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Microsoft Rolls Out Major Fall Update To Windows 10 (windows10update.com) 181

Ammalgam writes: Microsoft has rolled out a major update to Windows 10 called the Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2. The update is now publicly available for everyone to download. Microsoft has confirmed it will be a staggered release. This update is full of fixes and refinements to Windows 10 including substantial changes to Edge, Cortana, icons, the Start Menu, Activation and multiple enterprise features. Here is a full list of changes. Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet? What was your experience?
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Microsoft Rolls Out Major Fall Update To Windows 10

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:15PM (#50926529)

    I may need glasses, or see someone who can help with Freudian slips.

    • Re:Major Fail Update (Score:4, Interesting)

      by luvirini ( 753157 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:39PM (#50927291)

      The fully things is.. I read the exactly same thing.

      I think it is a perception issue, with windows 10 being a major fail overall, the cognitive process made that association.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:16PM (#50926539)

    Who wants to bet that this will turn all the spy stuff back on?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:16PM (#50926547)

    Just getting that out of the way, yw.

  • by ITRambo ( 1467509 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:18PM (#50926563)
    I used the Media Creation Tool to get it right away. Download the tool, run it and select Upgrade Now. Went flawlessly on our two laptops. The upgrade did change our default PDF reader back to Edge, which I changed back to Foxit Reader. The options to add color to the title bar is off by default. You can click on Personalization and then Color to change the setting. White title bars suck. Mail client, which is improved, is now called Outlook when it's opened. That seems like an odd choice since Outlook is a full fledged desktop app. Never doubt the capability of Microsoft to confuse. The Media Creation Tool download link is: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink... [microsoft.com]
    • by klui ( 457783 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @02:28AM (#50928711)

      Or download the ISOs directly using https://www.microsoft.com/en-u... [microsoft.com]

      • by squiggleslash ( 241428 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @04:18PM (#50931389) Homepage Journal

        Just a clarification: The Media Creation Tool is somewhat misleadingly named. It's actually a generic upgrade tool that has the capability to create installation media but is actually more often used for straight, in place, upgrades (the type where the operating system updates, but your files are still there, your applications are still installed, your device drivers are either upgraded or left alone, the registry is patched not recreated, etc.)

        So yeah, you can download the ISOs directly, but you're more likely to actually want to use the MCT as it performs an upgrade not dissimilar to, say, upgrading Ubuntu from 14.04 to 14.10 using Software Updater.

        • by klui ( 457783 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @11:10PM (#50933077)

          Most of the time all I want are the ISOs. With Threshold 2's ability to accept Windows 7/8 keys make the in-place upgrade unnecessary, and superfluous. I really don't want the Media Creation Tool to put crap in C:\$WINDOWS.~BT and C:\$Windows.~WS even if I told it to just download the ISO.

          The only benefit of using the creation tool is if I wanted to have an x86+x64 FAT ISO. Or Windows Update fails in a way which causes the upgrade to stop showing up, and one is forced to upgrade in-place.

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @06:48AM (#50929285)

      Mail client, which is improved, is now called Outlook when it's opened. That seems like an odd choice since Outlook is a full fledged desktop app. Never doubt the capability of Microsoft to confuse.

      That's just consistent with their move in creating duplicate everythings. An OS that ships with 2 browsers with different names, and when you run office now has 2 email clients with the same name, clearly playing catchup with the default case of having 2 versions of OneNote with the same name.

      My favourite one is that the Onenote app can be run without unlocking the device, the desktop version can not which is very annoying.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:19PM (#50926571)

    Hey Microsoft, I do not want it. Quit forcing it on me. I have recommended updates enabled because they contain fixes for windows usually that aren't security related.

    If you don't want it ever prompting you, download and run gwx control panel. Great program that completely removes windows 10 from ever being installed, removes the download of it if it is there, and even stops prompting you to install it.

    http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html

    This is what MS should have provided in the first place.

    • by hyades1 ( 1149581 ) <hyades1@hotmail.com> on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:43PM (#50926829)

      Thank you for that, from the bottom of my heart!

