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First Impressions of Windows 8 Powered Nokia Lumia 920 and 820 396

Nerval's Lobster writes "Nokia CEO Stephen Elop first took to the stage at Center548 on New York City's West Side, where Microsoft had first unveiled Windows Phone 7 in late 2010, to claim that Nokia was becoming a 'more nimble competitor' thanks to several strategic decisions under his tenure, including the choice of Windows Phone as the company's primary smartphone platform. ... In terms of [the 920's hardware]: the battery is 2000 mAh; the processor is a dual-core Snapdragon S4, which was apparently selected for its energy efficiency; and the aforementioned wireless charging, based on the 'Qi' wireless charging standard. ... Despite the enthusiasm displayed onstage for Windows Phone 8, the new smartphone platform poses something of a conundrum for Nokia. The company invested heavily in Windows Phone 7, all but abandoning its homegrown operating systems — including Symbian, once a dominant player in the mobile arena — in favor of Microsoft’s platform. But those Windows Phone 7 smartphones won't upgrade to Windows Phone 8 software, and nor will they run Windows Phone 8 apps."
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First Impressions of Windows 8 Powered Nokia Lumia 920 and 820

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  • by MRe_nl ( 306212 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @11:38AM (#41235267)

    And I thought you'd be getting a free one, what with working for Nokia ; ).

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @11:39AM (#41235303)

    The best thing about this is how effective the platform can be for developers.

    There won't be any developers. Developers want to code for platforms people are using--iPhone and Android. People want to use platforms developers are coding for--iPhone and Android. It's a self-feeding loop and Nokia is way, way too late to the party. Any phone that doesn't run iPhone or Android apps is dead, dead, dead.

  • by Missing.Matter ( 1845576 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @11:41AM (#41235333)
    Apple's does the same thing after most announcements. Investors are a fickle bunch.
  • by Missing.Matter ( 1845576 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @11:54AM (#41235535)
    No, but obviously expectations did not line up with what they delievered... so what exactly were they expecting is the question? The new Lumias are solid spec wise and offer some real advantages over competing phones (Windows Phone or otherwise), Windows Phone 8 addresses most concerns about the platform, app availability is increasing at an excellent rate, accessory support is expanding, Lumia devices are selling... so I'm not sure what Nokia could have done differently today that would really change what simply appears to be a fickle investor reaction.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @12:01PM (#41235623)
    I was expecting to see a long first post shilling for Microsoft and Nokia, but it seems that the whole thread is overrun with them. "amazing, wonderful, inclined to purchase..." Please stay away from this thread, it is reserved for professional advertisers only.
  • by Tx ( 96709 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @12:04PM (#41235663) Journal

    If you're an Android power user, and you want to see reasonable OS updates, then you know to buy a Nexus device, that's the point of them. Google can't force the various carriers and handset makers push out updates, and it's not in their interests to do so since they want you to buy a new handset every year, so you should understand what's going to happen there. OTOH my Nexus S had ICS and Jelly Bean almost from day one, no hacks, and running perfectly, and that's a pretty old phone now.

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @12:10PM (#41235741)

    Fact is, developing for Windows 8 is also developing for (for the most part) Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT, and probably in the future Xbox 720 (or whatever they call it).

    Fact is, developing for a smart phone is a completely different thing from developing for a desktop or game console; the difference in screen size, input methods, memory size, processing power and battery restrictions make them utterly different. Windows 8 apps may be theoretically runnable on Windows Phone 8 (And I'm not convinced people will be writing them anyways--as has been pointed out elsewhere, people will be writing Windows XP apps for a while yet for maximum audience), but they won't be *usable* on Windows Phone 8. I'm not surprised that Microsoft doesn't understand this; the entire attempt to shoehorn Metro into Windows 8 shows that they don't understand that you can't run a cellphone interface on a desktop, and vice-versa.

  • Re:Happy - iHappy (Score:4, Insightful)

    by knarf ( 34928 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @01:43PM (#41237035) Homepage

    Samsung slavishly copied Apple

    Always follow the party line, no matter what. "Die partei, die partie, die hat immer recht []"

    Possibly an eye-opener: if Samsung slavishly copied Apple, who did Apple copy? The differences between Apples first attempt at a mobile phone and earlier phones from more experienced manufacturers are not that big, all the way from the basic shape (rounded cornered rectangle, screen dominated front, speaker and microphone at logical positions) through the basic interface (a grid of icons) to more specific features (slide to unlock, context-sensitive actions on text, etc). Literally all of this had been done before. Nobody had made an iPhone before, and nobody - other than Apple - has made one ever since. The same can be said though for, eg, the HTC Prophet []. HTC never claimed they owned the basic shape of this device, nor did they claim to own the basic interface (a grid of icons). LG did not claim they owned the concept of a rectangular, rounded cornered screen dominated slab with a capacitive touch screen. Which is logical - they did not invent the capacitive touch screen, nor did they invent the rectangle or the colour black. You did not see any HTC or LG (or any of the other manufacturers') users claiming these things either. Samsung never claimed to own these things, even though they had several products which predated Apple's first phone while encompassing many of its features.

    Oddly enough Apple does make these claims, and many Apple users parrot them.

    Please take some effort to answer this question: who did Apple copy? If your answer is 'nobody, they invented all of this themselves' then I'm afraid you'll have to do some more studying.

    Apple made a popular phone, which sold by the millions even though the price was inflated. It still sells by the millions, and these sales have made Apple a stupendous amount of profit (both because of the obscene profit margin on these phones as well as the sheer number of phones they sold). In other words, they made a successful product. Where they went wrong was when they started claiming to be the sole proprietors of the basic concepts behind this phone.

    Please use some common sense before you parrot their statements. Have a look at the television wall in some electronics store to see what I mean. Look at the washing machines, or the calculators, or just about any other product. Look around you and see - nobody is an island. No company creates something out of nothing. This includes Apple. They, like everyone else, look around them and base their products on what they've seen. The difference between Apple and most other companies is that they then turn around and claim never to have looked, that they came up with it all by themselves. This is wrong, and you know it is wrong.

    Don't just blindly follow the party line.

    Think Different [].

  • by organgtool ( 966989 ) on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @01:51PM (#41237129)

    More to the point, there is less and less requirement to sync to a PC at all. Photos auto-sync via Skydrive. Email is all cloud-based. Podcasts are directly synched without requiring a PC to download them. Music comes directly from your Xbox Music Pass. Apps are directly downloaded. Files can be shared via dropbox or Skydrive.

    So as long as just about everything you need is in the Microsoft ecosystem, then you won't really need to sync. Great!

    There are obviously still cases where you would like to sync directly with a computer, but they are becoming really infrequent.

    Speak for yourself. I transfer files to my Android phone over Wifi all the time. And I'm not alone - my mom just got a phone and she wanted to be able to pull pictures from relatives' phones without requiring both phones to have the same obscure transfer app. I told her she could do this natively on Android over Bluetooth, but it may only work with other Android phones since Apple likes to lock down Bluetooth (probably to make the record labels happy). So even non-techies are looking to do things that are not possible with these locked-down platforms.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 05, 2012 @04:14PM (#41238877)

    There are no rebuttals and it sits at +5 because it's ALL TRUE. I know you shill fucks aren't really acquainted with actual facts as they exist in the real world but I assure the bullshit you get passed to you from the Waggoner Edstrom PR training manual is 100 percent pure spin bunk. I worked at Nortel when it happened. Did you?

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