Samsung Launches 3200x1800 Pixel ATIV Book 9 Plus Laptop 397
sfcrazy writes "As expected Samsung has updated its Ultrabook family giving direct competition to Apple's MacBook Pro and MacBook Air. When Apple launched its MacBook Air with 12 hours of battery life every one was looking at only one company to outdo Apple and that company was Samsung and the leading Android maker did not disappoint. With the launch of ATIV Book 9 Plus featuring:
* 256GB SSD (seems 128GB would be the base model)
* 3200x1800 resolution
* Touch Screen
* Haswell Processor
* 12 Hours battery life
* More 'standard' ports as compared to Apple's proprietary ports."
* 256GB SSD (seems 128GB would be the base model)
* 3200x1800 resolution
* Touch Screen
* Haswell Processor
* 12 Hours battery life
* More 'standard' ports as compared to Apple's proprietary ports."
Resolution (Score:5, Interesting)
The high resolution is a major win over the Macbook Air. Typing this on a MBA and the one thing I wish it had was higher screen resolution.
Re:Resolution (Score:5, Funny)
Me too, but I wish I had a table instead because the MBA won't keep still and keeps complaining he didn't go to college to be treated like this.
OSX needs more hardware choice and new mac (Score:2)
OSX needs more hardware choice and new mac pro just seems to make the mini to pro gap even bigger.
Where is the mini plus with a desktop cpu, and at least mid range video? Don't want AIO's.
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Basically, you are saying that you are more adept at using windows, and therefore someone else should be as well.
Logical failure.
When things fuck up, I prefer Linux sence then I know I can fix the issue.
Things happen to fuck up a lot more on the desktop on linux though.
Re: Resolution (Score:5, Funny)
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Pretty certain you ARE joking, but in case you are not, linux comes with a FAR richer set of tools in that vein and they are all free. And linux tools are designed to hook together in bash to whip out any ad hoc construction you need in quick order
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If you really want hassle-free, you would use windows. OSX needs 3rd party apps for everything. OSX is always trying to sell you apps. Windows has lots of great free apps, like NotePad++, but OSX wants you to pay for BBedit. Plus the OSX MS Office is far inferior. Also, it's way harder to fix a mac, always have to deal with permissions problems. For every good thing I like about OSX, I find some bad thing about it too. It's a wash at best. Plus, when I'm working, I don't want to have to stop to look up how to do XYZ on a Mac, when I already know how to do XYZ on windows.
You need to mark your post clearly as being sarcastic, or people might not get it and think you are on drugs or something like that.
Re:Resolution (Score:5, Insightful)
I have never heard of Windows desktop software struggling with monitor resolution. Please elaborate. Everything is fine here at 2550x1600, why would 3200x1800 suddenly cause 'too many programs' to 'not run properly'?
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When you increase the DPI so you can actually read the content, some poorly designed programs struggle. You can see this for yourself by going into Display settings and increasing DPI from Smaller (100%) to Medium or Larger (125/150%). Windows doesn't "zoom" the content, but more or less forces changes in positioning and sizing of elements and font sizes. This screws with many apps that have positioning defined that is incompatible with this type of resizing. Honestly though, the problems encountered ar
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Cramming 3200x1800 into 13" can make many things appear mighty small. Its not that it wont work. Its that windows (and 3rd party apps) has traditionally been pretty bad at handling anything other than standard 96 PPI. The Samsung screen has an actual PPI of 275. So that x on the top of a window is going to be 1/3 of the size of what windows intended unless its scaled. Same with all your menu bars and whatnot. If you are using a fixed size application such as Calcul
Re:Resolution (Score:4, Informative)
Screens are supposed to report their physical size as well as their resolution, so the system can work out the DPI and scale things accordingly. Unfortunately many things just use bitmap graphics which look crap when scaled, instead of vector artwork which would just look more detailed.
