Google Attacks Microsoft Again: Android 4.4 Ships With Quickoffice 178
An anonymous reader writes "With Android 4.4 KitKat, Google's biggest blow to Microsoft isn't against Windows Phone. It's against Microsoft Office. You see, KitKat ships with Quickoffice, letting you edit Microsoft Office documents, spreadsheets, and presentations on the go, without paying a dime, straight out of the box. This tidbit was largely lost in the news yesterday, given the large number of improvements and new features that KitKat offers. Yet it's a very big deal: every Android user that upgrades to KitKat will get Google's Quickoffice, and every new Android device (starting with the Nexus 5) that ships with KitKat or higher will also get Quickoffice."
But I don't want it. (Score:5, Interesting)
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quickoffice.android&hl=en
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the viewer was always free, iirc.
quickoffice sold itself to google right after they ran out of steady stream of money coming from nokia and due to some nokians benefiting from that arrangement it took 2 years longer than was supposed to get ms versions of ms document viewers on symbians....
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It came pre-installed on my 2.1 Sony Ericcson X10 Mini Pro. Is this really "new" news?
quickoffice is free and available to any Android (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, that's an OEM problem. (Score:5, Interesting)
yeah, great, another android fuck-up if you're tablet or phone is pre-loaded with it, you can't update to a newer version unless the manufacturer releases a newer version.. therefore i'm stuck to a very old version of quickoffice on my xoom...
That's not an Android fuck-up. That's the OEM's problem, and it has nothing to do with Android. I chose Nexus devices (4 and 7) to avoid this, as these are the devices Android was written for. For any non-Nexus device, you depend on the OEM for certain things that may or may not occur. As a Slashdot person, surely you know this, right?
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You mean like HP, Dell, and Lenovo are required to force you to run Windows Update on your box?
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Yes it's an android fuckup, for letting OEM's being able to do it in the first place.. the motorolla xoom was the honeycomb developer device, so it was the 'nexus' device in that time, and that's the one that I have and is having the problem..
By your logic it would be a Google fuckup for letting OEMs have full control of what they do with Android which has no technical bearing on merits of Android in itself. BTW, big props to Google for going in the other direction of Apple by letting OEMs do this - I seem to remember this worked out pretty well for MSFT.
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"Letting"?
From Wikipedia:
Am I misunderstanding what that means? How could Android stop OEM's from forking Android? (I'm not an OSS maven, so the question is an honest one).
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If you are a Open Handset Alliance, you are not allowed to fork Android. Expulsion awaits if you do so. If you are not member of Open Handset Alliance, you are not allowed to use the Android trademark and include the app store (and other things) on your phone that runs the Android fork.
See the ugly truth at http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
Open source means nothing to Google.
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yeah, great, another android fuck-up if you're tablet or phone is pre-loaded with it, you can't update to a newer version unless the manufacturer releases a newer version.. therefore i'm stuck to a very old version of quickoffice on my xoom...
That's not an Android fuck-up. That's the OEM's problem, and it has nothing to do with Android. I chose Nexus devices (4 and 7) to avoid this, as these are the devices Android was written for. For any non-Nexus device, you depend on the OEM for certain things that may or may not occur. As a Slashdot person, surely you know this, right?
I agree completely, but different users have different priorities. My problem with the Nexus is the lack of choice. I'd rather Google partnered up with different companies
Re:quickoffice is free and available to any Androi (Score:5, Insightful)
You can still install the newer version on Google Play if your tablet came installed with the old QuickOffice HD, I just did it on a Dell Streak 7.
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Re:quickoffice is free and available to any Androi (Score:5, Informative)
Your OEM probably changed the signature on the APK they pre-installed.
You can upgrade a pre-installed APK from Google Play. This is not a problem. Unless, that is, the package name for the new and old APKs is the same, but the signing certificate is not. This is not a bad thing, except when %!@#(*# OEMs re-sign APKs they pre-install.
