Apple Devices To Outsell Windows For First Time Ever In 2013 391
zacharye writes "Mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets have long been considered the future of computing and a new projection from market research firm Gartner shows just how important the mobile market has become. According to the firm's estimates for 2013, Apple devices will outsell Windows devices for the first time this year. The estimate takes into account sales of Apple's iPhones, iPads and Mac computers as well as desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones powered by Microsoft's various Windows operating systems..."
Not the whole picture (Score:5, Insightful)
Mobile phones really skewed things. However if you take things like Andriod into account Apple's share is still quite small. It just that Microsoft has almost no presence in the mobile phone market. Bill would not have let this happen had he still been in charge.
Re:Not the whole picture (Score:5, Interesting)
It is interesting, though, that after all these years of /. saying that "20XX is the Year of Linux on the Desktop," Unix-Like devices actually account for more than half of computing devices.
Granted, they aren't as FOS as we might have hoped for.
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They're not as "obscure commands typed at the console" as you might have hoped either.
"Focus follows mouse" debates, where are you now?
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Android is Linux-based, but also comes with a completely own UI (even an own display manager) and own applications.
You know that the UI is not an integral part of Linux? It's a part of the distribution, and different distributions are offering different UIs for Linux. There are X.org based UIs and Wayland based UIs, and HTML-based UIs and command line based UIs... So Android is just shipping Linux with its own UI.
Re:Not the whole picture (Score:5, Insightful)
Bill would not have let this happen had he still been in charge.
Ah yes, Bill Gates the visionary. Almost missed TCP/IP (had to be begged to implement it) ... and the Internet. Was the SPAM problem supposed to be solved in what? 3 years in 2004? Bill let the whole tablet market slip from his fingers, at least a good 9 years before the iPad.
He was in the right place at the right time. Nothing more. Definitely not a visionary.
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Spam has been solved for ages from what I can tell. But I use gmail.
Re:Not the whole picture (Score:5, Informative)
MacTCP was released in 1988.
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.. and routers, embedded servers, firewalls, mesh networks, Rasberry Pi, and too many other strange devices that lack a commonly recognizable name.
Linux (*nix) is *everywhere*.
Xbox and Windows CE? (Score:5, Insightful)
And the zune? (Score:5, Funny)
Don't forget the Zunes. Whatever their final total was, add +8 to it, so it reflects the Zunes.
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I saw a zune the other day. One guy I work with has one and he listens to music on it. I was amazed and asked him why he bought it. His wife gave it to him for Christmas one year.
Re:And the zune? (Score:5, Funny)
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I know that Zunes get a bad rap, but I bought my Zune as an open box item at Best Buy when it first came out, and it's probably the only device that I own that's that old and still works perfectly.
(I own a number of old video game consoles, but they tend to all need special treatment. For example, for my Sega Genesis, I have to blow into the cartridge, blow into the slot on the console, insert the game in all the way, raise the cartridge back up about 1-2mm, shove my wallet underneath the power cable where
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Sorry, but that's Windows CE, my friend.
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Xbox sales is very small in comparison. Microsoft have sold a total of about 70 million units of Xboxes since 2005. Currently they sell like half a million each month - basically neglectable compared with total sales of windows; its even less then windows mobile.
As for Windows CE its hard to find data of number of licenses but its also small given that Linux is comming along and many are already using Linux or switching too it. Microsoft has tried to relauch WinCE as WIndows Compact 8 during 2013. Doubt it
No kidding (Score:2)
The whole thing is stupid period since those devices are all very different markets and kinds of devices. However it is even sillier to compare all of Apple's stuff to just Windows desktops and laptops. If we are going to grab random devices that happen to run stuff, well then there are actually a number of things that run CE, or the embedded versions of Windows.
It actually is not all that impressive to say all of Apple's devices, desktops, laptops, phones, tablets, and so on managed to outsell Windows desk
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The topic is about all Windows devices.
