Google Consolidates Privacy Policies Across Services 239
parallel_prankster writes "The Washington Post reported Tuesday that Google will require users to allow the company to follow their activities across e-mail, search, YouTube, and other services; a radical shift in strategy that is expected to invite greater scrutiny of its privacy and competitive practices. The information will enable Google to develop a fuller picture of how people use its growing empire of Web sites. Consumers will have no choice but to accept the changes. The policy will take effect March 1 and will also impact Android mobile phone users. 'If you're signed in, we may combine information you've provided from one service with information from other services,' Alma Whitten, Google's director of privacy, product, and engineering, wrote in a blog post."
The angle of the Washington Post article is a bit negative; Google sees this as consolidating an absurd number of privacy policies for its various services into a single, unified document. Reader McGruber adds: "Donald E. Graham, the Washington Post's chairman and CEO, joined Facebook's Board of Directors in January 2009. Curiously, the Washington Post article neglects to disclose that."
evil is as evil does (Score:2)
But I will be nice and point out that this happened at the same time FB's Blakeboy blasted Google [slashdot.org] for being evil.
Re:evil is as evil does (Score:5, Insightful)
It is no different than anything else. There is a restaurant in town I will not go to because their service is pitiful. I refuse to support their model with my dollars. If you don't like Google's practices, you are free to take your private information to another email/search/whatever provider.
Of course most of this is wasted thought, because many of those complaining about Google violating their privacy just updated their location from their phone, posted what they had for breakfast on Facebook, and tweeted details of their morning bowel movement.
Re:evil is as evil does (Score:5, Funny)
You must be one of my followers.
Re:evil is as evil does (Score:5, Insightful)
http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/html/intl/en/plugin/
Re:evil is as evil does (Score:4, Insightful)
I already opt out of everything new they've been doing as possible. However they appear to be determined to alter what I see based on my actions, "helping" me.
It's already marginal as to what I'm able to opt out of, and it's rapidly getting worse. Their vision of internet utopia doesn't match mine.
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Facebook, and increasingly Google, ARE personal information vendors. Compiling your personal information and selling it to advertisers, or the promise that they will be able to do this in the future, are the basis for their market cap.
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Sweet! Where on Google can I buy (your) personal information?
Re:evil is as evil does (Score:5, Insightful)
You can already buy consumer data analytics systems with fancy GIS based interfaces that allow you to click on an individual house and pull up hundreds of records. What type of movies they watch, how old they are, what prescription drugs they do (or might) take, who employs them, what types of purchase they make, psychographic profiles, etc. They pull from hundreds of public and private data sources, then consolidate and geocode *everything*. Bob Jones likes to buy hydroponics supplies and glass pipes, laxatives and My Little Ponies. Sally Fields apparently collects Chia Pets. I suppose it's fine when just advertisers and marketers are using this stuff, but it gets real creepy when it moves beyond that.
I'm fine with customized ads from Google, but I want it de-identified and siloed as much as possible and not linked across services. Not being a lawyer, I dunno how privacy policies and EULAs translate in this circumstance, but it's easy for me to imagine a hypothetical bankruptcy fire sale of Google assets in which their data was made available to these consumer data warehouses.
The applications for this stuff are in their infancy, but it's very easy to imagine a scary future. Do I really want my state child protective services cross referencing households with children with households of, I dunno, atheists? Or the DEA looking up all the aforementioned buyers of grow lights? Or my city cross referencing the purchases of plumbing supplies with people who pulled permits to try to find building code violators? Or some loony group like Westboro Baptist Church publishing some kind of index of the best people to target for harassment or worse? Or employers building enormous psychological profiles of all their employees to try to weed out the subversive types?
big difference (Score:5, Insightful)
You're not correct. And THAT is where the big difference between Google and Facebook lies. Google sells eyes, but the fact of the matter is that they are anonymous eyes, but sold as eyes belonging to people most likely to purchase the product being marketed. However, until you click on that link, all the company knows is that they've been matched to you by the black box of Google magic.
Facebook, on the other hand, shares information with "partners". They are BY DEFINITION a personal info vendor.
