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Microsoft Is Downloading Windows 10 Without Asking 867

New submitter christhedj writes with a story at The Inquirer, according to which: Microsoft, having learned nothing from Apple and the U2 album, have started downloading Windows 10 as part of Patch Tuesday for Windows 7 and 8 users. For people on a 32GB flash drive tablet, that's a big chunk of space taken up with something that they didn't ask for. Microsoft admits to doing this, but users are not happy. Way to look needy, Microsoft.
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Microsoft Is Downloading Windows 10 Without Asking

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  • That was easy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:14AM (#50494269)
    I was still on the fence about whether to stick to Windows 7 or upgrade to Windows 10. This just made my decision for me. Looks like I'll probably make the jump to Linux in a few years depending on how well they've got games running on Linux( since that is the only thing keeping me on Windows anyway).
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:20AM (#50494323)

      and another empty threat. you'll be on windows 10 in a few years, you'll see.

      • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:22AM (#50494369)

        and another empty threat. you'll be on windows 10 in a few years, you'll see.

        Probably not. Like I said, I'm really only still on Windows because of games, and with me essentially "growing up" (married, work 8-4 M-F and 1 weekend a month, planning to have kids next year) chances are in a few years I will hardly be playing games anymore anyway. At that point there is nothing left tying me to Windows.

        • Re:That was easy (Score:4, Insightful)

          by tepples ( 727027 ) <tepples@gma[ ]com ['il.' in gap]> on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:02AM (#50494793) Homepage Journal

          At that point there is nothing left tying me to Windows.

          Other than Linux failing to suspend and resume correctly on a laptop.

          • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Informative)

            by LVSlushdat ( 854194 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:24AM (#50495013)

            When you have an SSD that boots Linux in less than 20 seconds, who the hell *cares* if it doesn't hibernate correctly.. I run Kubuntu 14.04 on a Dell Precision M4400 and haven't EVER hibernated it, as a cold boot is fast enough to not give a shit if hibernation works or doesn't work...

            • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Insightful)

              by Idarubicin ( 579475 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:46AM (#50495255) Journal

              When you have an SSD that boots Linux in less than 20 seconds, who the hell *cares* if it doesn't hibernate correctly.

              Presumably people working on multiple documents and/or in multiple applications who don't want to have to restart those applications, reopen their files, and rearrange their windows every time they go from home to office. (Or office to train. Or living room to desk. Or whatever.)

            • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Insightful)

              by TheGratefulNet ( 143330 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:54AM (#50495331)

              yeah, 'saving state' is such an old and outdated concept. I mean, why would we want to checkpoint the status of lots of open files, open browser windows, edits that are not ready to be commited or saved but you don't want to close the file, either. even the cursor position is important to be saved; its all part of 'state'.

              but go ahead an argue that saving your status is worthless. in fact, maybe you like to just be forced to logoff and reboot every few hours? hmmm? sound good to you?

              • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Interesting)

                by squiggleslash ( 241428 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:16PM (#50495599) Homepage Journal

                Probably worth noting that Windows 10 seems to have apps "disappear" and need restarting on an hourly basis, and that's with light load. "Mail" seems to be the worst.

                Also - automatic reboots. If there's one thing worse than having to shut down your power-compromised laptop, and then restart it when you're ready to use it again, it's having the device reboot all by itself and lose much of what you've done in the process.

            • When you have an SSD that boots Linux in less than 20 seconds, who the hell *cares* if it doesn't hibernate correctly

              People who want their sessions to be restored correctly. Or which web browser will correctly reopen pages that had been opened in tabs, even if the machine is offline when the user logs back in?

          • by rnturn ( 11092 )

            ``Other than Linux failing to suspend and resume correctly on a laptop.''

            Both "Sleep" and "Hibernate" options work like a charm once I upgraded from openSUSE 12.2 to 13.2. Granted, it was hit or (mostly) miss prior to the upgrade but it hasn't failed once since I took the time to update the OS. I have nothing to tie my personal computer use to Windows. Left that atrocity of an OS behind ten years ago.

          • Re:That was easy (Score:4, Informative)

            by squiggleslash ( 241428 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:13PM (#50495543) Homepage Journal

            Just a data point, but my Ubuntu laptop suspends and resumes just fine. But my Windows laptop doesn't and frequently has to be rebooted when that happens.