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It's not so much Apple's superiority. . . (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's not so much Apple's superiority. . . (Score:5, Interesting)
You know they should have taken a page out of their own success story. When IBM came knocking they bought an operating system and created MS-DOS out of it. They should have bought Nokia and gotten behind Maemo and put their own spin on it. Maybe a linux kernel with a MS proprietary system on top would have worked for them like Darwin under OS X did for Apple. No, they had to try to reinvent the wheel and it had a flat spot on it.
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Well actually that only applies to modifications to the GPL software. If they use their own proprietary top layer like OS X does with Darwin then that would be legal. Any changes to the kernel would be required to give back but not to anything that was their own from the start.
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The BSD license is irrelevant. The GPL does not cover aggregation, that is shipping two non-related components together in the same distribution, and it specifically provides an exception for allowing essential GPL operating system libraries to be used by proprietary applications.
There are many, many proprietary GUIs used on top of a GNU/Linux base system out there. Particularly in terms of TV Set-top boxes and other embedded systems. This alone is proof that your argument is flawed.
Microsoft could well hav
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I'd like to license my code under the GPL, but I'd also like to make it clear that it can't be used for military and/or commercial uses. Can I do this? (#NoMilitary)
No, because those two goals contradict each other. The GNU GPL is designed specifically to prevent the addition of further restrictions. GPLv3 allows a very limited set of them, in section 7, but any other added restriction can be removed by the user.
Windows XP EOL (Score:2)
No one is buying windows 8 machines that owns any previous windows computer
Except to replace a PC that currently runs an operating system that will stop receiving security patches a year from now.
And the Cozy Coupe was the best selling car... (Score:4, Insightful)
In 2008, the Little Tykes Cozy Coupe was the best selling car in the US. However I don't think Toyota was overly concerned about the competition. Apple devices include things like the iPod. Microsoft's big money maker has always been business licensing. When Apple makes double digit market share in the enterprise arena, this will be news.
http://jalopnik.com/5282451/little-tikes-cozy-coupe-the-best-selling-car-in-america
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In 2008, the Little Tykes Cozy Coupe was the best selling car in the US. However I don't think Toyota was overly concerned about the competition. Apple devices include things like the iPod. Microsoft's big money maker has always been business licensing. When Apple makes double digit market share in the enterprise arena, this will be news.
Well that might be the cash cow but the castle guarding it is that "everyone" is on Windows. Netapplications now say 12% of all browsing happens on mobile+tablet and Macs+Linux has 8% on the desktop. together that means roughly one in five no longer surfs on Windows. That's pretty huge considering how recent tablets came along, if they lose the consumers their position would be very much weaker.
Re:And the Cozy Coupe was the best selling car... (Score:5, Informative)
Seriously Slashdot, you guys must be with me here. (Score:2)
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gartner... really? (Score:2)
This is the same company that said in 2012 that over 350,000,000 PCs were shipped last year now claim only 150,000,000 this year?
Windows 8 is killing PC sales (Score:5, Interesting)
Obviously consumers are mostly staying away from Windows 8, which is slowing new PC sales... and in all honesty, there isn't an urge to upgrade PCs every year or two any more. We've reached a point of maturity in desktops and laptops, in terms of memory and drive space... the sweet spot seems to be around 8GB of RAM and 1TB of drive space. 90% of consumers do little more than surf, get e-mail and play games. Gaming hardware really hasn't vastly improved the user experience in a few years, even low end cards deliver nice graphics and performance on 1080p monitors.
Combined with customers' concerns over the "Modern UI" in Windows 8, and there just isn't a lot of compelling reasons for consumers to purchase new equipment.
Likewise... IT departments have likely slowed hardware refreshes in light of Windows 8. Many took a year or two to adopt Windows 7, which was a no-brainer upgrade after struggling with Vista (which many IT departments skipped). Again... nothing compelling to move into Windows 8 and integrate it into their common office environments, and hardware requirements of current software hasn't demanded more ram than most companies already have deployed.
PC sales are doing great! (Score:2)
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They could have ramped up the resolution and game world detail every year, forcing upgrades - it would have worked too.
Now the lazy developers just port games to the PC with a few hi res textures and wonder why sales are not what they once where.
MS and developers would push once work hard with GPU and CPU demands, ensuring a constant trade up and profit taking.
