Ask Slashdot: Tech-Related Summer Camps For Teenagers? 177
First time accepted submitter jcreus writes "I am a teenager (aged 14, though turning 15 before summer), and I've recently been looking for summer camps in the USA. My interests include physics, mathematics (to a lesser extent) and computer science (I already know several programming languages). However, I haven't been able to find anything really exciting. The difficulties I've found include the fact that most are general-oriented, whereas I'm seeking something specific. Furthermore, some are USA-student-only (and I'm European), and most computer-science oriented camps seem to be for non-programmers. What are your experiences with such camps?"
Real programmers don't go to camps (Score:5, Funny)
There are just too many people in those places.
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Heh, I was actually a "substitute counselor" at Johns Hopkins' Center for Talented Youth for a couple weeks about 15 years ago... It was more of an academic camp but that seems to be exactly what the asker is looking for. Also it's quite selective, but hopefully that works in your favor. I would readily admit without shame that some of those middle-school-aged kids were way smarter than my ivy-league-college-aged ass.
The self-paced math class I was tutoring was admittedly kind of silly, but it was a goo
Space Camp! (Score:3, Interesting)
space camp! run by NASA.
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My bad...it's not run by NASA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Camp [wikipedia.org]
However, a friend of mine who works for NASA attended.
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Error, invalid ownership statement.
Space Camp is run by an Alabama group... they have a collection of space-related simulators and movie theaters and such... but NASA doesn't provide any help.
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Yeah I went to double check and attempted to correct my mistake in a second post.
Re:Space Camp! (Score:5, Funny)
If you get really lucky Jinx will send you into orbit!
Ask me next year... (Score:2)
Our eldest is going to one of the NASA Space camps [spacecamp.com] later this year. It's costing us a bit in airfares and suchlike, but she expects it will be worth it.
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See the above post. NASA has nothing to do with Space Camp.
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Well, the USSRC say "The USSRC, NASA's first visitor center, opened in 1970 and has served over 12 million visitors to date." and that's where Space Camp is held, in "NASA's first visitor center". Also in the film I watched on the Space Camp website attendees had NASA badges on their suits. Lastly the USSRC "houses NASA's Educator Resource Center" ...
So it seems they have something to do with it; but sure as anything they don't run it.
My daughter did a great course last year.. (Score:5, Informative)
You might want to look into something like [internaldrive.com] this or this [mtu.edu] .
My daughter took one out of this one [umich.edu], specifically one on Physics [umich.edu]. She loved it and we plan to do another. My other daughter is looking forward to this one.
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I was just going to point about Michigan Tech's Summar Youth Program: http://youthprograms.mtu.edu/ [mtu.edu]
It is a very well run educational summer camp at one of the better small engineering and sciences schools in the country. I did a summer of intro to CS classes while in high school and got a huge jump start for my college career. Also it is a lot of fun and a beautiful place to visit.
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2 weeks didn't kill her. In fact, she made some international friends she plans to visits. And that wasn't the only thing she did. The family also did a HUGE trip around the State and National Parks in Utah. We mix both all the time.
For Ohio students (Score:1)
Shad Valley (Score:5, Informative)
If you're open to considering locations in Canada, then Shad Valley [www.shad.ca] is a great program that a lot of my friends have gone to. It's hosted by a university in Canada and is well suited for someone interested in tech. I'd recommend the University of Waterloo location as it probably provides the best exposure to the tech companies in Canada.
Look at the list from John Hopkins University (Score:5, Informative)
In the mid-1990s, I went to a Civil Engineering "summer camp" as a 8th grader (about 14) at Michigan Technological University. It was mostly geared towards fun applications of things and not the math/calculation part of it. Unfortunately, as you've found out, many programs are going to be pretty lightweight.
However, John Hopkins University has put together a decent list of summer programs for people about your age. http://cty.jhu.edu/imagine/linka4.htm
Many of them don't require US citizenship because they aren't funded by USgovernment money. The Penn Summer Science Academy has a set for Experimental Physics which could be interesting.
My best advice would be to email the contact people and explain what you are looking for, focusing on what your experience is and your desired challenge level. Ask them if they think their program would be a good fit.
Re:Look at the list from John Hopkins University (Score:4, Informative)
As for the Michigan Technological University program here is more info: http://youthprograms.mtu.edu/ [mtu.edu]
I went there in early high school for some of the CS camps and came away with a lot of interest and a great head start for college.