Unfortunately, the standard Win32 API has no support for vector-based icons. What you're supposed to do is create an .ico file which has about two dozen different bitmap images, all the way from 16x16 with 16 colors up to 256x256 32-bit. (This latter resolution was added in Vista; before that, icons maxed out at 48x48 if I'm not mistaken.) The OS will then scale one of the bitmaps to fit the size needed.
There are good reasons for having a hand-drawn bitmap for 16x16 (scaling vectors or larger bitmaps down this low usually means subpar results, for the same reason that non-hinted fonts look bad at low point sizes). But most of the intermediate sizes are really only there for legacy reasons. The Windows icon file format is a sloppy and outdated mess.
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Unfortunately Windows can't currently do that. Such functionality is expected in Win8.1, which we should know more about next week.
Re:Resolution (Score:4, Informative)
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That would be with XP style scaling. On WinVista and later that mode can only be used with scaling levels less than or equal to 125%. After 125% you get Vista style scaling, which depending on how well behaved an application is will result in one of two things.
If the application is flagged as being DPI scaling aware (Office, web browsers, etc) then the application will take care of scaling on its own, and hopefully render a suitably large image natively. If an application isn't flagged as being DPI scaling
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It does not work. It scales the fonts, but in many applications it does not scale the bitmaps. Lots of applications are effectively unusable on a high-DPI display.
The release version of Firefox is fairly broken for high DPI on Windows, but the Nightly handles it fine.
Remote desktop is almost unusable at high DPI in Windows; you cannot change scaling per user in Windows Server, so it only works if all your clients are high DPI.
Re:Resolution (Score:4, Informative)
It is strictly application-dependent. If app declares itself as high-DPI-aware (which they have to do explicitly in the app manifest), then it's expected to properly handle DPI by scaling everything appropriately. Some frameworks do it automatically - for example, WPF. Others do not, but people declare their apps as high-DPI-aware anyway because they don't understand what it actually implies.
Left out the best feature (Score:5, Funny)
FTFA:
weighs only 1.39 grams
Re:Left out the best feature (Score:5, Funny)
FTFA:
weighs only 1.39 grams
Wow.
All the weight must have gone out the Window(s).
ba dum dum..tiss.
Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Insightful)
Care to name them?
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Care to name them?
They're probably comparing it to an iPad since the MacBooks don't have touchscreens.
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"Proprietary" may be the wrong word, but Thunderbolt display output may certainly qualify.
Is there anybody other than Apple who makes a display which works with Thunderbolt?
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Many, many mini-DP compatible displays out there.
Thunderbolt is more than just a graphics port--it is an all-purpose port.
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Informative)
Any monitor with a displayport. Mini-displayport plugs directly into thunderbolt. Nothing special required except a cable with the correct plug on each end.
I'm a little shocked and a lot disappointed that this is still uncommon knowledge.
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:4)
Reality shouldn't be uncommon knowledge. Maybe I'm also one of the few people that knows you can plug a monitor with a DVI port into an HDMI port with a simple cable. And that i-link and Firewire are the same thing.
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How about IEE1394?
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Interesting)
Name one one fucked up port? Are you saying the Thunderbolt port that Intel created is a fucked up port? And the fact that Thunderbolt cables require a chip in them (that Intel made necessary) is now Apple's fault?
Seriously? You've been smoking too strange stuff.
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Informative)
Thunderbolt and the Thunderbolt logo are trademarks of Intel Corporation in the U.S and other countries [intel.com]
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Insightful)
Thunderbolt is proprietary the same way USB is proprietary - both are owned by Intel.
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Interesting)
Thunderbolt is proprietary - owned solely by Intel. Mini-Displayport was proprietary too (Apple). VESA finally incorporated it into the (full-sized) Displayport standard a few years back.
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Don't expect many people to take to Thunderbolt, but I use it for portable hard drives, though I still find myself preferring FireWire 800 a little more.
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:4, Informative)
Thunderbolt is Intel's not Apple. Fireware is an IEEE standard. Only minidisplay port is an Apple "proprietary" port.
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Informative)
If you want to use IEEE1394, you need to pay... Apple.
