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Barometers In iPhones Mean More Crowdsourcing In Weather Forecasts 79

cryptoz (878581) writes Apple is now adding barometers to its mobile devices: both new iPhones have valuable atmospheric pressure sensors being used for HealthKit (step counting). Since many Android devices have been carrying barometers for years, scientists like Cliff Mass have been using the sensor data to improve weather forecasts. Open source data collection projects like PressureNet on Android automatically collect and send the atmospheric sensor data to researchers.
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Barometers In iPhones Mean More Crowdsourcing In Weather Forecasts

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  • by blueshift_1 ( 3692407 ) on Monday October 20, 2014 @12:41PM (#48187583)
    Is this a suprise? I felt like this is a pretty obvious one. I mean, a newsworthy article would be that Apple would then use this data to induce mass climate change and natural disasters where there is a low density of Apple users to increase their market share.
  • by CO_gun_toter ( 675593 ) on Monday October 20, 2014 @12:48PM (#48187637)
    I read the lead in three times, each time reading HeaLthKit as HeathKit. I must be officailly an old fart...
  • If it is open source (and a cursory look around the web site didn't show me any links to the source), it's a shame that it isn't in F-Droid.
  • I know what they're going through. I had my last apple years ago. These days, when I find one, I toss it back over the fence.

  • to implement the anal probe functionality. I know the idea is rather old at this point. Clearly the populace is not vocally butt-hurt enough just yet about the lack of privacy, or maybe they are and we just need the data about their sphincter tightness... in the cloud aggregate database gathered by the APF module.

  • Yay! We can finally all figure out what the average weather inside teenagers pockets is! Woot!

  • Remember Barometers In iPhones.. that's iPhones.. remember Barometers In iPhones.... Smallprint: oh yeah, Android had them for years
    • Smallprint: oh yeah, Android had them for years

      I now expect Apple to launch a billion dollar lawsuit against Samsung over the lowercase letter, "i" in Android. Alternatively, I expect Apple to launch a billion dollar lawsuit against Samsung for showing atmospheric pressure in millibars; thereby infringing upon Apple's invention of the word.

  • by nadaou ( 535365 ) on Monday October 20, 2014 @01:26PM (#48188025) Homepage

    If you get the chance to monitor the barometer at high frequency there are a couple neat atmospheric phenomena which you can observe.

    The shockwaves which preceed an oncoming strong front or thunderstorm are especially cool to watch.

  • by Ksevio ( 865461 ) on Monday October 20, 2014 @01:29PM (#48188059) Homepage
    I know my android device has a barometer, but I can't seem to figure out why. Sure it's kind of neat to be able to see the pressure graphed over time, but I don't think it's a big selling point on devices. Is it just a side effect of some other hardware that makes it easy to implement or something?
    • Re:What for? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, 2014 @01:43PM (#48188173)

      It can help GPS fixes be acquired faster. Barometers provide a rough estimate of altitude and can aid GPS fixes. See https://plus.google.com/+DanMorrill/posts/jVJhPyouWDP

    • by Nkwe ( 604125 )

      I know my android device has a barometer, but I can't seem to figure out why. Sure it's kind of neat to be able to see the pressure graphed over time, but I don't think it's a big selling point on devices. Is it just a side effect of some other hardware that makes it easy to implement or something?

      Accurate altitude detection? GPS altitude isn't that accurate (at least on cheap consumer level GPS receivers). I have a hand-held Garmin GPS targeted at hiking and it has a barometer built in for more accurate altitude. Perhaps phones are adding them for the same reason.

    • by ATH500 ( 872417 )
      Because pressure can give information on what altitude you are at which enables GPS to find your position faster and more accurately.
      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Because pressure can give information on what altitude you are at which enables GPS to find your position faster and more accurately.

        Provided it's calibrated to the proper atmospheric pressure where you are. Simple weather changes can easily shift your altitude 100 feet either way making it no more reliable than a GPS fix. Granted, if you can obtain the local sea level pressure where you are, you can beat GPS quite handily. But if you can't, you're pretty much guessing your altitude.

    • Actually, the barometer on my phone is pretty good. Absent a radical atmospheric change, it roughly knows when I've climbed one floor in an elevator for instance. I doubt that the gyroscope sensors could be giving it this level of information. In any case, by itself this information is almost useless, but when correlated with other data points from other sensors, that's when application developers could use that information to infer much more useful information.

      For instance, with this kind of information, a

    • One of the things Apple is using the barometer for is to determine what floor you may be in within a building.

      It could be that with central heating/cooling in most buildings running almost all the time, perhaps a barometric reading could be constant between floors from day to day, even as weather changed...

      Or perhaps just using the change along with accelerometer data to detect shifting between floors.

    • by BillX ( 307153 )

      Advertising. Location service can now not only tell what store you're shopping in, but which floor.

      The more user-friendly side-effect is for outdoor activities (tracking runs, hikes, etc.) - much more accurate elevation change info than GPS, whose vertical resolution is terrible.

  • Every time I feel a small breeze or change in air pressure or a bit of a temperature change I feel also tracked ... somehow is behind me ... I'm sure! I can feel it!
    Or is it just my developing proximity sense?

  • so since they have an accelerometer, gyro, compass (orientation), GPS (position), and now even barometer and temperature sensor (reasonably accurate altitude w/ high update rate), all they're missing is a few PWM outputs to directly fly a plane, helicopter, or multirotor as a full-blown auto pilot. I know it's peanuts to interface an MCU with an android phone over UART over USB, but i'm guessing it is also possible on iShizzle, be it over some proprietary interface as opposed to plain old TTL UART. Let's se
    • by Anonymous Coward

      $700 phone instead of a much cheaper ArduPilot? Why???

      • oh i agree, but this never stopped anyone. also 3G for telemetry sounds nice, but i guess you could just slap a phone on an ardupilot or any other controller as well.. Also 3DR's APM/pixhawk is way too expensive for what it is imho.
    • They've already been around for years. A few extra sensor provided by the drone kit instead of the iPhone. This just makes them cheaper because your kit doesn't need as many sensors.

      • care to share a link/source ? I have never seen any flight controllers that run directly from a phone.
  • I wonder how long it will take someone to turn this into a secondary (and insecure) microphone. It's already been done with Android's gyroscope. [slate.com]

  • Now that they have a barometer... just need to add air motion sensors, a humidity sensor, a thermometer, vibration sensor, UV sensor, and an air quality sensor / airborn particles measurement, Oh yeah, and an Ebola/Microbe detector

  • I know several people who get barometric migraines [webmd.com], or migraine headaches that are triggered when the pressure changes suddenly (usually when it drops). Some of them have told me that migraine medications like rizatriptan [wikipedia.org] and sumatriptan [wikipedia.org] can be effective, but often come with unpleasant side-effects like a racing pulse or grogginess.

    This leads to a dilemma: do you take the medication and deal with the side effects, or do you try to ride out the headache? It's especially frustrating for people who get headach

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