            IIRC my Powerbook used to have similar issues, I think it's just a hard problem for operating designers - who start with operating systems that don't support the feature - to retrofit onto existing systems. I'm kinda surprised Ubuntu does it without problems, but it does.

          • Re:That was easy (Score:4, Interesting)

            by Al Al Cool J ( 234559 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:49PM (#50495989)

            Other than Linux failing to suspend and resume correctly on a laptop.

            YMMV, but I recently switched my Windows netbook to Linux and I can't believe how lightning fast it suspends/awakes now. I spent several days just showing it off to friends and co-workers. Suspend - awake - suspend - awake. It's like magic compared to how it used to be under Windows. This is a machine that under the light edition of Win7 had become so slow, I couldn't even use it to browse Twitter from a fresh reboot. Now it's finally a fully functional computer and not just a toy.

            • Other than Linux failing to suspend and resume correctly on a laptop.

              YMMV, but I recently switched my Windows netbook to Linux and I can't believe how lightning fast it suspends/awakes now.

              The suspend issue is really old news by now. I haven't had it in years. But some folks are still really pissed off about FDR yet.

          • by iONiUM ( 530420 )

            It's not just that (this happens to me too though). If you read my comments, you'll see I had a very had time installing Linux Mint on my HP laptop. It would have been impossible for most users.

            However, last week I booted into Linux Mint 16 again, and tried to run updates, and guess what? THEY ALL FAILED, with error '404' no less. Now, as a developer I know what that means, and I googled and found that basically the ubuntu servers had moved the files for updates because they're too old. Really? Linux Mint 1

            • Now, really think about what I just wrote. A new Linux distribution gave me that much shit to install, then update, then upgrade. Does anyone honestly believe it's ready for the 'general' user?

              I don't think any OS is ready for the general user. Have you tried using Windows 8(.1) lately? That sure as hell isn't ready for the general user. Its UI is a complete mess, you have to switch between two totally different paradigms and looks-and-feels just to go configure something in the control panel, and even t

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          this entire thread sounds like a repost from 1998. not much has changed on this topic in 15-20 years

          personally, i think google *may* find some way to kill off windows in 5-10 years

          i'm not talking about chromebooks, i'm talking about how android has destroyed windows in the phone market. google is leveraging and will continue to leverage phone dependence to make desktops and tablets something you want the same interaction with, content sharing with, seamless switching, etc.

          i'm not saying exactly what that co

          • Hey, it's a luxury brand walled garden but it's also not Microsoft. I'm using it and I'm quite happy with it as a rule. Spent a lot of largely trouble-free years on Apple stuff.

            My brother's a rightwing corporate programmer and he has recently bailed on Microsoft and is trying much harder than ever before to get into Linux. He's been MS guy for decades. it's interesting to see (encouraging, even). I can't imagine he'll react sympathetically to this news that MS is basically force-updating Windows 10 to peopl

        • I appreciate your optimism, but trust me: having kids is stressful, and I found that having games as a (less frequent, but still occasional) escape was even more important.

        • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Interesting)

          by mnooning ( 759721 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:57AM (#50495365) Journal

          You will be much better off waiting a year till the Windows 10 bugs are worked out.

          I upgraded to Windows 10 five days ago on one of my Dell GX960 Core 2 Duo machines. Windows 10 will *NOT* drive the HP LP2475w monitor that was working fine with Windows 7 at the recommended native resolution. The lowered resolution it will drive it at is distorted. I had to replace the machine with a different Windows 7 machine. I do not have any monitors smaller than 24 inch, and I do not have any Windows 7 disks, so I sat the trial GX960 on a shelf for now.

        • Re:That was easy (Score:4, Insightful)

          by cyberchondriac ( 456626 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50498001) Journal
          Weelll, you say that now. I stopped playing games for years, and thought I was done with them. Then my son grew older, and discovered Skyrim. So then, I discovered Skyrim. The next thing I know I'm replacing the graphics card and the power supply to support it in my computer. Since then I've bought Doom3 and Rage, older era stuff my card can support (I bought the latest GPU my mobo could support). I'm trying to quit again, it's too much unproductive (but fun!) time spent.
      • and another empty threat. you'll be on windows 10 in a few years, you'll see.

