GNOME 3.10 Released 218
kthreadd writes "Version 3.10 of the GNOME software collection has been released. New in this release is improved support for Wayland, the upcoming X replacement. The system status menus have been consolidated into one single menu. Many of the applications in GNOME now features header bars instead of title bars, which merges the titlebar and toolbar into a single element and allows applications to offer more dynamic user interfaces. GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software. Several other new applications have also been added to GNOME including Music, Photos, Notes and Maps."
Software (Score:5, Funny)
"GNOME now also includes an application for searching, browsing and installing applications called Software"
I had to read that like 4 or 5 times before it clicked that the name of the application is "Software"
Re:Software (Score:4, Interesting)
While I don't really like Gnome 3, that new Software Center looks nice and clean. Not bad.
Re:Software (Score:4, Interesting)
And they call their browser "Web". Yeah, I've got some troubles with accessing the web. What browser am I using? Eh, it says Web. Yeah, Web... No not Firefox, Web.
Or searching for how to do something or fix something...
This is actually a stupid thing, calling their software after generic terms related to the function. Epiphany is a much better web browser name than Web. Synaptic is a much better name for a software install than Software. Etc. Next they'll be re-badging Abiword as Word Processor.
(I am using a Gnome 3 as I type this. I understand later versions (like 3.8) are better. But I mostly cope with this version, because Ubuntu 12.04 actually works for now, and I don't want to break shit by upgrading.)
You can never make anyone happy. (Score:5, Informative)
You know, I remember, many years ago now, an article that got posted on /. about usability of the Linux desktop for casual/beginner/"regualr people" users. GNOME and KDE were examined. At the time Gnome 2.x was fairly new.
One of the prominent complaints (one that got MSFT and AAPL fanbois gloating) was how people struggled with the exotic names for everyday applications.
So...you have to click this GIMP thingy to edit pictures? To go ont he web you need to clock "Konqueror" or "Galeon" (the latter of which morphed into "Epiphany"--so much more clear what it does eh?). To burn a CD I need "Brasero", etc.
The user had to rely on icons--sometimes they were not so useful either.
So the GNOME people have finally done something about it and name the app that helps you install software "Software", and call the web browser "web" instead of "Epihpany"...makes sense considering the feedback right? Well, now they are being mocked by experienced users for the unimaginative names. It's not like a computer literate person can't figure out what "WEB" does (oh gee, that must be the GNOME web browser...well isn't that more boring than Epiphany, but I guess now Aunt Martha will know how to get on the web).
By the way--"WEB" is just Epiphany renamed--the GNOM browser. Firefox/Iceweasel or Chromium still appear with their respective names/icons, so you can relax unlessyou are among the 1% of GNOME users who just use the GNOME Web browser and nothing else.
(As I type this I use GNOME 3.8 from Debian unstable and experimental packages--'tis a great improvement over 3.4 and earlier that so many still use or base their first impressions on--hopefully 3.10 will be packaged for Debian in due time--pwehaps a couple weeks before 3.12 comes out ;-)
Re:You can never make anyone happy. (Score:4, Informative)
What's wrong with Epiphany Web Browser then? But to call the software simply "Web" is crazy. The idiots who went on, and still go on about, names being hard, are just idiots. When I look for GIMP, in my menu I get GIMP Image Editor. Whoa, so hard to work out what that does! What does Powerpoint do? What does FrameMaker do? What did ClarisWorks do?
And, you didn't address the point that by using generic names, it makes it much much harder to search for information about the software.
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so you can relax unlessyou are among the 1% of GNOME users who just use the GNOME Web browser and nothing else
How can half a user use a web browser?
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Ubuntu has a video editor called "lives". It's completely useless, because it crashes constantly. Why? I have no idea; googling either "lives crashes" or "lives problem" gets nothing useful, since "lives" is such a common word.
So no, renaming Epiphany into Web doesn't make sense. Renaming it to
Re:Software (Score:5, Funny)
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!NOME (Score:2)
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POS is probably nearer the mark. I am busy migrating our machines to LXDE.
If you use text menus, only literate people can use the computer. If you use Icons, only illiterates can use it.