Google sells ads, and tailors them to the vendor. Facebook sells your data to the vendor directly. BIG difference in privacy implications.
Re:big difference (Score:4, Interesting)
Every sentence in this should be prefaced with "Today". Today that's true, but they are clearly trying to take over the market Facebook has monopolized, and the information is no good without selling it.
I know Google is beloved by groupthink here, but if people think they wouldn't love to do what Facebook is doing, you're fooling yourselves.
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Just treat their services as separate companies. Use different e-mail addresses to register Google+, YouTube, Gmail, whatever else you use. Use that one thing and then close your browser (with 'delete cookies when closing' checked).
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't use the IP address to identify you, especially with so many people accessing behind work NAT. With dial-up going away, people are holding on to an IP longer, but it's not guaranteed.
I actually have 2 youtube accounts. One is the one where I watch
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Yes, the MAY know it's the same computer.. maybe. they still don't know anything about YOU.
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At least I can use fake names. They've created a really nice email/youtube/google profile of a guy named Hick Dead (until either Google or Congress outlaws that practice)
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Didn't you ever think they are not bothered if they know your real name or not, the adverts they target at Hick Dead are just as relevant to you anyway, assuming that what you view on utube, google or have in your inbox reflect your views and purchasing decisions
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I don't disagree with the sentiment of your post, but it's more like if your restaurant with pitiful service was the biggest restaurant in town and no other restaurants could ever hope to get a foothold in your town. Every now and again we hear some small guy trying to create a new search engine and then we never hear from them again. Today, unless you are a major corporation with deep pockets, the chances of breaking into the web search business is nearly zero. The other services they provide maybe somewha
Re:account (Score:2)
Okay, so now I'm glad that I kept my email with Yahoo.
At least it makes it a *little* harder to do the "total profile" if it's cross competitors. Of course I might have to worry about Microsoft pulling this stunt, but that's at least next month's problem, not today's.
So okay:
Yahoo Mail, Startpage (Proxied-Or-Something Google search), Youtube. So I can keep the divisions of duties separate.
If I want "Google's nice targetted ads" I'll think about a "Honeypot" account.
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Your chance of breaking into the web search business is hardly zero. You can create a crawler, provide a web interface and allow people to search your indexes for as much as you'd like to charge (hopefully you include hosting fees and data warehousing in those figures...) If you want to charge $0 for it, the only barrier to you getting in the search business isn't Google. It's finding funds to power your servers. Google isn't preventing you from doing any of that. Heck, I can go home right now and "bre
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So, if I open a restaurant down the street and nobody visits my new restaurant it's McDonalds fault because they are the biggest restaurant chain in the world and somehow (simply because of their size?) they are preventing people from visiting your door?
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Re:There is a restaurant in town I will not go to (Score:2)
The difference is that Restaurants don't (normally!) log you as a customer, match your name on an email lookup, then email you to come back or something.
The problem with all of this is that email is "private info type 1" to coin a phrase, aka communication you sent to specific people and *no one else*. Youtube is "private info type 2" which is that you secretly relieve stress by watching Chad Vader episodes on YouTube (to pick a harmless example.) I WANT a little separation between those two activities!
It's
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Of course they log you as a customer... have you ever used your credit card number to buy food? You got logged in their accounts receivable. It may not be your email address, but they can get in contact with you via that number. It may be a layer of abstraction, but technically so is a SPAM filter.
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>>>It's the world's greatest Blackmail Engine.
Also government spy resource and censorship: âoeUS government authorities called for the removal of 113 videos from YouTube, including several documenting alleged police brutality which Google refused to take down..... The reason listed for the removal of one You Tube video in one instance is âoegovernment criticismâ. The exact identity or content of the video is not divulged. The report states that the removal requests pertaining to
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>>>"quite disturbing 'treat corporations like ballclubs' complete with cheering and booing"
This is nothing new. In technology it goes all the way back to the Atari versus Commodore versus IBMPC versus Apple battles. Nintendo versus Sega. Or even earlier: Atari versus Intellivision. Or among rednecks: Ford vs. Dodge. Battling over corporations is a favorite passtime.