    • by Black LED ( 1957016 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @09:08PM (#50927437)

      Hopefully next year when the "free upgrade" period ends, they'll leave us Windows 7 and 8.x users alone.

      • by hairyfeet ( 841228 ) <bassbeast1968@@@gmail...com> on Friday November 13, 2015 @10:20PM (#50927861) Journal

        You honestly think they are gonna end the "free" upgrade? What I find funny as hell personally is they could have already reached their 1 billion goal if they simply allowed the pirates to become legit Win 10 users, did they do that? Nope it allows them to install then nags the fuck out of them for money until they roll back to their working pirate edition LOL!

        What is even more sad is this Win 10 bullshit is making legit users go pirate as I've had several customers come in with the pirate version of Win 7 on their system DESPITE their laptop having a legit key on the bottom, why? Because when the Win 10 update either shat itself or the rolback didn't work they simply used the built in recovery partition and got their legit key marked as bad which would have meant dealing with a phone call to MSFT...or they could just download a Win 7 activator that fixes the problem in 2 seconds flat..../facepalm/.

        MSFT, c'mere....WTF are you DOING man? Are you TRYING to kill yourself? I mean for fuck's sake Ballmer ran the place better than Nadella is running it, Good Lord is there NOBODY there that has a functioning brain? I mean you could have knocked it out the park, made Win 10 into the next 95 and all you had to do was LISTEN, it was soooo simple, just 1.- Make Win 10 Win 7 with the faster backend of 8 like WIMBoot, 2.- Set a sensible price like $40 for Home and $60 for Pro for the first year with Win 7 3.- Sell Family packs at 4 licenses for $100 for Home, and TADA! Home run! Everybody is singing your praises and talking about how fucking great you are!

        Instead you fill Win 10 so full of spyware any company that has to follow HIPPA or SOX will treat it like plague blankets and the rumors has home users treating it like a malware infection...sigh. I never thought this day would come but now I'm, I swear to God, actually RECOMMENDING Windows 8, because at least with 8 you can kill the telemetry and with Classic Shell you can make it into Win 7...THAT is what you've done MSFT, you have made an OS soooo damned shitty it makes Win 8 a recommendation.....ARGH!

    • by unixisc ( 2429386 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @01:18AM (#50928571)
      I don't mind the updates themselves per se: my biggest problem is the forced reset every 24 hrs. I do not have my laptop always plugged in, and sometimes, I have it on sleep mode w/ certain work apps on. Last thing I want it to do is reset itself after an update w/o my permission. But it does it anyway, and in the process, I lose data that was there associated w/ the open app.
    • by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @05:21AM (#50929105)
      Thanks for that link, I'd been manually scraping the Win10 crapware dropper out of various systems using a cheat sheet of notes, but it's much easier just using an app to do it all for you.
  • by vux984 ( 928602 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:20PM (#50926579)

    "Disable telemetry. As promised, the November update includes the ability for enterprise IT to disable telemetry feedback to Microsoft. âoeWe strongly recommend against this, as this data helps us deliver a secure, reliable, and more delightful personalized experience,â Microsoft explains."

    Does this mean the disable telemetry group policy settings can now apply that setting to Pro? (Like the majority we get our PCs with OEM Windows and then join them to the domains.)

    Or is this still restricted only to the actual Windows 10 enterprise SKU?

    If the former... awesome news... if the latter? WTF... I thought the enterprise sku already had the option to disable telemetry?!!

    • Re:Disable Telemtry (Score:5, Informative)

      by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @05:28AM (#50929127)

      Note that Disable Telemetry, at least on the non-business editions, doesn't actually disable telemetry, just some of it. To actually get rid of it all, open Task Scheduler, go to Microsoft > Windows > Application Experience and delete the AITAgent, Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser (that's for Win7/Win8), and ProgramDataUpdater tasks, and then in Customer Experience Improvement Program, delete all entries. That seems to take care of things at the moment but then keep an eye out for further spyware that'll be added in future critical Windows updates.