        That's going to be Windows OS A 10.3 Leaping Panther.

        • "Windows OS A 10.3 Leaping Panther"

          Leaping Panther is definitely an Apple thing. More likely it will be something like "Data Defender" which streams all your data directly over unencrypted broadcast radio, installs itself and accepts it's own EULA as a "feature."

          I mean... if they are going to jump naming convention why not go with the congressional approach?
        • That's going to be Windows OS A 10.3 Leaping Panther.

          You mean more like Windows OS A 10.3 Screaming Monkey...

          "Update me! Update me!"

      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        by mlts ( 1038732 )

        I'll be on Windows Server 2016 before Windows 10. For someone who knows what they are doing, W2016 is a lot better, just because it ships with all but basic functionality off/uninstalled. Wi-Fi, Cortana, and a UI? All available via features, but not there by default.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Penguinisto ( 415985 )

        and another empty threat. you'll be on windows 10 in a few years, you'll see.

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaa!

        (...typed on my MacBook Pro at work while waiting for a build to complete. My MacBook Pro at home says you're full of it too, as well as my Linux home machinery...)

        In all honesty, transitioning away form Windows was once a long, drawn-out process. I kept a Windows box around for years because of gaming, and CG applications (3DS Max specifically) that only worked on Windows. However, bit-by-bit, I was able to move my CG tools and gaming habits over to either Linux or OSX (or in the case

    • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Interesting)

      by jandrese ( 485 ) <kensama@vt.edu> on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:28AM (#50494419) Homepage Journal
      You might be surprised at how healthy gaming is becoming on Linux. The Linux Steam client is helping a lot. I've been playing through Torchlight II and Bioshock Infinite (my backlog is kind of long at this point) on Linux and they just work. No mess no fuss just launch them from Steam and play. In my Steam catalog maybe half of the games are playable on the Linux side, and admittedly the Linux list is heavily weighted towards indie titles, but Steambox has been convincing some of the big name publishers to put in the relatively minimal amount of effort necessary for Linux support.

      A lot of it comes down to the engines too. If you build on Unity then Linux support is a no brainer. If you build on Unreal then you probably won't have Linux support, but even that is changing as engine developers are adding Linux build options now.

      That said, some big name titles are not getting native Linux versions in the foreseeable future. If you want to play GTAV you need a Windows machine, or really a console because the PC port was so halfassed to begin with. Generally if the Windows version of a game is barely functional they won't have a Linux version either. An exception is apparently Arkham Knight, which had a terribad PC port but somehow is still going to make it to Linux this fall apparently.
      • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

        You might be surprised at how healthy gaming is becoming on Linux. The Linux Steam client is helping a lot. I've been playing through Torchlight II and Bioshock Infinite (my backlog is kind of long at this point) on Linux and they just work. No mess no fuss just launch them from Steam and play. In my Steam catalog maybe half of the games are playable on the Linux side, and admittedly the Linux list is heavily weighted towards indie titles, but Steambox has been convincing some of the big name publishers to put in the relatively minimal amount of effort necessary for Linux support.

        Part of my concern is my existing Steam library and whether or not I would need to repurchase a majority of the titles I already own. I suppose I could Google it or delve into Steam's support/FAQ, but that would take effort on my part and this is still Slashdot.

        • Re:That was easy (Score:5, Informative)

          by jandrese ( 485 ) <kensama@vt.edu> on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:38AM (#50494513) Homepage Journal
          You buy games, not versions of games on Steam. So if there is a Linux or Mac install of a game you bought on Windows, it automatically appears in your list on the other platforms. Surprisingly, Steam's cloud saves generally work cross platform as well, so you can start a game on Windows and then finish it on Linux, or play a round on the Mac and then go back to your Linux box.
      • Re: That was easy (Score:4, Informative)

        by guruevi ( 827432 ) <.eb.ebucgnikoms. .ta. .ive.> on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:47AM (#50494623) Homepage

        Depends on which Unreal engine. Older games on older engines could run on Linux even without official support, usually simply copying and renaming the binary.

        If the Unreal engine were compiled for Linux, replacing the launchers would be relatively simple.