That was true ... in 1998. Yes, we said it was stupid at $1/port and then stupid when they went with a flat fee. Eventually they got that. By time they bought Zayante for the PHY's this had all blown over.
https://developer.apple.com/softwarelicensing/agreements/firewire.html [apple.com]
Waiting for the inevitable mod-down by Apple fanboys who dont like the truth.
You can't just be wrong and them blame fanbois for calling you out on it.
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Informative)
It was transferred to Intel nearly 2 years ago.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/05/20/thunderbolt_trademark_rights_will_be_transferred_from_apple_to_intel.html [appleinsider.com]
Re:Apple's has proprietary ports? (Score:5, Informative)
And in case somebody out there doesn't believe this actually happened, INTEL: Usage Guidelines for the Thunderbolt(TM) Trademark [intel.com].
To be fair, when Apple DOESN'T fuck up, they don't fuck up.
Proprietary ports? (Score:5, Interesting)
Which port is that exactly? The USB, the HDMI, the SD slot, or the Thunderbolt ports. All of which are standards.
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The mac air doesn't have an HDMI port, it has a MiniDP port. Which is still royalty free... Oh, and don't forget the headphone jack :)
In fact, my mac air has more "standard ports" than the Ativ in the article is depicted as having (they mention/show nothing but a single USB, headphone, and HDMI).
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You know, a lot of people say this. And while it does accomplish that, the implication is that a regular power connector doesn't come out when you pull on it. My Acer laptop has a power connector that comes out just fine with a little bit of force on the cord.
The MacBook is decent and the magnetic power port is an elegant design. It was a major pain when I somehow ended up with a tiny piece of metal stuck in it though. Had a challenging time trying to get it out. Can't shake it out because the magnet h
Re:Proprietary ports? (Score:4, Informative)
The magnetic connector was used on deep fryers for a very long time before Apple managed to get a patent on it.
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I've used an Apple laptop (exclusively) for years, so I have to ask--are power adapters standardized on PCs?
As an aside, I love the Magsafe adapter. It's so much better than any other adapter I've used.
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Many laptops have standardized on a 20v power input, HP Dell and Lenovo all run on 20V DC, 3.5-6A generally for a 15" workstation. I think HP and Lenovo use a standard Barrel connector, but Dell changes every so often. The actual brick is compatible however. Some netbooks were 19v (HP mini in particular) but generally they will take 20v as well.
Aftermarket laptop power adapters are cheeeeeeap. Like, $10 for commodity, $20 for name brand. I picked up a 12v car adapter for my Thinkpad for $20 shipped.
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And after market Apple power adapters are expensive?
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/macbook-power-cord [ebay.com]
Re: Proprietary ports? (Score:2)
Dell changes every so often? Its been the same for over 10 years, probably more. The old adapters still work, if it has enough W.
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And how many laptops use it? At my company, every time I get a new laptop (2 years on average), I get a new freaking power adapter that doesn't connect to the old one. Lenovo, if you're curious.
Re:Proprietary ports? (Score:5, Informative)
Mac Air:
2xUSB 3.0, HP/Mic, SD (Air 13), Thunderbolt
Ativ:
2xUSB 3.0, micro HDMI, mini VGA, RJ45(Dongle), SD, HP/Mic
Ativ beats air by 2 video outputs and wired ethernet. Also by SD when compared to the Air 11.
So, going by the dictionary definition of the word "more", I'd have to say the the Ativ beats the Air when it comes to standard ports.
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RJ45(Dongle)
Does it come with the dongle? If not, then you can't include that in your comparison. Not only does Apple offer both USB and Thunderbolt Ethernet adapters, you can also use any off-brand adapter you want. If you do want to include it, then the Air also offers HDMI, DVI, and VGA via dongles.
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You forgot to add Thunderbolt Firewire 800 to that list.
What's also nice is these Apple adaptors are plentiful and readily available. I doubt it is the same for Samsung.
If I were to get off a plane in a strange city and found I forgot a cable for my rMBP, I can get one at a local Best Buy, Fry's or Apple Store. I cannot say the same for proprietary Samsung cables (well, maybe Fry's has some Samsung love and BB would be a long shot).
