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Microsoft Rolls Out Major Fall Update To Windows 10 (windows10update.com) 181

Ammalgam writes: Microsoft has rolled out a major update to Windows 10 called the Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2. The update is now publicly available for everyone to download. Microsoft has confirmed it will be a staggered release. This update is full of fixes and refinements to Windows 10 including substantial changes to Edge, Cortana, icons, the Start Menu, Activation and multiple enterprise features. Here is a full list of changes. Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet? What was your experience?
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Microsoft Rolls Out Major Fall Update To Windows 10

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:15PM (#50926529)

    I may need glasses, or see someone who can help with Freudian slips.

    • Re:Major Fail Update (Score:4, Interesting)

      by luvirini ( 753157 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:39PM (#50927291)

      The fully things is.. I read the exactly same thing.

      I think it is a perception issue, with windows 10 being a major fail overall, the cognitive process made that association.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Who wants to bet that this will turn all the spy stuff back on?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      But the spyware is there to improve your experience and to share your data with Microsoft's premium partners, why are you being so sarcastic?

    • I made system images and upgraded four machines using the Media Creation Tool. None of the spy stuff, which was all turned off except for the Basic telemetry setting which is close to XP's "Windows Error Reporting". turned back on. However, Edge replaced Foxit Reader as the default PDF reader. That's some good planning Microsoft, Replacing a reliable PDF reader with a weak browser. I changed the default back to Foxit.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Just getting that out of the way, yw.

  • by ITRambo ( 1467509 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:18PM (#50926563)
    I used the Media Creation Tool to get it right away. Download the tool, run it and select Upgrade Now. Went flawlessly on our two laptops. The upgrade did change our default PDF reader back to Edge, which I changed back to Foxit Reader. The options to add color to the title bar is off by default. You can click on Personalization and then Color to change the setting. White title bars suck. Mail client, which is improved, is now called Outlook when it's opened. That seems like an odd choice since Outlook is a full fledged desktop app. Never doubt the capability of Microsoft to confuse. The Media Creation Tool download link is: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink... [microsoft.com]
    • by klui ( 457783 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @02:28AM (#50928711)

      Or download the ISOs directly using https://www.microsoft.com/en-u... [microsoft.com]

      • Just a clarification: The Media Creation Tool is somewhat misleadingly named. It's actually a generic upgrade tool that has the capability to create installation media but is actually more often used for straight, in place, upgrades (the type where the operating system updates, but your files are still there, your applications are still installed, your device drivers are either upgraded or left alone, the registry is patched not recreated, etc.)

        So yeah, you can download the ISOs directly, but you're more

        • by klui ( 457783 )

          Most of the time all I want are the ISOs. With Threshold 2's ability to accept Windows 7/8 keys make the in-place upgrade unnecessary, and superfluous. I really don't want the Media Creation Tool to put crap in C:\$WINDOWS.~BT and C:\$Windows.~WS even if I told it to just download the ISO.

          The only benefit of using the creation tool is if I wanted to have an x86+x64 FAT ISO. Or Windows Update fails in a way which causes the upgrade to stop showing up, and one is forced to upgrade in-place.

    • Mail client, which is improved, is now called Outlook when it's opened. That seems like an odd choice since Outlook is a full fledged desktop app. Never doubt the capability of Microsoft to confuse.

      That's just consistent with their move in creating duplicate everythings. An OS that ships with 2 browsers with different names, and when you run office now has 2 email clients with the same name, clearly playing catchup with the default case of having 2 versions of OneNote with the same name.

      My favourite one is that the Onenote app can be run without unlocking the device, the desktop version can not which is very annoying.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13, 2015 @07:19PM (#50926571)

    Hey Microsoft, I do not want it. Quit forcing it on me. I have recommended updates enabled because they contain fixes for windows usually that aren't security related.

    If you don't want it ever prompting you, download and run gwx control panel. Great program that completely removes windows 10 from ever being installed, removes the download of it if it is there, and even stops prompting you to install it.

    http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/2015/08/using-gwx-stopper-to-permanently-remove.html

    This is what MS should have provided in the first place.

    • Thank you for that, from the bottom of my heart!

    • Hopefully next year when the "free upgrade" period ends, they'll leave us Windows 7 and 8.x users alone.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by hairyfeet ( 841228 )

        You honestly think they are gonna end the "free" upgrade? What I find funny as hell personally is they could have already reached their 1 billion goal if they simply allowed the pirates to become legit Win 10 users, did they do that? Nope it allows them to install then nags the fuck out of them for money until they roll back to their working pirate edition LOL!

