First Impressions of Windows 8 Powered Nokia Lumia 920 and 820 396
Nerval's Lobster writes "Nokia CEO Stephen Elop first took to the stage at Center548 on New York City's West Side, where Microsoft had first unveiled Windows Phone 7 in late 2010, to claim that Nokia was becoming a 'more nimble competitor' thanks to several strategic decisions under his tenure, including the choice of Windows Phone as the company's primary smartphone platform. ... In terms of [the 920's hardware]: the battery is 2000 mAh; the processor is a dual-core Snapdragon S4, which was apparently selected for its energy efficiency; and the aforementioned wireless charging, based on the 'Qi' wireless charging standard. ... Despite the enthusiasm displayed onstage for Windows Phone 8, the new smartphone platform poses something of a conundrum for Nokia. The company invested heavily in Windows Phone 7, all but abandoning its homegrown operating systems — including Symbian, once a dominant player in the mobile arena — in favor of Microsoft’s platform. But those Windows Phone 7 smartphones won't upgrade to Windows Phone 8 software, and nor will they run Windows Phone 8 apps."
I can't wait for wireless charging. (Score:2, Interesting)
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That's awesome but now my phone won't turn on?
If I don't get my fix of Angry Birds soon, I'll have to resort to lobbing real-world objects at other real-world objects...
"Welcome to being a Microsoft patner..." (Score:5, Funny)
"...here's your complimentary knife in the back."
Re:"Welcome to being a Microsoft patner..." (Score:5, Informative)
In memoriam: Microsoftâ(TM)s previous strategic mobile partners
ïMicrosoft's new "strategic partnership" with Nokia is not its first. For a decade the software company has courted and consummated relationships with a variety of companies in mobile and telecom. Here are the ones I can remember:
LG. In February 2009 Microsoft Corp. signed a multiyear agreement for Windows Mobile to be included on devices from LG Electronics Inc. LG would use Windows Mobile as its "primary platform"for smartphones and produce about 50 models running the software.
What happened? LG made a few Windows Mobile devices but with WinMo uncompetitive, they abandoned the platform and moved to Android losing years of market presence and all their profits.
Motorola. In September 2003, Motorola and Microsoft announced an alliance. "Starting with the introduction of the new Motorola MPx200 mobile phone with Microsoft Windows Mobile software, the companies will collaborate on a series of Smartphone and Pocket PC wireless devices designed to create a virtual "remote control" for the Web-centric, work-centric, always-on-the-go mobile professional." In addition, the alliance includes cooperation on joint marketing and wireless developer programs.
What happened? Motorola launched a series of Windows Mobile phones culminating in the Motorola Q "Blackberry killer". As Motorola hit the rocks in profitability new management reached for the Android liferaft. The company now relies exclusively on the Droid franchise.
Palm. In September 2005 Palm and Microsoft announced a strategic alliance to "accelerate the Smartphone market segment with a new device for mobile professionals and businesses. Palm has licensed the Microsoft Windows Mobile operating system for an expanded line of Treo Smartphones, the first of which will be available on Verizon Wirelessâ(TM) national wireless broadband network."
What happened? Palm shipped a few Windows Mobile, famously dismissing Appleâ(TM)s potential entry as something "PC guys" could never achieve. A new CEO, a private placement and an acquisition later the company is a division of HP making its own operating system.
Nortel. When Steve Ballmer was famously laughing at the iPhone and saying that he likes the Windows Mobile strategy "a lot" he was sitting next to the then-CEO of Nortel (Mike Zafirovski formerly of Motorola) with whom the company had just closed a strategic deal. "an alliance between Microsoft and Nortel announced in July 2006 ⦠includes three new joint solutions to dramatically improve business communications by breaking down the barriers between voice, e-mail, instant messaging, multimedia conferencing and other forms of communication".
What happened? Nortel declared bankruptcy two years later.
Verizon. In January 2009 "Verizon Wireless has selected Microsoft Corp. to provide portal, local and Internet search as well as mobile advertising services to customers on its devices. The five-year agreement will go into effect in the first half of 2009 when Microsoft Live Search is targeted to be available on new Verizon Wireless feature phones and smartphones." The deal would ensure Bing distribution to all of Verizonâ(TM)s smartphone customers.
What happened? Bing did ship on some devices but in October 2009 Droid came to Verizon.
Ericsson. In September 2000, "Ericsson and Microsoft Corp. today launched Ericsson Microsoft Mobile Venture AB. This previously announced joint company will drive the mobile Internet by developing and marketing mobile e-mail solutions for operators. The first solutions are expected to be on the market by the end of the year. The company is part of a broader strategic alliance between Ericsson and Microsoft"
What happened? Ericsson divested itself of the mobile division forming a joint venture which would go on and make more strategic alliances with Microsoft over Windows Mobile culminating in a loss of profits and eventual flight to Android.
