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Google Announces Motorola-Made Nexus 6 and HTC-Made Nexus 9 201

An anonymous reader writes In addition to Android 5.0 Lollipop, Google today also announced the first devices running the new version of its mobile operating system: the Nexus 6 and the Nexus 9. The former is a phablet built by Motorola, and the latter is a tablet built by HTC. The Nexus 6 is going up for pre-order on October 29, starting at $649. The Nexus 9 meanwhile is going up for pre-order this Friday (October 17), and you'll also be able to get it in stores on November 3.
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Google Announces Motorola-Made Nexus 6 and HTC-Made Nexus 9

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  • Meh (Score:5, Insightful)

    by blackomegax ( 807080 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @01:40PM (#48152571) Journal
    Wake me up when there's a small one for $350 again.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Stargoat ( 658863 )

      I think that NVidia has a pretty good one for 299. The Tablet Shield. [techcrunch.com]

    • Re:Meh (Score:5, Informative)

      by stdarg ( 456557 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @01:44PM (#48152617)

      Google has arranged a release with 5 major US carriers simultaneously -- Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular. They will be available under contract at a big discount (up front cost $50 or so instead of $650). The carriers probably put pressure on Google to keep the unlocked price high so we perceive a value to the contract.

      • Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Miamicanes ( 730264 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @03:36PM (#48153785)

        In other words, AT&T and Verizon will sell crippled, ruined, defective-by-design phones with locked bootloaders masquerading as real "Nexus" devices, tainting the brand name as badly as Verizon's Galaxy Nexus did. :-(

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Google's doing a fine job on it's own, I'm still pissed that my microSD card is virtually worthless as most apps are no longer allowed to use it. I bought a beefy card because a couple of apps needed a large amount of space only to discover that they couldn't be moved nor could they be made to use the space on the card for their cache files. What's more, none of the apps that move things to the card work.

          Considering that the phone has a microSD card slot, I shouldn't have to look up whether or not the curre

    • Re:Meh (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Amnenth ( 698898 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @01:54PM (#48152735)

      The page that the Nexus 6 [google.com] is presented on still has a link to the Nexus 5 [google.com]. My personal theory at this time (unproven) is that they're keeping the Nexus 5 around as their lower-end model, since they don't have anything to replace its price point with. Hell, the Nexus 5 page now shows the device running Android L (Lollipop.)

      • Re:Meh (Score:4, Interesting)

        by erice ( 13380 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:13PM (#48152911) Homepage

        The page that the Nexus 6 [google.com] is presented on still has a link to the Nexus 5 [google.com]. My personal theory at this time (unproven) is that they're keeping the Nexus 5 around as their lower-end model, since they don't have anything to replace its price point with. Hell, the Nexus 5 page now shows the device running Android L (Lollipop.)

        While the Nexus 5 is not as enormous as the Nexus 6, it is anything but small.

        Which is the chief problem with the various "mini" models available today. Not a one is actually a small, well featured phone. They are simply old and/or reduced spec phones every bit as big as the first wave of large phones.

        • Re:Meh (Score:4, Informative)

          by sasparillascott ( 1267058 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:39PM (#48153209)
          You are correct, except the Sony Z3 compact (they put the high end stuff in a smaller design):

          http://arstechnica.com/gadgets... [arstechnica.com]

          We just have to wait and see if we can actually buy it.
          • It's available in Europe and seems to be selling pretty well on Amazon UK right now. I don't know why Sony ignores the US ...

            If I was looking for a phone right now I'd be seriously considering the Z3 compact. Seems pretty much the perfect size to me, and the battery life is insane [theverge.com].

          • Re:Meh (Score:4, Informative)

            by Miamicanes ( 730264 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @03:49PM (#48153895)

            Huge warning about the Z3 -- Sony implemented a chunk of the camera firmware in a way that causes it to be crippled forever if you unlock the bootloader... and as of at least a few days ago, there was no root exploit that didn't depend upon having an unlocked bootloader. There probably will be one eventually... but you might be waiting a LONG time to get it. Ask yourself whether you'll still be happy with the phone if you end up not being able to root it for months (or ever), and if you'll still be satisfied with it if the low-light performance goes to hell as a consequence of unlocking the bootloader.