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Odd, you mean Johns Hopkins ?! http://www.jhu.edu/ [jhu.edu]
CTY (Score:3, Informative)
If you want to do just one course for three weeks, find out if you're eligible for CTY [jhu.edu], which does do an international talent search [jhu.edu], though you may be too late for Summer 2012
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CTY's qualifier is an invite to take the SAT in the 8th grade... a score that is reported to you but hidden from colleges when you send scores later on in high school. It served as an excellent practice and I learned what I needed to learn about before I started high school. The Princeton Review books also serve as good info for that.
CTY(I) (Score:1)
Center for Talented Youth is a programme that runs camps at various universities in the US.
There is one in Dublin Ireland that might be an option for you.
Prioritize... (Score:1)
At your age it would be far more healthy, and a far better use of your time, to seek out an opportunity to get laid.
I'm only half joking here. You'll probably continue to enjoy your hobby, and perhaps turn it into a career, regardless of yet another nerd fest. You'll have plenty of opportunities to attend LAN parties, and other socially inept gatherings, later in life. By most definitions I suppose I'm a geek, given my professional and amateur interests; but I've never regretted the stupid, wonderful, awkwa
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I actually kind of have to agree. You've stated you know a bunch of programming language already, which tells me that you really don't need "camp" to help you learn something that a book will. If you are being forced to choose a camp to go to by the paternal units, do something different.
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At your age it would be far more healthy, and a far better use of your time, to seek out an opportunity to get laid.
Going to America should be good then. It'll be "OMG I love your accent!", and he's automatically more interesting as he's from halfway (ok, ¼-way) round the world.
It sounds like a great idea -- the only "summer camps" I ever heard about in my country are religious, so I never went to one, but apart from the religion they sounded like great fun. The best bit will be meeting/socialising/playing/working with other people, so most of the reason for choosing the right kind of event is to meet the right k
Tiger Woods Foundation? (Score:1)
Why not something non-tech for summer camp? (Score:5, Insightful)
I might be completely off-base here but, at 14, It seems that you already spend more than fair share of your time on these "tech" pursuits (you already know a lot of programming languages and have interests in physics and math). I have been on that path before - pursuing purely tech/geek oriented tasks and activities. My suggestion is to go for something that's completely tangential to your personality, something out of your comfort zone - it'll expand your horizons and challenge you in a way that'll continue to benefit you throughout your life. I would highly recommend ballroom dancing (or salsa for that matter) - it's a highly social activity, you interact a lot with the members of opposite sex and you learn dancing too [trust me, it comes in handy when going out clubbing in college :D]. Other options include painting and learning a new musical instrument.
Chesapeake Bay Foundation environmental education (Score:2)
Can't seem to find a link to a similar program now, but around middle school age my father sent me on a 2-week camp trip. In retrospect, it was pretty amazing... We traced our way down the Patuxent River watershed. We mucked around in the swamps pretending we were muskrats, smearing detritus on our faces. We canoed to campsites, jumping out of them and sheltering below the reeds as a freak thunderstorm blew through. We took two showers the entire time, one of them lasting less than 2 minutes. We rode
EPGY (Score:1)
Stanford has their EPGY program..I did it last year and it was really good. They have a bunch of Math/Physics courses and some CS stuff. http://epgy.stanford.edu/summer/index.html
Wolfram summer school (Score:1, Interesting)
I used to go to tech camps (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I used to go to tech camps (Score:5, Funny)
I don't think even Stroustrup completely understands C++
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A long time ago... (Score:5, Insightful)
In the summer of '87, just before I graduated high school, I was among a small group of students chosen to spend a week in a computer science summer camp run by Stuart Reges at Stanford. The lectures were all across the board, a smattering of a lot of stuff. We had a lab of Mac 512Ke computers (and a Mac Plus fileserver) on which we learned the basics of Lisp, and there was a networking lecture which posed the Two Generals' Problem, and a lecture on artificial intelligence gave us the Muddy Children Puzzle, and we got to learn Emacs on the school's VAX running VMS, and we got a glimpse of X windows running on a Sun workstation, and I remember a night in an auditorium where we got to see an Amiga use its 4096-color palette to display photorealistic images!