(IME people who use an app less than once in a couple month are unlikely to recognise most icons. Some people use an app only once a year, but have done for 20 years*. Changing the icon annually is a disaster for the support team. Also note than when you mobile had piss-poor resolution and only ha
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Gnome is definitely a POS. Not sure if I'm referring to the same acronym you are though :)
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Next GNOME is going politically correct as Magical Little Person.
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Are you for real or just being sarcastic ?
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I can already see myself googling around "Files crashing", "Software command line", "troubleshoot Disks" and finding immediately what I was looking for. These guys with Gnome really mean business. I bet their names are something like "Dude Johnson", "Nobody Smith", "Programmer Williams", "Name Thorne" or "Guy Pearce" (ok, not the last one).
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If you give software names, users get confused, so they just stuck with Software.
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May the Almighty have mercy.
... And a bucket of lube...
New Applications (Score:5, Interesting)
Is it just me, or is GNOME picking a completely new default multimedia applications every other release or so? Why can't they run with something for a few years, for a change?
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With every iteration of each Linux flavor, it gets harder and harder to install XMMS.
And I mean the late 90's XMMS that just works, not the completely different and unusable client-server XMMS2. Or any of the other multimedia disasters that attempt to deliver every imaginable feature - except a basic equalizer and an MP3 codec.
Sadface.jpg (Score:2, Informative)
WinAmp (except for an awkward period) still looks like it did fourteen years ago, and it's still whipping llama asses.
I'll pour a 40 out for my dead homie, XMMS - it was truly a worthy counterpart.
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Not to sound like a smart ass, but you really shouldn't be using XMMS anymore. They split up into "fancy" folk who created XMMS2 and "traditional" people who created Audacious. I'm using Audacious right now with one of the XMMS skins, it just has newer codecs and more advanced features, and works way better with modern systems.
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fun yes but the support for the actual music is a bit sad, if you had a heteregeneous collection. .wma, .mpc or even .flac. Damn you if you dare having accented characters, spaces, russian letters or any "illegal characters" in filenames or ID3. Maybe you can add plug-ins after hunting and building them. The issues allowed us to let it go without too much grief.
A friend insisted on XMMS, so I installed it on squeeze, semi-manually, it was a throwback to not being able to play
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qmmp is not my stuff but I can recommend Audacious (gtk2 GUI) or Deadbeef (like Audacious gtk3, but properly working)
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Partial credit for guessing "rocK", it's actually Amarok. Which also became popular, did a major redesign, was forked by people who liked the old way better, and only recently is starting to be as useful as the original version again. The main difference from the GNOME history is that eventually Amarok realized they should reconsider their older version's features [kde.org], instead of just continuing to ignore community feedback forever.
(not all) New Applications (Score:4, Informative)
There is some confusion about what is a GNOME-based application and what is part of the GNOME environment itself.
For example Shotwell is a third-party GNOME based application. It has never been part of the GNOME project--not a GNOME component. Rather, it has merely been the most commonly used app for photo management and viewing as packaged by distributions. Shotwell supplanted F-Spot becaus the latter was built with .NET/Mono and many had concerns about potential MSFT-interference.
GNOME did not have final say on either F-Spot OR Shotwell given they weren't GNOME desktop components--just apps designed to work on GNOME. Until now there WAS no official default app. Now there is:: GNOME Photos.
As such, I expect that GNOME Photos, Music, Notes, Maps, etc. will continue for the long term as the "defaults" as they are new official GNOME components. Furthermore I suspect Shotwell, Rythmbox, etc will continue on as alternatives, likely with some enhanced capabilites, different feature sets, etc. just as WEB (aka epiphany) is the "official" GNOME browser client it is still commonly (or even normally) supplanted by a 3rd party browser.
If I wanted a Mac I'd buy one (Score:2)
Integrating everything one way that powers on high say it should be done isn't why I run Linux.