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bla bla bla, USB can also be HDMI, VGA, Ethernet and everything that thunderbolt offers. I don't consider anything that plugs into thunderbolt as a "dongle" but as an adapter, like any USB adapter.
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While micro HDMI and mini VGA might not be proprietary, if you expect to plug them into anyone else's displays and you aren't carrying an adapter cable, you're going to be disappointed. Samsung should have put in a Thunderbolt port and sold adapters.
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You'll need adapters if it's mini anything, really. As far as I know, there's only one thunderbolt display on the market (Apple's), and any normal display that supports displayport is probably full sized. So hooking up pretty much any laptop that doesn't have a full-sized port is going to require adapters, including Apple laptops.
Luckily, miniDP adapters are pretty cheap. I've got a Mac Air, and I grabbed some adapters from monoprice. Adapters for DVI and HDMI are under seven bucks, VGA is under fourteen bu
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At the very least they should have put in mini-DP. What's the point of a 3200x1800 monitor, and not having the ability to drive an external/second monitor even half that resolution? Micro-HDMI is cute, but it's incredibly limited in 2013. One mini-DP1.2 port would get you the ability to drive a 4K monitor, or easily convert it over to HDMI or VGA.
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So... Ativ with RJ45 dongle = wired ethernet, but macbook air with RJ45 dongle = no mention?
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If you're trying to call a USB ethernet adapter a dongle, then OK. In that case, the Ativ has 3 ethernet ports - one with the included dongle and 2 additional via USB. If you want to include a USB hub "dongle" it can have many more.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC704ZM/A/apple-usb-ethernet-adapter [apple.com]
Are we really going to start calling every USB device a dongle?
I wrote about actual physical ports included with each machine. I did not include adapters because that's a ridiculous argument. Both systems c
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Ethernet is a port, AC smartass.
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Actually, no... Ethernet is a protocol, defining things like a packet format (Ethernet frames) and an addressing scheme (MAC addresses). Ethernet operates on a number of different connections; 10BASE-T (Ethernet over Twisted Pair, which uses RJ45) and its descendants offering greater speeds is the most common on home PCs today. Mobile and embedded devices frequently use Ethernet over USB. NICs from the 80s and 90s frequently featured coaxial connectors of various types (10BASE5 "thick ethernet" and 10BASE2
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I didn't call anyone an "asshole". I called someone a smartass - a person who has previously called me a dumbass. You, however, I will call pedantic.
Did you expect me to paste the wikipedia entry?
Should I have considered that the laptop has ethernet simply because it's possible for a USB device to provide that capability? If that's the case, then I should I have also listed that the laptop has a 1TB drive because that is also available as a USB device. Maybe I should have written that both laptops have
Re:Proprietary ports? (Score:5, Insightful)
Thunderbolt is a standard now? Show me a non-Intel Thunderbolt host implementation then.
Remember kids, calling something a standard doesn't make it a standard. Documenting it doesn't make it a standard. Documentation plus multiple independent implementations capable of interoperating makes it a standard.
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There are AMD motherboards and non-Apple systems with Thunderbolt. The specification is open AFAIK, there are companies developing their own implementation.
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Google "lenovo thinkpad t430s" and see what comes up. It's not common, but they exist on the high end. I don't think you're going to see a low end laptop with an expensive to implement port on it.
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Little trouble with reading lately? Reread the last sentence of the post you're referring to.
Literally unbelievable (Score:5, Funny)
...and weighs only 1.39 grams
Wow! It must be constructed from helium infused aero gels and space age nano-materials. Almost makes the horrible OS worth enduring. Almost.
Re:Literally unbelievable (Score:5, Funny)
...and weighs only 1.39 grams
Wow! It must be constructed from helium infused aero gels and space age nano-materials. Almost makes the horrible OS worth enduring. Almost.
Careful. Wipe the bloated Win8 OS and the damn thing just might float in mid-air. I mean really, it needs some kind of paperweight.