        What is even more sad is this Win 10 bullshit is making legit users go pirate as I've had several customers come in with the pirate version of Win 7

        • Steve copied Apple, Satya is copying Google. Who else do you think Microsoft should be copying?
        • Also, since the Chinese can penetrate our computers and get the records of government bureaucrats right up to penetrating people at the State Department level, does HIPPA or SOX make any more sense? Since they'll get that info anyway
          • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

            Just because one place got owned doesn't mean all did, or do. The fact that China has state level hackers who score coups from time to time doesn't mean that they always get what they want, nor does it mean that we should bend over for less powerful adversaries.

        • I never thought this day would come but now I'm, I swear to God, actually RECOMMENDING Windows 8, because at least with 8 you can kill the telemetry and with Classic Shell you can make it into Win 7...THAT is what you've done MSFT, you have made an OS soooo damned shitty it makes Win 8 a recommendation.....ARGH!

          Scary but true. I use Window Blinds and Start8 rather than Classic Shell, but same thing, they've actually made an OS so godawful that it makes Win8 (with mods) seem good in comparison.

        • In Windows XP days too it was easier already to install the warez edition over a legit one so you 1. get rid of OEM crapware and 2. have a more sensible partition scheme. 3. recovery CD/DVD are not shipped with the laptop or desktop. Blank media is expensive when the price includes a tax to the local RIAA equivalent.

    • I don't mind the updates themselves per se: my biggest problem is the forced reset every 24 hrs. I do not have my laptop always plugged in, and sometimes, I have it on sleep mode w/ certain work apps on. Last thing I want it to do is reset itself after an update w/o my permission. But it does it anyway, and in the process, I lose data that was there associated w/ the open app.
      • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

        If you set your connection to metered, I think. it won't download the updates, or something. I think this only works if you wifi to your router.

        Failing that, there's script workarounds and if you have Pro you can use some group policy editor to disable them.

        Then you can grab the updates when you want to.

        Windows 10 is still all manner of spying on you, but if you browse this board and use Windows 10, you are fine with all that I assume.

        • What if you wired-ethernet to a router or proxy that uses a 4G or satellite connection? Or use a VM? In principle you ought to be able to declare any connection as a metered one.

          • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

            That's your takeaway? How about "you ought to be able to turn off automatic download, installation, and checking, as you can in Windows 7 and all the real OSes"?

            Who cares that their "metered connection" setting is fucked. Of course it is fucked. The whole thing is fucked.

    • Thanks for that link, I'd been manually scraping the Win10 crapware dropper out of various systems using a cheat sheet of notes, but it's much easier just using an app to do it all for you.
  • "Disable telemetry. As promised, the November update includes the ability for enterprise IT to disable telemetry feedback to Microsoft. âoeWe strongly recommend against this, as this data helps us deliver a secure, reliable, and more delightful personalized experience,â Microsoft explains."

    Does this mean the disable telemetry group policy settings can now apply that setting to Pro? (Like the majority we get our PCs with OEM Windows and then join them to the domains.)

    Or is this still restricted only to the actual Windows 10 enterprise SKU?

    If the former... awesome news... if the latter? WTF... I thought the enterprise sku already had the option to disable telemetry?!!

    • Re:Disable Telemtry (Score:5, Informative)

      by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @05:28AM (#50929127)

      Note that Disable Telemetry, at least on the non-business editions, doesn't actually disable telemetry, just some of it. To actually get rid of it all, open Task Scheduler, go to Microsoft > Windows > Application Experience and delete the AITAgent, Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser (that's for Win7/Win8), and ProgramDataUpdater tasks, and then in Customer Experience Improvement Program, delete all entries. That seems to take care of things at the moment but then keep an eye out for further spyware that'll be added in future critical Windows updates.

      There's also a list of several dozen phone-home domains you can block at your router floating around, but that only helps if you're sitting behind your own router that you've set up for blocking.

      • To actually get rid of it all...

        ...and make sure that it never ever comes back, reformat your hard disk and install Linux instead. It's the only way to be sure.
  • I have a test laptop set up with Win10 and triggered the upgrade/update through Windows Update. The entire process took longer than I expected - possibly almost as long as the original Win10 install. The system can be used during the initial stages (download and some file updates) but then it reboots and you're at the black screen with a big white progress circle for quite a while.