"Do no evil"
doesn't work because most evil is performed by people who think they are doing good. Google execs probably thinks the
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One of the best posts I've seen in months.
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Of course, they'll still get a huge amount of information on you from your friends which use Google, and from any presence you have on the web at all. I eventually decided that the information they could get from my e-mail was minor compared to the benefits of Gmail. This is particularly true since they already got most of my e-mails since my friends used Google.
Re:evil is as evil does (Score:4, Insightful)
I have to be signed in to be able to disable as much of the personalization crap as possible to have some semblance of the Google that I used to love. Also to subscribe in Youtube and view 18+ videos.
What I don't want is them changing anything I enter or changing what I see based on anything about me. But they are bound and determined to do exactly that.
I don't want to be helped. Show me ads relevant to content, but leave me out of it.
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What I don't want is them changing anything I enter or changing what I see based on anything about me. But they are bound and determined to do exactly that.
That's my biggest problem with Google search, The words that I type to search are not the words that are used to produce the results. There used to be a link on Google Search that would provide results to your literal input, but I can't find that link anymore. What is the point of doing a search for me if you don't use the input that I provide?
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Google's new unprivacy policy sucks.
In what way? I'm not saying it doesn't; I have no idea what the issues are or are claimed to be. Just saying that there's one policy now instead of many before doesn't seem to be a problem - in fact it increases the chance that a user can take the time to understand the policy that applies. Does it allow disclosure of data that wasn't permitted before? Or use by staff who wouldn't have had access before? What are the actual changes in policy language that achieve this?
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RTFS! I skimmed through the summary and I'm under the impression that they would be intergrating their knowledge about you from their different services better.
Better for them, to better be able to manipulate you more efficiently.
They're like Hari Seldon, but more about the individual and (probably) more about making you do stuff they'd like you to do (such as purchasing more of one product or another) than about figuring out where we're all headed. And they're in it to exploit you, unlike Hari Seldon. They
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They also force new users to open Youtube and Google+ social accounts they don't want. (And then post your activities from Youtube/Google+ to stranger's search results of your name.)
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The problem with the argument that Google isn't doing evil with this data, "it's just advertising, what's the problem?", is that you are placing an awful lot of trust in an organisation that has little invested in keeping you happy. When the day comes (as it may) that Google uses your information in a way that you don't like, it will be too late. The data will be out of the bottle. You can leave any time you like, but you can't take it with you.
This is why anyone with any sense maintains multiple Google
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I didn't even realize that they weren't already doing this. Honestly, it seems silly to me to not have the same privacy policy across the sites they own and to share data between services. It works out better for them and better for me. As long as they aren't sharing that picture with people I haven't given the data to, I really could care less if they use the data I've given them to make services better for me and more profitable for them. (The two are, after all, generally synonymous when dealing with
Great idea (Score:4, Insightful)
I think this is a great idea for both users and the company. Users have only a single place that they have to go to for their privacy concerns. Likewise for the company they only have to have corporate counsel review one privacy policy instead of several. The company saves money and the consumer saves hassle.
Note that I'm only talking about the idea of consolidating the privacy policies themselves. I am not talking about the merit of whether or not the privacy policy is a good one or not.
Re:Great idea (Score:5, Insightful)
The explanation as given makes an awful lot of sense. Simply put, as they've purchased many of the products they're offering, they've had mulitple privacy statements. All that is happening now is that they're finally consolidating those items into "Google" tm itself, thus they can finally simplify and consolidate many of the privacy statements into a single version, which in my mind is a "Good Thing" as I'll be able to follow any changes to those services I use on a daily basis.
One thing I've always figured is that Google was using any and all of the information they have collected on me to target their ads to me so this actually pleases me because I don't have to look all over the place for each services privacy statement to know what they actually collect and how they use it. It is important to note that as they've said, some products/services have regulatory compliance issues, thus they will retain individual privacy statements in order to comply with those regulations.
Re:Great idea (Score:4, Insightful)
Hmm (Score:5, Interesting)
I actually assumed they already did this (used your email to determine what ads you saw on search and such).