Sendo. In February 2001, Mic
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On the other hand HTC made it big time with Windows Mobile.
Nokia stock price plummets (Score:5, Informative)
After the announcement, Nokia stock price has gone down 15 % from yesterday's closing value at OMX Helsinki. So, not the kind of announcement the market was expecting, it seems.
Re:Nokia stock price plummets (Score:5, Insightful)
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Apple stock always drops after an announcement because the rumour mill generates such hysteria that people are expecting something mindblowing. When it turns out to be only an 8 or 9 instead of a 10 they're disappointed. I don't think anyone really had those expectations about this announcement.
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I think some were still expecting a 20MP sensor and a tablet device.
I'd advise that the drop is entirely temporary and you can make yourself an easy 10% in less than a month by buying today.
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Or investors see this as the last chance to sell any quantity of stock before Nokia files the Finnish equivalent of chapter 11.
Struggling companies tend to fall on good news as people holding the stock view it as their best chance to dump it.
Nobody said. iPhones are dead this is really great. It does "X' (where "X" is something like telepathic user interface)
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I'd advise that the drop is entirely temporary and you can make yourself an easy 10% in less than a month by buying today.
I guess that's only if they can sell phones for less than the marketing they spend on them.
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Have something that would let them sell 70 million rather than 7 million phones.
Unfortunately windows 8 sucks. If people don't buy windows 8, why would they particularly care about a windows 8 phone? Does it do anything to the market that the iPhone (for people who want a good phone but know nothing about how phones work) or Android (people who want good phones and who are happy to install a cyanogen nightly build, or people who want a cheap phone that still has some smarts) don't do? Not really. This
Re:Nokia stock price plummets (Score:5, Interesting)
he unified windows 8 product family was an opportunity for microsoft to really deliver a combined, integrated entertainment and productivity experience. And they didn't.
Not sure how exactly you can say this. I have Xbox, Windows 8 on a laptop, Windows 8 on a tablet, and Windows Phone 7. Music and videos are available across all devices. I can pause on one device and resume on another. For instance I can listen to music on my TV, pause it and continue listening in the car. Or I can watch a TV show on the TV, pause it and hop in bed, continuing it there.
My tablet or laptop (or soon phone) acts as a remote controller for my Xbox; I can browse for music or movies or do searches on the device in my hand and see the results on the screen. This is especially good when searching for music to play, which is much easier with a keyboard.
Documents I write on my desktop are available to all my other devices via SkyDrive, and pictures or movies I take on my phone are automatically synced with Skydrive. These are also synced wirelessly if I choose with my laptop, along with any music I download. Soon I'll be able to play a game on my phone, pause it, then resume it on my tablet or xbox.
Caendar, mail, contacts, messages, all sync between desktop, tablet, and phone. I can even turn my purely entertainment Windows 8 tablet into a fully functional productivity PC (capable of running all my current software including matlab, photoshop, and office) by plugging in a keyboard and mouse.
So please, I'd live you to point me to an ecosystem which can do all this as seamlessly.
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AirPlay mirroring though kind of covers the gap between large-screen device usage (ie, XBox) and what you can do locally on the iPhone or iPad. I bought an AppleTV on a lark and find I use the mirroring function a lot in the living room when I find something worth throwing up on the screen. It can be a little weird touching the screen in my hand but looking at the screen across the room, but it works pretty well with games you can control via accelerometer.
I'd like to see some more apps available for Appl
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Because "good enough" is just not enough in the market where competition is fierce, entrance is quite low for "good enough" and everyone looks for "best".
Those are rules. They are sure silly, but that's how market work these days.
It's time to switch (Score:2)
Isn't that what Nokia owners have been saying for the last year already? You know. "Hmm... I think I'll go see what Symbian device or Maemo/MeeGo iteration Nokia has on offer. Oh. This is Lumia, and it's time to switch."
Yes, Nokia has great hardware. They've done that well. Now they're pulling the plug entirely on WP7 upgrades. So any developers or custome
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Now they're pulling the plug entirely on WP7 upgrades. So any developers or customers who took a chance on WP7 are being told "sorry, please buy(-in) again"
They are not "pulling the plug" as there are still updates in line for WP7. Consumers are getting many features not related to hardware via the 7.8 update and various apps. For instance the apps Nokia showed off today are all available for the Lumia 900. Developers aren't being screwed either, as all WP7 apps are forward compatible with WP8.
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After the announcement, Nokia stock price has gone down 15 % from yesterday's closing value at OMX Helsinki. So, not the kind of announcement the market was expecting, it seems.