But the most important thing I learned that week - the thing that I've carried with me all the years since then - is that there are *other people like me*. I was a geek in an athletic high school. I was the kid who got beat up and picked on. I was told I had no future because I spent my free time disassembling Apple II games and figuring out how they worked instead of kicking a football. And I believed it - until the day I arrived at that Stanford camp and found other kids who did this sort of stuff, and built robots at home, and memorized pi to a hundred digits, and knew magic tricks, and had a whole bunch of other neat things in their heads which today seem stereotypically nerdy but, back then, the important thing is that none of them involved kicking a football, and these kids were *proud* of who they were and what they could do.
It was only a week. I could say that week changed my life, but it would be more accurate to say that, without it, I might not be here today.
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So you met kids who, just like the jocks who picked on you, were unreasonably proud of their own more-or-less meaningless skills. Like magic tricks and memorizing pi to 100 digits. Thus was your identification with nerd subculture cemented forever. Yeah; I'm not sure I view that as a positive thing. And I say this as someone who is not athletic, went to nerdy schools and works as a software developer.
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Like a bully, you're apparently the kind of person who feels a need to pick at other people's self-confidence.
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the ones who memorize pi to 100 digits and wear capes ... do quirky things for the sake of being quirky because their identity is built around being the "quirky outsider". It's irritating.
(I'll ignore that the earlier post implied the people memorising pi were also building robots.)
What's wrong with being a quirky outsider? Do/did you envy the attention they had? Were you not able to be quirky yourself, perhaps because of parental or peer pressure?
While I was at school I socialised with the goths, and copied their clothes to a small extent. I enjoyed being a bit different to most people but fitting in with my friends. Then, at 18, I wondered if this was reason I didn't have many friends,
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Sure they care about social norms. Just not the norms of the majority; they care about the social norms of their little subculture. Which is why you went out and bought black clothes so you could fit in wit
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No, xkcd thinks you are an idiot.
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xkcd doesn't like being anthropomorphized.
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You've missed the point. What's worthwile for them may not be worthwhile for you. People get satisfaction from a whole lot of things, there's nothing universally worthwhile to do on this world!
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twerp
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I was told I had no future because I spent my free time disassembling Apple II games and figuring out how they worked instead of kicking a football.
Was that just something the sports coach said, or is it an accurate reflection of what you were told in school in general? If the latter, then that's possibly the most fucked up thing I've ever heard.
I'm not American (never even been there) but I understand a lot of schools over there are very focussed around their (American-) Football teams and similar sports. I've nothing against sports being a part of school life, for those who enjoy that sort of thing. But they should never, *ever* be the primary focu
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To be fair - my high school faculty were good at encouraging me in any direction I chose, and I owe some of my teachers a great debt for the effort they put forth for me. It was my peers, my classmates, who made my daily life a living hell. Being bullied was what disconnected me from other people and sent me deep into my studies, and that's what got me through an Ivy League education and a Silicon Valley IPO small fortune. But it also left deep emotional scars that I still deal with. I would gladly have giv
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I hope you find what you're looking for anyway.
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I doubt he is either - he referred to kicking a football. Normally only two players per team do that, slightly more are involved in throwing, catching and running with it, but many never even touch it during a game.
NMT (Score:3)
New Mexico Tech has a set of summer camps. nmt.edu
They're all engineering/science/computer related. I'd chuck my kids off there, if I had them, without any reservations.
consider an internship instead? (Score:1)
When I was in high school, I was lucky to get a summer job at IBM doing internal Linux support in one of their software divisions. I learned a lot, enjoyed my work, and made some industry contacts. At the time, it was pretty sweet to make some money as well. So if you want something a little more intensive and specific than a general science camp, maybe an internship would be a good fit.
As I said, I got kind of lucky with this -- my high school CS teacher knew someone -- but if you just take some initiat
hmm (Score:5, Insightful)
Lots of state schools have programs like this... (Score:1)
Summer Camp for Atheists, Freethinkers, Humanists (Score:3)
It's slightly off-topic, so pardon this, but many of the Slashdot readers are also atheists, freethinkers, etc.
There is an international network of summer camps called Camp Quest (www.CampQuest.org), and they teach about science, peer review, skepticism, evolution... plus all your traditional camp activities like hiking, arts and crafts, campfires, etc.