I made a living off localizing android systems for the local market, and I always had a bit of a hard time explaining to the clients why I couldn't localize none-core apps (which include the Google Play itself, for which the Hebrew translation seems to have been done by someone quite illiterate).
Shachar
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With any rootable device, you can just delete the old APK from the system folder and clear the package cache. Problem solved.
Shachar
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You could take a minute to, you know, like, look at the Play store (unless you don't have an Android phone and are just ranting to hear yourself scream) and see that this is a free install for any recent Android device. (And you can uninstall it from any Android device also if you don't want it.)
Looks like 1,000,000+ people have downloaded it.
I just installed the latest version on an old HTC phone which has been heavily customized by HTC with the "Sense" interface with no problems.
(I can uninstall it too...
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But this is not an Android fuck-up, as you claimed, but a Motorola fuck-up, if anything.
On all 6 of my Android devices (from 4 different makers) I can update pre-installed apps without problem.
If you really would have to remove the old version on the Xoom to install a new version you should be able to do that by rooting your device. After that you can usually remove pre-installed apps as you can get write access to the system folders.
The way you worded your original statement is just plain wrong.
(And don't
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*sigh*.. If I could uninstall it I would have, it's a common problem (just read some forums).. I have a motorolla xoom tablet.. Yes, QuickOffice is free, I know that too, but before you can install the latest version you need to be able to remove the old one, and that's not possible when QO shipped with your tablet (at least on 'older' devices)..
Just root the damn thing and remove it with titanium backup or one of the countless root uninstaller apps on Google Play. Rooting a Xoom is pretty trivial, in fact here is an idiot-proof guide: http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-xoom-root-the-easy-way-with-1-click-root-and-overclock-guide-20110331/ [androidcommunity.com]
Re:quickoffice is free and available to any Androi (Score:4)
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quickoffice.android&hl=en [google.com]
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therefore i'm stuck to a very old version of quickoffice on my xoom...
What the...?
You can update the pre-installed version of (almost) any app from the Play Store or by side loading without any problem.
The first thing that happens when I do a factory reset on an Android device is that the Play Store wants to update half of the pre-installed apps.
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I don't have a single device that has anything other than a nightly build of Cyanogenmod. I don't have unpopular devices, either.
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Screw both MS and Google, I'm using Open Office. Opens and saves all formats just fine, exports easily to PDF and I don't have to be online to use it. It would be handy to open a Word doc or Oo doc on my phone, though, although I certainly wouldn't want to write or edit on a phone.
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Maybe not on a phone, but a tablet in landscape mode with a USB or Bluetooth keyboard? Why not?
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It'll be part of the firmware... I.E. taking up space you can't access/use for anything, anyhow.
Kingsoft Office is also free and handles Microsoft Office formats, too.
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Is this optional or am I required to have it taking up space on my Nexus 4 regardless?
What a tribulation!
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Because you can't.
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The way Android is structured, some apps are in a read-write filesystem and can be uninstalled, some are in 'ROM' (a read-only filesystem in the flash that is only modified when you do a firmware update) and so can't be uninstalled. As of Android 4, they can be hidden from the UI, but they're still there (and there have been instances where 'disabled' apps still had exploitable vulnerabilities).
I'd love to be able to buy an Android tablet with an absolute minimum of things in the ROM image and everythin
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The way Android is structured, some apps are in a read-write filesystem and can be uninstalled, some are in 'ROM' (a read-only filesystem in the flash that is only modified when you do a firmware update)
Usually you can remove pre-installed apps once you rooted your android device, as that gives you the option to get read-write access to this 'ROM'.
Only on a few devices with unusual partition schemes does that not work.
Is Google upgrading Quickoffice at all? (Score:5, Interesting)
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It allegedly has some sort of integration with Google Drive (assuming that counts as an "improvement").
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Google Uses Quick Office... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's NOT super effective.
