Google Foresees Ads On Your Refrigerator, Thermostat, and Glasses 355
New submitter waspleg sends news of a letter Google sent to the Securities and Exchange Commission in which the tech giant laid out its vision of an ad-filled future. They wrote, "We expect the definition of “mobile” to continue to evolve as more and more “smart” devices gain traction in the market. For example, a few years from now, we and other companies could be serving ads and other content on refrigerators, car dashboards, thermostats, glasses, and watches, to name just a few possibilities. Our expectation is that users will be using our services and viewing our ads on an increasingly wide diversity of devices in the future, and thus our advertising systems are becoming increasingly device-agnostic."
Nope. (Score:5, Insightful)
First thing I'd do is disable networking on these devices.
Re:Nope. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Nope. (Score:4, Insightful)
Just render the ad screen unusable. Why the hell do appliances (especially a fridge) need a screen for? Oh, wait - they want us to buy a fridge every few years because of course the fridge won't work without an operative screen.
Re:Nope. (Score:5, Funny)
Just render the ad screen unusable. Why the hell do appliances (especially a fridge) need a screen for?
Exactly! The first time I saw ads on my new TV set, I smashed the screen with a baseball bat. Since then, problem solved. No more ads!
The programs suck though...
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eh, it was okay [wikipedia.org], but probably not the best. did they do a 3-d remake? what channel is it on?
Re:Nope. (Score:5, Insightful)
What does a printer need a screen for? Printers used to get by with maybe 3 LEDs for status. Anything more than that was given as status on the computer it was connected to, providing you had more than a basic driver.
But now, the cheapest sub $50 printers have screens built in. (And a scanner too)
Screens have got so cheap, there's no reason not to include them in cheap devices, if they can come up with the slightest excuse. A consumer might chose the device with the screen over one without if there's little difference in price.
And in Google's dystopia, the ones with screens could actually be cheaper, subsidised by the advertising.
The excuse they'll use to market fridges with screens will probably be some connection to home shopping. Finish the milk? Show the barcode to the built in camera, and the screen will offer the option to order another.
The camera would be more of a cause for concern, given that people aren't always dressed in the kitchen. Especially given today's news that LG are spying on consumers with their smart-TVs.
Re:Nope. (Score:5, Funny)
What does a printer need a screen for?
How else will it tell you "PC LOAD LETTER"?
Re:Nope. (Score:5, Informative)
Simple stupid inkjets plugged into one computer don't necessarily need a screen, but a good networked one does.
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Not really. My small laser printer is networked (wireless no less) and has no screen. Just status lights and a web server I can check for diagnostics. A screen would be less convenient.
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and a web server I can check for diagnostics. A screen would be less convenient.
A web server I have to check on a regular basis is much less convenient than a simple screen that anyone who walks past the printer can read and tell me about. A web server I have to check to find out why someone's printout didn't show up ("Load Tray 1 Plain Letter", e.g.) is much less convenient for everyone involved.
If you're the only user, a screen is less useful. In a multi-user environment it's almost a necessity. Especially when you're trying to set the IP address to install the printer in the first
Re:Nope. (Score:5, Informative)
I can diagnose that too.
It helps if you quote at least enough context so people know what you mean by "that".
If the browser won't connect, it's power or network. The lights let me decide which.
Yeah, the little lights will tell you that the subnet mask is set wrong, or that the IP address isn't what you thought it was, or that the HTTP port is disabled, or ...
Dana's not here, man! (Score:2)
In the grim future of Google, there are only ads [ugo.com]...
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How else will it tell you "PC LOAD LETTER"?
Exactly. Printers have had LCD readouts since around 1990, give or take. Or about 25 years.
If one tried to show me an ad, though (or even suggested it might) then that is a NEGATIVE "feature" and I would not buy it.
A refrigerator really DOESN'T need a screen. Until they become intelligent enough to know that you're getting low on eggs or whatever. And that's not today.
A thermostat doesn't need an internet connection. Google acquired NEST and plans to use it (they said so) to gather more consumer in
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So you wouldn't like to know that the temperature inside your freezer went too high and your food defrosted because your flatmate left the door open while you were away for the weekend? Or your fridge doesn't have the cooling capacity to keep the rest of your food at a safe temperature after you've put your reasonably hot bowl of jelly in it to set?
The NEST thermostat had an internet connection before Google bought them. What's changed exactly, apart from who plans to gather consumer data?
Google don't sell
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How else will it tell you "PC LOAD LETTER"?
