who have no clue about the internal workings of a computer just as easily as older people. No freaking clue.
Older people. Phhht. Wait 'til you're an octogenarian, and the young pukes are making fun of you. Ha! More, I hope you live to be 120, and you have to tolerate the condescending bullshit from the kids for all of your last 40 years or more.
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But, it isn't just older people. I can find a few dozen youngsters (25 and younger) who have no clue about the internal workings of a computer just as easily as older people. No freaking clue.
If anything, it's worse. People of my parents' generation either didn't use computers or used ones running a system that basically required them to know something about how it worked. Now, we have undergraduates arriving at university who have never used a command line. All of their interactions with the computer happen a couple of abstraction layers higher than was even available when I got my first computer.
If you wanted to do anything interesting with the machines I grew up with, you needed to set
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Your reply makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The entire Computer Management console is complicated, but it's still there. There are tons of complicated aspects to Windows. Have you ever wandered about in the registry?
As for people complaining, who's going to complain? What "privacy" concerns? "Older people"? What the fuck?
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Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (Score:4, Interesting)
Poppy cock!
I have setup a lot of machines for a lot of people over the years. I have found most users really confused by the current Task Manager, especially if it's something that isn't a window. I've tried setting up setup Sysinternals Process Explorer for many of these users, especially the ones who just don't understand anything, and I have found that they find it easier, or just as hard. The Process Explorer shows nesting well, doesn't obscure things, doesn't jump around in the list, and is more self-explanatory.
The learning curve on the Process Explorer, because it shows us the data in a more logical way, is MUCH smaller.
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I could use a bit more "complicated" in my Windows experience. Windows 7 has an obnoxious habit of producing error messages that amount to, "Something went wrong!" without any further information that might help me to narrow down and solve the problem. If we can get a Microsoft that does away with this attitude of making things user-friendly to the point of excluding the advanced and knowledgeable user, then I will welcome the change.
Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (Score:5, Insightful)
The main reason is because Task Manager is often used to try and regain control of a system which has stopped responding. It must be a small and efficient program so that it can be loaded and used when the system is low on resources (like processor time, memory, or even handles). It provides enough information for the user to determine resource usage for the system and running processes, and provides enough functionality for user to manage them. It is not meant to be used for in-depth performance analysis or detailed process information.
You'll notice that the "Services" tab which was added under Vista is very slow to populate when clicked. This is most likely no accident that it loads the service information from the registry on demand (only when the tab is clicked) instead of retreiving and storing it when Task Manager is first opened.
Process Explorer allows you to peek into intricate process details like handles and loaded DLL's, you can even view the strings in the DLL's memory. It also provides extremely detailed information about the system, like loaded drivers, DPC's and even hardware interrupts (which even interrupt the kernel scheduler and can't be tracked by standard Windows programming methods). This much information is great for doing a deep investigation of a driver or system issue, but is not necessary (and may even be confusing to many users) for regular process management.
They also probably do not include it in Windows because of anti-trust claims and such. They do not include software from most of their product lines in Windows anymore (even extremely useful things like Word Viewer, Windows Live Photo Gallery, or Windows Mobile Device Center). They are left to the user to download and install... If they included a checkbox in Task Manager for Process Explorer, competitors may cry that it's bundling.
Re:The task manager is definitely the best feature (Score:4, Insightful)
What I've never understood is why MS didn't just make the Sysinternals 'Process Explorer' the default task manager
Or even better--in this day and age, why aren't the SysInternals tools pre-packaged into an MSI for easy deployment to machines complete with a %PATH% modifier so you can just push and run...?
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Finally you get to know what those svchosts are actually doing.
Master beta ing?
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tasklist
Re:PDF reader? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I predict a repeat of the internet browser lawsuits, and Microsoft removing their PDF reader from future Windows 8 builds.
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Oh come ON! We're geek here, and my non-geek fiance was able to learn how to use the ribbon in a few minutes.