    I was working on other things, but it feels to me like it probably took more than an hour to complete, though I think it was lik
    • by squiggleslash ( 241428 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @12:30AM (#50928351) Homepage Journal

      Same here. The really annoying part came after logging in and being greeted with what looked like a full screen ad to tell you the system had been updated, but was actually the installer continuing to run (which meant no end of hitting Escape, Space, Ctrl-Alt-Del, and so on until after two or three minutes it finally admitted the installer was still running.

      Thus far, on my test laptop, I can't really comment. Things look mostly the same, some minor style changes aside. CPU usage seems dramatically lower (it was pretty much permanently 99% previously on this old X-series Thinkpad with just Mail and Firefox open, now it's generally under 20%, but until I've used it for a few days I really don't want to assume this means they've fixed those problems.)

    • That's funny that you say it took longer than you expected. When I was upgrading an old laptop to windows 10, it displays friendly messages like "We're setting up your system", "This won't take long". Then after that, it displayed "Ok, this is taking longer than we expected". That cracked me up!
      • by TopherC ( 412335 )

        It said something like "Don't worry, your files are exactly where you left them."

        I started to worry a lot when I saw this. Either MS was being fantastically condescending, or someone had hacked into my network and was encrypting my filesystem. It was taking a long time, so I was leaning toward the latter possibility. I expected the next message to be a ransom notice and I was reminding myself of how to restore from backups, how long it would take, and what I might lose. I finally thought to google the messa

  • by Anonymous Coward

    that archive extraction and file-copying is still extremely sluggish, and that Windows in general spends an enormous amount of time grinding on the harddrive for no apparent reason other than being able to show you the desktop. Did you know that Windows' internal copy-buffer is so tiny that if you have a mechanical drive, 2/3 of the time it takes to copy a file is spent flipping the drive-head back and forth? One-hundred thousand employees, and collectively they can't figure out how to fix this. (you fix

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Don't blame the buffering, it just takes some time to send the files to MS service as part of their telemetry data collection scheme. How did you think MS financed the free upgrade to Win 10?

  • >Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet? What was your experience?
    I've been sofar successfully fought back Microsoft's insistence on breaking my working Win 7 setup. I know someone who was less lucky.

    • Just had another Windows 7 machine here pop up with the start menu indicator that an update was going to install on shutdown. Checked, and it was Windows 10 upgrade, which I have shut off twice previously on that same machine. Now I am on "notify me, but do not download or install" on all Windows 7 machines. Still it seems to sneak through occasionally. So no more optional updates ever. Now it is security only. And even then I have my worries that MS will try to sneak it in that way at some point. I don't w

      • by jonwil ( 467024 )

        http://blog.ultimateoutsider.c... [ultimateoutsider.com] seems to be a good way to stop the update from installing by mistake whilst still allowing you to have Windows Update set to "automatically install everything"
        Saying no to kb3035583 (and setting it to "hide this and dont install it") also helps stop Windows 10 from being installed.

        • That one I hid right away back when it first popped up. This was one of the other later ones from sometime in October. Uninstalled all the recent optional updates (last 5 weeks), and finally got rid of it. Very disturbing practice. A complete change in OS with major changes in the EULA do not seem like an update.

  • Heh heh update (Score:1, Insightful)

    by cfalcon ( 779563 )

    > Have you updated your Windows 10 install yet?

    Windows 10 is more of a downdate.

    On the bright side, Microsoft is now claiming that the present-from-launch "disable telemetry" option for Enterprise, not present on anything you or I can buy with dollars, will actually disable telemetry. Previously, disable telemetry did not disable telemetry, only scripts from Russians disabled telemetry. Perhaps now it actually will- though, as always, I'd suggest you use wireshark on an intermediate device to be sure-

  • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

    > a major update to Windows 10 called the Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2
    > Fall Update, November Update or Threshold 2

    Get your "FU NUT 2" today!

  • When will it hit WSUS?

  • by roc97007 ( 608802 ) on Friday November 13, 2015 @08:22PM (#50927167) Journal

    Staggering update. Just staggering. I saw so m... wait, I'm still on Windows 7. Never mind.

    • It'll come to you too. So far they've only pretended to force you to "upgrade". :P

      • It'll come to you too. So far they've only pretended to force you to "upgrade". :P

        That may be true. By then there may be enough "staggering updates", and inevitable fixes-to-fixes that it'll be in some way usable.

  • I have Windows 10 on a VM for testing, and after the last updates it now do not accept my password as valid. Fail
  • Please enable it! Please keep sending us all your activity so you can be more secure!