Let's get real. An office-ish app on a smart phone is NOT a challenge to a full blown desktop office suite. To suggest that it is indicates an absolute lack of understanding of the user base and use cases for office suites.
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Not a challenge, but a requirement to be competitive.
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So plug that mini-HDMI into your TV and get a Bluetooth keyboard. Is that challenge enough for you?
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Came here to say this. I have a bluetooth iGo Stowaway originally intended for BlackBerry [amazon.com] but it works great with my Android device. The screen on my Razr Maxx HD is pretty decent; I generally don't feel the need for a screen, although I generally carry an HDMI cable so I can Netflix in the Hotel.
I recently replaced the computer in my bedroom with an Android "TV stick" that makes my 32" TV into a "smart" TV without all the $$ and all the hassle [amazon.com]. In large part, I've entered the post-PC era, where much (perha
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PS: My TV stick uses something like 3% of the power of my previous, PC-based solution. The PC would wheeze with fans because of the load of Netflix, the new solution (the size of a thumb drive) is too small to have a fan and doesn't need it.
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So where is the "attack" in the headline coming from, then? If anything Google just made Office on laptops and desktops more attractive by shipping a viewer for them by default on Android.
Dominant in Market (Score:2)
It's NOT super effective.
Let's get real. An office-ish app on a smart phone is NOT a challenge to a full blown desktop office suite. To suggest that it is indicates an absolute lack of understanding of the user base and use cases for office suites.
Its not just a challenge its a threat to 60% of Microsofts Profits. Right now Android passed 1 Billion activations in September(windows is about 1.2Billion), while Microsoft thinks delaying its suite to get people to buy their OS. If you don't think its a treaty then you do not understand how people use Office.
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Right. If anything, having an MSOffice-compatible app on Android phones just deepens the entrenchment of MSOffice, ratifying it's document formats as the one and only standard. Not saying they're not already enough of a standard that it's not important to be able to work with them - just that this isn't a challenge to Office. More of a challenge to using Office as a competitive advantage for Windows phone.
All this does is check the box of being able to open and make small edits to MSO documents on your p
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War between Google and Microsoft getting hotter. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Google declined joining a patent troll shell company that is now suing their OEM partners? How terrible of them.
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Except Apple and Microsoft offered Google to join into their conglomerate, but Google declined and wanted to snatch the patents away without Apple and Microsoft.
Problem is, that wouldn't have helped them, because Apple & MS could still go after the manufacturers of Android devices, and Google could do nothing to stop it. Without hardware manufacturers Android doesn't exist, so they had to have their own to use as a defensive shield for their manufacturers.
Re: War between Google and Microsoft getting hotte (Score:5, Informative)
fosspatents is run by a Microsoft shill. I forgot his name but he admitted to being a shill after he was caught with his pants down
Florian Müller would be the name of the particular douche-nozzle in question.
Documents shared with Google? (Score:3, Interesting)
Is processing for Quickoffice done off-phone? Or, to put it another way, does Quickoffice share all of your work with Google?
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The copy I bought a few months ago wasn't connected to Google Drive, so I'm pretty sure it does its own processing and rendering. It is usable, and good in a pinch, but no replacement for a full office suite. But what do It need a full office suite on a Nexus 7 for anyways?
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Which is why the biased headline, summary and article are nonsense. This is not even going to make a dent in Office, forget about "attacking" it.
Re:Documents shared with Google? (Score:4, Informative)
Quickoffice was a document-editing program way back in the PalmOS days, and it was the only major player to make a WebOS version.
Quickoffice does not require Google Docs to work. Although it does have some features which are counter-intuitive and don't work depending on the view you're in.
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It used to be a standalone app before Google bought them, so I would guess no. But now that Google owns them, all bets are off.
Re:Documents shared with Google? (Score:5, Informative)
If you are not paying for it, you are not the customer.
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If you don't know who the idiot in the room is, you ARE the idiot.