M.E.H. (Score:3, Informative)
Gnome and KDE went through similar histories. The maintainers (for some unkown reason) decided they had to radically change their product - just as Ubuntu decided to introduce a totally new gui a few years ago. The verdict with Gnome is almost universal - the new Gnome (Gnome 3, which you have with Centos 6, unfortunately) stinks and isn't getting any better. Nevertheless, those who offer Gnome - e.g., Redhat, SUSE, others - offer only the latest version. Redhat has made it the default. Their motto is "just get used to it". But there is one hugely positive development: Mint decided to fork the old Gnome, Gnome 2. Mint offers 2 versions of Gnome 2: the Cinamon gui and the Mate gui (pronounced matey, a type of tea). I have no experience with Cinamon but love Mate. I am using it on my main computer. I noticed recently that Fedora also offers a Mate variant. My guess is that eventually most of the distros will; they will offer their main gui, whatever it is, plus Mate, XFCE, LXDE, etc. I am guessing that Gnome 3 will eventually go away.
KDE4 is like Gnome 3 but actually improved as it developed. One of its peculiarities is that it offers 5 (I think) different ways of laying out and using the desktop. One of them - called Folder View - makes it quite similar to the discontinued KDE3. I have instances of folder view KDE4 in my PCLinuxOS and Mepis setups, and like it. Be aware, however, that KDE3, like Gnome 2, has been forked. If you go to the Trinity Linux website you will find that there are people who have rejiggered Debian, Ubuntu, and PCLOS with the KDE3 gui. In fact, one of my partitions is running Debian Wheezy with KDE3. One of the best things about KDE4 is the Dolphin file manager which I have imported into all of my non-KDE setups. It is far, far superior to every other file manager, including the old Konqueror, which Trinity KDE3 still has.
Re:M.E.H. (Score:5, Informative)
the new Gnome (Gnome 3, which you have with Centos 6, unfortunately)
Centos 6 is using gnome 2 still. Not sure wtf you are on about.
Their motto is "just get used to it".
That's GNOME's position. Red Hat will direct you to other DE's if GNOME 3 isnt your cup of tea.
But there is one hugely positive development: Mint decided to fork the old Gnome, Gnome 2.
Again, wtf are you on about? Mint didn't fork GNOME 2. They forked GNOME 3 and created a new DE based on GTK3. The GNOME 2 fork is called Mate and is independent of Linux Mint.
Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.
Re:M.E.H. (Score:5, Funny)
Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.
You must be new here.
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Again, wtf are you on about? Mint didn't fork GNOME 2. They forked GNOME 3 and created a new DE based on GTK3. The GNOME 2 fork is called Mate and is independent of Linux Mint.
Seriously, no one is going to take you seriously if you can't even get the basics straight.
Lots of pot calling the kettle black. Mint has two DEs, GTK3 (but not really a Gnome3 fork) based Cinnamon, and Gnome2 fork MATE. While Cinnamon is GTK 3 based and certainly uses Gnome 3 code, it has very little similarity to Gnome3, retaining the configurability of Gnome2 rather then shoving someone's idea of how you should work down your throat.
Re:M.E.H. (Score:5, Funny)
KDE4 is like Gnome 3 but actually improved as it developed.
Of course. To put it anatomically, KDE 4.0 had its heart in the right place, even if its other innards were completely jumbled. The problem with Gnome Shell, on the other hand, is that it has its head up its ass.
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"Of course. To put it anatomically, KDE 4.0 had its heart in the right place, even if its other innards were completely jumbled. The problem with Gnome Shell, on the other hand, is that it has its head up its ass."
Aptly put. Sad to say, though, as a result of the excessive attention paid to these projects and their anatomical difficulties, the state of the UI on Gnu/Linux and related systems has arguably degraded. The only consolation is that competing options from MS and Apple have seen the same thing happ
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Has it really degraded? Thanks to Gnome Shell we now have Cinnamon. It's better than Gnome 2 ever was and is making its way to other distributions. Coupled with KDE 4.10 (when properly configured to avoid some pesky bugs), I'd say we still have two good options in the "full Linux DE" field.
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Ooh, can we do car analogies next? GNOME3 routes the exhaust pipe into the ventilation system based on the fact that it's a superior design for a bike.
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Their motto is "just get used to it".
I did get used to it, and now I find I like it...With the extensions.gnome.org set of extensions, I find that I can customize it to my liking, and get back some of the old things I like, while keeping a lot of the new.
FWIW, I am sticking with GNOME3, and I am guessing I am not the only one.