Either way, personally it doesn’t bug me too much. If they were selling the information it might.. but as long as they keep it in house and it’s all being processed by automated algorithms I’ve got no qualms.
That’s not to say I don’t recognize other people might have issues with this, and I definitely don’t subscribe to the whole “if you have nothing to hide” nonsense. This is just my personal view. Some people want privacy and they don’t (nor should they) need a reason.
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I thought they did that regardless of you being signed in or not.. maybe that's the way they used to do it? with cookies, but perhaps that would have soon been illegal in some locales, whereas using your signed in information is not?
the question again is does the tracking end when you log out.
Re:Hmm (Score:5, Informative)
I thought they did that regardless of you being signed in or not.. maybe that's the way they used to do it? with cookies, but perhaps that would have soon been illegal in some locales, whereas using your signed in information is not?
the question again is does the tracking end when you log out.
The privacy policy is pretty clear, I think. Yes they use cookies to track you even when you're not signed in, and they try to connect that with you when you do sign in. If you want to ensure Google never tracks you, you can opt out using their privacy tools. That will install a "do not track" cookie which will cause Google to discard all of that data, except where they aggregate it into statistics that are in no way connectable to you. Unfortunately, various actions can cause that "do not track" cookie to be lost, so if you want to be really sure install Google's "keep my opt outs" extension, which will ensure the cookie is always present.
Re:Hmm (Score:4, Informative)
the question again is does the tracking end when you log out.
Yes, Google tracks you all over the place
But you can Opt-Out
http://www.google.com/ads/preferences/html/intl/en/plugin/
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Kind of my point.
I know there isn't some guy peering through my search history and reading my email.. having a chuckle at my expense. It's an algorithm counting the number of times I said "guitar" over the last few years, matching it up in some tables, and showing me ads for rocksmith (which btw I bought and is actually pretty neat.. sometimes web ads are effective!).
If they start selling the data to choicepoint, then it's a different story.
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Completely off-topic, but have you tried Rock Band 3's Pro Guitar (the real one, not the mustang), and if so, how does Rocksmith compare?
I have a Rock Band 3 Fender Squier Stratocaster - the actual guitar, and Rock Band 3 really nails it. The software is excellent, and the fretboard sensors really help you learn quickly. Plus it helps I've got like 150 songs availible (out of my 600+ collection for Rock Band). I've heard people saying that Rocksmith performs well, and given the impossibility of getting the
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Haven't tried Rock Band 3. I mainly bought rocksmith as it let me use the guitar I already have.
I _suspect_ the Rock Band 3 experience is probably a little better due to actually having sensors in the fret board. There are some things rocksmith can't pull off due to getting all it's data purely from sound. You can play different forms of chords and get away with it for instance.
That said, I was quite impressed with how much stuff they do pull off. What they have works damn near flawlessly, and the sound mod
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Yeah, being able to use any Guitar is really a big plus - I imagine it's something we'll see in Rock Band 4 (albeit Harmonix have stated that RB4 won't be happening for a while - they are just re-releasing Rock Band 3 at the moment, IIRC).
The difference between game an learning tool is an interesting one. Rock Band 3 nails both pretty well, as they have the time to get the gameplay right, and Pro mode is implemented well. I might have to pick up Rocksmith and give it a try, as the Squier will work with it l
Re:Hmm (Score:5, Insightful)
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...right up until the point you are searching Google at work and it starts flashing up ads for midget porn based on that mailing list you signed up for in your personal gmail account.
Turn on safe search.
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I was being facetious with my choice of "midget porn". There could be any number of embarrassing things or just things you don't want your co-workers to know about that aren't blocked by safe search.
Agreed. Either keep your work and personal accounts separate (which might actually improve the personalization in both contexts) or else opt out of personalization if there are things you don't want to bleed over.
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If you are concerned about that, just don't sign in at work with the same Google Account.
You don't need to sign in to use Google Search in the first place, and its quite possible to have more than one Google Account.
The amazing thing (Score:5, Insightful)
is that people are surprised or even upset about this.
Google is an ad company, nothing more. Of course they're going to grub for every last iota of personal information they can -- it's what they do.
