A New Homegrown OS For China Could Arrive By October 93
According to a Reuters report, China could have a new homegrown operating system by October to take on imported rivals such as Microsoft Corp, Google Inc and Apple Inc, Xinhua news agency said on Sunday. Computer technology became an area of tension between China and the United States after a number of run-ins over cyber security. China is now looking to help its domestic industry catch up with imported systems such as Microsoft's Windows and Google's mobile operating system Android. The operating system would first appear on desktop devices and later extend to smartphone and other mobile devices, Xinhua said, citing Ni Guangnan who heads an official OS development alliance established in March. It would make sense for even a "homegrown" operating system to be based on existing ones, in the way Red Flag Linux is. Conceptually related: Earlier this year, Chinese company Coship Electronics announced (and demonstrated) a mobile OS called 960 OS.
i'm thinking yet another linux distro (Score:4, Insightful)
that'll be abandoned in 2-3 years.
Just what we need, more fragmentation. And zero innovation.
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Many new OS from East Asian Nations (Score:2, Interesting)
You will be surprised to know how many new OS are being brewed in East Asian Nations such as Japan, Korea and China
Some of them are based on Linux, yes, but there are others which are not based on Linux
In Korea and in Japan there are separate efforts to upgrade and extend the Plan-9 OS, for example
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Tizen is a Linux-based OS. He is talkin about non Linux-based OSes. There is Plan-9, also the japanese have iTron.
And obviously there are a lot of other non mainstream kernels like L4, Minix, Infinity, Inferno, etc...
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Much better to have just one choice and force everyone to use it.
Easier to maintain.
Easier to patch.
Easier to harvest data.
Easier to write malware for.
Easier to infiltrate.
Easier to monitor.
For the users... not so great.
Re:i'm thinking yet another linux distro (Score:4, Insightful)
What we need is... (Score:1)
What we need is... (Score:1)
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You mean if they manage to do something useful. I'm not sure they can best the existing technologies.
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If it's not fun for the Chinese, it's not fun for all the developers & maintenance programmers who have to fix, support & enhance all that shit.
Chinese programming language (Score:1)
When they come up with the first Chinese programming language, they'll either leave the west in the dust or tangle themselves up for good. Say what you will about unicode domains, but without a common language, the world will always descend into us vs. them.
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From experience, it is usually enough to have the comments and the variable names in a foreign language you don't understand to make source code completely unreadable.
Chinese programming language (Score:2)
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Do you think that your carefully crafted arguments convinced him, or anybody? (Outside of 4chan)
Apparently anybody that disagrees with you is a fool, liar, and a paid stooge of ${ORG}.
Linux would be better off if it had fewer poison pen advocates like you.
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So we can thank you for the success of the Linux desktop then? Fine.
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I gave up Windows at home a year or so ago. I use RHEL6 on the desktop, though I'll bet Ubuntu is a smoother "consumer" experience. My main problems are not "bugs" - and of course Windows is far from bug-free - it's that Open Office (and the various permutations) simply doesn't stand up to Microsoft Office, but fortunatly I don't use it that much at home. I'm not a "gamer", but it seems to me, that's one of the big hold-backs for the Linux desktop.
At work, it's still Office, mostly for Excel and Outlook.
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Most people don't need more functionality than Libre Office can provide.
People keep saying that, but I don't know very many of these "most people", and believe my, most of the people I associate with are not "IT professionals". Many "regular people" use Excel for more than you might think, and Libre Office Calc simply does not cut it. Also I think this "most people don't need more than Libre Office" sets a pretty low bar. Yes, you can get by with Libre Office if what you mostly do is write letters to the home owners association... Much more than that, and "most people" are goin
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The fact that you think most people even know what a spreadsheet is tells me that you have no idea how most people use a computer.
It's increadible that you would say such a thing. You either have a very low opinion of "most people", or are an out of touch eletist.
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What an obnoxious thing to say. You confirm that you are an elitist asshole.
Whatever...
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Kde, gnome, mate, cinnamon, lxde, xfce are freaking damn buggy as hell from crashing, to buttons not working when clicking on them, freezing, icons disappearing. It doesn't mean this buggy shit happens everyday or every week it just creeps up unexpectedly.
Yes, that pretty much sums up what I meant when I said above "another crusty Linux distro coming up".
The weird little glitches that pop up on Linux desktop are the thing that get me.