OK with me... (Score:4, Informative)
And only being able to upgrade to win 8.1 with the market, not by windows update??? can't download the service pack to a stick??
And the switch to monthly subscription for office is a very bad thing, i hope people realize this aswell!
i hope ms get's a salted bill for all this.
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Install 8.1 from chip.de instruction [englich translation] [google.com]
But this definitly not customer friendly.
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i hope people realize this aswell!
i hope ms get's a salted bill for all this.
No caps, "aswell" and a grocer's apostrophe... what grade are you in, kid? If you're trying to look cool, you're not succeeding.
Yeah, mod me down for trying to educate someone at a nerd site...
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Then I'm sure you appreciate the information. Here's another tip: there are an awful lot of uneducated people on the internet, don't mimic them. Just do it like your teachers and books taught.
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And the switch to monthly subscription for office is a very bad thing, i hope people realize this as well!
I don't see the problem here.
Office 365 Home Premium $99/yr.
5 PCs and/or Macs + any five mobile devices + your Windows phones.
MS Office Pro, full versions of every program, locally resident and always up to date.
MS Office Anywhere, full versions of every program, streamed on demand to any Win7/8 PC.
MS Office Web and Office on Mobile Devices.
20 GB of SkyDrive Storage
60 minutes of global Skype calls per month.
If you are a college student, Office 365 University [microsoftstore.com] is $80 for four years with an option to ren
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Considering that you can get all of this for free from multiple sources for multiple platforms, the $99/year looks like a ripoff.
Some years ago Bill Gates, in a moment of wishful thinking, said that hardware was trending towards free while software was where the real money could be made.
At the time I didn't believe it and today we have a situation where most software is free (and hardware is cheap). This kind of undercuts Microsoft's business model.
I can't remember the last time I bought any software. Every
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SMS was expensive in the beginning because it used a part of the messaging protocol that was not really intended for high volume, and the telcos hadn't configured things to support it. But it beat hell out of the old text paging services.
Once the telcos figured out the demand and started configuring the hardware and software to facilitate it, the price dropped. Almost everyone just bundles unlimited messaging into their phone plan these days, don't they?
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where you have to make an account just to download the installer
You also have to have a Google account to download QuickOffice.
I smell antitrust lawsuits (Score:3, Interesting)
In many markets Google has a near monopoly position. Their global smart phone market share is around 80% and in some markets it's even higher. Bundling an office suite in order to leverage their dominant operating system is unlikely to sit well with regulators.
Re:I smell antitrust lawsuits (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't see how it could be considered antitrust to create something that competes with nothing.
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The mere bundling of Internet Explorer and latterly Windows Media Player with Windows was enough to be classed as anti trust, because MS were deemed to be trying to use a monopoly position in one market to secure a monopoly position in another market.
In this case, Google could quite easily be seen to be trying to use a dominant position in the smartphone market to extend their dominance into the mobile office app market.
and forcing OEMs, "IE cannot open Netscape.com" (Score:4, Interesting)
Bundling it where it can't be removed, preventing OEMs from installing other browsers, a patch to prevent downloading Netscape ...
Re:I smell antitrust lawsuits (Score:5, Informative)
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Not necessarily. It really depends on how they do the integration. If they set the application default behavior to always open docs with QuickOffice, then maybe. But if they leave it as an option and you have to manually select to always use QuickOffice then I would venture to guess there's virtually no chance a suit would be filed and even less of a chance of it being successful if someone does.
Ironically (Score:3)
In many markets Google has a near monopoly position. Their global smart phone market share is around 80% and in some markets it's even higher. Bundling an office suite in order to leverage their dominant operating system is unlikely to sit well with regulators.
I sure you were against the inclusion of Microsoft Office crapware with every version of its OS. I personally welcome the EU including a start screen on Desktops. Ignoring that Apple has started to bundle iwork...and Microsoft has started including crippled office with its tablets.. neither of these is available for Android. The reality is though Microsoft Office is the monopoly on Microsofts formats something they secured through buying votes in ISO. This will help stop the current compatibility tax myth.