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Why shouldn't they be. In some countries, you know, outside of the US. Cross-product tracking is still...illegal, and requires written or verbal permission before a change like this can happen.
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Why shouldn't they be?:
legally (current terms of service, not the new one):
By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit...
morally:
Google makes no effort to hide the fact that they use your information to sell ads, anyone who finds it objectionable that they continue to do so was a fool to sign up in the first place. They've done nothing wrong by finding further use for the data that you have already willingly given to them (with the full knowledge that they are using to that end).
financially:
Google is providing a service that has some worth tied to it (
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That's nice. But legally since google operates in Canada, and Germany. They're still bound by the privacy laws of both countries, and in turn the EU privacy laws. In Canada, modifying the privacy terms requires that they contact you directly not by 'notification' by directly via your contact information which is provided. Otherwise the changes are considered null and void. Further, specific individual tracking across sites has further stipulations which have to be agreed to which the user may be allowe
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As a Canadian I'm interested in what law school you attended. You seem to have concrete answers to issues that are still played out in courts here; whatever school it was clearly either has a time machine or needs to play the lottery more.
Is this some strange new definition of 'No Choice' (Score:2)
Sheesh. You and other sheeple will have no choice, but the rest of us will be just fine.
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Not much of a choice if you ask me.
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NEWSFLASH: Doctor makes money from sick. (Score:3, Insightful)
In a shock revelation this morning, journalists from McGruber "but I haven't told you where my interests lie" Inc. have uncovered credible information that doctors - professionals who spend much of their time administering advice, medication and surgery to sick people - also make money from providing these services. A spokesperson for doctors has been consulted to ask her why it is that all sentences uttered by doctors do not include a clear and explicit statement of this obvious conflict of interest.
Professor of Internet Argument Steve Meretzky at the University of Life states, "We have no idea why doctors have gone so long without admitting this. It opens them up to immediate defeat by ad hominem and a warm, smug glow on the face of the other party." The Professor then suggested that the warm, smug glow could be reinterpreted by doctors as a sign of illness and used to sell patients more unnecessary healthcare.
Rep. Simon Schama (DR., Washingwa), promises to next week propose a bill requiring all doctors to explain to their patients how jobs work. "You can trust me," he explains, "because made a campaign promise during the last election that I would only accept campaign contributions from the media industry, but not the medical industry."
We look forward to updating readers on progress in the legislature.
It's not a policy change, just education (Score:5, Interesting)
This isn't a change in Google's policy, or practice. Google has long collected information about all of its users, and used that information for targeted advertising. Those of us who think about things realized long ago that Google has tremendous visibility into our on-line activities and is smart enough to be able to extract a lot of information about us. All that's happening here is that Google is making this fact more visible to users by condensing dozens of long privacy policy documents written in legalese into one short, understandable document. According to their blog entry, Google is also going to be doing a lot of advertising to make sure that everyone is aware of the policy document.
In the short term, I think Google is going to suffer from a lot of backlash from users who are frightened by the explanation of what Google collects about them, but I think this is a really positive move by Google and I hope it spurs other on-line service providers to follow suit. If you're going to collect and use personal information about people, telling them what you're collecting and how you're using it, and doing so in a way that is easy to understand is the right thing to do. Spending money on a media blitz to make sure that everyone knows how you're watching them is going above and beyond.
Google's policy document also contains a link to Google's privacy tools, which make it easy for users to see what Google is tracking about them and to opt out if they don't want to be tracked. It's potentially risky for Google to advertise that to large numbers of people, but again it's the right thing to do. Google's theory is that when given the ability to make an informed choice, people will see enough value in the search personalization and even targeted advertising that they'll be okay with it.
I guess the truly selfless thing to do would be to make all of Google's tracking opt-in, rather than opt-out, but that's probably too much to hope for -- and it may even be that the world is better off this way, because if Google is right about the value of mass personalization we'd probably never know because hardly anyone will opt in. This way, it's possible that large numbers of people will opt out, but not the majority. In any case, making it all opt in would almost certainly be very damaging to Google's business. The current approach is significantly less risky, but still enables people to limit their privacy exposure if they wish.