        It eventually comes down to choice of rendering language. If you stuck to Directx for some reason, you'll be stuck with Windows (or Wine). The growing iOS, Android, Mac and Linux markets can't be reached. If you chose OpenGL, porting is simple.

        • If you stuck to Directx for some reason, you'll be stuck with Windows (or Wine).

          A DirectX game will run on Windows, Windows Phone, and Xbox One. (In fact, DirectX is where the X in Xbox came from.) If your game is designed for use with a gamepad, especially multiple gamepads, you might see more sales on Xbox One than on iOS, Android, OS X, and X11/Linux combined.

    • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:28AM (#50494425) Journal

      > Looks like I'll probably make the jump to Linux in a few years

      Those of us who have been Microsoft-free for decades will be here to help whenever you're ready. Only if you're a Windows expert, they'll be a little bit of a learning a learning curve. For example, if you edit the registry manually on a regular basis, there's no registry on Linux. If you DON'T delve into the internals of the OS, you may hardly notice the difference, other than that you don't have to worry about software license keys anymore.

      My main tip to make transitioning simple:
      Don't ask "how do I run [brand name of software] on Linux?"
      Instead I ask, "How do I [accomplish task] on Linux?"
      As an example, it's much easier to do basic and moderate photo editing in Gimp than it is to buy Photoshop and get it running on Linux.

      • Yeah? And my existing iTunes library? My tax software? The software to keep my GPS up to date? The home design software I used when I needed to file a building permit?

        I've used Linux off and on since Slackware 0.99 in 1993 ... and there still remain gaps in some places where you find it's not possible to ditch Windows because there's still pieces you need.

        There just always seems to be a couple of things you still need, and for which the open source alternatives are either non-existent or absolutely terr

        • by tepples ( 727027 )

          And my existing iTunes library?

          Because iTunes Store dropped FairPlay digital restrictions management for music in 2009, your existing iTunes music library works in any AAC player for X11/Linux.

          My tax software?

          Individual tax returns can be prepared on HRBlock.com, and you have to re-buy the software annually anyway to account for annual changes to the tax code, so you can just buy the one that works best in Wine.

          The software to keep my GPS up to date?

          A GPS application for a phone can be updated within the phone, and a standalone GPS ought to be able to be updated by copying a file to it throu

    • by kesuki ( 321456 )

      http://ultimateedition.info/index.php/gamers/ultimate-entertainment/ [ultimateedition.info] the site speaks for itself.

    • You're sticking with Windows 7 because Windows 7 is downloading something without you asking?
  • Arrogance? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Intrepid imaginaut ( 1970940 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:16AM (#50494281)

    This is way beyond arrogance, this is tantamount to installing malware on my computer. So now I have to go through all my windows machines checking and uninstalling "patches" for... ever?

    • by red crab ( 1044734 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:23AM (#50494379)
      That's just tantamount to installing an upgraded version of malware that is already running on your system. Not that bad.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        You joke, but people actually found out about this because Windows Defender quarrantined the download as malware. :D

    • Re:Arrogance? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:39AM (#50494529) Homepage

      Good luck figuring out which ones are safe to install.

      Microsoft has promoted them to the point where they show as "Important" and claim to be for the stability of the OS. Unless you literally check every patch on the web to figure out if it isn't related to Windows 10 it's almost impossible.

      They're going to shove this turd up people's asses no matter what it takes.

      Apparently this is how Microsoft envisions the future ... sending a big "fuck you" to their customers and telling them they don't have a choice in how Microsoft runs things, and are re-defining who actually owns the machine.

      • Re:Arrogance? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:09AM (#50494871)

        It's worse than that. Microsoft has also decided that they're going to stop posting details about patches. Check out the patch notes for Windows 10 updates (like KB3081452 [microsoft.com]) and all you'll get, and I'm quoting verbatim for that update, is:

        August 27, 2015, compatibility update for upgrading to Windows 10

        Summary
        This update makes improvements to ease the upgrade experience to Windows 10.

        What does that mean? Not a clue. But that's the entirety of the upgrade notes. Everything else is instructions on installing the patch. What does it fix? Does it add new "telemetrics?" Does it fix any bugs? Microsoft won't say!