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Even a quick and basic search of Google Play apps reveals there to be quite a number of competing products in the market. MS doesn't have one, so it clearly wouldn't have a case. The makers of Kingsoft Office and Officesuite 7 may well have a case.
Apple not MS (Score:5, Insightful)
This is more of an attack against Apple giving away the iWork package for free. MS is barely a blip on the radar.
Hardly a big deal (Score:2)
This is probably about as big a deal as Apple giving away their office suite and iLife package to new customers; nice to have, but not a decision maker.
There are so many different use cases for smartphones and I haven't personally heard any friends or colleagues saying that the ability to edit MS Office apps is anywhere near the top of the list.
For tablet devices, the situation is different and it makes sense for Google to catch up with Microsoft and Apple who already offer free versions of their office sof
quickoffice (Score:5, Informative)
Again, how is this news?
Right.
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I knew there would be at least one comment downplaying this story.
This is a tiny move on Google's part with huge ramifications.
Android has been a huge success, I read that it has something like 80% of the market share of mobile devices, but that statistic was probably made up.
When Grandma opens an email on her tablet thing that her IT grandson told her to get so that he could stop supporting her Windows computer, she's going to be opening the word attachment using Google software - and then possibly editing
Why? (Score:2)
Geez, what's going on in the world?
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Wow, those EULAs are getting tough if they require you to do that.
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Of course you won't want to create one, but you might want to read one someone sends as an email attachment.
Google are bastards (Score:2)
How has Apples iwork annouced on Slashdot "Apple Announces iCloud and iWork For iOS" http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/05/31/192223/apple-announces-icloud-and-iwork-for-ios [slashdot.org]
Is the need for such emotive language when talking about Google. Personally I welcome the new competition in the Office field if only Microsoft hadn't abusively corrupted ISO it would be as exciting as browsers are today.
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user of Android 4+ can already get Quickoffice for free through the play store. What's your point?
Google encroaching on MS is very un-ideal (Score:3)
How long would it take to have mandatory Google+ integration to use it? Thanks, but no thanks.
What happened to Google Docs/Drive? (Score:2)
Wasn't it supposed to be Google's alternative? Was it too hard to adapt to mobile?
I, for one, am not happy with the 'update' (Score:4, Informative)
I needed to view a Word document in a hurry. I got a copy of QuickOffice from Amazon when it was a free app-of-the-day last year, but opted to try Google's more recent flavor. Google insisted I logged in, and refused to do anything if I just wanted to use a Word document on my SD card. There was NO reason for this. I, for one, disapprove of this change, regardless of any of the others.
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It's not. This is simply click bait.
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It's been considered a fairly useful capability since it was on Symbian...how long ago was it on that platform?? Too long ago to remember. This is nothing new apart from it's Google and Android, and perhaps the pervasiveness of the platform.
Ah, I see it was 2005 and Google discontinued it for Symbian :
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/flow/item/18412_Quickoffice_officially_discont.php [allaboutsymbian.com]
I find this sentence in Wikipedia interesting/disappointing :
"The programs are compatible with Microsoft Office file format, but
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My SonyEricsson m600c did this back in 2006. Is this what passes for "innovation" at Google these days?
Wrong Analogy (Score:2)
I for one, welcome our new extending embracing and extinguishing Overlords.
Google would have to adopt Open Document Format and extend the specification from a monopoly position!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish [wikipedia.org] . I don't thing you understand. The worst part of this is we don't have a standard we have the mess of OOXML after Microsoft polluted the integrity of of ISO to its incredible shame. To protect 60% of its profits from its Office compatibility scam. This in someway goes to expose this scam.
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Just out of curiousity , how much does Redmond pay you per post. I'm thinking about surrendering all sense of decency or honor and astroturfing for Redmond.
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Some day you'll realize that people have different tastes and experiences.