A dirt-cheap character-based LCD display (2 lines of 28 characters) works fine for that. You can buy these ready-to-go for a couple bucks on Sparkfun or eBay, so they must cost virtually nothing when integrated into a mass-produced device made in China.
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What does a printer need a screen for?
How else will it tell you "PC LOAD LETTER"?
Sorry, the correct answer was: WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN?
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The excuse they'll use to market fridges with screens will probably be some connection to home shopping.
No, it will be for status and control settings. And that's why the idea of putting tape over the screen will not be popular.
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That's what the large size Post-It notes are for. Still, what status would I need to see from the fridge? It's running, stuff is cold, that's pretty much all the information that I need from my refrigerator and I get that now when I take something out. The last time that I adjusted the controls on the thing was about six weeks after we got it, and I haven't touched them in the ten years since. I adjust the thermostat programming about twice a year, and anything else on the car's dashboard that's flashin
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Don't mind me then, I'll get off your lawn.
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So I can make changes to the setting from the printer instead of my computer?
Re:Nope. (Score:5, Insightful)
Even better, buy a fridge that doesn't have a screen. Kitchen appliances are going on 60 years without requiring screens, Internet connectivity, or some companies to push ads to them for basic functioning. We don't need them now.
If one wants to pay for a better refrigerator, doesn't mind venting it, and has either propane or natural gas, buy a two-way (gas/electric) fridge. That way, your stuff stays cold even if there is a multi-day power outage. That is far more useful in the long run than any electronic doodads. If one really wants a screen on the fridge, a low-end Android tablet is a couple C-notes, and $5 gets you a roll of double-sided tape.
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Why the hell do appliances (especially a fridge) need a screen for?
To remind you to buy more Brawndo.
BRAWNDO! It's got electrolytes!
What is it then? (Score:5, Funny)
What is Glass with networking disabled? Just a device to trick people into punching you for no reason?
Re:What is it then? (Score:5, Funny)
I was with you up to "no reason".
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My kingdom for a mod point!
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First thing I'd do is disable networking on these devices.
Something like Google's Nest becomes mostly useless without networking.
At that point, why even buy the Google product?
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Re:Nope. (Score:5, Funny)
Your drone strike will start after this brief advertisement.
Impossible (Score:5, Funny)
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Easy. [privoxy.org]
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Easy. [privoxy.org]
Or use dnsmasq [adafruit.com].
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Yeah, but every time you try to edit the hosts file your ice cream ends up melting.
a future filled with black tape (Score:5, Funny)
I foresee a future in which black tape or other opaque adhesive objects will be used to blot out the ads. Maybe I should get a patent..
"a device which obscures the user from seeing mind-numbing and intrusive advertising on products which have already purchased"
Google can shove their ad-laden future straight up their collective asses.
Re:a future filled with black tape (Score:4, Insightful)
Wait until they scan your behavior and lower the temperature until you remove the black tape.
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news at 11. (Score:2)
Publicly-traded technical advertising company announces expectation of profit in advertising on tech devices. Stop the presses.
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Publicly-traded technical advertising company announces expectation of profit in advertising on tech devices. Stop the presses.
Much of Slashdot (and others) still seems to have a problem recognizing that Google is an advertising company. All their cool stuff is to support this core business.
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huh? their shareholders and regulators seem to understand just fine, as suggested by the cited SEC filing.
No. (Score:2)
No. Thank. You. Why is this now the default instead of delivering a device that just works without the internet?
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A different race to the bottom (Score:5, Insightful)
If adverts get that pervasive, the value of each one is going to decline substantially. If I see 40 adverts before breakfast, I can't possibly buy each and every one of the products. There's only so much disposable income. If this gets pushed out, it's going to be self defeating.
Re:A different race to the bottom (Score:5, Insightful)
We passed that point decades ago.
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If adverts get that pervasive, the value of each one is going to decline substantially. If I see 40 adverts before breakfast, I can't possibly buy each and every one of the products.
The purpose of most advertising (infomercials and other "call now" ads excepted) is not to get you to immediately pick up the phone and buy. It's to keep the name in your mind so when you do make a buying decision you'll be influenced. Nobody runs out and buys a Twix when they see the Twix left/right ads, but when they are in the store and the see a Twix display, they remember "those are the ones with the cute ads, maybe I'll try one."
If this gets pushed out, it's going to be self defeating.
No, it will be a feeding frenzy as everyone jumps on the bandwagon to c
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LOL, you're so naive. Of course "consumers" can continually increase spending on useless shit; that's why average household debt [wikipedia.org] grew from 70% of disposable income in 1980 to 130% of it in 2008!