[Disclaimer: I'm a Google engineer. I work on the security of systems that process payments to/from Google, though, not on anything related to personal information tracking or privacy (other than I do work really hard to make sure users' payment instruments are well-protected, even from me). These opinions are my own, and based on Google's public statements not on inside information.]
Re:It's not a policy change, just education (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh, I was also going to mention that only two points in the policy document surprised me, and both in a good way.
The first is that Google does not aggregate DoubleClick tracking data with all of the rest, unless you specifically opt-in to that tracking. Personally, I think Google's personalization is useful enough to me that I will probably track down that opt-in setting and turn it on, but I'm surprised that it's not on by default.
The second thing is that while I'd always believed that Google kept all of the data in-house, and didn't sell any of it, I hadn't ever seen a commitment in writing to that effect. After starting work for Google early last year I quickly realized that the company would have to change dramatically before they'd ever sell user information, because there's a strong sentiment -- arrogance probably isn't too strong a word -- that no one else would use it as effectively as Google, so selling it would be a waste. There's also a strong sentiment that no one else would be as responsible with it.
Anyway, it's nice to see Google commit to not selling user data. I'd like to see a similar commitment from Facebook.
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Selling, sharing...it's just a matter of money and semantics.
Information sharing
Google only shares personal information with other companies or individuals outside of Google in the following limited circumstances:
We have your consent. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information.
We provide such information to our subsidiaries, affiliated companies or other trusted businesses or persons for the purpose of processing personal information on our behalf. We require that these parties agree to process such information based on our instructions and in compliance with this Privacy Policy and any other appropriate confidentiality and security measures.
We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations thereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues, or (d) protect against harm to the rights, property or safety of Google
Make sure you read anything before clicking Yes.
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Selling, sharing...it's just a matter of money and semantics.
It's far more than semantics... and money changes hands either way. The difference is that Google holds the subsidiaries, affiliates, etc., to Google's privacy policy. So Google continues to take responsibility for the way the data is used.
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Spending money on a media blitz to make sure that everyone knows how you're watching them is going above and beyond.
Hmmm, now I'm suspicious... wait a minute...
[Disclaimer: I'm a Google engineer.
Ah, now I get it.
Re:It's not a policy change, just education (Score:5, Interesting)
Spending money on a media blitz to make sure that everyone knows how you're watching them is going above and beyond.
Hmmm, now I'm suspicious... wait a minute...
What makes you suspicious?
Actually, I know what makes you suspicious, and it's a common problem for Google. Everyone thinks that no corporation can ever do anything that appears good for the public and costly to the company unless there's some hidden profit motive. Since Google not infrequently does things that are good for the public and costly to the company with no hidden profit motive other than building long-term goodwill, people get intensely suspicious, certain that there must be more than meets the eye... and since the company is clearly trying to hide whatever that something is, it must be something really nefarious.
But the truth is simpler: Thought Google screws up from time to time, it generally does try to be a good citizen, and up front about its motives and methods.
[Disclaimer: I'm a Google engineer.
Ah, now I get it.
That doesn't mean what you think it means. Like most engineers (and especially security engineers), I'm fairly suspicious of corporate skullduggery, and protective of on-line privacy. Like most Google engineers, I'm capable enough that I could easily work elsewhere if I felt like my talents were being put to evil uses. And as a recent hire, it's not like I have much of my net worth tied up in Google stock (I have a few shares that were given to me as a signing bonus), so I really have no motivation to shill for the company, even if I were dumb enough to think my posts on slashdot could affect the stock price.
So, again, what I post is the simple truth as I see it. There's no doubt that I have a positive bias towards Google, but that bias arises not from the fact that they deposit my bi-weekly paycheck, but because I see a lot of what Google does from the inside -- and it impresses me.
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As a publicly traded company, Google has a fiduciary duty to maximize return on investment for the shareholders.