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I forgot to mention some other biggies. Ripping and burning CDs. Yes, my non-computer savvy 60+ year old relations do this all the time. They would rather create mix CDs than use an mp3 player.
Then there's all the DVDs they watch on their laptop.
First time since the 80s, not the first time ever. (Score:2)
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> How was Windows outselling Apple before Windows existed?
MS-DOS
That's right. Microsoft nearly ground Apple into the dirt with MS-DOS.
That's "manual memory management" versus the GUI driven Mac with an early form of LAN networking, virtual memory, and something akin to USB.
The tech gap between Microsoft and Apple now is nothing like it used to be.
Define "computing" (Score:5, Insightful)
Passively reading news, or tweeting out the occasional 140-character update on your boring life is not "computing" to me. Watching videos isn't computing. Playing games isn't computing, even if it is computationally intensive for the device.
Call me when people start running spreadsheets on these things, or are using them as their primary development platform.
I think it would be more fair to say that these devices have surpassed the PC as interactive entertainment devices, as opposed to "computing" devices.
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The worst part of this will be that since Windows will be outsold by Apple, Microsoft will just say "make it even more like Apple, and Facebook! More Facebook! Wouldn't want Mr. Vader Fader Kid [cnn.com] to beat us at phones too!"
Define "No True Scotsman" (Score:4, Insightful)
If we take "passively reading news" to include other sources like forums, home pages, blogs etc. then most web browsing is excluded in general. If "tweeting out the occasional 140-character update" isn't computing then everything from IRC to e-mail to posting on Slashdot isn't either. Take away "watching videos" then I'm guessing that excludes listening til music, watching pictures or any other form of similar activity too, we've already excluded social activities and commenting as blabbering so all of Facebook and YouTube has nothing to do with computing. When you exclude things that are computationally hard for the computer but not for me, then I think you've excluded 95%+ of all I've ever used my computer for personally. Even compiling from source probably shouldn't count as "computation" then, if all you do is make && make install.
Let me try phrasing it it another way, what were the reasons I wanted to upgrade to a better PC in the past? Playing MP3s and MIDI was big in the 90s, better graphics modes in the 90s and HD video in the 2000s, games the 80s until present. In fact, I don't think I've ever wanted a new computer to make my spreadsheets go faster or to get my compilation times down. So since you've excluded all the reason I'd like to have or upgrade a computer, I guess it hasn't lost as a computing device only as a PC. Because I guess almost all the things I've used it for over the last decades haven't been computing, silly me. Oh and the really heavy computation you now do on a server or in the cloud, welcome to the new mainframes - on my desk at work is nothing but a thin client.
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I agree. Computing vs consuming or creating vs consuming.
Most computer users are using them as consuming devices. Not that there is anything wrong with it but I'm pretty sure without mobile devices Apple would be right where it was 8 years ago.
I also agree that the consumer market has been Microsoft's to lose and so far they are doing a darn good job at losing it.
Maybe cause.... (Score:2)
Thanks to S. Balmer ... (Score:2)
and Windows 8, no doubt.
Apples vs. Oranges (Score:3)
It's called "moving the goalposts" (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft "devices" (which apparently means "Windows devices" - mainly laptops, desktops and servers, with a few smartphones and tablets) are being outsold by Apple devices (mainly smartphones, tablets, and laptops, with a handful of desktops and even fewer servers).
In other news, Ford is outselling Airbus in terms of vehicles sold, and India makes more films than America.
Not only is there the whole computer-vs-mobile thing (with mobile being a growing market and actual computers having plateaued), but Microsoft itself is pretty new as a hardware manufacturer. They make Surface RT, Surface Pro, two generations of Xbox, the Zune, and a long series of mice and keyboards. Whereas Apple has been making hardware since day 1. So a more fair comparison would be "hardware sold" and "software sold" (not counting OS copies bundled with the hardware). Bet you it ends up with each winning one.
PS: Doesn't the Xbox count as a "Microsoft device"? TFA doesn't say, but they don't seem to include it. Seems unfair to have "OS X + iOS" versus "Windows" when Microsoft has their own locked-down, walled-garden media-consuming device.