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I did get used to it, and now I find I like it...With the extensions.gnome.org set of extensions, I find that I can customize it to my liking, and get back some of the old things I like, while keeping a lot of the new.
So you, you know, 'got used to it', by rewriting it with extensions.
FWIW, I am sticking with GNOME3, and I am guessing I am not the only one.
So, what do you when you're put in front of someone else's Gnome 3 machine, which doesn't have your magic 'makes it not suck' extensions installed?
Or when the next release breaks all your extensions?
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So, what do you when you're put in front of someone else's Gnome 3 machine, which doesn't have your magic 'makes it not suck' extensions installed?
Same thing I do when end up in front of someones Mac which I am not used to....or in front of someone's "themed" Firefox which doesn't have all my bookmarks...or someone else's Windows box that doesn't have all the applications I am used to. I figure it out with the tools I have at hand.
GNOME3 works for me, and I am not the only one who likes it.
If you don't like it, by all means find something you do like....but you will need a better argument than "what do you do when you encounter something different".
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GNOME3 works for me, and I am not the only one who likes it.
GNOME3 doesn't work for you, or you wouldn't have to rewrite it to make it usable.
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It's not that I can't get used and customize it so I can like and use it.
It's that I'm not into (and don't have the time to) customizing my desktop *again*. Not only I had Gnome2 already customized, but it required very little customization, as the defaults are mostly ok.
Thanks MATE!
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FVWM (Score:2)
Does the new Gnome have a FVWM mode, so I can use it without going postal?
Looking forward to GNOME 3.11 (Score:4, Funny)
Gnome for Workgroups!
Gnome 3.10 looks good! (Score:5, Interesting)
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Gnome-shell is very customizable, you can use tweak tool to turn off dynamic workspaces and turn on files-on-desktop, for example. A range of nice extensions are available too.
After only a modest amount of tinkering I have a very fast, functional, attractive desktop.
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Try to find a decent weather app that will display barometer reading AND which direction it's moving. Children today don't even know what a fucking barometer is or why it's not just useful but important to knowing about condition and forecast. Pilots know - or used to, ditto sailors. Anyone who's ever done their own short-range forecast knows. Anyone who's ever had their own weather station at least has the inkling.
Given wind direction and glass, you're well over halfway towards next day's weather. Cou
Please skip the next version (Score:3)
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Please skip making a 3.11 version... just to avoid another flood of ".. for Workgroups" jokes.
Uneven version numbers are development releases. It's never been any different in Gnome.
GNOME 3.10 Released !!! (Score:2)
Both remaining users are said to slightly care.
Really bad naming conventions (Score:2)
The mind just boggles at how incredibly futile it is going to be googling for help on an app called 'Software'. I think the gnome guys have gone from mild contempt for the user to rabid hate and fury.
Amazing.
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It turns out that if you search for software help on Google [google.com], by the third hit it's already tired of dealing with these bad decisions and suggests you get a Mac instead.
If Gnome 3 team design a car, then... (Score:3)
* You must own a 3D licence to drive it, witch cost you money and time to earn.
* The instrument panel (because it's ugly to have useful information displayed all the time) will be replaced by a projection on the windshield with information placed everywhere on it as soon a you do an action, hiding the road.
* And because there is too much informations there, there kill almost all of them as you should known yourself your actual speed (cpu load), energy reserve level (free memory), etc...
* The commands around the steering wheel (because it's way too complicated for users) will be replaced by a touchpad on the center of the steering wheel: you have to swipe up to the extreme upper left corner to display the possible action catalog on the extreme right of the windshield projected screen and then swipe from the extreme left to the extreme right to select the action like turning on the light. Touchpad is the future, period. Commands are for the elders that can no longer adapt there brain to the modern evolution.
* The navigation system (virtual desktop map) basically choose a random direction just second before intersection until it find the destination completely by luck. The map data randomly swap towns (desktop) location so you have to manually maintain a translation index in your head. You cannot program more than a few destinations.
* There is no way to carry something other than a standardized adult on the car. Who would like to have children anyway ? And a car is only there for the joy of driving, so there is absolutely no need to have place for baggage or anything special to transport. Car have is not designed to transport something.
