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LG Not Working On Windows Phone 8 Devices 123

Posted by Soulskill from the admiring-from-afar dept.
helix2301 sends this quote from CNET: "LG's reluctance to embrace Windows Phone 8 underscores the difficulties that the platform faces with both consumers and vendor partners. LG was one of the early partners that signed on with Microsoft, releasing the LG Quantum in the first wave of Windows Phone devices. Microsoft's has a great relationship with Nokia, which is considered in the industry first among equals when it comes to Microsoft partners, has some vendors reassessing their own support for the operating system. Over the past year or so, LG has been focusing on Android and has started building phones running on Mozilla's Firefox mobile OS."
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  • In other news... (Score:1, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Sony not making roller skates. Taco bell not producing it's own TV. Nintendo refusing to make laser pointers.

  • nobody wants Microsofts solution (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    when given the choice between "you will take this OS as it is, we are not listening to end users or "something else", the manufacturers and users are choosing "something else", after all LG wants to sell phones not participate in some US software companies lock in power games bollocks

    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      by cusco ( 717999 )
      Considering the quality of some of their products that we've installed in the last year this is probably a good thing for Microsoft. More often than not when I hear (L)users complaining about how such-and-such problem is all Microsoft's fault a little bit of digging exposes that the real problem is crappy hardware or crappy software, not the OS.

      • More often than not when I hear (L)users complaining about how such-and-such problem is all Microsoft's fault a little bit of digging exposes that the real problem is crappy hardware or crappy software, not the OS.

        That'd be fine, assuming that you define "operating system" as the kernel. If users of a particular operating system have difficulty adapting to its user interface paradigm, are the user-space components that implement the user interface "software" that can be "crappy"? I've read a few arguments that a display without touch input is "crappy hardware" for running Windows 8, but then that'd mean almost every desktop PC monitor is "crappy hardware" because it doesn't encourage an interaction modality known for

        • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

          by recoiledsnake ( 879048 )

          I've read a few arguments that a display without touch input is "crappy hardware" for running Windows 8, but then that'd mean almost every desktop PC monitor is "crappy hardware" because it doesn't encourage an interaction modality known for inducing gorilla arm.

          I didn't know that having a touchscreen makes the keyboard and mouse melt away and force you to use only the touchscreen thereby turning you into a gorilla.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by tepples ( 727027 )
            I think the complaint was that some of the controls in Windows 8 without a touch screen, such as the invisible corners to activate the Frosted Lucky Charms bar and shut down the machine, are too hard to learn.

            • I seriously doubt that anyone would be opening the charms bar and shutting down the PC using a touch screen so much that it is going to give you gorilla arm.

          • Comment removed based on user account deletion

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Bert64 ( 520050 )

        That's the problem with being ubiquitous, microsoft have worked hard to make users consider windows to be the whole package including hardware, so users won't see the hardware as a blank canvas on which they could run all manner of different software.
        But it cuts both ways, if the hardware is garbage people blame windows.

      • I completely agree. I've always seen LG as damaging to the Windows Phone ecosystem. I think the current line up - Nokia, Samsung, HTC, Huawei is perfect. In fact if I was Microsoft I would not allow anyone else to make WP devices.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by recoiledsnake ( 879048 )

      So that they can screw up the UI with their shitty skins, install unremovable always running crapware and then not update it for a couple of years like they do with their Android phones? And then be beholden to stupid carrier crapware? Thank heavens Microsoft doesn't allow that crap to happen.

      For example look at what HTC and the carriers install on Android and which cannot be uninstalled and then cause serious security issues which are never fixed.

      http://www.zdnet.com/blog/virtualization/bloatware-a-creepin [zdnet.com]

      • Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (Score:4, Informative)

        by realityimpaired ( 1668397 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:20PM (#43029667)

        Sprint Football Live
        Sprint Navigation
        Sprint TV

        I'd be very surprised if my HTC One V, on Koodo Mobile here in Canada, came with those preinstalled....

        Are you entirely sure that it's HTC that's adding that crap, and not Sprint? None of the apps you have listed came preinstalled on my phone.In fact, the only non-Google apps that came preinstalled on my phone were Dropbox, HTC Hub, Polaris Office (full), Sound Hound, and TuneIn Radio. I doubt most users would complain about any of those, even if they don't use them. And having a fully licensed copy of Polaris Office out of the box on a $150 phone is actually pretty nice of them....