"Buy the rumor, sell the fact"
e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_exchange_market#Market_psychology [wikipedia.org]
Does it run Linux? (Score:3, Funny)
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Yes.
(Stupid question deserves stupid answer.)
Re:Does it run Linux? (Score:4, Interesting)
Meego would be nice. I wonder if any of the Nokia engineers have it working on the new hardware?
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Platform tweaks needed to the OS? (Score:4, Interesting)
From TFA:
Nokia’s PureMotion HD+ is the company’s name for its tweaks to the display, including blur-free scrolling.
Why isn't this not only standard, but the only acceptable state these days? When will people (Android, I'm looking at you here) figure out that getting the basics so completely solid that nobody thinks about them is the kind of work that people should expect from their OS/Environment provider? Watching a video talking about how many cores the latest whatever has with jittery scrolling is just embarrasing.
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People who work for handset manufacturers buy pools and Audis with the bonus money they get for developing highly-marketable thingies like "PURE-MOTION-AITCH-DEE-PLUS".
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Well it does say "blur-free" and that's technically different than jitter. They are probably using the term incorrectly, but they could be referring to ghosting, which would be a seen as a kind of motion blur. I've never seen that problem before though. Also , smooth scrolling will be standard on Android 4.1.
WP 7 will get upgrades (Score:4, Informative)
from what i've read they will get most of the upgrades and will go to version 7.8
but even then it shouldn't be a big deal to code apps for 8 and 7. happens all the time in the app store where most apps now require iOS 4.x and will have some special iOS 5 features if you have the latest version
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You don't really have to do everything differently. First, because it still runs Silverlight-based WP7 apps. And second, because WinRT APIs are actually very close to Silverlight, so porting can often be done with as little as changing a bunch of "using" statements for namespaces in your C# code.
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from what i've read they will get most of the upgrades
That's a lie. 7.8 gets the new homescreen and that's about it. If wp8 takes off, you can say bye-bye to wp7 development because who in their right mind wastes money devving for a platform with no users. They'll be too busy learning and using the new wp8 APIs. WP7 is done, dude. And if it isn't it'll only be because WP8 flopped.
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it shouldn't be a big deal to code apps for 8 and 7. happens all the time in the app store where most apps now require iOS 4.x and will have some special iOS 5 features if you have the latest version
Inaccurate statement. We're talking about a completely different realm here from "people do this in iOS all the time." We're talking about App makers paying app developers to code the same thing two different ways so that their app will work on two platforms, neither of which has any market share to speak of. Even if 8 takes off, no one will pay to port these things to 7--the market share is just too small.
Basically, I feel bad for anyone who bought a phone running Windows Phone 7, because it is a lost c
Anyone know where Steve Balmer is? (Score:2)
Quoth the man himself:
I'll bet you right now that the next app developer to hit it really big will be a developer on Windows."
I'd quite like to take him up on that bet.
"More nimble competitor"? (Score:2)
For once I agree with Elop on something. I can fully believe that Nokia are "nimble" these days. Same way a gnat is more nimble than an 800-pound gorilla.
Personally I'm more interested to see what Jolla [wikipedia.org] come up with.
-1 Pedantic (Score:4, Informative)
"Windows 8" != "Windows Phone 8." There is a huge difference.
Very sad (Score:5, Interesting)
To think that Nokia's own Symbian had more than 50% smartphone market share only three years ago [wikipedia.org] and big plans [mynokiablog.com] for their Linux based highend OS, which was universally praised, and instead now going for an OS that not only locks the user down, but locks themselves in a position where they give away control of OS development, outsource all manufacturing (after shutting down most locations in Europe and firing loyal employees by the boatload) and need to contend with the likes of Samsung who do their own CPU, RAM, display etc. fabrication is just unfortunate. It's hard to not be cynical about this.
Microsoft obviously is pushing for positive publicity offering free samples to bloggers etc. but all the money in the world won't make the OS more attractive to the end-user, even with their new funky looking N9-like design. Functionality wise the it's lacking compared to Android and the restrictive Metro UI whether on your computer or on your phone is butt-ugly at worst and uninspiring at best.
On the other hand this might actually what MS alternatives have needed to become worth considering by more end users.
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It's nice real world example that the Wrong CEO can utterly destroy a company almost overnight.
Not universally praised (Score:4, Interesting)
big plans for their Linux based highend OS, which was universally praised
Not by developers it wasn't.
It might have been fine compared to how people used to develop apps for Nokia Phones, but the MeeGo stuff was awfully limited looking at it from an Android or iPhone developer standpoint.
The truth is that MeeGo was a good update for pre-iPhone OS's, but could not cut it in the new world which was why Nokia was forced to partner with MS. They just did not have the resources to bring it up to scratch in time.