      There's also a list of several dozen phone-home domains you can block at your router floating around, but that only helps if you're sitting behind your own router that you've set up for blocking.

  • by Fencepost ( 107992 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:30PM (#50926711) Journal
    I have a test laptop set up with Win10 and triggered the upgrade/update through Windows Update. The entire process took longer than I expected - possibly almost as long as the original Win10 install. The system can be used during the initial stages (download and some file updates) but then it reboots and you're at the black screen with a big white progress circle for quite a while.

    I was working on other things, but it feels to me like it probably took more than an hour to complete, though I think it was likely less than 2.
    • by squiggleslash ( 241428 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @12:30AM (#50928351) Homepage Journal

      Same here. The really annoying part came after logging in and being greeted with what looked like a full screen ad to tell you the system had been updated, but was actually the installer continuing to run (which meant no end of hitting Escape, Space, Ctrl-Alt-Del, and so on until after two or three minutes it finally admitted the installer was still running.

      Thus far, on my test laptop, I can't really comment. Things look mostly the same, some minor style changes aside. CPU usage seems dramatically lower (it was pretty much permanently 99% previously on this old X-series Thinkpad with just Mail and Firefox open, now it's generally under 20%, but until I've used it for a few days I really don't want to assume this means they've fixed those problems.)

    • by freeze128 ( 544774 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @01:08AM (#50928531)
      That's funny that you say it took longer than you expected. When I was upgrading an old laptop to windows 10, it displays friendly messages like "We're setting up your system", "This won't take long". Then after that, it displayed "Ok, this is taking longer than we expected". That cracked me up!
      • by TopherC ( 412335 ) on Monday November 16, 2015 @03:32PM (#50942265)

        It said something like "Don't worry, your files are exactly where you left them."

        I started to worry a lot when I saw this. Either MS was being fantastically condescending, or someone had hacked into my network and was encrypting my filesystem. It was taking a long time, so I was leaning toward the latter possibility. I expected the next message to be a ransom notice and I was reminding myself of how to restore from backups, how long it would take, and what I might lose. I finally thought to google the message on my phone. Phew, it was just MS being condescending. But honestly why would they even say this?! It's a cruel joke I think, and it worked brilliantly.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:32PM (#50926729)

    that archive extraction and file-copying is still extremely sluggish, and that Windows in general spends an enormous amount of time grinding on the harddrive for no apparent reason other than being able to show you the desktop. Did you know that Windows' internal copy-buffer is so tiny that if you have a mechanical drive, 2/3 of the time it takes to copy a file is spent flipping the drive-head back and forth? One-hundred thousand employees, and collectively they can't figure out how to fix this. (you fix it by increasing the copy-buffer)

  • by someone1234 ( 830754 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:43PM (#50926831)

    >Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet? What was your experience?
    I've been sofar successfully fought back Microsoft's insistence on breaking my working Win 7 setup. I know someone who was less lucky.

    • by The Real Dr John ( 716876 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:52PM (#50926927) Homepage

      Just had another Windows 7 machine here pop up with the start menu indicator that an update was going to install on shutdown. Checked, and it was Windows 10 upgrade, which I have shut off twice previously on that same machine. Now I am on "notify me, but do not download or install" on all Windows 7 machines. Still it seems to sneak through occasionally. So no more optional updates ever. Now it is security only. And even then I have my worries that MS will try to sneak it in that way at some point. I don't want the Windows version with the ad banner and app store bolted to the start menu, reminding me of Windows 8. Not going there. My Windows 7 Ultimate copy is paid for, and so far ad and Metro free (and Cortana too).

  • Heh heh update (Score:1, Insightful)

    by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:58PM (#50926995)

    > Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet?

    Windows 10 is more of a downdate.

    On the bright side, Microsoft is now claiming that the present-from-launch "disable telemetry" option for Enterprise, not present on anything you or I can buy with dollars, will actually disable telemetry. Previously, disable telemetry did not disable telemetry, only scripts from Russians disabled telemetry. Perhaps now it actually will- though, as always, I'd suggest you use wireshark on an intermediate device to be sure- after all, previously disable telemetry continued to send telemetry.