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Oh, there's so, so much further that advertising can go:
http://www.lightspeedmagazine.... [lightspeedmagazine.com]
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While likely not 40, there's a decent chance you already see maybe a dozen ads before breakfast. That cereal box? Plastered in ads on the back for their other products. Load a website? Ads. Turn on the TV? Ads. Newspaper? Ads. Pick up a book for some light reading? Ads on the jacket cover, ads before the prologue, ads in the last few pages, and quite possibly subtle ads in the text itself. Play a mobile game? Ads.
They're already pervasive. The point of putting them in new places is that even if the value of
Aaarrgh! (Score:2)
The ads! I can't get them out of my head! Even when I close my eyes they're there! Why did I buy Google Contact Lenses?!?
It looks like you're about to have sex! (Score:2, Funny)
Would you like me to order some cigarettes and a pregnancy test for you?
And I foresee using less Google (Score:2, Offtopic)
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I started moving away from Google about a year ago for this very reason.
My work email is still a Google Apps for Education based, since our university basically wants everyone either there or on Microsoft's cloud (which UW has managed to muck up, so it's not a great option). But my personal email is not. I do miss Google's spam filtering, which is darn good; but using an email client again has made me realize just how mediocre Gmail's interface is overall.
How about 'aww hell no'? (Score:2)
Between electrical tape, spraypaint, and maybe a bit of glass etching (when more polite flavors of disconnecting or firmware modification don't suffice) I see no reason for anything that doesn't need a screen to remain equipped with one.
better question... (Score:5, Interesting)
...would you be willing to receive a brand new $2000 frig/freezer for free IF it showed ads on it?
that's the real issue...i think alot of people would...hell I probably would.
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A lot depends on the ads. I got a reduced price on my Kindle with ads, and I have no problem with them. OTOH, if they were anything like TV ads, or the more annoying internet ads, I'd gladly pay the $2K to get rid of them.
Re:better question... (Score:4, Insightful)
If enough people do take that tradeoff, eventually you won't ever be able to buy an ad free Fridge for $2000 because they'll stop making them.
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We have a winner! Because I can't see anyone paying big bucks for a fridge that annoys the crap out of them.
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Of course, how hard would it to paste a piece of cardboard over the display (in case the user interface is only accessible from the screen ads are shown on, instead of, say, paint) and tear out the speakers? Now you've got a free refrigerator.
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I doubt that will ever happen. There were companies that tried giving away low-end Compaq PCs, provided they display ads on them, but that business model flopped.
In reality, the $2000 fridge/freezer will come with ads, like it or not, and the only way to get one without ads is to buy a model without a screen or put it on a VLAN that blocks by IP address... and even then, the fridge will just show what was in the cache last... or perhaps even stop working until it can successfully phone home (similar to the
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Hell yeah. Run ads on my washer and dryer too if it means they are cheap/free. Its the same idea as free apps but free appliances are actually useful.
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...would you be willing to receive a brand new $2000 frig/freezer for free IF it showed ads on it?
Can I tape a piece of paper over the screen? Perhaps a piece of paper with a nice photo on it?
Just one detail they've overlooked (Score:2)
As far as the automotive portion of this, they've overlooked a pretty critical detail: With the exception of navigation and car-control, the driver cannot be in a position to view moving video or flashy graphics--it's explicitly illegal to design a car in such a way that such garish distraction could catch the driver's eye at a critical moment.
As for the rest: I know of few people that would do anything other than smash the screen out of a refrigerator that was blaring ads at them every time they walked pas
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As far as the automotive portion of this, they've overlooked a pretty critical detail: With the exception of navigation and car-control, the driver cannot be in a position to view moving video or flashy graphics--it's explicitly illegal to design a car in such a way that such garish distraction could catch the driver's eye at a critical moment.
And now the reason for the autonomous car research by Google is revealed. Somehow, I suspect that the laws prohibiting moving video and flashy graphics will go away, or stop being enforced once autonomous vehicles are common place.
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As far as the automotive portion of this, they've overlooked a pretty critical detail: With the exception of navigation and car-control, the driver cannot be in a position to view moving video or flashy graphics--it's explicitly illegal to design a car in such a way that such garish distraction could catch the driver's eye at a critical moment.
And now the reason for the autonomous car research by Google is revealed. Somehow, I suspect that the laws prohibiting moving video and flashy graphics will go away, or stop being enforced once autonomous vehicles are common place.
You may be right, since by definition that person isn't "driving" anymore in his robot-car.