There's about a dozen locations in the US, including two in California, plus three overseas.
Google is your friend...but try non-computer camps (Score:2)
At that age I remember having a great time at summer computer camp in Vermont (2 weeks sleep away) in the early/mid 80's. I had the best time doing the non-computer things (like sailing on Lake Champlain), but I always did as many computer related activities/classes as I could. We got to use the newest Commodore CBM with Pascal! As an advanced class I also learned Fortran on the big IBM (System/34 I thi
any idea camp or summer college program (Score:2)
Honest advice (Score:2)
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My honest advice, is to get a fucking life. Seriously, get away from the computer this whole summer and meet new people, socialise, have some fun, do some normal teenage things, drink beer, get laid, go travelling, teach English, whatever.
Maybe it's an America/Europe thing, but are you suggesting the teenagers interested in computers don't do this stuff? Some of them don't, but as many "normal" teenagers don't either.
I remember the last week of secondary school (16), when the "normal" people were talking to us "nerdy" people. They were quite surprised that several of us had girl/boyfriends -- just not from the same school; that we'd all been drunk as often (or more often!) than they had; and had done things like visit London (long way, 30x
Wrong type of camp. (Score:4, Funny)
When I was 14, the only kind of camp I was interested in was one with hot girls. That isn't going to be a tech camp...
iD Tech Camps (Score:2)
One neat camp (Score:2)
http://www.watonka.com/cgi-local/wpage [watonka.com]
I am making the assumption that you're male (which I realize may be incorrect); the camp is boys-only. It's a neat place with a very particular subculture. I spent 4 summers there when I was a little younger;. there were the best summers of my teenage life. They are very welcoming of teens from other countries (my last year there we had a guy, Eisa, straight off the plane from Japan. He spoke little English. We spoke zero Japanese. We made it work beca
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Came here to say this.
I went for four years in the mid '80's, and had a great time every year. Everything from model rocketry, to robotics (building Hero), to Pascal. (Mid '80's, remember...). And the games of Capture The Flag that were held in the forest are still some of my best memories...
I enjoyed the Hillsdale Science Camp (Score:2)
1980 calling (Score:2)
This is the 21st century. "Computer camp" means getting involved in an open source project from the comfort of your basement.
If you want to come to summer camp in the U.S., by all means do it. You'll have a blast! But if you find aspiring young programmers in camp, it'll be sheer coincidence. Camp isn't where young programmers go to aspire.
How about The Second Mile? (Score:2)
Internship (Score:2)
Seriously. Work for an ISV (Independent Software Vendor) this summer.
Better yet, if you're really adventurous (since you're going to be 15), get an internship at CRS4 - a really neat place in Sardinia (Sardegna) about 25 miles from Cagliari. Sardegna is an incredibly beautiful place (I lived there for a few years, but up north in Sassari.)
http://www.crs4.it/ [crs4.it]
There are probably exchange parents in the area you could stay with.
College class? (Score:2)
In the US we have a concept called "community colleges". They're often more community oriented than a large university and offer many two-year degree programs. Anyway, community college classes can be easier than university classes. I'm not sure if there's something like that in your country, but how about enrolling in a college class in the summer? Most summer semesters are much shorter. You'll probably find the structure of the classes much more appealing than the school you're in right now. You won
Quantum Physics / Computing? (Score:2)
I used to work at the Institute for Quantum Computing (http://iqc.uwaterloo.ca) in Waterloo, ON, Canada.
They offer a summer program called QCSYS for deserving high school students. You should check it out: http://iqc.uwaterloo.ca/conferences/qcsys2012 [uwaterloo.ca]
National Computer Camps (Score:2)
Back in the 80s, I attended National Computer Camp [nccamp.com] (please don't hold the web design against them) where I got my first real taste of coding. My daughter attended last summer and it is still an amazing environment run by its founder, Dr. Zabinski. Of course, they continue to update lessons [nccamp.com] to keep up with modern technology. They cater to all levels of programming so if that's your thing, you will definitely not be bored. There's a lot of time given to creative computing and gaming. They're pretty flexible a
Teenagers should scare the s*it out of me.... (Score:2)
Take a white water kayaking course, and figure out what physics is for.
Nobody under the age of 25 should spend their 'recreational time' doing something to purposely advance their careers or anything so stupidly dull. Secondly, you will learn more by doing something real than hiding in a nerd lounge.