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Gartner prediction is not a fact (Score:4, Informative)
I tried to find data on historical accuracy of predictions by Gartner, but surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be any.
Here is one example (which is actually not that bad): http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/013108-gartner-it-predictions.html?page=1 [networkworld.com]
Obvious mistake in the summary (Score:2)
"desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones powered by Microsoft's various Windows operating systems"
"tablet" and "smartphone" shouldn't be plural.
Step back, Apple & MS (Score:2)
Oh, if we want to count machines running desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones,and servers then Linux wins over both Apple and Microsoft.
First take 70% of all smartphones on the world market, which are running Android Linux. Then add the 50% of all tablets which run Android Linux. Then add the many millions of Linux desktops, and millions of servers running Linux.
Get the facts correct ... (Score:4, Interesting)
The Gartner report never projects the sales of iOS and OSX devices exceeding those of Windows devices. Those projections cover the years 2012 through 2017, so I'm not sure where that sensational conclusion came from. It's also worth noting that the projected sales of Windows devices is continuing to increase, albeit not at the same rate as iOS/OSX, each year.
Not that I would place much value in these projections. The volume of sales of mobile phones suggests that people will be replacing them every 2.4 years, and that's assuming that everyone over the age of 15 owns one. (If you assume that fewer people own mobile phones, the replacement rate must increase to less reasonable levels.)
Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
Does this mean the DOJ will finally pay attention to Apple and their "fair for everyone, especially the consumers, no this isn't an abuse of power or monopolistic tendencies, hey look over there, there is nothing to see here" policies?
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Probably not, their markets have healthy competition.
Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably not, their markets have healthy competition.
That's correct and they are suing them like crazy.
Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: The King is dead (Score:4, Informative)
Actually, Google bought the original Google Maps [wikipedia.org] too.
Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, there are other mobile device software stores.
You can't define the market as "software stores for iOS devices" because Apple makes all the iOS devices, and you can't be guilty of having a monopoly of your own product.
See inkjet printers, games consoles and razors. It's perfectly legal and non-monopolistic to tie a base product with add ons and consumables. So long as there are other viable choices of system.
Re: The King is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The King is dead (Score:5, Insightful)
Does this mean the DOJ will finally pay attention to Apple and their "fair for everyone, especially the consumers, no this isn't an abuse of power or monopolistic tendencies, hey look over there, there is nothing to see here" policies?
If Apple devices have just outsold Microsoft, then it would imply that there is a somewhat decent balance in the marketplace and the word 'monopoly' is probably misplaced here.
Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
Android based products outsells Apple by a significant margin. Then throw in the sales of all sorts of NAS/set-tops Sat&Cable boxes/xDSL routers/Blu-ray players/Media players/Tivo/Smart tv's running linux.
Makes Linux the world's Dominant Operating System.
Unfortunately.. few people are aware of that Linux OS is behind a large portion of this technological revolution.
Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Informative)
Re:The King is dead (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Interesting)
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Me. Me. Me. Your argument is full of data that is from your own experience. So what show me some real numbers. I live in the country so does my family, as well as everyone else I work with. So everyone must live in the country?
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I really don't think the DOJ should bother. Capitalism did to Microsoft what the government could not. Even in the EU, where supposedly proper justice was being served, when given the choice, the customers chose internet explorer anyways. Microsoft was forced to sell the N version of windows that didn't include media player, but nobody bought it anyways.
Yet when superior browsers rose up, not even the inclusion of IE as the default and unremovable browser (in the US at least) stopped customers from ultimate
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Re:The King is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
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Meh, this is just being posted to wake up the iFans and get their rabid page-clicks.
Android has been outselling Windows for a long time now, and will pass the entire Microsoft installed base in about 18 months.
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Meh, this is just being posted to wake up the iFans and get their rabid page-clicks.
Android has been outselling Windows for a long time now, and will pass the entire Microsoft installed base in about 18 months.
Hey, look, Microsoft got into the fickle home entertainment market with XBox. Apple stayed away and developed products which were far more addictive.
