KDE Publishes Manifesto 58
Several readers sent word that KDE has published a manifesto. According to its official announcement, the KDE community's growth over the past 15 years has "created a need for clarity about what pulls us together as a community." It continues, "The KDE Manifesto is not intended to change the organization or the way it works. Its aim is only to describe how the KDE Community sees itself. What binds us together are certain values and their practical implications, without regard for who a person is or what background and skills they bring." The manifesto opens boldly, saying, "We are a community of technologists, designers, writers and advocates who work to ensure freedom for all people through our software." It comes along with more detailed descriptions of the benefits and principles of a KDE project.
Well, that's a good sign! (Score:5, Funny)
Nothing forms the foundation of a bright future quite like issuing a manifesto.
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I was just thinking to myself:
How much code could have been written for the same amount of effort as this piece of content-less puffery?
Re:Well, that's a good sign! (Score:5, Insightful)
seriously? Having a document saying what the project stands for is a bad thing?
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Yep. If you have to state it, it means that the people within the group don't know it, that it's reached a state where management of it is required, and where people outside the group would be expected not to know the motivation for the project. Otherwise you wouldn't need to state it.
It's nothing more than a company mission statement. Who cares about a company mission statement from, say, Google, or Microsoft, or your local bakery, or any company of any scale whatsoever apart from the people who write i
Re:Well, that's a good sign! (Score:4, Informative)
This is entirely untrue. A manifesto isn't for existing members it is for new and potential members. So they know up front what they are getting into, very similar to a mission statement.
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Probably true, and it looks great on the surface.
But lots of companies don't work anything like their mission statements would suggest. While I'm not a fan of KDE myself, it would be a shame if they are going in that direction.
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It's nothing more than a company mission statement. Who cares about a company mission statement from, say, Google, or Microsoft, or your local bakery, or any company of any scale whatsoever apart from the people who write it? No-one.
While this is most likely true, I would say that the company's mission statement certainly still does have an impact on the customer through it's implementation.
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Re:Well, that's a good sign! (Score:5, Funny)
It's like those people that waste their time on documentation. How much code could they write instead of describing the APIs or providing tutorials? And don't get me started on those profligate programmers that use multi-character variable names...
Phillip.
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That would depend on who wrote it, obviously. How much effort did you put into that idiotic question?
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How much code could have been written for the same amount of effort as this piece of content-less puffery?
Surely enough to write a license. That's what this manifesto needs, it's own license. They should license the manifesto too.
Re:Well, that's a good sign! (Score:5, Insightful)
Considering how much flack Gnome has gotten for not having any discernible goals or performance metrics, a manifesto seems like a reasonable place to start if you want to avoid Headless Chicken Syndrome.
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Considering how much flack Gnome has gotten for not having any discernible goals
Really? I thought the goal of Gnome was to remove features and break shit.
or performance metrics,
Or, you know, the number of features removed or broken during the previous development cycle. A good surrogate metric is tha amount of swearing which goes on in the forum in threads relating to missing features.
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Really? I thought the goal of Gnome was to remove features and break shit.
No, no, you're misunderstanding completely - the goal of Gnome is to add shit and break features!
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"There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight"
Re:Well, that's a good sign! (Score:4, Insightful)
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I would like to counter that point with a reference to the Debian Manifesto. It was published in 1994, and Debian, in addition to becoming one of the most popular distributions by itself, came to form the basis behind products like Ubuntu, Mint, Nokia Maemo, Knoppix and Mepis. So for them it seems to have worked.
Except the Debian Manifesto is pretty to the point about WHAT they want to build, WHY and HOW. The KDE manifesto is more a fluffy value statement that pretty much wraps being a community-driven open source project in pretty words. It reminds me of certain corporate value statements, like saying we have 7 values and they are honesty, boldness, trust, freedom, team spirit, modesty and fun. Great, but do you have any fogging idea where they're going with that? Or even what line of business they're in? Well oka
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Nothing forms the foundation of a bright future quite like issuing a manifesto.
It must also be rambling, or else it's not a true manifesto because all true manifestos are always rambling and go on rambling for many pages because that is what true manifestos do, they ramble until the manifesto is true because rambling is what they do.