* The car is only adapted to special roads made for them. Using it with previous generation of roads is completely unsupported can raise unexpected results.
* All the accessories actually on the market are completely incompatible with this car. You have to use only the accessories provided by the manufacturer, but the catalog is very short and the quality is bad.
* Sometime it cash for no reason.
* The manufacturer of the car ignore any complain from there customers, telling to them that there are not using the car the way it was designed to be used.
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If the GNOME 3 team designed a car, they'd build a moped and say simpler designs are preferred by walkers.
Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (Score:2, Insightful)
Then fuck off and don't bother commenting on a thread you care nothing about. Every time Gnome Shell is mentioned on Slashdot swathes of you haters come in and say how you will stick with Gnome 2 or it's more loyal successor and then continue to visit every Gnome Shell thread to post more hate comments, it's Open Source for a fucking reason, you aren't being forced to use it there are alternatives, and there are are forks from gnome 2, I don't go into MATE threads and say how i hate that incredibly aged par
Re:THEN GO TO THE MATE THREADS (Score:5, Insightful)
I realize it's passe in today's society to value fact, reason, and truth over feelings, impulse, and consensus, but it's still ok for people to state their opinions, whether they're using the product or not. Criticism should not be silenced for the sake of feelings. Frankly, gnome is just a collection of current design trends that are questionable at best, and that is the reason you see the commentary. The problem is bigger than gnome itself.
1. too much wasted space. I didn't buy a high res monitor just to have a giant tablet.
2. sparsely populated dialogs. I suppose this relates to #1, but still.. Why do we need 4000 extra dialogs to move through remedial tasks like changing backgrounds and color schemes?
3. hidden or nonexistent advanced tweaking. Again, a trend that makes living with computing frustrating. In this age, the user is assumed not suited to define his own workflow and layout, so we're all stuck with assumptions made by 'designers' who 'went to school for design', who never actually did anything else with their computers other than run photoshop...maximized fullscreen of course. To get what I want, I now have to manage a litany of patches against libgnome et al, or if I'm running windows 7, I have to hack up shellstyle.dll using a resource editor, and don't even get me started on windows 8. Why? This is not progress.
The problem boils down to placing aesthetics above functionality. This might work sorta ok for limited use devices, but not desktop machines used for complex workflows.
Sorry I agree with parent (Score:4, Insightful)
But I *DO* repect your opinion. You don't like GNOME, that is fine. You've stated reasons why you don't like GNOME. That is great. That is on topic, even if I don't entirely agree (though GNOME 3 *does* have room for improvement).
That said, "GNOME 3 sucks I use MATE" and then going on to expound about how wonderfully traditional MATE is is OFF TOPIC. The article is about the release of GNOME 3. Unless you are going to make some observation about GNOME 3 beyond a one line "sucks" comment then said comment is very deservedly modded into oblivion.
We've heard it all before. It is a broken record, it is a dead horse that people just can't stop beating. If you must be critical be constructive and be a bit specific about what needs improvement. We do NOT need to hear "GNOME 3 sucks". That is less than useless. Go away and let *intelligent* critics have some input (I would even put up with Torvalds or DeRaadt style profanity laden rants so long as they have meaningful point to them).
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Not really seeing much in the way of objective facts in your opinion piece.
The problem boils down to placing aesthetics above functionality
I guess that depends on what you mean by functional.
For me it mean working with a grid of 8*8 virtual desktops, with up to about 100 windows, and very fast way to switch between them. In work on a lot of projects and I never close my session so I can simply find a particular project exactly as it was last time I touched it. A project can take many desktops alone to fit all the required information (specification, search, edit, git, compilation, targets console, monitoring, chat, schematics, PCB, etc...)
Frankly, gnome is just a collection of current design trends that are questionable at best, and that is the reason you see the commentary.
So was Gnome 2 [...]
Last Gnome revision 2 was a climax for my workflow. Rock stable, and easy to configure to match my needs. Gnome 3 (and Unity by the way) is just a failed experiment that try to reinvent everything by simply denying decade of desktop usability work. It's a childish approach that was based from the beginning on the false idea that Gnome 2 was too complicated and also based on the even more false concept that nobody use a computer to do things more complex that what you can basically already do on a mobile pho
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While your claim could be technically true, the actual user experience is far below the Gnome 2 level.