I love Android and the alternative it provides, which forces Apple to remain on their toes, but Microsoft isn't even a player in the mobile market. Doesn't take a fanboi to figure where Microsoft's missteps have led them.
Android has probably not (Score:2)
Android has probably not outsold Apples devices, when you consider Android's non existent tablet sales and lack of laptops/desktop installations.
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Android has probably not outsold Apples devices, when you consider Android's non existent tablet sales and lack of laptops/desktop installations.
Don't forget to count Cameras and TVs.
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Don't forget to count Cameras and TVs.
And OS/2 beats them all if you count ATMs!
Re:The King is dead (Score:5, Interesting)
Not so fast! If we are going to start comparing counts of "Devices", the clear winner is neither, but Linux.
Windows still rules the Desktop, and Apple the MP3-players, but all those millions of routers, TVs, Blu-ray players, TiVos, GPS units, Android devices and even kitchen appliances....
Linux *Devices* clearly outsell any other comparable platform, by a huge margin.
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In its Android incarnation alone, Linux outsells Microsoft and Apple. Then there's the cloud...
Re:The King is dead (Score:5, Insightful)
If Microsoft doesn't back down and quit trying to cripple desktop PCs into second-rate tablets, Apple just might beat Microsoft for new desktop and laptop sales in some future year, too. Especially if PC hardware continues its relentless race to the crap commodity bottom & Apple can resist the urge to do the same with its hardware.
Don't laugh. Back in 2008. if you told a group of guys with Windows Mobile phones that it would be dead from Microsoft-induced suicide by 2010, you would have gotten laughed at. The original iPhone was a dumbed-down crippled toy by comparison, and Android was just a whispered rumor. Microsoft had a device that was largely dysfunctional for making voice calls, but one hell of a kick-ass pocket laptop with wireless internet access.Then, right around the time they finally started to look like they were learning how to make a phone... they pulled the plug.
Three years ago, Microsoft crawled from the Vista abyss and gave us Windows 7. The skies parted, the angels sang praises not heard since the midnight release parties of Windows95... then Microsoft threw it all away two years later in the wretched name of Metro.
Microsoft is proof-positive that corporate insanity (or alzheimer's) is real and exists. They're going to put themselves out of business, then wonder how they could have fallen so far, and so completely, in so little time. And if they don't, it'll only be due to thirdparty developers working tirelessly to give us the Windows we actually *want*.
Re:The King is dead (Score:5, Insightful)
Especially if PC hardware continues its relentless race to the crap commodity bottom & Apple can resist the urge to do the same with its hardware.
The race to the bottom happens because the consumer wants and will buy cheap products. The only reason they will pay more is if the cheap product is not good enough. The problem is that Android and ChromeOS can go far lower than windows can. Future generations of ARM chromebooks are far more of a threat to Microsoft than Apple will ever be.
The apple brand is too strong for OEMs to make significant sales at that price-point so they need to go lower. If you can go lower than everyone else while still providing an adequate product then you corner 30 to 50 percent of the market. If the race to the bottom is not happening then anti trust laws should be brought out.
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To a company like HP, the real cost of Windows (Home, at least) is about $20-25... they pay ~$35 to Microsoft, but if they shipped it with Android, they'd have to pay $10 to Microsoft anyway.
Microsoft has only three things to blame for the piss poor sales of Windows 8 (and hardware that ships with it) -- themselves, Metro, and Windows 8 itself. If they'd left well enough alone, and allowed Windows 8 users to change one or two preferences settings and have Windows 7's look and feel back, just about everyone
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No one is going to lug around a 5lb brick just so some geeks can look at it drool.
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I'm a troll?? Am typing this on a Mac, FFS. When saying "Windows rules the desktop", I never said it was better.
Give the money back (Score:2)
Clearly it is time to close apple down and give the money back to the stockholders. I mean it has a price to earnings ratio of 9.6 in an industry where 30 is the norm ( Facebook has a P/E ratio of 1,854.43, and arguably a book value of zero.) Seriously it's on the way out.
PEG (Score:2, Interesting)
Yeah apple's PEG ratio is 5 times SMALLER than google's. Price/ Earnings/ Growth. So smaller means better. five fold better. Stunning.