    What?

  • Just wondering..... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by LVSlushdat ( 854194 )

    I wonder what items I've turned OFF that will *magically* get turned back ON by this.... hmmmm, MS?? Sooooo glad I don't use Windows as a daily use system any longer. I "upgraded" the OEM Windows 7 that came with my laptop over to Windows 10, just to get familiar with it, as I'm kinda the neighborhood tech support, and wouldn't want to look all derpy when neighbor with Windows 10 comes knocking on my door for assistance....

  • by AbRASiON ( 589899 ) * on Friday November 13, 2015 @10:09PM (#50927813) Journal

    The season is called autumn.

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @12:37AM (#50928391)

    ... in a tacit admission that it is time to stop feeding the trolls.

    Like that would ever happen.

    I would argue that telemetry is the only way to get objective, meaningful, data about how well an operating system succeeds or fails in meeting the needs of hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of non-technical end-users.

    • Its not useful feedback if you cherry pick only the things you want to see or worse, use it to work out how to discourage use of the things you want to kill.

      Left it on for the insider programme and they still went ahead with all that shit i never used but never fixed the stuff i did use. If telemetry was being used to improve win10 they'd have bought Classic Shell and built it into the os.

    • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

      > I would argue that telemetry is the only way to get objective, meaningful, data about

      Don't care. My computer, my rules.

      The problem isn't that they have telemetry. Honestly, the problem isn't even that it's on by default.

      The problem is that you can't turn it off. That's massive and ludicrous.

    • I would agree with you. And a large percentage of user would agree to provide telemetry if it were really opt-in and they were sure that the data were properly anonymized. (i.e. it could be audited by an ordinary person) However, *force* telemetry is quite another issue. The very fact that it is forced implies that there isn't a benefit to the user (otherwise why not explain the benefit and make it optional) and so the negative knee-jerk reaction to want to disable it is the correct one. When tools (li
      • Exactly! I wouldn't be so pissed off at Microsoft if they made all this shit optional, but making it mandatory I feel pushed around by a bully and also that they get so valuable from that that they can't allow users to disable it.
        If they made all the things I dislike about Win 10 optional I wouldn't care they were offered, I might even use some of them
    • Then give technical users an option to turn it of.

    • Economics implies that they will heartily ignore the needs of the millions in favor of the billions, anyway. Extremely detailed information isn't much use when your market share is this large.

      Remember, the ultimate end result after a decade of telemetry was... Windows 8.

  • On one computer I upgraded, the two external monitors turned themselves off in the middle of the install, and wouldn't come back on. Only the laptop's own monitor continued to work. Worse, the ethernet driver failed to work. Reinstalling the drivers did restore network and displays, but it had me pretty concerned for a while.

  • On home versions, if you want to use Cortana, it replaces your desktop user name with your Microsoft account. On pro versions, it works as you would expect, you log in to Windows with your domain account, and Cortana separately keeps track of your Microsoft account. Sorry, I'm not switching my local login to be my Microsoft account!

    There were rumors that Microsoft was working on a patch to fix this, but apparently that is not in SP1. (Oh, wait, it's not called SP1!)

  • ..than install Windows 10 on anything for any reason. They can shove their so-called 'OS' and their updates up their collective ass.
    • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

      Seconded. I've turned off updates because I've lost all trust in Microsoft not to install telemetry to windows 7 or other shenanigans. I'd rather risk a virus (small risk IMO).

  • by Guspaz ( 556486 ) on Saturday November 14, 2015 @03:47AM (#50928915)

    My experience is that I let Windows install some updates and it took an hour and a half (on a modern SSD-backed system)... and it changed all my file type assignments. Every single file type that is supported by a Microsoft program was replaced with the Microsoft program. HTML files were changed from Chrome to Edge, TXT files changed from Notepad++ to notepad.exe, PDF files changed from Acrobat to Edge, all image files changed from Photoshop to Windows Photo Viewer, and so on. I was not amused.

  • I like Windows 10. It's the Windows that finally made me switch from Linux. 8 was a travesty. 8.1 was barely better. Windows 10 made a good desktop which didn't make you wonder if you were supposed to be on a tablet. I have a new i5-6500 with my OS on a SSD, so it took about 10-20 minutes to download and upgrade. It seems to boot faster, but honestly, if I didn't have a list of things that had changed, I wouldn't have noticed it. It didn't change my app associations, didn't mess with my OpenSuse Leap dual b

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