Perhaps most importantly, young people should seek out experiences that cause extreme emotional sensations as a way to build up the emotional muscle they need for real life. Thrill seeking, adventure, or if
Summer Science Program (Score:2)
Check out some of the local community colleges (Score:2)
There are TONS of community colleges through out the United States. Most of them offer some sort of education enrichment courses that pretty much mirror what you are asking for. When I was a kid, my local community college (Rock Valley Community College), offered a program called Whiz Kids (this program is still run, but I believe under a different marketing name). I took classes on computer programming, robotics, electronics, and rocketry. These were classes that were designed for junior-college studen
Young Eagles Camp at EAA headquarters (Score:2)
What about Canada? (Score:2)
I don't know about what's available in the U.S., but perhaps going to Canada would be an alternative? Vancouver is a very nice city, and there's Science AL!VE [sciencealive.ca] program at Simon Fraser University, run by student volunteers. I've heard some praises of it.
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I'll never forget my first programming job working for Fluent Technologies [fluenttech.com]. Nice people who were amazed how much of VB6 I already knew, and helped me fill out my range with that technology.
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That gave me a chuckle. Fluent is one of those companies that thinks adhering to a scammer-like front page template gives them a reason to be proud. FundUtopia, ha ha.
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OR if you can't get a job and want to go to the US, contact the people at NYC Resistor [hackerspaces.org], the New York Hackerspace. Just tell them you are interested in those things, you'd like to come and hang around for two weeks around people with similar interests who actually do something with them, and you need a couch to crash on. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a cheaper, more interesting and more educational alternative to a summer camp.
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Yeah, I know, everyone on slashdot was a fucking CEO at 13 and had their own helicopter.
Re:Why USA? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would you want to come to this gestapo country? Stay in Europe. What are you going to want to do next summer, go to summer camp in North Korea?
I think this kid would like to broaden his horizons. I don't think this would be a negative experience overall, as a youth I attended a summer camp located on the border between Canada and the US, besides North Americans, there were a number of other nationalities. It made for a more interesting experience.
I think this sort of thing should be encouraged, it not only will benefit him, but the other campers will benefit being exposed to his culture.
Speaking of US and Canada, I recommend: (Score:5, Informative)
I disagree. Camps are a about a lot more than just learning material - there is a huge social interaction component that goes along with them that you're just not going to get on a summer job. And frankly, the social skills are the more important aspect of the program than the academic material for many of the participants (myself having been one of them.)
I strongly recommend:
http://youthprograms.mtu.edu/explorations.php [mtu.edu]
Summer Youth Programs at Michigan Tech University. I suppose it's been 16 years since I've been, but they were excellent then and a quick perusal of their site leads me to believe they are excellent now, especially if you're interested in Engineering.
There are just not many opportunities for High School students to get exposure to real engineering, but this program definitely offers them.
Oh, and there are girls there.
Anyway, I went 2 or 3 summers and always had a great time. It's not just tech class stuff, there's a strong social program associated with it as well.
Great for those of you who are in HS, and those of you who now have HS-aged children yourselves. I'm honestly not aware of another program in the US like it.
I also did the Illinois Math and Science Academy program as an incoming freshmen or sophomore (it's been a while), but their program focuses more on straight math/science and not so much on practical engineering application, so I definitely preferred Tech. Then again, I don't remember much from the IMSA camp other than the girls and the pinball machine (much time spent on both, although probably more on the pinball machine) so take that as you will. Depending on your age, you could do both; IMSA as an incoming Freshman and Michigan Tech after that.
One other difference is the IMSA program was loaded with a lot more math/science nerds (I recognized a lot of people at IMSA from math competitions), while Tech had a more well-rounded group of people and programs (a lot of participants are Tech alum who just think it's a good idea to get their kids exposed to engineering), so I also liked Tech as an opportunity to work on social skills with non-nerds in a low-pressure environment (nobody knows you when you start and you're leaving in a week or two, so no permanent damage) - and I needed the practice.