What the Manifesto Means to You, as a User (Score:5, Funny)
Open Governance to ensure engagement in our leadership and decision processes;
We have ensured that this is the most open governance possible. Why, as we speak, KDE death squads are being dispatched to move door to door to force you into a leadership and/or decision process for KDE. Should you fail or should said squads find Gnome in your household ... well, let's just concentrate on the positives of the Manifesto. We here at KDE put the "FEST" in "Manifesto!"
Free Software to ensure the result of our work is available to all people;
We have recently employed Liam Neeson and a team of investigators working around the clock to tie names and individuals to credit cards and paypal accounts after turning over all our donation transactions to them. If you do not accept our software as free, you will be paid a visit by Liam Neeson who has, shall we say, developed a particularly forceful skill set in working at our returns department! Don't thank us, thank you for using KDE -- please we cannot emphasize this enough: it will be free or there will be blood.
Inclusivity to ensure that people of all origins are welcome to join us and participate;
In an effort to include everyone, we have actually started up cloning chambers with the DNA of Neanderthals. No origins, past or present, will be left un-KDE'd in our quest to excel in inclusivity past those dirty gnome users.
Innovation to ensure that new ideas constantly emerge to better serve people;
Ah yes, our innovation measures have become quite extreme. So extreme that you can feel them in the pit of your stomach. Not literally, of course -- the literal pit of innovation is behind our headquarters where we've trapped the world's leading scientists and patent lawyers while we spray them with a hose if they don't meet our patent quotas to out-innovate the gnome team!
Common Ownership to ensure that we stay united;
This one is simple! Any forks will be auspiciously repressed! Not repressed like emotional feelings but instead like tanks in Tienanmen Square. Of course, this is open source, you're free to fork whenever you want and we're free to ensure that everyone stays united. It's open source + united people = united open source people!
End-User Focus to ensure our work is useful to all people.
Is your Klan rally missing that flame? Is your Neo-Nazi newsletter not so neo? Is your jihad turning out to be a junker? Well, submit a feature request to KDE to ensure you can meet all of your needs with our software. We don't discriminate -- that is unless you want us to! *wink* *wink*
In all seriousness though, I know it doesn't mean this but am I the only person that imagines someone with crazy eyes smiling uncontrollably at you when you hear the word 'manifesto'?
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My work here is dung.
Indeed.
Qt universe (Score:2)
Doesn't suprise me a bit... (Score:3)
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Aww, shucks (Score:1)
"Just a Phase" (Score:1)
KDE wouldn't be the first 15 year old that published a manifesto...
I for one welcome our new KDE overlords. (Score:2, Interesting)
... or at least I did for a while.
I switched to KDE after Gnome decided to suck. I liked most of what's in KDE (or at least I've become used to it) but it's not as stable as Gnome was.
So recently I switched to Mint. It's an adjustment again, but the crashes are gone.
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Mint What?
KDE is a desktop env, Mint is a distro. The two are not comparable.
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I meant to say Mate desktop. Mate is the default desktop for the Mint distro, so I brainfarted.
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I meant to say Mate desktop. Mate is the default desktop for the Mint distro
Ah! that makes more sense. Quite fond of Mate myself, but I'm addicted to Kontact, despite all its issues. It does keep improving.
so I brainfarted.
Meh, farts happen.
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Were you running KDE in Ubuntu perhaps? Their packages suck.
KDE in openSUSE, Fedora, Arch, etc. is much more stable.
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Manifesto? (Score:3)
"Don't be GNOME" (Score:2)
In all seriousness, if I needed a serious WM on Linux, KDE was my first choice. GNOME is just confused, in my opinion. It's like it went more OSX than OSX (and I'm even an OSX user).
Qt DEs in different sizes (Score:2)
Inaccurate story title (Score:2)
Bland, but innocuous (Score:1)
Mission statements are rather praiseworthy but uninteresting; despite my love of KDE I used the time profitably by imagining Microsoft enunciating those six principles.
Henry V (Score:2)
But we in it shall be remember'd;
We few, we happy few, we band of Desktops"