        Windows 10 is without a doubt the worst version of Windows since Windows ME. If you thought Windows 8 was bad, just wait until you try Windows 10! Explorer locks up constantly, breaking the Start menu and the desktop. The Nvidia drivers are the most unstable thing ever, and have only recently been fixed to the point where they just get restarted constantly rather than hard-locking the OS constantly. The Start menu search is now broken and finds a random subset of the installed programs. Cortana search will "find" documents on your computer ... but then not provide any way to open them. Windows 10 "tablet" mode provides no method of opening the software keyboard while "desktop" mode does.

        Windows 10 is just completely, hilariously broken, to the point that Windows 8 seems amazing by comparison.

    • Re:Arrogance? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by LVSlushdat ( 854194 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:02AM (#50494795)

      If you're already using 7 or 8/8.1, you're getting the same "telemetry" crap shoved down your throat, unless you take the time to research and remove those "updates" doing this bullshit, and THEN you have to trust MS to NOT put them back despite your removal/hiding them.. "Trust" and "Microsoft" are two words that have NO business together.. And if you think *this* is "way beyond arrogance" wait till you actually RUN Windows 10.. To defang/castrate it from all of the spyware "features", you have to visit regedit, gpedit.msc, to disable/remove this sewage.. Even after alledgedly disabling some of the worst of the lot, namely Cortana, you *still* have a Cortana process running, that cannot be killed... I'm a retired Windows support tech/network admin who retired in 2010, and moved all of my home systems to Linux in 2011. I've installed/tested Windows 10 on a spare "burner" machine simply to be familiar with it when friends/neighbors ask me about it or want me to help them with it, when it inevitably pukes its guts.. I used/supported Windows from Windows 3.11 (1991) to XP/Windows 7 (2010) and I'm DONE with any Microsoft product and thats my advice to anyone who asks.. Those who continue to use Windows are now members of the largest botnet in history. sending ALL of your business to Microsoft... I might as well go ahead and say it "FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"

    • Funny how nobody complains if a tablet, phone or console demands an OS update to continue functioning (unless significant features are removed), but if it's Windows, it's "malware"...

      You want to complain about the automatic download? Fine, that is stupid. I was also surprised by the aggressiveness with which Windows 10 was pushed - I ended up accidentally upgrading sooner than I wanted when I thought I was just "reserving" the update.

  • by GeekWithAKnife ( 2717871 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:16AM (#50494283)

    These are not the upgrades you were looking for.

    Nothing to see here.

    Move along.
  • by mark-t ( 151149 ) <markt AT nerdflat DOT com> on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:16AM (#50494285) Journal

    If this is running as part of regular Windows Update, I'm curious to know whether or not this is going to just start installing the update to windows 10 without asking the user at some point.

    That will be *VERY* interesting....

  • Data Plan Blew Up (Score:5, Interesting)

    by coop247 ( 974899 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:20AM (#50494329)
    My in-laws live in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania and had tried HughesNet for a few years but didn't like it. I told them to get one of the little wireless routers from Verizon, and they easily keep under their 2Gb limit.

    Last month she's calling me wondering how in the world she could have gone over her limit, and how they are going to charge her $30 and this and that. After some investigation, turns out it was Win10 downloading.

    Yeah, thats some shit right there.
    • 1-800-sue-em (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ThatsNotPudding ( 1045640 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:40AM (#50494541)
      She will be a perfect, unassailable test case in the airtight class action lawsuit Data Cap Victims v Microsoft Corporation.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:46AM (#50494597)

      Same thing happened to me. I don't game or stream and am just a poor college dude, so I just tether my laptop to my phone for internet. I blew over my cap because of this. If I had known about it or had the option to delay, I would have gone to a wifi hotspot for the update. Microsoft really must have their head so far up their collective asses to not consider there might be any reason to give users a choice on if and when they download Windows 10. It just goes to show how Microsoft is out of touch with how people are actually using computers... "gee I have high speed internet at home so everyone else must have it too!".

      • by coop247 ( 974899 )
        Shows with their Xbox idiocy too. They wanted "always on" this generation and are already talking digital only games for the next one. Not everyone has a 1GB fiber pipe you idiots.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by halivar ( 535827 )

      In this particular case, the villain is the greedy asshole ISP with the arbitrary data cap.