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This can only result in this:
1. PC manufacturers, not asociated by Apple will go full Linux;
2. Apple's security department will face security breach hell;
3. People will return to Windows or switch to Linux.
Mac OS X security is a joke. Not by design, but by practical reality:
1. It's based on free software;
2. It's not patches as fast as that free software;
3. Since there is no security through obscurity, cracker will only need to subscribe to various free software mailing lists and acces CVS systems;
4. Wait fo
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I didn't realise microsoft sold that many devices. I thought most of what they sold was software licenses. It's Dell, Sony, HP, Lenovo that sell devices. Aside from xbox and similar things.
Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft offers what it thinks you should have.
Apple offers what attracts people.
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Apple has more competent marketing.
This is a new phenomenon. Prior to Apple's advertising renaisance, it was on perpetual deathwatch for years. The idea that they would ever sell more of anything than Microsoft was laughable.
They were marginalized just like any other would-be PC competitor.
It's only by becoming a Sony wannabe that they managed to avoid becoming nothing more than a historical footnote. It's a stupid and invalid comparison. The new Apple is the successor of the Sony Walkman, not the IBM PC.
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You do realize that Jobs was the one who said "people don't know what they want"?
Yes, and he never said Apple offers what people want either.
Otherwise we'd have an expandable desktop Mac that's smaller and cheaper than the Mac Pro. We'd have a Mac Pro that doesn't make a joke out of the "Pro" part. We'd have native blu-ray playback on Macs, and and SD card slots for user-expandable memory on iDevices as well.
Apple simply offers them something that is attractive to them, and and Microsoft's version is not.
Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't want Blu-ray playback, if it means the OS has to conform with the required DRM hooks.
If you're on a Mac the OS already does. It's more about licensing with MPEGLA and protecting the iTunes ecosystem.
Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (Score:4, Insightful)
That's not what "people" want. That's only what "SeaFox" wants.
You really think people don't appreciate being able to increase the storage on their cell phone or tablet without having to buy a whole new device? And I'm sure there's no gamers out there with Macs who would like to be able to use a high-end graphics card without having to plunk down for the top-end pro tower from Apple.
Go to any Mac forum and read from the creative professionals upset the Mac Pro hasn't been updated in any major way in three years. Or the folks with 24-27" iMacs annoyed they have that IPS screen and can't watch HD video on it unless they either rebuy their movies on iTunes or jump through hoops encoding/space-shifting their own content because they can't just pop the disc in the drive and play it like on a PC.
If you're gonna be a troll, you could at least not make yourself look like a moron in the process.
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You do realize that Jobs was the one who said "people don't know what they want"? Apple is the #1 perpetrator of dictating to users what they "should" want.
Non sequitur. "People don't know what they want" doesn't mean you dictate to them what they _should_ want. It means you figure out _for them_ what they will like when they see it. You give them _exactly_ what they want, even when they don't know what they want themselves.
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And Steve was right almost every time
No he wasn't. I've got an x86 Samsung Win8 tablet in front of me here. It's got HDMI out, a USB port and a micro SD slot. That's what I want.
Re: Interesting observation because MS != Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
But that's not what the masses want, you're a nerd (admit it you're on slashdot) and what you want is a microscopic market niche. Steve was right.
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Microsoft offers what it thinks you should have.
Apple offers what attracts people.
I'm no fan of either company, but that's just a PR quality meaningless statement. All you've said is that Apple is more successful ithan MS currently is.
Take it to its logical conclusion - does Apple offer what it thinks you should not have? Of course not, they both do the same thing, Apple's just been better at it recently is all.
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Pay $1K for a tablet that makes an Apple device look like a fair priced product?
Play games on a slow 2004 computer at ~1080p in 2013?
If you have coding skills, been told that aspect of the hardware are off limits unless your a multinational halfway into the dev cycle?
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Do they still sell Zunes? If I walk around near the Microsoft store long enough, will I see some teens squirting?
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You said teens squirting.
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I wonder if they counted all the droids that Microsoft is getting a cut of?
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What makes you so sure that Steve is still buried?