        • yeah, his crapware is sprintware, not android ware. But his point is that he can't take it off an android phone, while he can take it off his win8 phone. Interesting, if true (and I have no real reason to doubt it) and if valid then it makes for a real objection to android. I know my wife's phone has some crap from ATT that she doesn't use and gets POed about having. But when I offer to cyanagen it she shies away. So, its her phone ya know, if somebody wants to bitch and complain, let 'em.

      • Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (Score:5, Interesting)

        by c ( 8461 ) <beauregardcp@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:21PM (#43029677)

        For example look at what HTC and the carriers install on Android and which cannot be uninstalled and then cause serious security issues which are never fixed.

        You can't uninstall them, true. But you can disable them, which is effectively equivalent except they still take up disk. And those extra Android apps aren't burning that much disk compared to, say, a default Surface install.

        • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

          by Eirenarch ( 1099517 )

          You do know that Surface is not a phone and runs different operating system from Windows Phone devices right?

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by c ( 8461 )

            You do know that Surface is not a phone and runs different operating system from Windows Phone devices right?

            This is the same "Surface" they used to slap on an interactive coffee table, right? Don't even get me started on Microsoft's fucked up branding and marketing strategies...

            In any case, the comparison is legit. The parent was about Android. The same Android which runs on my phone, tablet, and periodically my netbook. It's in the same function space as Surface, particularly if you're looking at Surface

      • Re:nobody wants Microsofts solution (Score:4, Informative)

        by Bert64 ( 520050 ) <bertNO@SPAMslashdot.firenzee.com> on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:28PM (#43029741) Homepage

        It's often carriers rather than the phone manufacture that bundle all manner of crap, and other modifications to the firmware...

        Often you can go back to the manufacturer's default (ie not network branded) firmware for a much better experience, or you can buy a phone direct from the manufacturer which already has this firmware rather than buying it from your operator.
        In many cases you can also install a third party android firmware such as cyanogenmod.

        I have had several phones which were crippled by carrier-specific firmware, missing features, features not working, instability, bloatware, poor battery life, and which were fixed by installing stock firmware.

  • Sounds like LG is going to cover the playfield with Android, Firefox OS, maybe even PalmOS? who knows now...

    • I don't want to go back to Palm, Firefox OS doesn't exist yet (they've yet to ship a product), so that leaves Android (which is a great choice because of the well developed ecosystem and ease of deployment). But you forgot about WebOS which is being sold off and is already fully developed by HP, and you forgot Chrome which is looking for someone to care about it.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by greywire ( 78262 )

        Sorry, WebOS, thats what I meant to say. Not sure if its true or not but supposedly LG was/is going to buy WebOS. Lets not also forget Ubuntu Mobile.

        With web based mobile apps getting better and better, the idea of more phone os types that just support web apps starts to become more likely. Microsoft is in trouble in mobile land.

        • While you are speculating, they also have KDE's Plasma Active desktop that they could use - maybe w/ WebOS

    • The last time I bought an LG phone it died 4 times in 2 months and then battery broke a few months later. I've never seen a decent LG smart phone.

      If they're shotgunning the OSes hoping for success then they're barking up the wrong tree. LG is the problem not Android, Windows, Ubuntu or Firefox and the solution needs to be from LG: better devices.

      • The last time I bought an LG phone it died 4 times in 2 months and then battery broke a few months later. I've never seen a decent LG smart phone.

        If they're shotgunning the OSes hoping for success then they're barking up the wrong tree. LG is the problem not Android, Windows, Ubuntu or Firefox and the solution needs to be from LG: better devices.

        Hum... LG does make crappy phones, but I have never had a problem with their reliability. In fact, from what I've seen, they seem to be quite durable and well-built. The problem is what they're built of. LG has beautiful phones with 4.3" screens, ICS and Adreno 200 - a GPU which was already obsolete in 2010. ( see Optimus L7). The whole L line is utter crap, in fact, being incredibly underspecced. Except for the L3, which would be cheap enough to be a good contender if not for that hideous screen. Really, t

      • My experience with LG and phones has been:

        - A lot of the older Sprint feature phones by LG are pure shit. The Rumor, the LX160, and others. The Rumor, Sprint's first feature phone with a slide-out keyboard, had numerous firmware updates to correct issues, including one where if you hit the wrong combination of keys the phone's memory would be zapped to the point where it would not know it's ESN and could not make a phone call. I hated LG for a long time after seeing that phone.