Are Linux nuts so incapable of learning a UI? Or is it a UI in a Microsoft product that automatically puts up a mental blinder that they cannot push through?
Ever day that passes I have less and less respect for geeks who can't remain impartial.
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It's not that the ribbon is a new UI to learn. It's that they changed other fundamental things. For instance, a big pet peeve of mine: you used to be able to double-click the axis of a graph to pull up the axis properties dialog; now this doesn't work and you *must* right click and select a menu option (or navigate to the ribbon). Also, the tab stops in the new dialog don't work the way they used to, increasing the number of key-transitions required to change the axis dimensions. This is a real pain for
Re:The Ribbon: (Score:4, Insightful)
I just tested a line graph in Excel 2010, double clicked on the Y axis and the Format Axis dialog popped up. Same for the X Axis.
You seem to be wrong.
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it's funny because this is the exact same argument people use against switching to Linux - Things are different, change is hard, it should always work exactl
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Microsoft says Give us more money to fix the bugs in Windows 7. It's called Windows 8.
Not a popular question I know, but I've got to ask... what are these bugs in Win7 that you've encountered that need fixing? Seriously. No, don't go searching for something. Tell me what part of Win7 that you have ever tried to use has failed you due to bug. Not design critique. Bug.
Be real. Given the massive feature set of the OS and how many lines of code there are in it, the thing is very, very reasonable quality-wise.
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Sorry, gotta bite on the troll too. I must admit, my Linux HTPC crashes MUCH more often than my Win7 laptop. Of course, the laptop never has to play 1080p video, but when it crashes, it's usually from overheating, not a Windows bug. That goddamned HTPC crashes so often because X freezes and the only way to fix it is to ssh in or reboot - that's a crash. Bleh.
Ubuntu 10.10 on a Zotac ION ITX mobo combo, running XBMC 10.1 stable rendering with VDPAU, broadcast video handled by MythTV and a Hauppauge HVR-1950,
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Yeah, it's weird how some people expect you to pay them to make things.
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See, that's the thing: Geeks want to adapt if the new paradidgm is /better/ than the old one. If it's the same or worse, geeks will simply go 'why bother?', or 'I have to /pay/ for something /less/ useful? get real!'
This is why Android tablets have taken off among the geeks: The new paradidgm is better than the old one(for some things).
With Linux, you're at least gaining a load of programming tools, free software(as in beer), and the gui interface isn't that much different from XP.
As far as office goes, it'
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Because the ribbon interface hides things from you in more aggressive ways than did the dropdown menu interface? Because the ribbon interface in office broke shortcut keys that required otherwise incompetent finance and HR people to re-build their cheat sheets, and resulted in months of hassle as IT people the world over got called incessantly on "How do you do Mail Merge again?" type problems, when there were more pressing matters to attend with?
Because the whole reason that Microsoft implemented the ribb
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows [wikipedia.org]
considering most of the presence of new windows versions would come from windows being forcibly bundled by newly sold pcs, and not xp, it easily can be said that people did not MIGRATE to windows 7. even with this forced pushing, its share is still lower than its predecessor.
'most used os in united states' -> who gives a fuck. world is a 7 billion crowded place.
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considering most of the presence of new windows versions would come from windows being forcibly bundled by newly sold pcs, and not xp, it easily can be said that people did not MIGRATE to windows 7. even with this forced pushing, its share is still lower than its predecessor.
Buying a new computer is the easiest and most cost effective way to get the new Windows. I am sure that for a lot of people the benefit of getting the latest OS was one of the reasons for upgrading their computer. I am sure that the same thing happens on the Mac (which also bundles the OS with the hardware).
Anyway, if the trends continue as they are going then I predict that Windows 7 will pass XP marketshare before the end of the year.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows [wikipedia.org]
is it because people did migrate that windows xp still has 43% of share, whereas win 7 only has 34%, despite being pushed out by every new pc/laptop sold ?
next time you are going to cuss and spit shit, at least do it about something you at least know a little about.