Google's corporate structure is actually somewhat unique in that respect. What you say isn't totally untrue, but a more accurate statement is that Google's leadership has a legal responsibility to meet the company's goals, as expressed in the Articles of Incorporation and the IPO prospectus. As a practical matter, Google's leadership also has to satisfy the voting shareholders or they'll be kicked out.
In most cases, the Articles of Incorporation and the prospectus say that the company's #1 goal is profi
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and if they're not? I see not a single serious problem this solves. it just puts people into little bowls where they no longer can get a clear picture of what the rest of the
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no. missing out on additional profits you could have had by being a fucking whore is not the same as suffering damage. that's not even a nice try, and shame on you for even attempting to pull that one.
Choosing to unilaterally change the business approach in a way that would reduce revenue would be considered "damage" to the business. What would the actual impact be? I'm sure someone in Google could tell you, but I don't know, so let's just assume the decrease in effectiveness of Google's targeted ads would decrease Google's revenues by 20%, based purely on reduced click-through (Google's primary business model is such that Google only gets paid if you click on the ad). That would be damage. Further,
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are you kidding? I'm not even reading your response. I'm not interested in rehashes of your opinions -- you made those quite clear, and it's just the usual shallow, spineless garbage.
no, I'm barking at you, telling you to go and fuck yourself. so do that, or don't, but don't tell me about it.
Very well, IHBTHAND.
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[Disclaimer: I'm a Google engineer.
AaaaHaaaa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6X9KcrXHwg%5BYouTube%5D [youtube.com]
I should get a bonus for the youtube link!
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To opt out of account-associated tracking, you need to delete your account. To opt out of other tracking you can use the "keep my opt outs" extension.
If what you're looking for is a way to use Google's services while opting out of Google's business model then, no, you can't.
Eh, that's fine. (Score:2)
"Consumers will have no choice but to accept" (Score:2)
quoth "Consumers will have no choice but to accept the changes."
HOLY SHIT REALLY!?!?
No, not really. Stop with the bullshit hyperbole. Consumers have a choice whether or not to accept the changes.
Honestly I thought Google already did this (Score:2)
Hard to get outraged when I was under the assumption that Google already did this. Why wouldn't I think that any time I was logged in with my google account (shared with search, gmail, android, youtube) they they weren't collecting data in the same bin?
Same with Facebook. How many websites have the facebook "like" buttons? When you're signed in to facebook, they are watching everything else you do. Again, I assume it all goes into one big bin of information about me.
Scary to type that out, but not a new
Simple solution (Score:3)
Don't use Google for everything.
Probably the most personal information you're giving away is via search and e-mail, and they're the simplest ones to get from different providers. e.g. keep using gmail, but switch to Bing for search, or keep using Google search and switch to someone else for web mail.
For video there's no real choice other than Google, so just make sure that you're not logged in if you're viewing something you don't want to be tracked and associated with your other Google services.
I'm a bit surprised at some of the comments along the lines of "no biggie - I assumed they were doing this already.... This really does make a difference. For example if you previously limited your Google searches.to stuff you wouldn't mind your girlfriend/children/co-workers or whoever seeing as suggested search completions, but weren't so careful on youtube, now you have to worry about that... You'll be getting google search completions popping up on your screen based on your youtube viewing habits! Not so harmless, eh?
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So, use Google for all the above-board stuff, and use other services for the nefarious or disgraceful porn searching?
Bing might gain some traffic, but not the traffic they want to thump their own chest about...
Not so (Score:3)
That's not so. If you have an Android phone, which Google includes in this new policy, you are giving away your location, who you call, what you search for via the phone, etc. etc. If you phone has the facebook app, then Google also has access to all of that data.
The courts just said that the police can't use a gps device without a court order. Google just change their privacy policy to allow them to track you via your phone wherever you go.
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Sounds like a great reason not to choose an Android based phone.
Google mail + Microsoft/Bing search + Apple iPhone seems the way to go for privacy, and arguably gives you the best of each cataegory, especially since Google search seems now to be emphasizing social media / personal search vs generic web search.
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Google's new policy also coordinates your user id with your ip address, so even if you don't log in before going to YouTube, they can still tell it's you by cross referencing the IP address to when you are logged in.