But since the other side of the robot-car equation is that most people won't own their own cars anymore because it would be essentially unnecessary, cars would become a much more communal resource--more like a taxicab that everybody owns. But unlike a taxicab, passengers are likely to be alone in the cars frequently, so it wouldn't surprise me if advertisement surfaces were regularly vandalized.
And if that means nobod
ads in car (Score:2)
Are you sure they have overlooked this? I think the words "google" and "car" and "driver" have been used in a lot of sentences over the last few years, especially with the word "driver" modified.
Make no mistake, there really is a vision here, and it's pretty damn clever (even if it's also insideous and horrible). Outside of dense areas with usable public transportation, a lot of "eye hours" are being "wasted" every day
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Are you sure they have overlooked this? I think the words "google" and "car" and "driver" have been used in a lot of sentences over the last few years, especially with the word "driver" modified.
They have a vision, all right: About annoying human beings with advertisements at every waking moment. The part I suggested they were overlooking was the part where it is, at present, illegal to do what they're talking about doing. Yes, of course, they're google and they have scads of money to buy whatever laws they want, but I mean today.
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And it is still working. As for the car, what about the car navigation voice telling you that you are nearing a burger drive-thru because it knows its time for you to be hungry again (it also know that you likely are hungover from activities day before and your Google searches...) and that you love your burgers..
For now, because there are so many of us old-fogeys from a time before advertisement skipping was possible/easily accessible to the masses.
Once we die off the advertisers are in for a world of shock: Young people do not tolerate advertisements. Without exception, NONE of the people I know under the age of 25 listen to the radio (and thus radio commercials) in their car, despite the fact that an overwhelming majority of older people still do. Among that group, also, most won't watch TV without having the sho
I foresse a world (Score:4, Interesting)
Yes, I see where they would want that.
Yes, I see how looking at facebook et al. makes people think that privacy is dead.
I also realize that we are still in the infancy of the internet revolution and you can't project current uses forward, but instead must realize that the tide will turn against them.
We are currently in the pre-OSHA stage of the Internet Revolution.
Just as people had to fight for safety and work limits during the industrial revolution, we will end up stopping people from abusing our privacy. It just takes a little bit of time for the regulations to catch up.
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You play GURPSs. Any opinion you have is therefor useless, if not just plain wrong.
Colonoscopy (Score:2)
New! (Score:2)
New! Google Watch!
It can't tell you the time, but it monitors everything you do.
Mike Judge is a prophet (Score:4, Insightful)
Just watch Idiocracy
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I took it as the natural progression of current trends.. more of a commentary on current society.
Does anyone look at ads anyway? (Score:2)
I have script and ad blocks and bogus host file entries to speed up browsing but can honestly say I don't pay attention to ads when they get through, When looking for something to buy I do the search and find it hard to believe unsolicited ads bring in any customers.
Are there really people who click through and buy something because an ad says they need it?
The more they advertise, the more I ignore (Score:5, Insightful)
I think advertisers are shooting themselves in the foot with this, I have recently noticed just don't believe a word any of them say anymore, Its like I am building up an immunity to them, and they need to create bigger and bigger lies, ops I mean deceptions.
Before I saw a sale advertised as "Demolition", I went in and it was 10% off, well I could negotiate that any time, hardly a demolition sale, now I just don't even bother going in. If I need something I go in sure, but I don't go in because of a sale or stated discount, because they are so likely to be lying that it is not even worth the effort step inside the shop to find out.
My daughter asked me how much I believed the advertisements on TV, and I said not at all, I then started paying attention to the ads and rating if I believed them, and if i thought they where using hiding some important fact from me. The answer was unless it was a public service ad where they where not trying to sell me something, like don't speed, I didn't believe them at all. And even public service advertisements I think they are fudging the truth in order for them to get me to do what they think is best for me.
What we need to do is start charging to be advertised to, I think this specifically applies to junk mail, which goes directly in the bin, since I have to pay to dispose of it.
Re:The more they advertise, the more I ignore (Score:5, Interesting)
What! (Score:4, Funny)
There's no way I'm going to accept advertising on my souvenir Iron Man 3 soda cup!
Social collapse at Google? (Score:3)
In the beginning, Google benefitted the world. (Score:3)
Remember the abusive Hotmail? Gmail is far better than any other email service, in my opinion.
In the beginning, Google was not so adversarial to customers. In the beginning, Google was the best at what it did.