    • ...Verizon, and they easily keep under their 2Gb limit. ... [now] have gone over her limit, and how they are going to charge her $30 and this and that. After some investigation, turns out it was Win10 downloading.

      And now M Night Shyamalan has optioned the movie version of Windows 10: The Bandwidth Rapist.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:20AM (#50494333)

    What about when you are on a metered connection (such as mobile broadband) ?

    This could cost you a fortune. Any chance Microsoft could be held liable for their customers communication costs ?

    • What about when you are on a metered connection (such as mobile broadband) ?

      This could cost you a fortune. Any chance Microsoft could be held liable for their customers communication costs ?

      Yep, that happened [slashdot.org]. Let's see if coop247 [slashdot.org] tries to take them to court.

  • When I go over my cap this month because of MS' arrogance, Who should I send it to?

    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      I smell a class action suit.

      • Those are your socks.

      • Oooh ... a class action lawsuit ... know what you'll get? A fucking voucher for a copy of Windows 10.

        Besides, the EULA probably says you have to agree to arbitration. It probably also says you can't do that either.

        Ain't it grand?

    • Send it to Microsoft's Public Relations Manager. First tie it to a brick, and aim real high for his office window.

      By the way, address it to the manager personally. He's a grumpy old guy named Mr. Wilson.

  • by I'm New Around Here ( 1154723 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:22AM (#50494367)

    Read these two paragraphs from near the end of the article.

    Whether you believe it's to avoid fragmentation or to spy on you depends on how much pot you smoked in college,
    but it now appears to have gone from 'over keen' to 'needy' and you have to wonder why and whether it's going to
    blow up in the company's face.

    It should be enough of a clue that over 10 percent of Windows machines are still on XP and Vista,
    while there's over 40 percent more of the market on 7 than on 8, to be able to tell that people don't like to assume.

    What does the second paragraph actually say?

    Even if we take out the middle, it's strange.

    It should be enough of a clue to be able to tell that people don't like to assume.

    Please help me become enlightened.

    Respectually,

    The New Guy.

  • "Well, we're just gonna install all the spyware Windows 10 has onto your 7 or 8 systems, anyway, which the NSA can invade our computers for without a warrant, so no rational reason is stopping you from upgrading to 10 now!"

  • by areusche ( 1297613 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:27AM (#50494413)

    I spent the last few days battling with Windows Update which was forcing me to Windows 10. I have no desire to install the updated OS. Courtesy of the folks at Sevenforums I found that uninstalling these updates KB3075851, KB2952664, KB3021917, KB3035583, KB3068708 and deleting the $Windows.~BT (and / or) $Windows.~WS was able to remove the forced update. Windows update refused to search for any other updates requiring me to run the Windows 10 updater.

    Rant mode: fuck these forced updates, cryptic KB updates that don't really tell what they're doing, CHANGING KB numbers after I block the other bad updates, and any OS that hasn't been out for over a year. I am NOT your lab monkey.

  • Assholes .. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:30AM (#50494455) Homepage

    I'm so damned glad I've not allowed automatic updates. I'm seriously contemplating never applying a damned update to my Windows 8.1 desktop ever again.

    Microsoft seems to have simply decided that the user has no choice in the matter, and that Microsoft is going to manage your computer for you.

    Throw in all of the telemetry and other shitware they've been putting into the OS and Windows is rapidly becoming very hostile to the people who actually own the computers.

    They're really acting like a bunch of assholes in how they're handling this damned update, and making it harder and harder to tell what is a "real" update and what is just shit they've put in for their own purposes.

    What part of "this is my Windows 8.1 machine, I am not interested in Windows 10, fuck off and go away" is so hard to understand? Don't keep sneaking it in via stealthy means ... because if you have to do this shit behind people's backs, you should take that as a sign nobody wants it.

  • by X.25 ( 255792 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:40AM (#50494537)

    I had to travel recently, so I took a laptop with clean Windows 8.1 Pro install.

    At my destination, I've purchased a SIM (they only had 1GB data packages) and put it into the 3G/wifi router I carry.

    I powered the laptop, connected to Internet via said router, checked few things, then went away for few hours.