Start button (Score:2)
How about some enthusiasm from a sub 100k ID then? (Score:4, Interesting)
Not in the 10k region but still - I appreciate the first post was a bit heavy on the enthusiasm - my guess is an enthusiastic MVP rather than anything more sinister..
A dual core CPU and a huge battery are pretty great hardware specs. Also a mechanically stabilized sensor mechanism could be very big news, especially if their software really does make innovative use of the available pixels. The point has been made recently that for PC usage (sharing on FB etc, 2MP is more than enough, for print 5MP is enough - IF THE QUALITY IS THERE.
I assume the stock has plummeted because until a few days ago everyone was hoping for a 20MP sensor and a new tablet to go with the phones. On the other hand - the markets are idiots - buy today, you'll be 10-15% richer by the end of the month if you sell at a time when they don't arbitrarily decide to mood swing again...
I am a bit disappointed that we loose the smaller screen model - the 820 doesn't really replace the 800, it's more of a slightly smaller variation on the 920 - which is a pity. I personally prefer to hold a smaller screen closer to my face... However, for the feature set that WP8 brings (NFC, more home/lock screen flexibility, better camera tech), I might just have to go larger.
Final comment as everyone takes a snipe at this. I have a lumia 800 and I'm looking forward to windows 7.8. I don't care that they're not giving me Windows 8 - the differences between 7.8 and 8 are the differences between the base specification of the current hardware and the next gen hardware (screen resolution, NFC etc). Microsoft are just being honest that their latest phones have features that their older phones don't support. Apple astroturf that fact and that causes heaps of faulty software that fails to cope well enough.
Love Windows Phone, like iPhone (though these days can't justify the cost), frustrated by having to sideload, hack and generally tweak Android whenever I use it.
Speaking as a .NET developer, underwhelmed. (Score:5, Informative)
I was hoping see some decent competition from MSFT to keep Apple on its toes but that is so weak. Why do they insist on that stupid flipping titles? People that I care about? If I want to see what "people that I care about" are doing, I can see notifications in the notifications bar pop up on my iPhone 4S or I can *gasp*, go into my facebook or twitter app instead of cluttering up my homescreen with their faces. Alternatively, I can alway "call" them. I hate the hub concept still and the flipping tiles are likely to give someone an epileptic seizure. It reminds me of some really badly designed website from the late 90's or early 00's.
Get it through your thick skulls MSFT, people like apps and they don't like distractions with flip-flopping tiles on the homescreen. I have to give you credit for trying to be original but give it a rest already. Also, nobody except fanboys like the "hub" concept. Stop trying to oversell your Xbox live and other services on the mobile platform.
BTW. Nice touch on slavishly copying Apple on the screenshot with the power and home button combo.
Re:Speaking as a .NET developer, underwhelmed. (Score:5, Interesting)
Uh, the tile concept would be closer to Android than iOS.
Google did the "home screen" thing to avoid the "rounded rectangles with square grid of icons" patent on Android. So what happens when you unlock an Android phone? You see the home screen, which by default has a huge analog clock (only present on the lock screen on iOS, and it's digital there), and a bunch of frequently used apps (phone/messaging/browser), while the "grid of icons" is hidden by the "show all apps" button.
In its place, you can drop widgets to your heart's content on the home screen so you can see the weather at a glance as well when you unlock your phone, plus all your other social media things.
And judging by Android users, especially on /., they like the widget thing and seeing htat stuff.
Microsoft extended the concept with tiles - thus avoid any design issues with iOS and Android. The tiles are effectively widgets and you can see all your update stuff right there on your "home" screen (whatever it's called on WP8).
Why does "blocking innovation" mean "you must copy the UI"? Between Apple, Google and Microsoft experimenting with different UIs, I'd say it's far better they don't copy (Microsoft probably did LiveTiles to avoid anything Google might have.)
People want widgets - Microsoft extended Andorid's concept a bit further to explore stuff. iOS merely took popular widgets (weather and stocks) and tucked them away in a pull-down drawer (probably again to avoid anything Google might have), the concept of which well, came from Android (which would be hard for Apple to defend against if Google has patented that).
It's called innovation. Incremental at times, but worthy to test it out.
WP7 Nokia 900 owner here. (Score:5, Interesting)
I know that I swim against the /. current here when it comes to Window Phone. I haven't drank of the MS or Apple or Linux koolaid. I use all three desktop OS flavors at work every week and they all have strengths and weaknesses. I never bought the first iPhone because of the soldered in battery. At the time I was using 2 batteries a day in the field. (not to mention the privacy concerns of not being able to REALLY turn off my phone). I had a miserable experience with the first Droid (randomly calling and texting). I went Blackberry for a while. Revisited iPhone, but the screen typing was horrid (large fingers). When it was time to upgrade in 2010 I went with the Samsung Focus and it just worked for me. I do like the Metro interface on the touchscreen, but always by-pass it when using Win8 on the desktop. Seems pretty useless on the desktop, but it would surely be useful on a tablet and possible a laptop with touchscreen.
