First Community Release of Diaspora 111
New submitter Jalfro writes "Following premature rumors of its demise, the Diaspora core team announce the release of 0.0.1.0. 'It's been a couple of exciting months for us as we've shifted over to a model of community governance. After switching over to SemVer for our versioning system, and plugging away at fixing code through our new unstable branch, we're excited to make our first release beyond the Alpha/Beta labels.'"
Yawn... (Score:1, Insightful)
Yeah this will go nowhere.
I'll give them points for trying though.
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"This week we're releasing almost completely unusable alpha code, but on the bright side, the tshirts with our new logo should be shipping within a month!"
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"This week we're releasing almost completely unusable alpha code, but on the bright side, the tshirts with our new logo should be shipping within a month!"
That sounds pretty much like what could be said in September of 2010 [techcrunch.com].
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Are you unaware that Diaspora is not only usable, but has a number of federated pod servers such as diasp.org?
I'm sick of people assuming that Diaspora is the same as the first alpha release. That's like judging Linux 3.6 by looking the very first Linux tarball. It's had an entire community contributing to it since the code was made public on Github two years ago.
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Agreed, but the significant difference is that people actually use linux.
Both, however, face a similar sort of uphill battle with features on their side, but complexity against them.
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Meh. It looks like Google+ to me if I didn't care or know about the backend.
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I know nothing about Diaspora, but I'm sure it's a hell of a lot more than you have ever done.
How can you be so sure? S/He's an AC, just like you.
Re:Yawn... (Score:5, Funny)
I know nothing about Diaspora, but I'm sure it's a hell of a lot more than you have ever done.
How can you be so sure? S/He's an AC, just like you.
He is sure because he is replying to himself.
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Because if s/he had actually ever done something worth anything, s/he wouldn't be sitting around sneering at the perceived uselessness of other people's projects. It's just a way of making him/herself feel better.
Re:Yawn... (Score:5, Insightful)
Not really. As someone who kicked a few bucks into the Diaspora Kickstarter project, I have to say that for all the hype and excitement and promises of the project (which sought $10,000 and received more than $200,000), they have basically accomplished fuck-all in the last two years.
To be fair, part of that is due to the difficulty of proposing a social network that by nature is only going to interest serious geeks (you have to either host a server running a seed or find someone who is to run your stuff through). Another part is due to the abysmal insecurities in their first released code (though, granted, it was extremely early code and probably deserved a little more slack than it got). And then there's the part where one of the Ilya (the founder of the Diaspora project) died almost one year ago.
It's never really going to accomplish something, but it caught a lot of attention early on and may be one of those fruitless endeavors that must be forged for its own sake, even if it's not ever actually going to supplant Facebook.
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No, No, No. If you really care about privacy, you have to have security as your number one goal. Everything else is just frosting on top. They screwed up securty so badly in the first release, it was clear they had no idea what the hell they were doing.
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you have to either host a server running a seed or find someone who is to run your stuff through
You obviously lost track... signing up couldn't be simpler: http://podupti.me/ [podupti.me]
Version numbers are like body language (Score:5, Insightful)
I know version numbers are all relative and aren't supposed to have much meaning on their own, but their first official non alpha/beta release being marked as version 0.0.1.0 kinda tells me a lot about what confidence the developers have in terms of the security and functionality of their code.
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That's totally ridiculous.
That would imply America On-Line had an elite crack development team
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Couldn't they at least have gone for 0.1?
0.0.1.0 is the sort of number I'd expect for them to have the day after starting.
Re:Version numbers are like body language (Score:5, Informative)
Having googled semver, I think the version number may have something to do with this.
http://semver.org/ [semver.org]
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Thanks for that. Seems to explain a lot and rid me of my ignorance.
Thought somehow I got modded to (Score:5, Insightful) in the space of around 10 minutes so I can't complain either way. :)
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You were right, version numbers really are like body language: whatever you "read" from them is your imagination, projection, or wishful thinking.
Really? Body language actually says nothing about what the person is feeling or thinking? That should be news to behavioral scientists around the world, you should spread your knowledge.