Oh, one more I did:
http://engage.illinois.edu/entry/5785 [illinois.edu]
Now called "Exploring Your Options", back in my day it was S.I.T.E., student introduction to engineering. I was pretty sure at that point I was going to Illinois though (summer prior to senior year) so it was double-helpful for me in just learning the engineering department and campus, and a lot of the people I met in the camp ended up attending Illinois as well so it was a leg up on meeting people. I'd say this is a good program if you're a Senior and did the others, but if I was picking ONE, I'd still probably go with Michigan Tech. IMSA vs. UofI will just depend on age. I think the UofI program would have been less interesting if I were not already sure I were goingto UofI.
Caveat: I was in high school 16-20 years ago, so my info is a bit dated. :)
Re:Speaking of US and Canada, I recommend: (Score:4, Funny)
And I meant to move that up one set of posts... ooops. Guess they were not teaching slashdot posting in summer camp.
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Why would you want to come to this gestapo country? Stay in Europe.
Maybe he wants to defect from Communist Europe.
No more NSF... (Score:3)
It's really too bad that it no longer exists, but back when I was in high school (71-74), there was a great National Science Foundation program. The program invited science-oriented HS kids for 2-4 weeks (?) to programs on college campuses. It was like summer camp, but educational.
I went to a chemistry program at University of North Dakota and a electrical engineering one at University of Southern California. The programs were relatively inexpensive and there was scholarship money available to offset tuit
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I'm not sure a 4 year old press release counts as evidence something hasn't been discontinued...
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Why such a grumpy dick?
Something 4 years old just didn't seem like a great reference to show something hasn't been disbanded. 1.5 years old is better obviously.
Re:Why USA? (Score:5, Insightful)
Why would you want to come to this gestapo country? Stay in Europe. What are you going to want to do next summer, go to summer camp in North Korea?
To learn about the USA, and make up his own mind. Then he can return to Europe, and be pleased with what he has, but see what should be improved.
(I visited the USA when I was 14, with my parents. We did a massive 8000km road trip. This is said so often by Europeans that it's a cliché: it was a great place to visit, but I don't want to live there.)
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Ask Dmitry Sklyrov about that. He barely made it out of here without going to prison for his programming activities.
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I visited the USA when I was 14, with my parents. We did a massive 8000km road trip.
I cannot off the top of my head think of a more boring holiday than driving hundreds of kilometres each day. And as a 14 year old passenger, I think I would have become suicidal.
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I visited the USA when I was 14, with my parents. We did a massive 8000km road trip.
I cannot off the top of my head think of a more boring holiday than driving hundreds of kilometres each day. And as a 14 year old passenger, I think I would have become suicidal.
We travelled for three weeks, and in the last two days covered about 3000km (my parents shared the driving for those days). That leaves about 260km per day. I "navigated" most of the way. I don't remember getting bored -- maybe occasionally.
We stayed somewhere different almost every day (cheap motels), and I think we saw and did things every day. Most of it was natural geography (Yellowstone National Park, Grand Canyon etc), plus some native American historical sites, and the occasional modern city.
We th
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Why would you want to come to this gestapo country? Stay in Europe.
Fascism is always about to descend upon the US, but somehow always lands in Europe...
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Why would you want to come to this gestapo country? Stay in Europe. What are you going to want to do next summer, go to summer camp in North Korea?
Why does every discussion have to devolve into US bashing? This country has been heading in the wrong direction since Sep 11th and it sucks, but we still have real freedom of speech including "hate speech", and in many areas you can own just about any weapon you want, including full auto with the right tax stamp. These are things you can't do in most of Europe or Canada. Not that I have anything against Europe or Canada. Their laws are their business not mine. To the original question, if you have the means to travel to the US or another country, do it. I've lived in Europe and Asia and travel has always been a learning experience for me.
The freedoms to own unnecessarily powerful weapons and threaten people because of their colour do not rank very highly on my list of desirable things to do.
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From my point of view, in the UK, it seems to be preventing the British government from removing our existing freedoms.
Also, I voted for an MEP -- using a fairer voting system than for the national elections, too.
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I am a teenager (aged 14, though turning 15 before summer), and I've recently been looking for summer camps in the USA
Also, your advice is completely worthless since this student specifically mentions they are less interested in learning to program than they are in learning about math and physics.
P.S. Do you happen to work in my IT department? Your writing style feels oddly familiar for some reason...
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I may seem familiar because I've been wring on off and on Slashdot since 2000. More time to post here when I'm unemployed, I'm around here less when I have a job to do.
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