The Nokia 900 WP7, had some advantages over the Samsung Focus S on the spec sheet. Bigger screen, bigger body (again... large hands), and the camera cmos appeared faster to me in the store. The other advantage is the Xbox Live connection. Love it! Games developed my interest in computers and I am a gamer at heart. My only complaint is that with the Case-Mate case I confuse the phone with my wallet when it's in my pocket sometimes, but I am working on the brain power required to recognize the difference.
I am only mildly concerned about not being able to upgrade to Windows Phone 8 with my Nokia 900. If I feel like I'm missing out on some must-have super app before my 2-year upgrade comes around, I will bite the bullet and pay the phone price.
Of * course* it's not compatible (Score:2)
As a vendor/customer/developer, that's *your* problem, buddy. Start recoding. Too bad about that little cost thing you and your clients now have to deal with. Unless you're a C++ developer, of course, in which case, compatibility is magically not a problem.
Microsoft's motto: We don't provide and automatic compatibility or upgrade path unless our development staff happens to give a shit.
Cheers!
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You don't necessarily have to recode since WP8 is backwards compatible with WP7 apps.
Micro$oft expects you to upgrade (Score:2)
I wonder how HTC Samsung etc. feel (Score:2, Interesting)
Repeated exhortations of how WP8 and the Lumia 920 were developed in conjunction. Wheeling out top Microsoft execs for every Lumia launch. Does any other WP8 really have a chance? Why do they even bother? There are several problems with Android, but Google has always gone to extreme lengths to make sure they didn't appear to favour an OEM, releasing flagship NExus devices with Motorola (when they were independent), Samsung, HTC, and Asus. That may of course change with Googorola. But right now, it seems Mic
And..... (Score:2)
Still nobody will buy it.
Honestly, they just cant compete with iOS and Android. and with the latest release of android, Google just upped their game hard. Now all they need to do is tell handset makers that if they dont use the latest version they cant call it android or use any android branding to help flush off the craptastic 2.3.3 gingerbread phones that are still coming out.
My continuing complaint with Windows phones (Score:4, Informative)
"those Windows Phone 7 smartphones won't upgrade to Windows Phone 8 software, and nor will they run Windows Phone 8 apps"
My G1 can in fact run a very limited relase of Android Jelly Bean. The CyanogenMod guys keep doing this just because they can.
IOS 6 does run on a 3GS, albeit missing some features. Before that, I think the iPhone 3 is pretty much out of it, but that's what, 4 generations back? My G1 is at least 3 generations back...
But your Windows 7 phone, booting Windows 8? Nope. Not even for fun.
And this goes back past Windows Phone to the old CE releases.
Clearly Microsoft still doesn't get it. Or they want to continue to go forward, leaving the old behind.
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Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Informative)
You have to have a Windows machine.
Listen, I like the Nokia phones, and that's what I was going to buy. I brought my Ubuntu laptop into the store to check it out, see if it was compatible, but it isn't. You absolutely must have a Windows install, and a virtual machine won't cut it. (This was the quite-new 610, but looking around online shows that the 700 and 900 have the same issue.)
It uses the Zune file system, and nobody but MS has been able to figure out how to mount it. You can't transfer files with Bluetooth. You can't put music on it. You can't sync to anything. It's a completely stand-alone device unless you're running Windows.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Informative)
Unfortunately, this is simply false. There is a Windows Phone Mac Connector program that allows syncing to the Mac. As a Mac user, I can attest it works great. This of course leaves Linux users in the cold, but it is not a Windows-only solution.
More to the point, there is less and less requirement to sync to a PC at all. Photos auto-sync via Skydrive. Email is all cloud-based. Podcasts are directly synched without requiring a PC to download them. Music comes directly from your Xbox Music Pass. Apps are directly downloaded. Files can be shared via dropbox or Skydrive.
There are obviously still cases where you would like to sync directly with a computer, but they are becoming really infrequent.
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Also, there's plenty of use cases for standard connectors and protocols. Why should I have to send a 1080p vid
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Oh, thank you, I didn't know that it would work with Mac. Not that it matters in my case, but good to know.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Insightful)
So as long as just about everything you need is in the Microsoft ecosystem, then you won't really need to sync. Great!