            Put another way, don't buy a Z3 unless you know beyond doubt there's a working root exploit for it that doesn't require an unlocked bootloader, and make equally sure that the phone you're buying has a ROM that hasn't slammed the door and locked out that root method. You'll still lose a chunk of the camera's functionality for the duration of your use of a custom ROM, but at least you'll preserve the ability to restore the phone back to stock at some future time if desired.

          • by erice ( 13380 )

            The Z3 Compact is no exception. It has a 4.6" screen, making it much closer in size to to the 4.95" Nexus 5 than the 3.5" Iphone 4 that is the usual benchmark for a small phone. It also has a screen resolution of 720 x 1280 pixels. That's not bad but it is definitely cut down from the 1080 x 1920 pixels of the full size Z3.

            The other mini's are worse, of course, but the Z3 Compact is the not the savior of small phone aficionados.

        • I am quite happy with my Nexus 4. I could have maybe dealt with the 5 but surely the 6 is more than what is going to fit in my shirt pocket.

          • by Paco103 ( 758133 )

            Amen, even my Nexus 4 is bigger than I really want. Honestly I might even tolerate the size, but that price is absolutely ridiculous, going from a $300+ phone to a $600+ phone, and they STILL didn't include a damn SD Card slot? Sorry Google, hope this goes well for you but I will not touch this piece of junk. Maybe I'll try the OnePlus One, the FairPhone, or hopefully some other compact and unlocked phone will come out in the future.

            Luckily for me, the specs of my Nexus 4 are still more than enough to ru

    • Re:Meh (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Scot Seese ( 137975 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:14PM (#48152921)

      Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?

      Google doesn't understand hardware.

      • Re:Meh (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Nemyst ( 1383049 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:41PM (#48153219) Homepage
        Yeah, they totally aren't [engadget.com] seeing a successful trend and following it.
      • Re:Meh (Score:5, Insightful)

        by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:44PM (#48153251) Journal

        Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?

        Google doesn't understand what I want in hardware.

        FTFY.

      • Why couldn't they have hit the sweet spot - 5", 1080p, and focused on camera quality & battery life?

        They already did that with the Moto G2.

        • And the Nexus 5.
        • The 2nd gen Moto G isn't 1080p, and it's not exactly a flagship phone performance-wise (although it's very nice). Thankfully, it looks as though Google is keeping the N5 around for another year ...

      • by geekoid ( 135745 )

        Of course they do. You just don't understand the market.

        • I'm not so sure there's a big market for 6" phablets yet -- that's going into uncharted territory, somewhere not even Samsung dared to go (this year's Note 4 has the same screen size as last year's Note 3, at 5.7"). At some point, phones are simply going to get too big for people, and this phone is going to be very hard to fit in a pocket or use one-handed.

          It's also worth pointing out that Google's previous Nexii have had very mixed success sales-wise, so I'm not sure you can really assume that they've got

    • by Tailhook ( 98486 )

      Yep. They've pretty much ruined the Google phone formula with this overpriced phablet.

      5", 1080p, 2+GB RAM and enough CPU to make the browser work properly. That's all the phone I care to suffer.

    • Re:Meh (Score:5, Informative)

      by DougDot ( 966387 ) <dougr@parrot-farm.net> on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:57PM (#48153383) Homepage

      Here ya go: http://oneplus.net/ [oneplus.net]

    • Seriously the draw of the Nexus 5 was the not quite top line features but HALF the damned price.

      So they take that and make the 6 cost double and close to iPhone/Samsung territory?

      So much for that...
  • Nexus 6 (Score:5, Funny)

    by Krymzn ( 1812686 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @01:43PM (#48152599)
    I though Tyrell made the Nexus 6?
    • All those... moments... will be lost in time, like [small cough] tears... in... rain.

      Time... to die...
    • The Thing is, there was a problem with those models, someone in engineering called Annie made a mistake in a background routine that caused the OS to keep trying to phone home to keep in touch with a Master Control Program, causing the Wrath of Google who were afraid the whole thing would end up on Conan so they pulled the whole thing from the shelves before someone drew First Blood.

      So now we have Nexus 6: The Sequel.