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Either that, or version 0.0.1.0 could mean version 2 in binary, and in that case, that could help us foretell how usable the application will be for the average Joe-the-plumber on Facebook.
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But wait... Joe-the-plumber wouldn't even be aware of Diaspora, much less have any need to use anything other than Facebook. Think we're getting our audiences mixed up there - this would be strictly for nerds.
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Great! (Score:4, Insightful)
I think.. wtf is Diaspora? I know i could go look it up but i shouldn't have to.
Re:Great! (Score:5, Informative)
not that the summary or the blog care to tell you, but after googling its a open source facebook wanna be.
I really hate it when people want to tell everyone about their new whatever, and dont even bother to tell you WTF it even does
Re:Great! (Score:5, Informative)
A little more than that; it's also supposed to be a decentralized facebook wannabe. The idea is that people can run their own node (I forget what the diaspora term is), and the system as a whole is composed of those interconnected nodes. Because you control your own node, it's impossible for any of your personal information to escape without your explicit permission.
Personally, I think the initiative and work involved in setting up a node (even if they get it to the relatively trivial, it's always going to be harder than just signing up) is going to necessarily impact adoption, and it'll never get off the ground. Unless, of course, you have someone configuring and hosting your node for you, in which case all advantage is lost (you're still placing control of your information in the hands of a third party).
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The advantage is that you can choose to do either-... set up your own node for security, or use someone else's to connect to your Diaspora-using friends.
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As I understand it, there only needs to be 1 technical person to set it up for each community. So once it is set up, the rest of the community can use it without any technical knowledge at all.
I really like that aspect of it, and the fact that you have your data in-house (or at least in your control).
Even non-techies care about the privacy aspects of social networks - when the risks are explained to them.
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Personally, I think the initiative and work involved in setting up a node (even if they get it to the relatively trivial, it's always going to be harder than just signing up) is going to necessarily impact adoption, and it'll never get off the ground
There's a whole bunch of reasons why Diaspora is a non-starter.
First, they're moving to a community release NOW. They should have made the community release at the same time that they brought up their site. Second, the requirements [stackexchange.com] are offensive. Social networking is relatively simple, it's the amount of data to deal with that makes it complex, not the actual tasks. We've had fora and the like for ages. Everything the typical social networking site does could be handled by a typical PHP CMS (e.g. Drupal or
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Those requirements look pretty modest to me. They can all be installed on any half-decent linux distro with a single apt-get install command, or similar. Yeah, your average PHP shared-host won't be able to run it. That's because your average PHP shared-host blows, not because the requirements are particularly exotic. They're all freely available, well-known projects, with well-supported packages.
And trying to build anything more than what it was designed for (ie: a simple, content-based website) on top of D
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Drupal is incrementally approaching professional frameworks like Rails and Django with each revision, but its doing so slowly, and it is still very much a CMS trying to be a framework.
I don't disagree with that, but nearly all the functionality is already there (or I wouldn't suggest it.)
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Clusterfuck.
You can buy them with bitcoins.
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" Unless, of course, you have someone configuring
(and hosting) your node for you"
Like Ubuntu, RH, Slack,.... ?
Seems to me that if a webapp like this was bundled into any distro along with a configuration script that it would be trivial to setup a home node
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For all those people running Linux at home, yes. I hardly think that's critical mass for a popular adoption though.
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Re:Can anyone explain to me (Score:5, Insightful)
Everybody; because it's federated.
Think about email. When you want to send mail to somebody, you just pull up your email account and do it. No fuss. You don't need to sign up for a Gmail account, a Hotmail account, an Outlook account, a Yahoo account, a gmx.net account and so on for every provider just to be able to send email to that provider's users. One account with one of them is enough to email a user of any of them.
Social networking isn't like that at the moment. You have to sign up for separate Facebook, Google+, Twitter, Nexopia, Badoo, Bebo and so on accounts just to interact with the users of those networks. This is bad.