Speak for yourself. I transfer files to my Android phone over Wifi all the time. And I'm not alone - my mom just got a phone and she wanted to be able to pull pictures from relatives' phones without requiring both phones to have the same obscure transfer app. I told her she could do this natively on Android over Bluetooth, but it may only work with other Android phones since Apple likes to lock down Bluetooth (probably to make the record labels happy). So even non-techies are looking to do things that are not possible with these locked-down platforms.
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Photos auto-sync via Skydrive.
If you actually want to use Windows Live.
Ok, you got me there. If you don't want to use Microsoft's services, you indeed don't get access to Microsoft's services.
Email is all cloud-based.
For tiny little miniscule values of all...
Many of us keep photos on our home servers (my /media/Photos tree has 310GB of files) . Many of us keep emails either on the home server, or accessed from POP/IMAP servers using an email client.
If you want to have a subset of the 310GB of photos on your phone, you dump that subset in your Skydrive or Dropbox or put it up on Facebook or Flickr. Re mail - Windows Phone does support pop and imap as well as EAS. If none of those work for you, I'm afraid I'm going to call you an edge case.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:4, Informative)
Windows Phone 7 isn't Windows only also; a syncing program has been available for OSX for a while.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Informative)
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Not that it helps you but they do support Macs.
http://www.timesweaver.com/mac-friendly-nokia-lumia-900-with-windows-phone-7-is-the-best-alternative-to-ios-and-android/ [timesweaver.com]
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Did they ever fix WP7 to not require registry hacks [zeaun.com] to mount as a drive in Windows? As of 2009 the bleeding edge of mtpfs's support for ZuneFS was getting the directory listing to work. I think after that people quit caring about Zunes.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Informative)
I'm sorry, I only have my own experience to draw from, from real life. I really wanted to get the Lumia, but I had had enough of missing features with my Walkman, and I didn't want to play that game again.
If I was hallucinating at the time, I apologize. My dream-state, which looked surprisingly like a Best Buy, was unable to mount a Nokia Lumia 610 Windows 7.5 phone to an Ubuntu installation. Now, I was only there for about an hour, dreaming, but the phone and my computer together made it impossible to mount.
Perhaps there are instructions for how to do that. If there are, they aren't online anywhere.
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It's interesting that Google can't find another instance of anyone ever writing out that command before.
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Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:4, Informative)
There doesn't need to be when it will run all apps from WP7.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, it will. You misread the summary. WP7 will not run WP8 apps. The other way around will work as Microsoft has repeatedly stated.
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What exactly have you been looking for? Are there Windows 8 versions of all of this? Oh wait, your account is brand new, you're obviously a shill. An actual "Android Power User" wouldn't care one jot about Windows Phone.. it's irrelevant really.
I'm an Android "power user" who thinks that Android is a terrible OS, less stable and mature than Windows 3.11. I think that iOS (with which I have experience as a user, but I've never fiddled with the OS) is at the same level as Android. I suspect that Windows Phone is probably also crap, but since it's the major smartphone OS I haven't yet tried I'm interested in giving it a shot before I declare all mobile operating systems garbage. I think that anyone who has spent real time with Android or iOS and h
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Insightful)
If you're an Android power user, and you want to see reasonable OS updates, then you know to buy a Nexus device, that's the point of them. Google can't force the various carriers and handset makers push out updates, and it's not in their interests to do so since they want you to buy a new handset every year, so you should understand what's going to happen there. OTOH my Nexus S had ICS and Jelly Bean almost from day one, no hacks, and running perfectly, and that's a pretty old phone now.
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Yes, but only the Nexus devices get reasonable update cadence, so much like the iPhone, if you don't like that one form factor, you're boned. I admit that some of my frustration is based on the fact that HTC and Samsung currently have devices with much better specs than the current top of the line Nexus device, and lips have been sealed on what's next from the Nexus line. I'm hoping these announcements make something appear, and hopefully, they aren't like the middling device that's been rumored as the upco
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The New Sony Xperia S is now supported by AOSP.
Expect there to be nexus phones from most of the major players within the next 6 months.
Even a middling android device has nicer hardware than the current iPhone or these new windows phones these days.
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I'm completely uninterested in an iOS device, but this new Lumia 920 is pretty impressive, hardware-wise. The Galaxy Nexus isn't bad, but not necessarily what I want to pick up now to last a year or two. I'm also not a huge fan of Super AMOLED.
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How is it impressive?
Compare to an S3 or a One X.
The Lumia CPU is outdated, and the screen is AMOLED. So if you think Super AMOLED is not for you neither is this.