WTF is a muktworld? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:WTF is a muktworld? (Score:5, Funny)
TL;DR
crap article (Score:5, Insightful)
TFA is hideous. Poorly written and says nothing really factual except that Samsung has a sexy new laptop out.
Just for windows? (Score:5, Interesting)
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I'd love this as a Linux laptop to replace my Acer ultraBook. I haven't seen any mention of a price though, and that worries me a bit. The Acers play quite nicely with Linux ... I hope Samsung sticks to fairly mainstream supported hardware for wireless, etc.
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I haven't seen any mention of a price though, and that worries me a bit.
If you have to ask...
13.3-inch screen? (Score:2)
You're kidding, right? Other than Facebook or playing FreeCell, what is it good for?
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You're kidding, right? Other than Facebook or playing FreeCell, what is it good for?
Porn? Geez man, look at the resolution on this puppy...
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It's good for people who don't have bad vision. Bring on the pixels!
Price? (Score:5, Informative)
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Can't we just roll out all the old excuses we heard from the apple fans about how it may cost more but you get what you pay for?
Will it run Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or even Win7?
Does it have the stupid-ass "Secure Boot"? Does it need to be disabled?
DETAILS!!! Even the CNet article linked in the comments doesn't cover this.
*sigh* (Score:2, Insightful)
To conform to the UEFI spec there must be a way to disable secureboot. Its really not a big deal. Yes your beloved AMD is just one of the other members of the UEFI group. Secureboot does as much as the TPM module that Slashdot claimed would kill Linux.
Be wary... (Score:5, Interesting)
The touchpad broke twice.
The headphone socket produced a buzz every time the laptop was plugged into the mains.
The WiFi kept disconnecting
Out of date drivers that have never been updated.
No support for Windows 8.
Terrible support staff who were either incompetent, lazy, or bored.
Badly written system software: it takes a full 20 seconds to enable/disable the WiFi, no support for non-administrators, it's intrusive and yet it's also required for full system functionality.
Even if all the hardware on this new model is up to scratch, nothing else has changed, and this deal will leave you sour. Basically, don't expect any real after-sales support in the way you probably expect it from most other laptop manufacturers. If you think of it as an appliance (like a TV) and never upgrade it, you *may* be fine.
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Why'd you include that point with the list of failings? That's a feature.
Re:Be wary... (Score:5, Funny)
I bought a MacBook air a year ago. The first one exploded to blew my hand off. The next one killed my dog. It wouldn't run DR-DOS at all. The wifi screwed up and sterilized my nuts.
Overall I was left with a really bad feeling about all Apple products, which obviously must all have similar defects. Anecdotes by unverifiable semi-anonymous internet posters prove that to be true.
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Clearly he's more clever than you, because you didn't notice that it wasn't an anti-Apple post. It was a post about how the plural of anecdote isn't spelled "data".
You missed the "Anecdotes by unverifiable semi-anonymous Internet posters" part, where he basically says that the above story is false.
Looks good, but - (Score:2)
Will it run Windows 7? The hardware looks brilliant and the screen looks incredible. Samsung has ratcheted their game up considerably over the last several years. Unfortunately Microsoft has ratcheted theirs down just as far. The computer comes with Windows 8 and that is a deal breaker if it can't be replace with Windows 7.
Touch screen is ... (Score:2)
... another way of saying shiny screen.
No thanks.
What OSes support high DPI well? (Score:2)
Other than OS X, what other OSes support high DPI displays that work well?
Windows is relatively horrible - set it to 150% and yeah, it's usable, but it seems most apps don't properly handle it so you have text exceeding their bounding boxes constantly. Set it to 100% and it's squint central.
Linux is no better - it just assumes a standard DPI display, and X is just.. horrible to deal with. Yeah, I can have a huge terminal window, but that's relatively useless to me because I want nice crisp text.
Hell, Google
I will believe it, when I can buy one (Score:3)
Samsung announced a laptop last year with a >1080p screen (to lazy to google it). For about 6-8 months I regularly went to their site and searched google/ebay for one.