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They certainly could be doing that, but they seem to be claiming to only track/group your logged-in activity, so until that changes I expect they're only doing cross-service IP based preference correlation in an anonymized fashion.... The regulatory blowback of tracking stuff your explicitly claiming not to track would seem to risky for them to do it.
That's not a privacy policy! (Score:4, Insightful)
That's not a privacy policy! That's a voyeurism policy.
Can I cancel my cell phone contract over this? (Score:3)
Cell phone companies lock you into multi-year contracts. Since Google is including Android in all of this and tells people if they don't like it, don't use the service, does that mean I can cancel my cell phone contract without early termination fees? Otherwise, my carrier is forcing me to divulge information that was not part of my original agreement with the carrier!
Huh... Everything connected to one identity? (Score:3)
I accept that Google tracks what I'm doing while logged into one of their systems and I've installed their plugin to make sure they don't track me when I'm *not*. But I was never under the impression that everything will be combined into a single identity and I don't trust that they would ONLY use such information for targeted advertising both now and in the future.
I don't want what I watch on Youtube associated with my email. I don't want documents I open in Google documents to have a history with my digital self. This is too close to a single, universal, Internet Identification program and we have stated many, many times that we do NOT want this. We have separated persona for different reasons for specific reasons. OUR reasons.
I don't want Google's "your world search" giving me biased results because I'm subscribed to a couple newsgroups or because I watched 3 back to back videos from the same band on Youtube.
Google has gone too far. When they merged GoogleAccounts with Youtube, I cancelled my Youtube account and never went back to the proper site. Last night, I started backing up everything in my Gmail account with Thunderbird and pulled everything from my Google Docs account. As of today, I'm not turning on my Asus Transformer (Android) until there's a friendly Ubuntu Tablet Edition installer.
I'm open to suggestions about where to go from here. I need online webmail that will "Do no Google."
Who has suggestions?
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Pay for email.
"Consumers will have to accept the changes" (Score:3)
Bullshit. No one has to have a Google account.
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what if someone else is on gmail and refuses to switch?
it's not like google only gets to see their sent mail, you know.
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Android phone contracts.
Visits to any site with google analytics at home, work and from mobile.
Use of youtube, including embedded videos.
Use of google docs at work.
No, you really can't use the internet without coming into contact with Google.
what i want to know is (Score:3, Interesting)
who in the slashdot organization has google stock, because every story on this site about google invariably spins positive for google
google is the new microsoft. it really is
yet the standard prejudices here on slashdot about microsoft and google on this site seem to be stuck in 2001
(now mod me troll for not towing the slashdot party line)
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also, consider this: google is supposed to be the web company. full of young, talented people. now look at the sites they churn out. you will not find a single piece of loving crafting, or elegant code, or even just something that looks like it has been made by people with eyes in the head. sterile, mediocre crap, an endless swamp of "products" of it, fawned over by (hopefully sterile) mediocre people. I'm fucking sick of it. I am amazed it took me so long to realize it and finally loose patience, too.
also,
Good (Score:3)
Only having one policy will make it easier. It's not like it allows then to get something they can't already.
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I think you kind of do consent to it.
When you sign up for an account, you agree to their privacy policy and TOS, which spells out how they will use your data.
I guess on products where you don't need an account (like search) they could prompt you or something (vice the little link to their terms and privacy policy at the bottom) but beyond that, what would you look for in "requiring user consent"?
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google is the NSA's bitch
Right. The NSA cares about which You Tube video you watch. It cares about which dodgy web site you go to (the ones with the midgets AND the horses). They care that you spend hours looking at DD bra advertisements.
Give it up. Nobody cares about you. I don't. Your mom doesn't and the NSA certainly doesn't.
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I don't give a flying fuck what other people do. in my books, google went from being cool to being "meh" to being "bah, that's what I was referring to, and that is 100% correct. they overdosed on their shiny stupid stuff -- they are now lying dead in an alley, covered in piss. what their situation is in your world is none of my concern.
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Difference is Facebook is a social networking site (http://www.facebook.com).
Google is Google +, GMail, Search, Google Maps, YouTube, Google Apps...