I love my Galaxy Nexus, but if I had to make the same decision now I would not get it. At the time it was a great device, but the S3 or OneX or the Xperia are better choices these days. The first two if you will do your own updates the latter if not.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:4, Informative)
As for Super AMOLED, the downside is the pentile (RGBG as opppsoed to RGB) pixel arrangement which induces fuzziness in text. Displays with this screen contain 1/3 fewer subpixels compared to RGB, but with the same resolution. Lumia 900 is a clear black AMOLED technology with RGB pixels and looks amazing. I haven't seen a 920 obviously, but if it's anything like the 900 it will be gorgeous.
As for other impressive hardware in the 920, you have NFC, wireless charging, advanced optics (floating lens image stabilization), curved glass display, unibody design, super sensitive touchscreen (can touch with normal gloves on or even fingernails), and at 1280x768 on 4.5 inches has a higher pixel density (332) than the S3 (306), OneX (312), and iPhone 4S (326).
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Right... so where's my Jelly Bean update Verizon? (Galaxy Nexus user since launch day)
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Not without installing it yourself you didn't.
http://www.mobilebloom.com/verizon-galaxy-nexus-4g-jelly-bean-4-1-on-the-way-unofficially-already-out/2221143/ [mobilebloom.com]
Promising delivery by the end of September...
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Windows phone is really good to try out. I haven't tried windows phone 8, but WP7 was really quite interesting to see. I'm not sure it's good or bad but it's certainly different than the iPhone/Android setup.
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but shipped millions!
I can't wait to get my hands on this baby. (Score:5, Insightful)
And I thought you'd be getting a free one, what with working for Nokia ; ).
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:4, Insightful)
There won't be any developers. Developers want to code for platforms people are using--iPhone and Android. People want to use platforms developers are coding for--iPhone and Android. It's a self-feeding loop and Nokia is way, way too late to the party. Any phone that doesn't run iPhone or Android apps is dead, dead, dead.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Interesting)
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Whether you like Metro or not, Windows 8 will be shipping on all Desktops and Laptops in the Fall, and will be a viable platform with an immediate install base. As bad as Vista was, it still managed to find its way on more computers than Mac OSX. Developers *will* code for Windows 8, they *will* code for Windows RT, and if the marginal benefit is in their favor they *will* code for Windows Phone 8.
I rather suspect they'll continue coding for Windows 7 or even XP so to have the widest install base. Enterprise clients in particular hate having to upgrade, so jumping in and making something that only works on Metro is a non-starter.
Re:Interesting, very interesting +1 (Score:5, Insightful)
Fact is, developing for a smart phone is a completely different thing from developing for a desktop or game console; the difference in screen size, input methods, memory size, processing power and battery restrictions make them utterly different. Windows 8 apps may be theoretically runnable on Windows Phone 8 (And I'm not convinced people will be writing them anyways--as has been pointed out elsewhere, people will be writing Windows XP apps for a while yet for maximum audience), but they won't be *usable* on Windows Phone 8. I'm not surprised that Microsoft doesn't understand this; the entire attempt to shoehorn Metro into Windows 8 shows that they don't understand that you can't run a cellphone interface on a desktop, and vice-versa.
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the difference in screen size, input methods, memory size, processing power and battery restrictions make them utterly different.
In terms of processing power, this is all true. But today, we're in a position where the computers in our pocket are just about as powerful as the onces on our desktops not even 7 years ago. There's a large class of applucations, especially for content consumption, that can be written for consumers across all platform types mentioned. Input and screen size are different issues, but that's where you have to re-implement a unique interface for each device. This is much easier than completely recoding everythi
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Never said it was a fad. I have two smartphones myself (one for work, one for personal--both Android, as a matter of fact). What I *do* say is that the market dominance of Android and iPhone will break Windows Phone 8, and compatibility with Windows 8 won't save it.
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1% of a thousand times more would mean ten quality android apps for every wp7 app in existence. I like those numbers!
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Considering it's a shill, yes. Their first post to Slashdot is alengthy and gushing post about Windows Phone with a time stamp identical to the story's post time.
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Oh man, I think SCO won that one.
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Rovio already said they're not going to make Angry Birds for this platform.
Others are following suite.
wp7 has angry birds, I think it was alex or Ab in space that wasn't?
anyhow.. they're probably port it over to wp8 since you can finally use some real languages and there's cpu to use.
that still won't make answering a call and resuming your play after that a pleasant excercise.
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Mango apps resume instantly (they're suspended in RAM, that's all). If Rovio hasn't gotten around to recompiling Angry Birds for Mango I'd be surprised (it's literally a three-click process in Visual Studio) but I suppose that's possible. In any case, most games resume instantly after you switch back from the call interface, even if you're still on the call (games will usually resume in a paused state for obvious reasons, but that's just a convenience fo rhte user).
WP8 will run all WP7 apps, which presumabl
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Rovio already said they're not going to make Angry Birds for this platform.
Others are following suite.