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Re:MATE RULES! (Score:5, Interesting)
now that GNOME 3 has a supported-in-the-long-term "Classic" mode?
The Gnome developers have a long history of throwing out features and behavior based on a whim. Why would anyone believe that "classic mode" is going to receive long-term support?
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Because RHEL7 is going to use it as the default desktop environment, and Red Hat is the biggest paying contributor to Gnome.
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Because RHEL7 is going to use it as the default desktop environment, and Red Hat is the biggest paying contributor to Gnome.
So you think the people who paid for Gnome 3 so Linux admins could have a tablet interface on their servers are going to maintain YAGUI?
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RHEL is not just for servers, there's a desktop and a workstation flavour that is supposed to be used on desktops and laptops.
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I guess that depends on how 'classic' the classic mode is. Does it offer the same flexibility offered by gnome2/mate, or is it just a look-a-like?
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And what happens if you don't have 3D? (remote use, VM, ill-supported hardware). Well on Atom dual-core you can have llvmpipe, so I guess you will have 100% CPU spikes to draw 2D windows in OpenGL. Well done.
Re:MATE RULES! (Score:5, Informative)
I recently converted from gnome 3.4 fallback to gnome 3.8.
I found it the most annoying pos to try and work with, until I started adding extensions to get back little bits of what I consider core functionality. Kudos to the gnome peeps for making it very easy to download/enable/disable various addons now. The only problem? Twenty fuckin extensions are required to get back those options I want, or to remove shit thats being forced down my throat. Then guess what...extensions often collide and interoperate strangely. Then you have 'mega extensions' that come with one small thing you want and twenty other features you give not a shit about, and, one of those other twenty things collides with another plugin you use.
Then you have the lockscreen. Maybe gnome devs don't use it, but I do, and locking and unlocking / resuming from screen off take anywhere from 30-60 seconds!?!?!?!?! The whole time you're like what in the fuckin fuck is going on.
Want to suspend? No you don't apparently. You only turn off your computer completely or reboot in gnome.
Want to try and use up more than a small portion of the top bar? Ok we'll start chopping the fuckin clock short so you can't read it AND clicking on the (now shortened) clock/calendary display to bring up the calendar pane? No clock on it, awesome. Not to mention it taking 2-5 seconds to pop up the stupid calendar pane.
So much in gnome 3 feels sluggish during operation, even if its just a ~100ms delay, that I feel like my i7 with 32gig of ram is from the early 00's.
Once middle click paste goes away gnome can go fuck themselves, but I'm sure by then they'll have removed more small things I didn't know I found vital---or forcefully prevent some current extensions from working anyways. /rant over
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I can't understand why someone would put up with so much garbage when perfectly viable alternatives exist. Do DEs really have brand loyalty?
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To some extent, yes. If you have maintained the same machine for years with all your environment highly optimised, you vaguely imagine migrating to an altogether different DE is going to be more painful that trying to re-jig the latest POS into simething manageable. However, this time the Gnome team have gone too far. After using gnome-fallback-shell for a bit, and now evaluating several alternatives, it is LXDE for us.
You're doing something wrong I think (Score:2)
On my PC running GNOME 3.8 resuming from lock screen is instantaneous. You have something wrong with your system.
I suspend by closing my laptop lid--not tried any other way but that works.
I have a sandy-bridge qaud core i7 with 16 gigs ram...pretty good spec but not what as good as you have and I can tell you there is no lag to speak of. Boots fast, everything responds instantly. And that is running my Radeon card on LOW POWER (slow) profile mode. Are you sure you have it installed right? Video driver
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lol, if you want to suspend on gnome3 on a desktop, you need to buy or make yourself a "virtual lid" you connect on USB and close, I guess.
Is it mandatory sleep on closed lid? Or was that a macintosh thing. I think I once read about it. Of course suspend on closing the lid can be completely undesireable (what about the downloads, file shares, music, movie playback..)
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There's a "suspend" item, on the top-right menu, same place as always.
You can configure what you want to happen on lid close in the power settings (press the win key, type "pow", press return).