Nada. It was just a paper release. Now this, maybe they will release it, but until I can click buy and have it shipped to my door in a couple days its just BS.
Frankly, I can't really believe that the only manufacture making a laptop with a screen >150PPI is Apple. Every single PC manufacture thinks it ok to put a garbage screen on their crapbooks, and maybe grace the really high end ones with full 1080p, like its some kind of magic resolution. No wonder dell/HP are screwed, 3/4's of the tablets I look at have better resolutions than nearly every laptop sold at retail outside of an apple store.
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That's what happens when you're hamstrung by Microsoft. Even now Windows is terrible with high DPI screens unless you restrict yourself to Windows Store environment applications. No one can move forward until Microsoft feels they're good and ready. And Microsoft isn't likely to fix the problems on the desktop.
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PC Mag got the new 13" macbook air to go to 15.5 hours on their battery tests (browsing).
With OS X 10.9 getting another 25% extra battery savings, that's going to be almost 19 hours of battery time.
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very nice, how much?
And when will it be available to test the claimed specs? Hopefully soon, I'm looking for an upgrade for my Windows laptop and this could fit the bill if the price is not bonkers and the performance is as claimed. I've grown accustomed to the portability of my Macbook Air and would like my Windows machine be as light. If Samsung really has leapfrogged Apple with the display, maybe that will prompt Apple to get back in the game after their "silent" year of minor bumps to existing products.
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its just the right risze, not to big, not to small fits in your hands,
that's what she said!
the hardware is great, my sister has one
erm... awkward!
Re:borat (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft mandates that all Windows OEMs who implement UEFI Secure Boot for WIndows 8 also allow the user to disable Secure Boot. Even Microsoft's own Surface Pro has this option. This has been widely reported for months now, there are easy-to-find tutorials online discussing how to do it, and...
People are *still* complaining about that? Really?
Ubuntu is adding Secure Boot support so that you can leave Secure Boot enabled while running Linux, as a protection against malware attacking or replacing the bootloader (either on the internal storage or removable media). This is a reasonable enough goal. However, it is not and never has been required if you want to dual-boot or want to replace Win8 entirely.
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Thunderbolt is proprietary (although it isnt *Apples*) as is the 'mini display port' which is the only way to attach an external monitor.
The larger issue in my mind is the lack of standard ports. A notebook that has only one USB port, NO ethernet (the option to add it is with a dongle that will then occupy that single USB port,) and NO standard display port on it is pure fail, without even considering the lack of a replaceable battery. It's small and light which is wonderful, but in order to actually USE it
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"I bough cheap mini display port to display port, DVI, and VGA adapters and I can thus hook my MBP to any display I care to. And it saves needing some huge ass ports making the notebook thicker and bulkier."
And my point which obviously went right over your head is that those adapters you are carting around add much more bulk to your kit than simply having a regular port in the laptop to begin with.
"And just what are you toting around that you need multiple USB and Ethernet cables plugged into it to be usefu
Re:Samsung Linux? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Why on earth would you want to use a Samsung Linux distro?"
First reason - to be sure you have all the drivers. (Better way to ensure that is simply to donate the drivers and specs to the kernel team for maint but people still think this way.)
Second reason - a fantasy that Samsung would actually clean up the UI and make a more polished OS. (Doubtful, the last time I saw a company try this it was Asus and their Linux version was exactly the opposite of polished. And I mean it was bloody awful. It was clear that it was made by someone who had no clue about linux, and I expect Samsung would do little better.)
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Er, woosh [cnet.com]?
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As an alternative point of view:
I don't want to see pixels, ever, when I'm just using a computer for...computing. I just want smoothly-rendered fonts.
When I had a CRT, this was easy: Set the resolution to something ridiculous, tweak the modeline to get a respectable refresh rate, increase the font sizes accordingly, and done.
When I would work with graphics back then, sure: Seeing the pixels was sometimes useful, but that's always just a couple of taps of the zoom hotkey away no matter how finely-pitched
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How about: "All I want is the screen."