        - I have an LG Intuition (m

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by greywire ( 78262 )

        They should be a perfect match for WebOS then...

        Although I loved my Palm Pre, the hardware did suck.

      • The optimus G is a great phone and very refined, it is like a work of art.
    • FirefoxOS? I thought that LG would cover their bases w/ WebOS and Android.
  • "Microsoft's has a great relationship with Nokia, which is considered in the industry first among equals when it comes to Microsoft partners, has some vendors reassessing their own support for the operating system." Is this supposed to read that Microsoft and Nokia are considered equals, and Microsoft is giving preferential treatment to that vendor? Or is it supposed to read that Nokia has been withdrawing support, and so other vendors are shying away too? Can someone please review these summaries before t

  • Market positioning (Score:4, Insightful)

    by MichaelSmith ( 789609 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:01PM (#43029501) Homepage Journal

    The high end of the smart phone market is occupied by Apple and Samsung. Thats where money is being made. I just bought a Huawei android phone for my son for 60 bucks. Screen resolution and storage are not fantastic but it is great value for money. My current LG phone competed with the Huawei. It is in the same market. Going upscale to compete with Samsung is unlikely to work for LG. Going down scale to compete with Huawei might be possible, but I wonder if they have the manufacturing muscle to pull it off.

    Bottom line is the windows is a distraction right now.

  • What is a "great relationship"? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Stormwatch ( 703920 ) <rodrigogirao@noSPAM.hotmail.com> on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:04PM (#43029525) Homepage

    Microsoft's has a great relationship with Nokia

    Like a parasite has a great relationship with its host...

  • Wrong title? (Score:3)

    by toQDuj ( 806112 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:13PM (#43029607) Homepage Journal

    Isn't it supposed to be "Windows 8 not working on LG devices"?

  • Still on my first $10 (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) <bruce@perens.com> on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @07:20PM (#43029661) Homepage Journal
    I bought an LG / Google Nexus 4 a while back. They're less than half the price of other top-end smartphones, unlocked and with no contract. I put a Platinumtel SIM in it with the $10 for 60 days GSM plan, and set it to restrict background data. The network is T-Mobile. After a month I'm still on the first $10, having of course made extensive use of wifi.

    As far as I can tell, I have all of the smartphone benefits without much of the cost.

  • Simple matter of self-interest? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ace37 ( 2302468 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @08:06PM (#43030059) Homepage

    Despite the fact that this is Slashdot, I'm surprised at the number of upvoted anti-MS epithets. I don't see how this needs to have anything to do with the merits of the OS itself when a CEO with an MBA and a Blackberry could easily come to this conclusion on a purely business case.

    Neutral phone hardware developers would perceive a small market that requires investment to pursue. Most likely, LG's expected market penetration isn't large enough to justify the investment. And for the cynics, LG could also assume that, to loosely paraphrase Animal Farm, all carriers are equal to MS, but Nokia is 'more equal,' barring antitrust suits. This creates an additional small interest in starving WP of revenue to keep Nokia out of the ring.

  • Sigh (Score:3)

    by bhcompy ( 1877290 ) on Wednesday February 27, 2013 @08:44PM (#43030355)
    I like my Quantum, but it is aging. Unfortunately, there is a severe shortage of mid range or highend phones with physical slideout keyboards. I guess this means no Quantum 2
  • Who decided this deserved a whole free slashVertisment?

  • Nokia on Lumia is supply constrained. Given the numbers they are very likely to remain supply constrained until at least 2015.
    HTC is currently supply constrained on the 8X. I don't know their future numbers.

    Supply constrained is a good thing for a handset manufacturer.

  • With competitors like Nokia and HTC and even Samsung (the least of the three), how could LG compete? Their hardware was always fourth place.
  • It's funny how the third place Windows Phone, the Samsung Ativ S, is the exact same hardware as the very best Android Phone, the Galaxy S II

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