I'd certainly hope so. After all, if Zynga or Intuit started to make Angry Birds for the Windows 8 platform, I'd expect that to get its own /. article!
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I do have to admit that visual studio is great but unfortunately it won't run on wine so I use something else, I wish i could find open source ide that has all of its features like built in gui designer.
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What's that large $500 hole in my checking account in the distance, it looks like... iPhone 5.
FTFY
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$199? seriously?
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S3 gratis on contract
gratis on contract that's like unlimited data up to 500Mb, unlimited 1500 SMS, free call after connection fee, ... If you want to make price comparison, either compare the sim-free version or the total cost of contract. Otherwise, hey my bank offered my mobile phone for free with an extra 6GBP cashback. I just had to show my credit card at the shop and type the 4 digit number my bank sent me.
galaxy S3 32GB is at least $150 here in Canada (Score:2)
The 16GB is at least $100. Depending on the provider it can be more. Where I live, at least.
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Unlike all the other smartphones...
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NOT quad-core
well, S4 is named to increase maximum confusion.
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What would you call an app that is targeted for windws phone 8 and uses windows phone 8 features? I would call it a windows phone 8 app. That app will not work on windows phone 7. It is an accurate and true statement. saying it your way is just needlessly confusing and stupid. I think what you would like people to say is that very few applications will be written for windows phone 8. Therefore, it is not an issue.
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unlike XP where you could see everything you had in one shot.
For the vast majority of people, having three or four columns of Start menu, fold out with a chaotic grouping of small icons next to small folders didn't help them find their programs. They still had to take their mouse and scroll over each and everyone, just to make sure that they didn't miss what they were looking for. Many times it resulted in the mouse wandering too far outside of some invisible boundary, causing flyouts to collapse, and they'd start scanning all over again.
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Samsung slavishly copied Apple and Nokia has clearly proven you can design a next-gen phone that looks nothing like the iPhone
Apple paid $1 billion to Nokia, plus $8 per device for patent infringement because iPhone's technical parts were infringing Nokia patents. And that is for real, hardware patents, not bouncing menus or pinch-to-zoom. Apple is as much guilty as Samsung may be, and I really wish Nokia went all the way and refused licensing instead, to give Apple a taste of its own medecine.
Re:Happy - iHappy (Score:4, Insightful)
Always follow the party line, no matter what. "Die partei, die partie, die hat immer recht [youtube.com]"
Possibly an eye-opener: if Samsung slavishly copied Apple, who did Apple copy? The differences between Apples first attempt at a mobile phone and earlier phones from more experienced manufacturers are not that big, all the way from the basic shape (rounded cornered rectangle, screen dominated front, speaker and microphone at logical positions) through the basic interface (a grid of icons) to more specific features (slide to unlock, context-sensitive actions on text, etc). Literally all of this had been done before. Nobody had made an iPhone before, and nobody - other than Apple - has made one ever since. The same can be said though for, eg, the HTC Prophet [wikipedia.org]. HTC never claimed they owned the basic shape of this device, nor did they claim to own the basic interface (a grid of icons). LG did not claim they owned the concept of a rectangular, rounded cornered screen dominated slab with a capacitive touch screen. Which is logical - they did not invent the capacitive touch screen, nor did they invent the rectangle or the colour black. You did not see any HTC or LG (or any of the other manufacturers') users claiming these things either. Samsung never claimed to own these things, even though they had several products which predated Apple's first phone while encompassing many of its features.
Oddly enough Apple does make these claims, and many Apple users parrot them.
Please take some effort to answer this question: who did Apple copy? If your answer is 'nobody, they invented all of this themselves' then I'm afraid you'll have to do some more studying.
Apple made a popular phone, which sold by the millions even though the price was inflated. It still sells by the millions, and these sales have made Apple a stupendous amount of profit (both because of the obscene profit margin on these phones as well as the sheer number of phones they sold). In other words, they made a successful product. Where they went wrong was when they started claiming to be the sole proprietors of the basic concepts behind this phone.
Please use some common sense before you parrot their statements. Have a look at the television wall in some electronics store to see what I mean. Look at the washing machines, or the calculators, or just about any other product. Look around you and see - nobody is an island. No company creates something out of nothing. This includes Apple. They, like everyone else, look around them and base their products on what they've seen. The difference between Apple and most other companies is that they then turn around and claim never to have looked, that they came up with it all by themselves. This is wrong, and you know it is wrong.
Don't just blindly follow the party line.
Think Different [wikipedia.org].
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Right.... never used android or IOS have you.
I have a 4 year old iphone tat runs the latest OS.
I also have a 2 year old android phone that runs the latest android.
Tell us how the nokia is EXACTLY like the other phones again in how it cant be upgraded.