  • My Note 2 is at the edge of discomfort already. I'm not going to buy a Fanny pack. Hrm.. maybe JNCO can stage a come-back with Phablet pocket bags.

  • Please oh please may that term die a quick painless death.

  • by vivek7006 ( 585218 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:00PM (#48152795) Homepage
    And it is powered by an Intel chip. Interesting that Google decided to go with Intel 64-bit SoC instead of ARM. This is a big win for Intel
    • Why is it a big win for Intel? Regardless of how cool it is (and I think it's cool, and am maybe considering getting one -- especially if I can put normal Linux on it), Google isn't going to sell enough of them for anybody to care.

      (I know this because no Nexus devices sell well enough for anybody to care... even things as comprehensively awesome as the Nexus 5 aren't marketed well enough to the dumb [m]asses to outsell the contract-carrier schmuck-phones like the Galaxy Note and iPhone.)

      • I agree, Google isn't going to sell enough. But still its a big deal for Intel, since they have struggled to put their SoC in big name products. They are making progress in tablet space, but this Nexus win adds credibility to Intel's SoC roadmap
      • by ADRA ( 37398 )

        Yes, because nobody bought chromecasts or chomrbooks either, so who give a whack?

    • by Nemyst ( 1383049 )
      I'm not sure I'd call it a "big" win - this is still a pretty niche product. I'd say this might be Google testing the waters with x86 to see what'll happen.
    • Do we know it's 64-bit? Some Atoms are artificially crippled to 32-bit-only.

      • I suspect it's the Z3560. If I were you I'd be less worried about the bitedness and more worried about the graphics drivers if you wanted to run Linux on this thing. Intel chips with PowerVR graphics have had a terrible track record (compared to Intel chips with in-house graphics).
  • I decided to give the Nexus 5 Google Play Edition a chance. It was a (relatively) decent price, decent kit, and a nice screen. It didn't have as many features as the latest Galaxy but it was still quite good. And I was digging the latest Android screenshots so I got it shortly after release.

    It had a major Microphone bug.

    It didn't matter where I held it, but the mic would sometimes die out and nobody could hear me. At all. I eventually left myself a voicemail at work and could BARELY hear myself.

    I wasn'

    • LG messed up the 7 too. I read somewhere that it's battery issues may be tied to the substandard wiring people were observing, when they took the unit apart. I have much better luck with the 10.

    • by Nemyst ( 1383049 )
      So... you had a defective unit and, instead of doing the logical consumer thing and sending it in for a warranty-covered repair, you decided to keep it, problems and all, and then complain about it on internet forums.

      That sounds smart.
    • I assume you had it replaced free-of-charge under warranty, and ended up with a perfectly good replacement? Google are very good with replacing Nexus phones bought through the play store -- you get sent a replacement phone before you ship your old phone off.

      And if you didn't, you're still at least two weeks within the warranty period ... it's not too late :)

  • by Maltheus ( 248271 ) on Wednesday October 15, 2014 @02:13PM (#48152913)

    I have the 4, the 7 (2nd gen) and the 10. The Nexus 10 is the best smart anything I ever bought. Good speakers and nice sized screen. I can go a couple weeks between recharges. That should have been their flagship product.

    I thought the 7, despite all the stellar reviews was garbage. Crummy battery life makes it unusable. I might get a day or two on this. The random reboots don't help either.

    I have pretty much the exact same software on both, except that I confine my video watching to the 10. I'm lucky if I can even check my twitter feed on the 7, without having to plug it in everyday.

    I don't see the point of the 9. A 7 is about the best you can comfortably manage with one hand. If you have to use two anyway, then they should have just moved up to an 11 or a 12.

  • This may be the only time android users can experience a 69! Well, outside a LUG, that is.
  • Stay away from the Nexus 6 -- its a killer.
  • HTC (Score:2, Insightful)

    by gatzke ( 2977 )

    HTC made some great stuff. Many times in the last weeks I have been asked how I like my new iPhone. I have a two-year old HTC One (m7).

    But my old phone still has higher resolution than the brand new 6, higher DPI, more RAM, and working NFC. I assume the HTC One m8 is even better now, with a new version coming out soon.

    I hope the 9 is great and gets HTC running full steam again.

  • Google decided to compete with Apple for the stupid people it seems.

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