To see why, just look at Gmail. Back when that was introduced, Hotmail was the go-to provider for free webmail. I don't know if you remember, but at the time Hotmail kinda sucked. It had an ugly, slow interface and an allowance of 2-4 MB. That was standard. Then Gmail comes along with a clean, responsive interface and a 1 GB allowance, and of course it's massively popular. Suddenly every other provider was cleaning up their UI and offering much larger allowances. Outlook.com, for instance, now has the clean, responsive interface and it doesn't even have a cap on the amount of mail you can store.
If email wasn't federated, none of that would have happened. Nobody would have used or cared about Gmail back when it had no users because, well, it had no users. You'd still be using Hotmail with its 2 MB inbox. You couldn't even set up your own server to avoid all that, because your own server would be useless for mailing Hotmail users.
Diaspora aims to bring federation to social networks, and that's why you should care about it.
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This is a good explanation, even though I did know what Diaspora was. I usually prefer the privacy angle, but your definition really applies to a broad number of potential users.
Re:Can anyone explain to me (Score:5, Informative)
You completely missed his point. You can only do that because email is a *federated* system. If it wasn't, your email server wouldn't talk to hotmail's email server. There would be islands of completely separate email networks, much like there is with social networks at the moment.
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shennanigans...marketing word alert (Score:2)
Everybody; because it's federated.
Just like Windows Zune is 'interoperable'...
'Federated' is not a technical term with a concrete definition. Like the term 'the cloud.' It is useful in some contexts but if it is not specified further it will always just confound a discussion.
Yes, Diaspora may be 'federated'...but that doesn't mean it is an 'online social networking alternative to facebook'...Diaspora requires an additional step...the local node...for every node in the network.
That step is enough. It will *never* compete against facebook.com
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Think about email. When you want to send mail to somebody, you just pull up your email account and do it. No fuss. You don't need to sign up for a Gmail account, a Hotmail account, an Outlook account, a Yahoo account, a gmx.net account and so on for every provider just to be able to send email to that provider's users. One account with one of them is enough to email a user of any of them.
I do like your analogy. I think it spells out fairly well the problem that Diaspora is trying to solve. To extend that a bit, email also exemplifies what can go wrong with such a system. For certain definitions of the word, email is a "federated" system as well. The problem is that the "federation" was not baked in from the beginning but was added on as icing later. I don't consider that the fault of the designers. These things just weren't particularly relevant when email was conceived. As a result
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will they? (Score:2)
I'm wondering if you think Diaspora ever will do any/all of the things you listed (AGPL, no peer review, etc)?
I want to one day set up a competing system to facebook.com and I contacted (briefly) some Diaspora people from a contact in grad school...they had their funding, signed their agreements, and were basically contract employees for the investors at that point. One could have easily predicted their doom.
However, the concept of a open/user controlled facebook option is obvious to any granny who every lo
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Really? You're a Slashdotter and haven't glanced at or read at least one other Diaspora story here?
That's like me asking for clarification on what BitCoins are. Some things you should just KNOW by now. :)
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I think.. wtf is Diaspora?
TFS is wrong and should have used the product name correctly. You wouldn't be baffled if the submitter (or editor) just wrote "diaspora*" :)
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I have to totally disagree, its 100% the editors fault. This is a sign of being rank amateur, and they should have their credentials ( if any ) yanked..
How hard can it be... (Score:4, Funny)
...when announcing that Version X of something is released, to actually spare 3-4 words in the summary to give us readers a clue what the flying fuck the "something" you're talking about is, so we can decide whether we want to read further?
Even TFA manages to avoid saying what 'Diaspora [diasporaproject.org]' actually is or offering a link back to a descriptive page.
(To save others the trouble of Googling it's either an open-source social network, a freeware Battlestar Galactica game, a migraine-inducing SF Novel by Greg Egan or something to do with Jewish history... By a process of deduction, I'm going with the former...)
Come on guys, the point of a news site is to tell people things they don't know,.
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Actually, it's all of the above. It's an open-source social network of migraine-inducing jews who all play the Battlestar Galactica game. Currently, there's only one member, Greg Egan.
Grammar? (Score:2)
Come on. "It's" means "it is". The article should say "its" instead, since that is the possessive.
I realize I may be a bit of a stickler here, but Slashdot is a major news site (the only one I personally check with any regularity), and professionalism means not mangling the language. Especially not in ways that make already common mistakes look acceptable. Copy-editing is important.