    Spying continues unabated on home and pro- enterprise is corporate only. Corporations can now get some privacy. It would be madness to extend that to individuals, I guess.

  • by cfalcon ( 779563 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:05PM (#50927051)

    > a major update to Windows 10 called the Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2
    > Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2

    Get your "FU NUT 2" today!

  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:17PM (#50927125)

    When will it hit WSUS?

  • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:22PM (#50927167) Journal

    Staggering update. Just staggering. I saw so m... wait, I'm still on Windows 7. Never mind.

  • by TheDarkMaster ( 1292526 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:27PM (#50927203)
    I have Windows 10 on a VM for testing, and after the last updates it now do not accept my password as valid. Fail
  • by Rainwulf ( 865585 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:38PM (#50927281)

    Please enable it! Please keep sending us all your activity so you can be more secure!

    What?

  • Just wondering..... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by LVSlushdat ( 854194 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @09:14PM (#50927473)

    I wonder what items I've turned OFF that will *magically* get turned back ON by this.... hmmmm, MS?? Sooooo glad I don't use Windows as a daily use system any longer. I "upgraded" the OEM Windows 7 that came with my laptop over to Windows 10, just to get familiar with it, as I'm kinda the neighborhood tech support, and wouldn't want to look all derpy when neighbor with Windows 10 comes knocking on my door for assistance....

  • by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) * on Friday November 13, 2015 @10:09PM (#50927813) Journal

    The season is called autumn.

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @12:37AM (#50928391)

    ... in a tacit admission that it is time to stop feeding the trolls.

    Like that would ever happen.

    I would argue that telemetry is the only way to get objective, meaningful, data about how well an operating system succeeds or fails in meeting the needs of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of non-technical end-users.

  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @12:37AM (#50928395) Homepage

    On one computer I upgraded, the two external monitors turned themselves off in the middle of the install, and wouldn't come back on. Only the laptop's own monitor continued to work. Worse, the ethernet driver failed to work. Reinstalling the drivers did restore network and displays, but it had me pretty concerned for a while.

  • by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @12:41AM (#50928419) Homepage

    On home versions, if you want to use Cortana, it replaces your desktop user name with your Microsoft account. On pro versions, it works as you would expect, you log in to Windows with your domain account, and Cortana separately keeps track of your Microsoft account. Sorry, I'm not switching my local login to be my Microsoft account!

    There were rumors that Microsoft was working on a patch to fix this, but apparently that is not in SP1. (Oh, wait, it's not called SP1!)

  • by kheldan ( 1460303 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @03:24AM (#50928839) Journal
    ..than install Windows 10 on anything for any reason. They can shove their so-called 'OS' and their updates up their collective ass.
  • by Guspaz ( 556486 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @03:47AM (#50928915)

    My experience is that I let Windows install some updates and it took an hour and a half (on a modern SSD-backed system)... and it changed all my file type assignments. Every single file type that is supported by a Microsoft program was replaced with the Microsoft program. HTML files were changed from Chrome to Edge, TXT files changed from Notepad++ to notepad.exe, PDF files changed from Acrobat to Edge, all image files changed from Photoshop to Windows Photo Viewer, and so on. I was not amused.

  • by tannhaus ( 152710 ) on Sunday November 15, 2015 @11:53AM (#50934715) Homepage Journal

    I like Windows 10. It's the Windows that finally made me switch from Linux. 8 was a travesty. 8.1 was barely better. Windows 10 made a good desktop which didn't make you wonder if you were supposed to be on a tablet. I have a new i5-6500 with my OS on a SSD, so it took about 10-20 minutes to download and upgrade. It seems to boot faster, but honestly, if I didn't have a list of things that had changed, I wouldn't have noticed it. It didn't change my app associations, didn't mess with my OpenSuse Leap dual boot... things go on as before.

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