    When I got back to apartment, my data package (and Internet connectivity) was killed because Microsoft idiots decided to start downloading Windows 10 even though I have explicitly closed/rejected all the 'offers'.

    Those retards did not take into account the possibility that not everyone running Windows is on unlimited broadband data package. Great planning there.

    At home I did a plain install of 8.1 on another computer, and same thing happened - even though I explicitly rejected everything related to Windows 10, idiots made it so download starts anyway. I had to 'hide' the Windows 10 in Windows Update in order to stop it from being downloaded.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:47AM (#50494625)

      You're "supposed" to set the connection as "metered" which will prevent Windows from downloading any updates at all. (Or at least it's supposed to. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it turns out that it doesn't.)

      Not surprisingly, while marking a connection as "metered" in Windows 8 is trivial (right click on the network and choose "set as metered"), it's nearly impossible to do it under Windows 10. You have to go to Settings, Network Connections, Advanced Options, and then there's a "metered" option hiding somewhere in those options.

      Of course, if you're using Windows 7, you're screwed. The "metered" setting is a new Windows 8 feature, and can't be done in Windows 7.

  • by acoustix ( 123925 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @10:41AM (#50494547) Homepage

    I think the most effective way to approach this is to take to social media and call out Microsoft. What gives them the right to push an unwanted upgrade to my computer without my consent? You're planning to upgrade my computer, without any knowledge of how it will affect my software and hardware that has specific requirements.

    Can you imagine what will happen to small business running specialty software and hardware that isn't support on Windows 10 yet? What about the data plans of it's customers? We're talking about potentially millions of dollars that consumers will be charged in data overages.

    I have already taken to Twitter to start my bitching. And I don't tweet very often. We need to make this painful for Microsoft.

  • by frovingslosh ( 582462 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:23AM (#50495007)

    One time, years ago, I got a new laptop and deferred accepting the "security update" for over a month while I learned the details of my new laptop and new Win XP OS. When I did accept the security update I could no longer access the Internet from Linux. This was particularly strange since I was running Linux from a Knoppix Live CD, and I even confirmed that the CD had not changed (both by checking the md5 and by making another CD). What I eventually tracked down was that the "security update" had changed the EEPROM on my built-in NIC so that it wouldn't work properly under Linux any more (all modern NICs use EEPROM to store information including the MAC address). Windows bypassed what was done and it could still access the Internet.

    As Windows is that only malware that successfully has been able to do damage to any of my computers that I couldn't undo, I no longer allow Windows to do the automatic updates. Some say that I'm foolish. This article indicates otherwise.

  • Laptop gone poof (Score:4, Informative)

    by scsirob ( 246572 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @11:27AM (#50495047)

    Our housekeeper had a Win7 laptop which ran so-so. Win10 downloaded automatically and nagged for install every boot. She finally clicked OK. Laptop thrundled for an hour, rebooted, screen went black, never came back. Each attempt to boot turns the screen black. No recovery, no backup.

    She got a Chromebook and couldn't be happier. Thank you Microsoft.

  • by TheDarkener ( 198348 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @12:39PM (#50495877) Homepage

    I usually install "Optional" Windows updates as part of my preventive maintenance routine with my clients. I was taken off guard when I saw this suspicious looking folder. After a second of research I found it was the Windows 10 install files, which I never asked for (my clients always defer things like that to me).

    Along with some other questionable optional Win7 updates as of late (like the one that tracks you akin to Win10), I'm wondering whether I need to research each individual update now before installing it. Fuck, Microsoft. Why do you have to make my job even more time consuming than it already is just keeping your damn OS running correctly?

  • by Striikerr ( 798526 ) on Thursday September 10, 2015 @01:34PM (#50496447)

    Microsoft has to do this in order to boost figures which they spread around via marketing. Look how many times Windows 10 has been downloaded by users! Have a look at THIS headline as proof..
    The Appeal of Free: 75 Million Users Download Windows 10 in First Month [nytimes.com]

    Obviously the intent here is to inflate their numbers and make the deployment look better than it really is. While I have no doubt that many are taking advantage of the free upgrade option (which apparently expires in a year or so), not all who download are going to install (shoveling the upgrade onto systems) or stick with it.

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