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Redundancy Department. (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of the visible posts are complaints about the summary not including a description.
That would indicate that the posters are too lazy to check to see if someone else had already posted it.
Pots meet kettle.
You're not perfect.
And Diaspora has been covered on here many times, so at least the submitter and the editor have an excuse.
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PS. Articles come with tags. Some are jokes but others are quite useful in seeing the history of coverage, or explain the topic in depth. Click and enjoy.
What's it look like? (Score:5, Interesting)
I know what a facebook page looks like. I know what a G+ page looks like. I know what a myspace page looks like.
What does a diaspora page look like?
Do I have to create an account to see one?
I really am asking for something that simple. I'd like to see the public portion of a diaspora page. That's it.
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What does a diaspora page look like?
It looks like whatever the owner of the pod you are on wants it to look like. Pages on the diasp.org [diasp.org] pod look very similar to Facebook. Other pods might appear differently. I would expect that eventually the pod code will support themes so that the pod owner can have his site appear however he wants. The point is that you aren't stuck with a single social media overlord. Don't like the terms of service or the terms have changed for the pod you are on? Move your profile to a different pod. Worst case
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Really? Not one, simple, concrete example? That's all I'm looking for. Just one.
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Thank you! I see you are also https://joindiaspora.com/u/charles_fox [joindiaspora.com]
and that googling for
Charles Fox (your address)@joindiaspora.com
fails to find you on the first page of the results.
All of that is interesting to me.
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https://joindiaspora.com/robots.txt [joindiaspora.com] /people/ /u/
---
# See http://www.robotstxt.org/wc/norobots.html [robotstxt.org] for documentation on how to use the robots.txt file
#
# To ban all spiders from the entire site uncomment the next two lines:
User-Agent: *
Disallow:
Disallow:
---
Which seems insane for a social networking site to do.
It's been so long... (Score:2)
It's been so long now that I honestly forgot what it is supposed to be. I mean I now know what it is thanks to the comments here and some research on my own, but all I can remember from the first time they announced it's creation was I was so disappointed that all I could see is a webpage with vague promises and platitudes and an email update feature that was not working. So from then till now, I honestly forgot what it was supposed to be.
For that matter I even forgot the name.
Installation is a royal pain in the ass (Score:3)
Chrissake, this installation is a royal pain in the ass. The number of convoluted steps is just plain crazy.
First, I have to walk through a long, loooong installation instruction for Debian here [github.com]. Then I turn to the Notes on installing and running [github.com], only to end halfway with a crazy error message.
diaspora@sirius:~/diaspora$ bundle install --without development test heroku
Fetching gem metadata from http://rubygems.org/ [rubygems.org]......
Fetching gem metadata from http://rubygems.org/ [rubygems.org]..
Fetching https://github.com/plataformatec/markerb.git [github.com]
error: while accessing https://github.com/plataformatec/markerb.git/info/refs [github.com]
fatal: HTTP request failed /home/diaspora/diaspora has failed.
Git error: command `git clone 'https://github.com/plataformatec/markerb.git' "/home/diaspora/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.3-p194@diaspora/cache/bundler/git/markerb-6697fe76410a3ed08ce3f5fd8ee64ebddd200665" --bare --no-hardlinks` in directory
Compiling Ruby from scratch, installing cruft in /usr/local, installing something weird called RVM.... What the fuck happened to ./configure && make && make install?
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The first problem was that for some reason, I had to re-run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates".
Then I got an error "markerb ArgumentError: invalid byte sequence in US-ASCII" after the command "bundle install --without development test heroku" tells me:
Using markerb (1.0.0) from https://github.com/plataformatec/markerb.git [github.com] (at master)
ArgumentError: invalid byte sequence in US-ASCII
An error occurred while installing markerb (1.0.0), and Bundler cannot continue.
Make sure that `gem install markerb -v '1.0.
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Thanks, yes, that's true. I did go the extra mile and got an SSL certificate after all.
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again?
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You mean the people who have benefited from the Republican agenda the most? Funny how they're now enemies of the Neo-Republican agenda.