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GNOME itself is irrelevant, but it can damage other DEs and apps because they're in charge of GTK3, and they can cause more work to Cinnamon devs (more stuff to fork) if they fuck with the backends.
Unity uses Gnome3 stuff too, did they fork some stuff I don't know (I never ran Unity barring once on Ubuntu 11.04, and it's not like I can try it in a VM because of the 3D). If they still use straight Nautilus, further feature removals in Nautilus can damage Unity.
So I read the stories about GNOME like this one,
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Oddly enough, I just installed Cinnamon and Mate yesterday. KDE is too buggy and I refuse to use Gnome (but I have tried it). All of the older window managers that I recall really seem stale now: E16, FVWM, Blackbox, etc. I tested out E17 excitedly but it is way too buggy. I have been using WindowMaker and it mostly works but still feels ... limited.
So I edit xinitrc to add the mate startup, exec mate_desktop or somesuch because I want to try it first since I am thinking I will likely go to Cinnamon. I exec
Drama (Score:2)
Curious to know people's thoughts on this: how necessary are projects like MATE now that GNOME 3 has a supported-in-the-long-term "Classic" mode
Why, there should always be a project that people will loudly "threaten" to switch to every time somebody makes a development commit affecting their favorite workflow [xkcd.com] habit.
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Re:MATE RULES! (Score:5, Funny)
How bad of a shot do you have to be to target 99% of everything out there and still miss?
Re:MATE RULES! (Score:4, Funny)
When you are a gnome, you have to aim high to avoid shooting people in their feet.
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You misunderstand, they're using shot guns and rock salt shells. It won't cause serious trauma if you turn and run, but it will cause painful stinging injuries and serve as a warning. The recidivism rate is low.
Re: MATE RULES! (Score:2)
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~$which 1990's
1990's is found in Atari ST an old Spectrum48k that somehow kept going
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I'm a bit embarrassed, but I have to say that Shakespeare himself couldn't have written a better comedy of errors! Cheers!
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Because the Xorg developers say that the code base is rotten and that this is the right thing to do.
Aren't the X.org developers the ones writing Wayland?
You'd think that no-one would trust developers who say 'this software we developed is awful, but the next version will be the best thing evah!'
Oh, hang on, that's been Microsoft's strategy with every Windows release in the last twenty years.
Re: so why ... (Score:2)
To be fair to the Wayland developers they are trying to make a protocol that is optimized for today's needs. X11 can be shoehorned into having some of the same functions but things are harder to implement and often have additional overhead in X11 that does not exist with Wayland.
The project leader for Wayland has argued that many things about X cannot be fixed without major protocol changes. The Wayland model is so radically different they cannot justify calling it X12 or X13.
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I'm not fearing it that much, these days.
- if your app supports X11, you will still able to run it with ssh -X, whether the host it's on runs Wayland, X or nothing at all.
An app can conceivably support only X11, only Wayland or both. It's possible the vast majority of stuff you'll run is in the first or 3rd category.
- if every Wayland window is a dumb pixel buffer and the VNC-like streaming is more integrated rather than bolt-on like now, it becomes trivial to stream only the app and not a whole desktop (Mi
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Seriously, you know you're fucked up when you're touting something that's existed since Windows 98 is getting touted as a feature: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/more-core-ux.html.en [gnome.org]
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...b-but, you get to set your lock screen wallpaper now! The GNOME developers are allowing unchecked and rampant levels of freedom never before seen (in GNOME 3). Seriously, you know you're fucked up when you're touting something that's existed since Windows 98 is getting touted as a feature: https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/more-core-ux.html.en [gnome.org]
Seriously, what's fucked is Qt moving to WebKit Blink and GNOME wisely sticking to WebKit 2 means 2 sets of WebKit running around seeing as most of us have both DE on Linux/FreeBSD [KDE 4.10.x/GNOME 3.8.x Debian].
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I heard Gnome 4 will just be a black screen, because non-black pixels confuse users. Gnome 4.1 may include an option to select the color for the screen.
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I thought that was the apple user stereotype. The linux nerd archetype is just a fat, ugly, basement dweller, usually with lots of body hair. Get your stereotypes straight!