I've thought about and studied the phenomenon of companies slowly degrading for decades. Hewlett-Packard was already going downhill in the 1970s; the company
we were warned (Score:2)
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We should be making money from this (Score:2)
Think about it. Maybe a national grocery store chain or two and GE want to get together and offer a subsidised smart fridge. I agree to let them monetize my spending habits and food preferences in exchange for the fridge being subsidised somewhat and targeted discounts for w
Great... (Score:2)
then Google can start collecting information on how often I open my fridge and then cross reference that with information from the supermarket (captured on those "loyalty" cards) that tells them the types of food I buy. From that they will determine that my diet is too high in trans fats and immediately notify every insurance company on earth to NOT sell me an insurance policy because of my poor dietary habits.
Do no evil my ass. I don't trust any of those Google pricks with my information. Same goes for Fac
pwn to own=new normal? (Score:2)
I for one simply cannot wait to do the same to my new car/refrigerator/thermostat. In the meantime, one alternate plan that's worked very well so far is to not buy any new cars or refrigerators or $200 learning thermostats.
Next... (Score:3)
Oh, great. Next thing you know, you'll be paying extra for absolutely worthless components added to appliances, just so it can sell you more junk. You'll end up buying a refrigerator with built-in temperature and humidity sensors. Why? Just so your fridge can tell you you need to buy a humidifier every winter, and try to get you to buy a central air conditioner every summer day you walk into the kitchen. Temp sensor go bad? Oh, don't worry--if you don't fix it, it'll just bug you that you need to get a new furnace every winter day until you get it fixed.
Google, fuck you. And no thanks, you keep your ads away from my fucking appliances.
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Back when I was a mere tike, viewing TV with the family, I was struck at just how attached my parents were to the advertisements. They would not tolerate something as mild as lowering the volume; they would obediently stare at & absorb that mental trash. I can easily imagine your scene playing out in their living rooms today.
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really? sheesh. In 1975 I built a device that shut the volume off the TV is the gain got too high. My parents loved it. Never did get find all the screws afterwords.
I should have patented it, but what do 11 year olds know?
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My wife and I occasionally like suggesting alternative dialog for the ads. I doubt the advertisers would enjoy my alternative slogans and dialog.
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Really? When I was a kid commercials were time to run to the bathroom, get something to eat, let the dog out, etc. I even remember when they were far enough apart that you'd sometimes be waiting for one because you really had to go. And short enough that you'd have to go fast.
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I've told him I can turn the ads off (you just disable Viera Connect and they go away) but he won't have any part of it.
Last night I was on a United flight with the fancy new DirectTV in-seat entertainment system. The one that costs $8 for any flight over 2 hours. The one that has absolutely NO free entertainment options, not even the "From the Cockpit" audio that United hypes. The one that couldn't be turned off until after takeoff, and then turned itself back on at apparently random times.
All it had, for those who didn't pay, was endless ads trying to get people to pay, and some ads trying to sell ads on the system.
And
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Carry electrical tape, adhere improvised cover to screen. Problem solved.
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Yet another reason I always travel with a note pad, a sheet of paper fits nicely between the screen and the frame. Fatherland Security would probably take away your electrical tape, since you might attack the flight crew with it. And yet another reason that I won't fly United again for a very long time. (The last two times I flew Untied they changed our return flights, sending my wife and I on entirely different routes, and it cost us $600+ each time to both get on the same flight again.)
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And some people spent the entire four hour flight in a darkened cabin with this glowing LCD playing advertising a foot away from their faces. Simply incomprehensible.
The optimist in me, weakened and and near death though he may be, feels compelled to chime in with "don't bitch, usually they charge for reading lights!"
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"If my fridge is smart enough to know what's in it ... Might help with the "What do you want for dinner tonight? I dunno, what do you want?" conversation that happens on a nightly basis."
Remember, it's 'smart'.
"Open the door, Fridge!"
"I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that. It's 2 o'clock in the morning, fatso, no ice-creme and Vodka for you!"
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Vodka milkshake? That never occurred to me before, I'll have to try that tonight. Thanks!
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Vodka milkshake? That never occurred to me before, I'll have to try that tonight. Thanks!
If you think that's good, try adding a shot of espresso, chocolate syrup and a Xanax.
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Might help with the "What do you want for dinner tonight? I dunno, what do you want?" conversation that happens on a nightly basis.
In my experience, so does maturity, which does not come at a price premium.
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Please explain how recognizing where the market is going and telling the SEC is evil?
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Did they say they were going to wire your eyes open and give you the AdSence Ludovico treatment? No, they are giving people the option to reduce the price of an appliance by having ads show up on it. If there is an option to buy full price with ads disabled (like most ad revenue based apps) then what's so evil about it?