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China Has Been Trying To Dump Windows for Years (Score:5, Interesting)
Information Warfare: Running For Linux January 9, 2011 [strategypage.com]
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If I lived in China, I would not want to use software sponsored by the Chinese government. Yes, Windows could well have CIA backdoors, but if I lived in China that would worry me less.
heard this for years now (Score:4, Informative)
I've heard variations of this story come up on slashdot since I started reading back in 2000. It seems like China is always starting some government mandated homegrown operating system... None of them ever seem to become successful. Here is what I could find just on the first page of a google search:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/01/17/194245/chinas-government-unveils-china-operating-system-to-great-skepticism
http://linux-beta.slashdot.org/story/99/11/10/1457205/linux-to-be-official-os-of-peoples-republic-of-china
http://beta.slashdot.org/submission/3273261/china-gets-government-backed-operating-system-cos
http://bsd-beta.slashdot.org/submission/1010903/china-chooses-freebsd-as-basis-for-secure-os
http://beta.slashdot.org/submission/3279227/china-shows-off-its-own-smartphone-operating-system
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/08/12/03/2033243/red-flag-linux-forced-on-chinese-internet-cafes
Piracy will kill it (but not in the way you think) (Score:2)
No, the Chinese government would probably WELCOME piracy of their O.S. because it would mean that their backdoored (it that a word?) O.S. was spreading even beyond what they hoped for.
The problem is that very few software companies like Microsoft would write applications for it knowing that the number of actual PAYING customers in China will be few. I think I read somewhere that a Microsoft exec. said they made more money in the Netherlands than in all of China because of piracy. The simple business analys
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You're all flaming enthusiasm, aren't you? You mention compatibility problems as the main reason why we should expect this to fail - but, as someone who has worked with cross platform development, I know that this is only a small problem. It is perfectly possible - easy, even - to write portable code, certainly on the back-end of an application; I have done so across all UNIXes, Linuxes, Windows, and even z/OS, VMS and MPE/iX. The only problems arise at the front-end, but with proper engineering, it is not
Just another Linux distrubution (Score:4, Interesting)
GNU/Linux needs investment, auditing, etc (Score:2, Interesting)
It's not enough to simply put out a distribution. We need useful code that runs on it, new features (or better yet- improvements on the code itself, ie bugs fixes, etc).
However the problem isn't entirely the OS, but a lack of auditing. While insanely expensive every piece of non-complex code aught to have two eyes on it at all times and more complex code should have dozens.
Then we need good solid default security policies for different audiences that are easy to apply and separation of concerns. If we're co
China is the largest market (Score:4, Interesting)
Our economic might blinds us to the realities of the actual world and that perhaps is the most dangerous flaw in American culture. Remember the ancient Egyptians, the ancient Greeks (both civilizations), the Romans, the Ottomans? (There is a similar litany for homegrown emperors in China, also, but no one talks about it.)
Chinese control from center is fatal flaw (Score:4, Interesting)
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China is no more "controlled from the center" than any other government-run country. They have local governments and bureaucrats, they have fiefdom cities, they have states/provinces. As with any other country, there is a hierarchy of management.
And unlike the communist days, there is little to no "central management" of resources in China any more, other than the government investing in large projects that would be studied to death and never approved here in North America.
People just seem to love ba
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finishing an OS (Score:2)
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If it's supposed to be available in October, that sort of implies that they've been beta testing for a year, now.
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The issue is device drivers (Score:1)
I can believe that one motivated guy, or a small team of guys could write a workable operating system kernel from scratch in the time span of 2-3 years. And the Chinese government could require that applications be written for it.
The GUI layer is tougher, but maybe they could adapt Qt for it.
But what about device drivers? Unless they're using one of the existing standards, i.e. Windows, Linux, or BSD/OS X, then it's going to be a bear convincing vendors to write drivers for their new OS. Not good enough
Why Bother? (Score:5, Funny)
From the lead article:
"In May, China banned government use of Windows 8, Microsoft's latest operating system"
It seems to be a needless gesture. Even in the US, no one uses Windows 8.
Why Bother? (Score:1)
KDE German. Linux Finn. (Score:1)
It is a very critical time for China and the world (Score:1)
I am a Chinese working as a China analyst at a think tank. It is becoming more and more apparent to many people, that the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) knows it is on its last straw of survival.
The party is facing severe and increasing systematic stress on all fronts:
1. Increasing external oppositions from all other countries in the world including all of China's neighbours. They are forming more and more alliances and becoming more outspoken with rising strengths against China, in addition to increa
Might be a good opportunity for Linux community (Score:1)
new platform (Score:1)
QQ in Linux (Score:1)